another anti gun business

the ringo kid · #51 02-22-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheeler57

I guess I am not clear which legally sanctioned activities they are allowed ban in their businesses.
Parking you car in their lot? A hairdressor carrying their scissors? A tatooist having needles in their pocket? These activities require licenses.
Wearing a hoodie? Carrying a comb? Talking on a cell phone? Everybody has pet peeves they don't like but if businesses come up with a policy banning them I am sure litigation would ensue.
Are police included? Their policy says ANYONE.
How is it that carrying a gun legally is an activity that can be banned with no legal repercussion?

here no--LEOs are not included on those policies.It would be like asking someone to show up to a gunfight--armed with a barbie doll.

shawn mccarver · #52 02-22-2015, 04:52 PM

If one feels he must shop at one of these emporiums for cheap Chinese or other non-American goods, why not just ignore the signs? I mean do you really think that folks who cannot count change back without the assistance of a computer cash register are saavy enough to spot a properly concealed weapon?

okiegtrider · #53 02-22-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shawn mccarver

If one feels he must shop at one of these emporiums for cheap Chinese or other non-American goods, why not just ignore the signs? I mean do you really think that folks who cannot count change back without the assistance of a computer cash register are saavy enough to spot a properly concealed weapon?

I'm guessing they somehow spotted the OP's

swar45 · #54 02-22-2015, 06:00 PM

I just ran up the my local family dollar just to see. Sure enough they had a sign. A gun with a circle through it like you see with the no smoking signs. About the size of a 50 cent piece. Never shopped there before really. Definitely won't now

loknload · #55 02-22-2015, 06:25 PM

You know it's funny but I never see those stupid little signs?

I guess that must be because I'm not looking for them!

I know where I can't legally carry and don't, a Dollar Store? I'm not going to concern myself.
For some reason if my concealed weapon becomes unconcealed, all they can do is ask me to leave! But then again since I do not frequent that kind of store or business I'm not concerned.

Remember concealed carry: Don't ask , Don't Tell!.

samuelrp · #56 02-22-2015, 09:55 PM

I have never seen a sign at family dollar and may have broken their policy. Buy their trash bags when cleaning out the basement.

SMSgt · #57 02-22-2015, 11:36 PM

"Family Dollar will comply with all Federal, State & Local laws, where applicable."

Well bless their hearts. But their policy means next to nothing in FL.

one eye joe · #58 02-23-2015, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkin' Jack

I ordered a bunch of these double sided card on line about 10 years ago. In the rare occasion when I encounter a place that doesn't welcome my CCW I grace them with one of these. I have tried to order more but that outfit went away years ago.

THAT IS FANTASTIC, Walkin' Jack ! ! ! I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE UP FOR MY STATE, CITING THE LITANY OF HOOPS ONE MUST JUMP THROUGH TO OBTAIN A PERMIT…...

Hang-Fire Hank · #59 02-23-2015, 04:04 AM

Referring only to private enterprise businesses, I coincidentally asked a high ranking LEO here in AZ three days ago whether I'd be breaking the law as soon as I entered or whether it was only if I'd been told to leave and refused. He said as soon as I entered. I'm also going to consult with a gun rights lawyer I know.

I'm not satisfied with many of my friend's approach to just stating "I never see those signs". Fact is, even if a misdemeanor, I just don't want to break the law.

Hank

Watchdog · #60 02-23-2015, 10:08 AM

Another horse is dead.

TexasArmed · #61 02-23-2015, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by swar45

I just ran up the my local family dollar just to see. Sure enough they had a sign. A gun with a circle through it like you see with the no smoking signs. About the size of a 50 cent piece. Never shopped there before really. Definitely won't now

This is another reason I like living in Texas where our law is
crystal clear. The enforceable sign is a 30.06 sign or a 51% sign. Gun buster signs do not apply to concealed handgun license holders. Businesses are not stupid. If they want to
prevent those with a CHL from carrying there, they will post a
legal sign. The sign must meet the State requirement, 1 & 1/2
inches high, English and Spanish, and posted on every entrance.
So posting a small gun buster sign, won't do.

I seem to recall an incident at a dollar store, not sure which one
it was close to where I live, and I heard it on a police scanner.
Speaking with a law enforcement friend I learned later what
happened. Someone was in the dollar store, bent over, and
somehow his gun was revealed to some woman who called
the police. The police arrived after being called but let the man
go because he had a valid CHL. Unintentional un-concealment
in my state is NOT a violation. I still have never seen a valid
sign where I live, except some miles away I have seen one
at one hospital, and another in a shopping mall.

I would not like living in a state where a sign could be hidden
or located on only one entrance that held the force of law.
I approve of the way this works in Texas.

hoc9sw · #62 02-23-2015, 11:52 AM

I lived in Europe for some years, and their approach to "forbidden" activity signs was something we should push for here regarding the "no guns" signs

If you wanted to post a "No Parking" or the like, you had to get a permit, pay an annual tax/fee (not inconsequential), put the sign in a prescribed position, and be listed in a public register.

Just a thought. If they want to regulate something, try that.

ChiefStealth · #63 02-23-2015, 01:01 PM

With the recent overt terrorist threat to shopping malls... did this whole firearms in businesses issue just become a lot bigger?

wheelgunguy · #64 02-23-2015, 01:22 PM

I think it has. Especially when you consider that a Somali terrorist organization with a history of attacking malls, threatens by name (Mall of America) the mall that has the most stores of any in America. It also happens to be in the metropolitan area with the largest Somali population. They have already been recruiting in the area to get people to go fight in Somalia, Iraq, and Syria. The worst part is they have a no guns policy.

I am not a mall type of guy but if I were I wouldn't go in that place on a bet. I just hope there isn't someone who takes al-Shabaab more seriously than those signs.

hoc9sw · #65 02-23-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefStealth

With the recent overt terrorist threat to shopping malls... did this whole firearms in businesses issue just become a lot bigger?

I don't think it has gotten any bigger. It has just been out of sight for the average citizen.
Visibility is changing.

AGoyette · #66 02-23-2015, 09:39 PM

I have a question.. What about the stores that say via the web that they do not allow guns, but have zero signage on the stores themselves. Like Target and Panera Bread are both anti gun, yet neither has signs posted on their stores. Unless I see a sign saying no guns, then I cc inside. My daughter used to work at Panera and while the company was anti gun, the people who ran that store, knew that I shot and had my ccw. Nothing was ever said to me about carrying. The closest was one of the managers (who is a sweetheart) said that he did not want me to get mad at him because I would use him for target practice. It was all said in jest because he knew that that would never happen.

rz625-8 · #67 02-23-2015, 11:48 PM

I do not go into these no gun places. even movie theaters. I have no problem in regards to the stores that do this. It's their insurance and [liars] lawyers that put these companies up to this nonsence. They will sht down with in a year or less because of this stuff.

Trons · #68 02-24-2015, 12:18 AM

Well, i find it interesting. I'm lucky, being in KY, all they can do is ask you to leave, but a few things I've noticed:

Local Theater with known No-Gun policy doesn't have signage. My daughters boyfriend is a manager at one of them so we get in for free. the last time we went, I noticed the lack of signage and he said it wasn't his theater so what ever. I don't carry because I'm his guest and I don't want to get him in trouble.

Local restaurant. Manager made my son carrying. Asked him to go put it in the car, which he did, but while they were walking out, mentioned there was no sign. The manager argued and he asked her to show him so they walked out together. Yep, no sign (I was still carrying). She said she was a traveling manager and this wasn't her normal store, but it was the first one she'd been to without a sign. Haven't been back to see if they managed to get a sign.

And lastly. I work for a bank. I don't work in the branches, but I noticed that the branches don't have signs. I asked a branch manager about it and he said that they do have a no gun policy, but only if they see it and he's not sure how close his tellers look. Having said that, it's against company policy, as an employee, similar to the OP's post, for me to carry on company policy and I can be fired for it, if caught. If I wasn't an employee, they'd just ask me to leave. If I wasn't at a branch they knew me at, they probably would just ask me to leave because they wouldn't know I was an employee to report me to HR.

I don't carry at the branches because it's not worth my job. I have asked HR about it because I don't work for the same corporate identity as the branches and they say it's a blanket policy. Not worth my job.

Springfeildkid585 · #69 02-24-2015, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by marinesgtjim

Thank you for contacting the Family Dollar Customer Care Feedback Team. Your feedback is important to us! Please be assured that we have reviewed your feedback and have forwarded it to the correct department. We do not allow firearms within our stores under any circumstances and the policy is provided below for your convenience. On behalf of the Corporate Office, we apologize for any misunderstanding with our policy and the inconvenience this may have caused. We appreciate your time and hope you continue to shop with Family Dollar. The Customer Care Service Center is open Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Eastern Standard Time. Feel free to call us at 1-866-377-6420 Option #4. Incident# 5011354, can be used as a reference. Thank you and have a great day!

Weapons on Company Property

No weapons of any type, including, but not limited to, firearms, knives (unless the item is a Family Dollar approved box cutter), or any other dangerous weapons or instruments designed to inflict injury or cause physical damage are allowed on Company premises, property or in Company vehicles.

This applies whether the weapon is on the individual's person, carried in a container or openly, or in a vehicle brought onto Company premises (where allowed by law). Furthermore, Company Team Members are prohibited from having, possessing, or otherwise controlling weapons at any time and at any place while on Company business.

This policy applies to all Company team members, visitors and contractors on Company property. Company property includes, but is not limited to, permanent, temporary or leased structures, parking lots, Company-owned or leased vehicles, and or receiving and shipping docks.

As further clarification of this rule, the prohibition against weapons applies to both visible and concealed weapons, including those weapons for which a valid permit has been obtained. Any violation of this rule is a serious offense and disciplinary action may include immediate termination of employment.

Family Dollar will comply with all Federal, State & Local laws, where applicable.

Your Customer Care Team

1-866-377-6420 option 4

Family Dollar Stores, Inc.

[email protected]

You can thank my home state for that "where allowed by law" section.

the ringo kid · #70 02-24-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelgunguy

I think it has. Especially when you consider that a Somali terrorist organization with a history of attacking malls, threatens by name (Mall of America) the mall that has the most stores of any in America. It also happens to be in the metropolitan area with the largest Somali population. They have already been recruiting in the area to get people to go fight in Somalia, Iraq, and Syria. The worst part is they have a no guns policy.

I am not a mall type of guy but if I were I wouldn't go in that place on a bet. I just hope there isn't someone who takes al-Shabaab more seriously than those signs.

What gets me is--the authorities already KNOW who to watch for the most part. Anyway,im not too much worried about them as in my area--some Country boys would turn them into Shis ka Bobs.

wheelgunguy · #71 02-24-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by the ringo kid

What gets me is--the authorities already KNOW who to watch for the most part. Anyway,im not too much worried about them as in my area--some Country boys would turn them into Shis ka Bobs.

I live in Columbus which has one of the largest Somali populations in the U.S. Which is why I take special notice of such things. I know going into a gun free zone or as I like to call it a criminal safe zone or how they may look at it a target rich environment is something that should be avoided now even more than ever in this neck of the woods.

the ringo kid · #72 02-24-2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelgunguy

I live in Columbus which has one of the largest Somali populations in the U.S. Which is why I take special notice of such things. I know going into a gun free zone or as I like to call it a criminal safe zone or how they may look at it a target rich environment is something that should be avoided now even more than ever in this neck of the woods.

I think my point was missed.

Im just saying they try it down my way? they would not like the reaction they would get.

bopilar · #73 02-24-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by da gimp

Here in Missouri, a business can ban carrying CCW or open carry by customers by posting the state mandated signs & they do have force of law............ If the employees of the business call your bluff & call the police, you will be arrested for CCW or open carry in an area which is posted to be banned. You can & probably will lose your CCW permit here in our county..... you just might lose the firearm involved too & rack up some sizeable legal fees.......... none of which will impress your wife if you are married.

Added: Me, I'd turn around & refuse to patronize any business here that posts those signs..... & urge my family & friends to do the same.............

Not trying to start an argument here, but If I remember from my MO CCW course, if the premises are posted and you go onto them the owner may ask to you leave. If you do not and the police are called you can be charged with trespass. If you refuse to leave once the police are involved I would guess there would be more problems. I would hazard a guess that your permit (and your community standing) would be called into question with possible revocation.

litenlarry · #74 02-25-2015, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bopilar

Not trying to start an argument here, but If I remember from my MO CCW course, if the premises are posted and you go onto them the owner may ask to you leave. If you do not and the police are called you can be charged with trespass. If you refuse to leave once the police are involved I would guess there would be more problems. I would hazard a guess that your permit (and your community standing) would be called into question with possible revocation.

I posted the entire MO statute earlier.. Here it is again..
Chapter 571 RSMO
Basically if you are outed and asked to leave and you refuse, police are called, there are ramifications..If a business owner asks anyone to leave and they refuse, police called, Trespassing citation and removal from the premises..

snowman · #75 02-25-2015, 09:12 AM

Out of curiosity I drove past the local Family Dollar yesterday. The doors are close enough to one's vehicle while driving by to clearly see all the posted notices. I looked carefully, and there is NO sign prohibiting firearms -guess someone overlooked this particular store. I'll take it.

Incidentally, there ARE a few products in these stores that are worth a visit. Not long ago I found, in the area Dollar General stores, what I couldn't find elsewhere and what I regard as one of the best consumer products devised in recent years -heavy plastic coat/clothing hangers. These are so vastly superior to the old metal ones that I'm steadily converting my entire supply to them. Do the Dollar General stores here prohibit carry? I don't know -haven't looked.

Regards,
Andy

AGoyette · #76 02-25-2015, 07:40 PM

I have found lots of things to embroider at a local Dollar Tree. They might not be sewn the best, but I usually open the seams to embroider on them anyway. So in the end they are always put together better than they started out as. If I don't see a sign, I figure I am good to go.