Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet

Rastoff · #**701** 06-08-2018, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Joe Clark

Well Rastoff, I finally did this again.
Leon

No joke Leon, that's some good shooting with the Shield. I have a 9mm Shield so, I know it's not a bullseye gun. I will have to try this with mine and see how I do.

RobzGuns · #**702** 06-11-2018, 01:57 PM

Here's today's target, using my 26.
5 shots each at 3yds, 5yds, 7yds and 10yds.
5.5" target, the inner rings are at 2" and 4".

Rastoff · #**703** 06-11-2018, 06:46 PM

See, what RobzGuns has done is really in the spirit of this challenge. He didn't use the "official" target, but so what? His result probably won't fit inside the B-27 X ring, but it's very close.

This is what this thread is all about. It's getting out and shooting. Doing some real practice and pushing yourself to get ever better with the gun, any gun, you'll carry.

RobzGuns · #**704** 11-19-2018, 07:21 PM

Just picked up a Gen4 G19 with factory night sights and figured I'd try the challenge with a brand new pistol.
I picked a Gen4 as it has the adjustable back-straps, so my finger finds the trigger's 'sweet spot' every time.

Anyway, here it is, with only a quick clean/inspect and added back-strap.

Rastoff · #**705** 11-21-2018, 12:54 AM

Pretty good considering it's a new gun.

Ole Joe Clark · #**706** 11-21-2018, 09:27 AM

Happy Thanksgiving Rastoff! Did you ever shoot the "challenge" with your Shield?

Have a blessed day,

Leon

Rastoff · #**707** 11-21-2018, 08:22 PM

No, I haven't done it with the Shield yet. Hmmm...maybe Friday...

V0OBWxZS16 · #**708** 01-05-2019, 09:07 PM

It's been awhile since I tried this.

My M&P22c doesn't like the bulk pack ammo I have.

V0OBWxZS16 · #**709** 01-05-2019, 09:10 PM

Two attempts with my brother's new M&P9 M2.0 Threaded Barrel. The first target is my first twenty rounds from that pistol.

The other two are from my BG380. There wasn't anyone shooting in the next lane to blame that flyer on.

Rastoff · #**710** 01-05-2019, 09:29 PM

Nice shooting V0OBWxZS16.

And just for the record, I tried this with my Shield 9mm a couple weeks ago. I did OK, but didn't pass. All were in the 10 ring.

Ole Joe Clark · #**711** 01-08-2019, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rastoff

Nice shooting V0OBWxZS16.

And just for the record, I tried this with my Shield 9mm a couple weeks ago. I did OK, but didn't pass. All were in the 10 ring.

Pictures or it didn't happen. :-)

Just kidding!

Have a blessed day,

Leon

Rastoff · #**712** 01-09-2019, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Joe Clark

Pictures or it didn't happen. :-)

Yeah, I didn't take pics of that one. Maybe I'll try it again this weekend.

TazTJ · #**713** 01-30-2019, 12:00 PM

I gotta try this again! I got some new toys recently!

Rastoff · #**714** 01-30-2019, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TazTJ

I gotta try this again! I got some new toys recently!

I'm looking forward to your results.

Bob L · #**715** 02-16-2019, 05:32 PM

Rastoff, Love your challenges and try one or another every time I head to the range. Here is todays target using my Model 1905, 4th change, shot DA. Getting closer but still no cigar. Next time!!

Chief Wiggums · #**716** 02-17-2019, 12:04 PM

Where has this thread been all of my life!
outstanding example of why this forum is the bomb dot com.......

I will post on thurs of this coming week.
have a great week folks !

V0OBWxZS16 · #**717** 06-30-2019, 05:17 AM

This thread needs a bump with a few more of my failures.

Rastoff · #**718** 06-30-2019, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by V0OBWxZS16

This thread needs a bump with a few more of my failures.

Not "failures" just more attempts that didn't quite meet your expectations.

Do you know why that one shot was in the white in pic 4? That is far more valuable information than a fully successful target.

Regardless, this is 4 examples of some really good shooting. I wish everyone could shoot like this.

For the record, I have done this several times myself in the past couple of months; none succeeded.

V0OBWxZS16 · #**719** 06-30-2019, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rastoff

Do you know why that one shot was in the white in pic 4? That is far more valuable information than a fully successful target.

Unfortunately, I don't know. There was no one shooting close enough to blame. I was shooting too fast that day, particularly on the close ranges, and may have let one fly while recovering from recoil, but I don't recall doing so.

TazTJ · #**720** 08-05-2019, 02:29 PM

Took some 45's out for some range time today. Used my Shield 45 for the challenge today. Target got ripped out because there wasn't anything behind it in the middle. Gun is hitting to the right a touch. So close!

Bob L · #**721** 01-12-2020, 05:46 PM

I made it out to the range today and ever since I first read about Rastoff's challenge, I have been running the course trying to meet the challenge. It seems like I always end up throwing a round of from the ten yard line. Well, today was the day. Starting from the ten yard line, put six in the center and moved up to the seven, five and three, shooting 6 from each distance double action with my 586. Ended up with the 24 shots in a 2.75 x 1.75 group. Fantastic feeling! Now I want to do it a few more times then moving on to the next four Rastoff's challenges. Made for a great day and a nice way to start the new year.

shocker · #**722** 01-12-2020, 06:08 PM

This is just one of those stories....
I put a laser on my 12 gauge shockwave and "zeroed" it at 30 ft with bird shot. I was going to pack up and leave, when I decided what the heck I'll shoot a slug out of this thing just to see what the recoil is like. So. I put the green dot on the bullseye and hip shooting I drilled a 3/4" hole in the 1" red circle. Packed up and went home. Saved the target of course.

mikerjf · #**723** 01-12-2020, 06:24 PM

I just found this last year and give it a try every now and then. Actually cleaned up on the close-in shots with my high std derringer. 10 yards, forget it,

CB3 · #**724** 01-12-2020, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob L

I made it out to the range today and ever since I first read about Rastoff's challenge, I have been running the course trying to meet the challenge. It seems like I always end up throwing a round of from the ten yard line. Well, today was the day. Starting from the ten yard line, put six in the center and moved up to the seven, five and three, shooting 6 from each distance double action with my 586. Ended up with the 24 shots in a 2.75 x 1.75 group. Fantastic feeling! Now I want to do it a few more times then moving on to the next four Rastoff's challenges. Made for a great day and a nice way to start the new year.

I have thought of doing the challenge backward also (far to near) but figured Rastoff's challenge is set up near to far for a reason--its harder.

Either way, that's some good shooting.

Rastoff · #**725** 01-12-2020, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob L

I made it out to the range today and ever since I first read about Rastoff's challenge, I have been running the course trying to meet the challenge.

I'm really glad you've enjoyed the challenge and tried it several times.

However...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob L

Starting from the ten yard line,...

You went backward and as CB3 said, it doesn't meet the criteria.

Even so, don't take this the wrong way. Shooting the group you did puts you in rare company. You're a great shot. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Bob L · #**726** 01-12-2020, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rastoff

I'm really glad you've enjoyed the challenge and tried it several times.

However...You went backward and as CB3 said, it doesn't meet the criteria.

Even so, don't take this the wrong way. Shooting the group you did puts you in rare company. You're a great shot. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I absolutely won't take it the wrong way, it just give me an additional challenge to do it the right way seeing how now I know that I can do it. Thanks for the encouragement. To quote Arnie, "I'll be back".

Bob L · #**727** 01-12-2020, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CB3

I have thought of doing the challenge backward also (far to near) but figured Rastoff's challenge is set up near to far for a reason--its harder.

Either way, that's some good shooting.

Thanks CB3! I guess that I did not pay enough attention to the order of the Challenge as I have run it both way so now back to the range and run it the right way.

Protected One · #**728** 10-31-2020, 08:34 AM

Well, I'm heading to the range today and I think I'm going to shoot this challenge again.

delcrossv · #**729** 10-31-2020, 06:14 PM

Kids (teenage daughters) having fun. Mod 1950s 45 LC and 45 ACP.

DA rapid fire @ 40'. As fast as they could squeeze them off.

Rastoff · #**730** 10-31-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by delcrossv

Kids (teenage daughters) having fun. Mod 1950s 45 LC and 45 ACP.

DA rapid fire @ 40'. As fast as they could squeeze them off.

While I love to see targets, I'm going to say they didn't succeed in the challenge, but nice try.

delcrossv · #**731** 10-31-2020, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rastoff

While I love to see targets, I'm going to say they didn't succeed in the challenge, but nice try.

Well gee, Rastoff, anyone can shoot 10 ring slow.

They did have fun though.

Rastoff · #**732** 11-06-2020, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by delcrossv

Well gee, Rastoff, anyone can shoot 10 ring slow.

They did have fun though.

I'm glad they had fun, but I think we've proven here that just anyone can't shoot the 10 ring regardless of how much time is allowed.

Even so, as important as it is to be accurate, having fun while being safe is more important.

Ole Joe Clark · #**733** 11-21-2020, 10:03 PM

For some reason I lost this thread and/or forgot about it. I need to do it again, even though I get the shakes pretty bad sometimes. I'm glad to see it's still generating some interest.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

Harley Fan · #**734** 02-06-2021, 08:59 PM

I am tickled this thread is still around and active. Over the years 2015 to 2017, I posted about 7 attempts to this, mostly with a Kimber Custom II I really liked, and this Kimber, in a V-block rest, was shown to be amazingly accurate. But all my attempts were failures, but there were some darned close ones. So much so, I have my best "failure" posted on my reloading room wall. Lots of camaraderie in this large thread. I even got a few words of praise from Taskmaster Rastoff.

I sold the Kimber years ago. But recently I bought a Magnum Research Desert Eagle MR 1911-G full size 1911. Not only was I pleased with the price, it seems to be just as accurate as the Kimber was.

By golly, I must give this original Challenge another go or two!

CB3 · #**735** 07-14-2021, 10:28 PM

Happy birthday to me!

Today I shot Rastoff’s Challenge #1 clean. This was probably my 13th attempt in the last two years. I shot it first thing upon arriving at the range, near to far, total of 20 rounds, using Fiocchi 115 grn fmj target amm in my EDC. My one errant shot (that did not break the line) was #2 @ 10 yards.

The first photo is the group at 3+5 yards; second photo is after 7 yards (16 rounds). I did go slowly, and I’m confident I can do better.

This was my first range trip after completing the four-day Front Sight Defensive Handgun course last month.

Thanks Rastoff for helping make me a better shooter on my 72 birthday!

Ole Joe Clark · #**736** 07-15-2021, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CB3

Happy birthday to me!

Today I shot Rastoff’s Challenge #1 clean. This was probably my 13th attempt in the last two years. I shot it first thing upon arriving at the range, near to far, total of 20 rounds, using Fiocchi 115 grn fmj target amm in my EDC. My one errant shot (that did not break the line) was #2 @ 10 yards.

The first photo is the group at 3+5 yards; second photo is after 7 yards (16 rounds). I did go slowly, and I’m confident I can do better.

This was my first range trip after completing the four-day Front Sight Defensive Handgun course last month.

Thanks Rastoff for helping make me a better shooter on my 72 birthday!

Great shooting!! Keep up the good work.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

Harley Fan · #**737** 09-25-2021, 07:31 AM

Nope.

I cheerfully re-join this thread 5 years later after failing to achieve a winner. This attempt wouldn't have counted anyway, as the Challenge should be attempted "cold"... this was my 3rd. target. The first was with the same Desert Eagle 1911 shown I'm breaking in, my 2nd attempt was with a Glock 22 in .40 S&W. Not proud of those two.

max503 · #**738** 09-25-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rastoff

I teach CCW (carry concealed weapon) classes. It is my goal in these classes to help people learn the law and to shoot better in defensive situations. The law in CA doesn't require a shooting component to get a CCW license. However, my local sheriff likes to see it included in the class. To qualify for the shooting portion, a student must shoot 20 shots. They must all be within the silhouette of a B-27E target like this one:

This target is enormous at 2' wide by 3' tall.

The course of fire is:

4 shots from 3 yards
6 shots from 5 yards
6 shots from 7 yards
4 shots from 10 yards

All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

The goal here is to see that the students can handle their guns safely and at least get their bullets to go in the general direction of the target. I thought this would be a very easy test. After instructing many students, I can see that this is more difficult than I thought.

Because I thought it was easy, I had never actually shot the full course. I'm a huge believer that an instructor doesn't need to be the best, but should at least be able to do what he's asking the students to do. So, today I shot the test. Here is my result:

Notice that all the shots are in the orange. There is actually a tiny bit of orange between the right line and the right most hole. So, none of my shots are even touching the line. (It was sunny, but the wind was blowing about 5-10MPH from my back.)

So, I challenge everyone here to run the same course of fire. There is a lot of talk about, "I shoot well enough to defend myself." OK, I'm calling you out. Run this course of fire and post your pics here. Can you keep all 20 shots in the orange? I don't think you can! That's right, I said it, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Here are the rules:

Any target may be used. To say you did as well as I did, all your shots must be within a 2"x3" oval. That's the size of the B-27E bullseye. So, either use a B-27E (regular B-27 would be fine) or provide proof of the size of your group.
The gun must be a gun used for self/home-defense.
The gun must be used in the same fashion it would be used for defense. So, if it is a DA/SA, the first shot at each yardage must be shot DA first and then SA for the rest. If it's a revolver it must be shot DA for every shot.
The course of fire is as above.
All shots are untimed.

This is done on your honor. If you say you did it, I'll believe you, but you must post a picture of your target. Let's keep this in the spirit of the forum. While I'm sure you can use this gun to defend yourself...

...it doesn't fit the spirit of the competition.

I used this one:

Well there it is.

I know you can't beat me, but can you even come close? PROVE IT!!! (There might be a prize involved.

)

Just saw this thread. It is unusual for a person to keep them all in the black. Here in Illinois we do the same test in our CC courses. I shoot revolver a lot. I reload with a Dillion and practice double action. All my shots went into the black when I was shooting my J frame for my class. The people in the class were so amazed they all applauded. I was a little embarrassed.

max503 · #**739** 09-25-2021, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rastoff

I teach CCW (carry concealed weapon) classes. It is my goal in these classes to help people learn the law and to shoot better in defensive situations. The law in CA doesn't require a shooting component to get a CCW license. However, my local sheriff likes to see it included in the class. To qualify for the shooting portion, a student must shoot 20 shots. They must all be within the silhouette of a B-27E target like this one:

This target is enormous at 2' wide by 3' tall.

The course of fire is:

4 shots from 3 yards
6 shots from 5 yards
6 shots from 7 yards
4 shots from 10 yards

All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

The goal here is to see that the students can handle their guns safely and at least get their bullets to go in the general direction of the target. I thought this would be a very easy test. After instructing many students, I can see that this is more difficult than I thought.

Because I thought it was easy, I had never actually shot the full course. I'm a huge believer that an instructor doesn't need to be the best, but should at least be able to do what he's asking the students to do. So, today I shot the test. Here is my result:

Notice that all the shots are in the orange. There is actually a tiny bit of orange between the right line and the right most hole. So, none of my shots are even touching the line. (It was sunny, but the wind was blowing about 5-10MPH from my back.)

So, I challenge everyone here to run the same course of fire. There is a lot of talk about, "I shoot well enough to defend myself." OK, I'm calling you out. Run this course of fire and post your pics here. Can you keep all 20 shots in the orange? I don't think you can! That's right, I said it, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Here are the rules:

Any target may be used. To say you did as well as I did, all your shots must be within a 2"x3" oval. That's the size of the B-27E bullseye. So, either use a B-27E (regular B-27 would be fine) or provide proof of the size of your group.
The gun must be a gun used for self/home-defense.
The gun must be used in the same fashion it would be used for defense. So, if it is a DA/SA, the first shot at each yardage must be shot DA first and then SA for the rest. If it's a revolver it must be shot DA for every shot.
The course of fire is as above.
All shots are untimed.

This is done on your honor. If you say you did it, I'll believe you, but you must post a picture of your target. Let's keep this in the spirit of the forum. While I'm sure you can use this gun to defend yourself...

...it doesn't fit the spirit of the competition.

I used this one:

Well there it is.

I know you can't beat me, but can you even come close? PROVE IT!!! (There might be a prize involved.

)

Just saw this thread. It is unusual for a person to keep them all in the black. Here in Illinois we do the same test in our CC courses. I shoot revolver a lot. I reload with a Dillion and practice double action. Almost all my shots went into the X when I was shooting my J frame for my class. The people in the class were so amazed they all applauded. I was a little embarrassed. I think I had one outside the X because I got nervous knowing people were watching. We might not go all the way out to 10 yards. IDK.

Rastoff · #**740** 09-26-2021, 05:44 PM

Well done CB3!

It's a lot harder than most think. Welcome to a small group.

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