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Once you get below a Glock 26 sized pistol, all you're carrying is a close up contact fire in a clinch gun anyway. Nobody with a Keltec .380 or a NAA is going to effect a two handed combat stance and fire rounds at 10 yards . . .

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P516 7.5" Pistol with SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace

Can we count this as a .22? I mean it's only 3 thousandths of an inch.

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Just the opinion of a kid

I carry either of my Beretta Bobcats as my "around town" guns, I have one each in .22 and .25. The .25 sees a lot more carry than the .22. I also have a .22 LR NAA Mini revolver. ALL of these are contact range "get off me" guns.

The .25 Bobcat is reliable, it will go bang 9 times and odds are if I have to use it I'll be emptying the mag into a bad guys gut or face, and hopefully be able to get away.
The .22 works well with Stingers, it's a .22 but I still wouldn't want to be on the recieving end of a Stinger to the head.

The NAA is hard to cock but the cocking would be aided by being stabilized, when it's buried 4 inches into an assailants belly with a Velocitor being fired. These are the true definitions of "belly guns".

The .25 Beretta also makes a good back up gun, if my .38 snub or other main carry gun is empty, then things took a serious turn for the worse and 9 rounds of .25 is probably a better option than trying to reload an empty .38.

Needless to say if someone kicks my door in at 4am I won't be reaching for my .25......

Depends on which gun is heavier when you throw it at them.

A double tap with a 25 is the same as a single shot from a 50, right?
A double tap from a 22 Magnum must equal a 44 Magnum according to the math. Can't wait to try that 22 Mag twice = 44 Mag out on my next bear hunt or that 25 twice = 50 on Cape Buffalo. It should make a very interesting video right up to the part where I get killed.

I can't remember ever having a misfire with a .22 magnum. .22 LR, yes.
Speer and Hornady make self-defense .22 magnum rounds that perform pretty well in ballistic gelatin anyway. I have a back-up revolver in .22 magnum. It's always with me.

They're equal in bullet diameter, but certainly not in powder capacity....your sarcasm was not lost on me Tex.

Would one .25 = one 000 buck pellet ?

one .22mag = one #4 shot pellet?


Or something like that?????????????

.22 magnum with me along with .38+p642.

Some quick notes-

.25 gets much of it's bad rep from the cheap pot metal jam o matics that have been popular for over 100 years, even today you can buy a piece of junk Jimenez or Raven .25 for $80 new at a gun show, with a bore that's probably oversized and causes a lot of lost velocity. Even the old junk .22 revolvers had b/c gaps of like .020 , can't get much velocity out of that.

.22 has killed more people than any other because there are so many millions of various .22's all over the world, from complete junk river gun Suicide Special .22 pocket revolvers to cheap auto pistols and rifles, single shots, etc. Even people who don't like guns often have grand paps old .22 rifle rusting away in the closet. Back in the "day" people didn't care as much about stopping power and you could buy a cheap H&R or Iver Johnson .22 pocket revolver for $3 at the hardware store and it was good enough.

You want to talk about a real loser of a defense cartridge, talk about .32 S&W Short. That's basically a cap gun that fires what passes for a bullet, I had some old S&W .32 short breaktops and I was shooting at a poly plastic spinner target, and bullets were bouncing off of it and hitting the barn behind me. .22 LR's and .25 easily punch through the same target. The .32 Short of old could not have been much hotter, even in the BP loading. I think if someone had a heavy coat on it would stop a .32 Short. A guy tried to kill his wife with one and the bullets bounced off her skull hardly injuring her except for surface wounds.......now that's awkward

Good modern .22 LR that's expensive (read the CCI stuff that comes in the plastic boxes) that costs as much as 9mm is very reliable, and .22 Stinger and Velocitor WILL ruin someone's day. Maybe not a manstopper but no one wants pieces of metal punching into their organs or brain. I have a 4" NAA Mini Master and I believe it's the minimum barrel length to get any advantage out of .22 WMR.

That said I've seen insurgents take hits from 5.56 and run behind buildings, we send our troops into combat armed with varmint rifles......but that's a whole different debate.....and I blame the NATO imposed stabilizing rod that prevents the bullet from tumbling in tissue for that......

Tell that 13 year old kid who killed a burglar by emptying a mag of .22 from a 10/22 into him, that .22 is no good.......now that kid is my kind of American

A few weeks back a young guy down road from me was shot in chest in a dispute with a 22 LP pistol . Bullet broke up on entry part went down and hit Kidney rest nicked his aorta and exited his back. He drove 3 miles and then collapsed at general store. A ER nurse was their and went to work on him on the floor . EC picked up and Med evac to Lexington. He survived and is back to work.

If you have trouble with the 950 Beretta You can look for a Model 20 This is basically a 950 made into a DA/SA . Lot smaller and better than the later 21 .

I will stay wit the 25 for carry , and my 22LR model 21 's for plinking

I carried both today, my .25 Beretta in my pocket and the .22 LR Mini in my cargo pocket. I didn't feel like digging through my wardrobe to find a shirt to hide my SP101, just to run to Staples to buy a printer....