Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Concealed Carry & Self Defense All aspects of Concealed and Open Carry, Home and Self Defense.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:03 PM
NEURON NEURON is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: SOCAL
Posts: 269
Likes: 83
Liked 217 Times in 78 Posts
Default WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER

.22 Caliber can be Magnum or any loading of the rimfire. Enjoy.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:15 PM
CaptRon956 CaptRon956 is offline
Banned
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 646
Likes: 543
Liked 545 Times in 276 Posts
Default

Um.......
Attached Thumbnails
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER-no-frog-jpg  
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:21 PM
ralph7's Avatar
ralph7 ralph7 is online now
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 3,600
Likes: 6,720
Liked 4,738 Times in 1,699 Posts
Default

Both pretty anemic, but I would vote for the .25 because of the centerfire's better reliability over the rimfire. Aftermarket hyper ammo also boosts potency for this little round.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:36 PM
Aticus Aticus is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Breckenridge Hills, MO
Posts: 1,914
Likes: 1,596
Liked 1,485 Times in 704 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEURON View Post
.22 Caliber can be Magnum or any loading of the rimfire. Enjoy.
Are we now going to have a caliber war between 25 ACP and 22 rimfire? OHHHHH BOY!
__________________
Quando omni flunkus moritati.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:45 PM
texmex texmex is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 613
Likes: 252
Liked 1,022 Times in 328 Posts
Default

Being centerfire, 25 ACP is inherently more reliable ignition than 22. Modern rimfire ammunition seems to be much more reliable now than it was in the past. Firearms chambered in 25 ACP tend to be small vest pocket size guns of varying quality. Colt, Browning (FN) 25s are very well made but their small size makes them difficult for some to shoot well. The Walther PPK was made in 25 ACP (6.35mm) but is rarely found in that calibre. 22s of course run the gamut from top end target pistols (S&W 41) to inexpensive pocket size mass produced models of questionable reliability. Then there are 22 revolvers from tiny 5 shot minis up to ten shot S&W Masterpieces.
Ammo choices are very limited in 25 ACP and almost unlimited in 22 LR and 22 Mag. None of the above can be considered ideal for defensive carry. In a small pocket pistol, the edge goes to 25 due to being centerfire and semi-rimmed. Now that there are 32s and 380s as small as most 25s, there is not much reason to coose a 25.
22s can be very accurate and easy to shoot well. A few 22s to the head have more stopping power than a 44 magnum complete miss. Many carry 22LR or 22Mag as a trail or back up gun. 25, not so much.
As neat as the Baby Browning and Colt 1908 Vest Pocket are, the Tomcat, Seecamp and LCP have rendered them and the 25 ACP obsolete.

Last edited by texmex; 04-26-2015 at 02:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:49 PM
colt_saa's Avatar
colt_saa colt_saa is offline
SWCA Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Cocoa Beach, Florida
Posts: 8,811
Likes: 1,618
Liked 15,685 Times in 4,398 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEURON View Post
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER

.22 Caliber can be Magnum or any loading of the rimfire. Enjoy.
Whichever one that is going to be on your person all the time.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:53 PM
Old cop Old cop is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 6,665
Likes: 2,646
Liked 11,594 Times in 3,320 Posts
Default

The Vice guys had access to a .25 that my former agency purchased for them to use when the circumstances dictated, and a supervisor approved. That, in my opinion, would give the edge to the twenty-five.
__________________
Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-26-2015, 02:53 PM
BrewsterII's Avatar
BrewsterII BrewsterII is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 83
Likes: 368
Liked 185 Times in 55 Posts
Default

Either one would require perfect bullet placement, NEITHER imho!
__________________
BrewsterII
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-26-2015, 03:09 PM
Revolver-time Revolver-time is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Savannah, Ga.
Posts: 412
Likes: 30
Liked 109 Times in 54 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by texmex View Post
Being centerfire, 25 ACP is inherently more reliable ignition than 22. Modern rimfire ammunition seems to be much more reliable now than it was in the past. Firearms chambered in 25 ACP tend to be small vest pocket size guns of varying quality. Colt, Browning (FN) 25s are very well made but their small size makes them difficult for some to shoot well. The Walther PPK was made in 25 ACP (6.35mm) but is rarely found in that calibre. 22s of course run the gamut from top end target pistols (S&W 41) to inexpensive pocket size mass produced models of questionable reliability. Then there are 22 revolvers from tiny 5 shot minis up to ten shot S&W Masterpieces.
Ammo choices are very limited in 25 ACP and almost unlimited in 22 LR and 22 Mag. None of the above can be considered ideal for defensive carry. In a small pocket pistol, the edge goes to 25 due to being centerfire and semi-rimmed. Now that there are 32s and 380s as small as most 25s, there is not much reason to coose a 25.
22s can be very accurate and easy to shoot well. A few 22s to the head have more stopping power than a 44 magnum complete miss. Many carry 22LR or 22Mag as a trail or back up gun. 25, not so much.
As neat as the Baby Browning and Colt 1908 Vest Pocket are, the Tomcat, Seecamp and LCP have rendered them and the 25 ACP obsolete.
I cannot agree that modern rimfire is more reliable. I have had many more duds than in the past.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 04-26-2015, 03:19 PM
NYlakesider's Avatar
NYlakesider NYlakesider is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern NY-AdirondackMts
Posts: 5,697
Likes: 8,453
Liked 8,524 Times in 3,252 Posts
Default

If offered either of those wimps I would prefer a good Bowie type knife.
__________________
14 S&W Revs none with locks!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-26-2015, 03:43 PM
ArkieVol's Avatar
ArkieVol ArkieVol is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 98
Likes: 98
Liked 179 Times in 51 Posts
Default

Back in the 60's my neighbor was a doctor's assistant and brought me a professional journal from her boss that contained an article including x-ray photos about a shooting victim.

The victim had been assaulted and robbed outside a club one night and knocked unconscious. When he came to he went home, cleaned up and went to bed. Next morning he went to his doctor with a severe headache and burning in his mouth.

Long story short, a .25 cal pistol had been shoved in his mouth and fired five times. The X-rays showed all five slugs lodged inside his skull. He apparently survived but if I had not seen the article and x-rays in a respected medical journal I would not have believed it.

I sold the only .25 I had and never considered another.
__________________
Pay attention...it pays to win
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #12  
Old 04-26-2015, 03:47 PM
murphydog's Avatar
murphydog murphydog is offline
Moderator
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 21,823
Likes: 115
Liked 11,979 Times in 6,467 Posts
Default

"WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER"

Since both rounds are small, I'd say they can be effectively carried equally .

If you mean which would be more effective if you had to use one, probably one of those (other brand) 30-round .22 Magnum semi-auto pistols and three full magazines might do.
__________________
Alan
SWCA 2023, SWHF 220
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-26-2015, 04:01 PM
texmex texmex is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 613
Likes: 252
Liked 1,022 Times in 328 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Revolver-time View Post
I cannot agree that modern rimfire is more reliable. I have had many more duds than in the past.
Maybe some of those could be due to the firearm and not the ammo. I have looked over several used guns that had obvious damage from being dry fired. Are there brands of ammo that you have had more trouble with than others?

Your experience with dud rimfires should re-enforce the point that center fire will always be more reliable over the long haul. I have shot some very old centerfire ammunition, some even dating before world war two. I would not be suprised if rimfire ammo that old had 50% to 100% duds. A dud (or even worse, a squib) in a defense situation would be a disaster. When you are betting your life, you want all the odds stacked in your favor.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-26-2015, 04:01 PM
old&slow old&slow is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: central, Ohio
Posts: 1,166
Likes: 1,033
Liked 1,295 Times in 540 Posts
Default

The .22 lr is a ways down on my list of self defense cartridges. But, the .25 acp isn't even on the list.

Handgun Cartridge Power Chart - Condensed Version

I'm trying hard to think of a more worthless cartridge than a .25 ACP,, But so far I haven't thought of one..
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-26-2015, 04:07 PM
Smoke's Avatar
Smoke Smoke is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,773
Likes: 2,418
Liked 6,457 Times in 2,363 Posts
Default

Pointy stick?
__________________
Well,......Bye.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #16  
Old 04-26-2015, 04:08 PM
Kanewpadle's Avatar
Kanewpadle Kanewpadle is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wrong side of Washington
Posts: 9,670
Likes: 12,034
Liked 15,633 Times in 4,730 Posts
Default

I'd take a 22 mag revolver any day over a 25.
__________________
Life Is A Sunny Beach
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 04-26-2015, 04:10 PM
Acebow Acebow is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 117
Likes: 4
Liked 185 Times in 60 Posts
Default

Many years ago, I saw a marshmallow gun; shot the little marshmallows about 10-15 feet. Was fun to try and put them into a cup of hot chocolate from across the room.
Might be a step up from a .25.... Acebow
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #18  
Old 04-26-2015, 04:56 PM
Jim1392's Avatar
Jim1392 Jim1392 is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,115
Likes: 993
Liked 1,413 Times in 497 Posts
Default

Neither would be my choice. But if these were the ONLY choices I had I would go with a 22 Magnum.
Attached Thumbnails
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER-pug-001-jpg  

Last edited by Jim1392; 04-26-2015 at 04:58 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 04-26-2015, 05:33 PM
rwsmith's Avatar
rwsmith rwsmith is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 28,838
Likes: 37,199
Liked 26,429 Times in 12,616 Posts
Default Well, hmmmm

Let's go with ballistics.

2" barrel both examples:

Wiki sez a .25 acp can do 1100 fps with a 30 grain bullet

Ballistics by the inch sez .22 magnum can do 962 fps with a 30 grain Hornady Vmax but can get 1114 fps with 25 gr Hornady NTX.

That gives a miniscule advantage to the .25 acp over the .22 magnum.

Since my philosophy is not to depend on a one shot stop with ANY cartridge/gun combination I would think that a triple tap or more with either one of these would probably hurt somebody.

PS: A .22 killed Robert Kennedy, but was probably close or even pressed to his head.

PPS: I didn't realize that he was shot three times, but it was the one in the head that did it. Sirhan kept firing the gun while Rosy Grier muscled him against a steam table. Being a .22 they hoped the damage would not be that bad until they saw the hole in his head.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"

Last edited by rwsmith; 04-26-2015 at 05:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 04-26-2015, 06:39 PM
Revolver-time Revolver-time is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Savannah, Ga.
Posts: 412
Likes: 30
Liked 109 Times in 54 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by texmex View Post
Maybe some of those could be due to the firearm and not the ammo. I have looked over several used guns that had obvious damage from being dry fired. Are there brands of ammo that you have had more trouble with than others?

Your experience with dud rimfires should re-enforce the point that center fire will always be more reliable over the long haul. I have shot some very old centerfire ammunition, some even dating before world war two. I would not be suprised if rimfire ammo that old had 50% to 100% duds. A dud (or even worse, a squib) in a defense situation would be a disaster. When you are betting your life, you want all the odds stacked in your favor.
I my case it is not the gun or guns. None of my rimfires are dry fired. I don't think my 39A or my pre 17 have an issue. I would never trust todays rimfire stuff. Granted the Winchester 333 packs and the Remington Thunderbolt was the budget stuff but 30 out of a brick is crazy. On the other hand I can't remember having a misfire centerfire.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 04-26-2015, 06:57 PM
BAM-BAM BAM-BAM is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: A Burb of the Burgh
Posts: 12,602
Likes: 329
Liked 16,249 Times in 7,280 Posts
Default

Conventional wisdom for the past 40 years has been to go centerfire over rimfire..........that said........

will any auto cycle if the muzzle is in contact with the target?

My "guess' is that a .22magnum out of a sub 4-6" barrel is just a lot of flash and blast vs. a .22lr.

I've wonder how well someone can cock and fire those micro/mini-revolvers under stress..........once let alone multiple (4-5?) times.


The target for either is ....IMHO... in the eye socket, up the nose or in the ear...............bounce around inside the skull.........

Would I rather have a good 4" knife at .22/.25 range ?????....... no reloads needed ...... just keep stabbing/slashing

Last edited by BAM-BAM; 04-26-2015 at 07:01 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 04-26-2015, 07:14 PM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,547
Likes: 263
Liked 4,109 Times in 1,675 Posts
Default

I second the 22 Magnum..

Last edited by bigggbbruce; 07-11-2015 at 08:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #23  
Old 04-26-2015, 07:45 PM
STCM(SW)'s Avatar
STCM(SW) STCM(SW) is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: E. Washington State
Posts: 4,701
Likes: 991
Liked 8,594 Times in 2,616 Posts
Default

The 22 Mag has my vote but try cocking a SA small revolver .
Plus the one I had was back three times for failing parts....
Now, nothing but a .380 DA auto has my vote as minimum.
Do not CC of any of them now.
__________________
Only difference Fool/Mule-ears
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 04-26-2015, 07:50 PM
Kanewpadle's Avatar
Kanewpadle Kanewpadle is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wrong side of Washington
Posts: 9,670
Likes: 12,034
Liked 15,633 Times in 4,730 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rwsmith View Post
Let's go with ballistics.

2" barrel both examples:

Wiki sez a .25 acp can do 1100 fps with a 30 grain bullet

Ballistics by the inch sez .22 magnum can do 962 fps with a 30 grain Hornady Vmax but can get 1114 fps with 25 gr Hornady NTX.

That gives a miniscule advantage to the .25 acp over the .22 magnum.

Since my philosophy is not to depend on a one shot stop with ANY cartridge/gun combination I would think that a triple tap or more with either one of these would probably hurt somebody.

PS: A .22 killed Robert Kennedy, but was probably close or even pressed to his head.

PPS: I didn't realize that he was shot three times, but it was the one in the head that did it. Sirhan kept firing the gun while Rosy Grier muscled him against a steam table. Being a .22 they hoped the damage would not be that bad until they saw the hole in his head.

I read different. Wiki says a 30gr 22 mag 2300 fps and 322 fp of energy. Compared to a 35gr 25ACP at 1100 fps and 94 fp of energy. That's a big difference.
__________________
Life Is A Sunny Beach
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 04-26-2015, 07:51 PM
scootergirl69 scootergirl69 is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 9 Posts
Default

At the risk of getting in a peeing contest re .22 vs .25.....I believe more people have been shot and killed with a .22 than with any other caliber.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #26  
Old 04-26-2015, 08:36 PM
Gamecock's Avatar
Gamecock Gamecock is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SC
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 450
Liked 2,958 Times in 1,304 Posts
Default

WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE

Since neither is likely to be effective, the idea of 'more' doesn't work here.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 04-26-2015, 08:38 PM
P&R Fan P&R Fan is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NE Iowa
Posts: 5,451
Likes: 1,953
Liked 3,471 Times in 1,281 Posts
Default

I think Col. Cooper summed it up best about the .25 ACP. He said if you have one, don't carry it. If you carry it, don't load it. If you load it, don't shoot anybody with it. If you do, you may hit them, and that may cause them to get very angry.
Or something to that effect.
Jim
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #28  
Old 04-26-2015, 10:36 PM
Lt JL Lt JL is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,946
Likes: 3,892
Liked 2,652 Times in 982 Posts
Default

I carried a 1903 Colt vest Pocket 25 as a hideout for many years. I carried it in my hip pocket behind my badge wallet. I have posted elsewhere about the time I used it. I have seen many a sassy bandit, as Gus McCrae would say, killed deader than a mackeral with 22s and 25s, especially back in the days of Jennings, Davis, Bryco, and Raven.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #29  
Old 04-27-2015, 12:43 AM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,547
Likes: 263
Liked 4,109 Times in 1,675 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STCM(SW) View Post
The 22 Mag has my vote but try cocking a SA small revolver .
Well that's what you do to fire one..

Want some cheese to go with the whine..
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 04-27-2015, 12:51 AM
rwsmith's Avatar
rwsmith rwsmith is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 28,838
Likes: 37,199
Liked 26,429 Times in 12,616 Posts
Default That's with the long barrel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanewpadle View Post
I read different. Wiki says a 30gr 22 mag 2300 fps and 322 fp of energy. Compared to a 35gr 25ACP at 1100 fps and 94 fp of energy. That's a big difference.
If you go down to the 2" barrel I believe it matches what I said.

It wouldn't fair to compare a rifle barrel with a 2".

And a pocket revolver with a 24" barrel would make your walk a little suspicious.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #31  
Old 04-27-2015, 12:58 AM
STCM(SW)'s Avatar
STCM(SW) STCM(SW) is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: E. Washington State
Posts: 4,701
Likes: 991
Liked 8,594 Times in 2,616 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigggbbruce View Post
Well that's what you do to fire one..

Want some cheese to go with the whine..
See where you didn't quote that the thing broke parts several times.....

No wine, just scotch for me please.....
__________________
Only difference Fool/Mule-ears
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 04-27-2015, 01:02 AM
rwsmith's Avatar
rwsmith rwsmith is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 28,838
Likes: 37,199
Liked 26,429 Times in 12,616 Posts
Default Probably....

Quote:
Originally Posted by scootergirl69 View Post
At the risk of getting in a peeing contest re .22 vs .25.....I believe more people have been shot and killed with a .22 than with any other caliber.
The .22 has been so popular as a civilian gun it doesn't surprise me that a LOT of people have been shot by them. It would be good to know the ratio of shots:kills with the .22 and the .25 acp.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"

Last edited by rwsmith; 04-27-2015 at 01:04 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 04-27-2015, 03:32 AM
alwslate alwslate is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Indiana
Posts: 4,716
Likes: 1,614
Liked 3,869 Times in 1,825 Posts
Default

Some gunwriters just love to pick on the .25 acp and compare 2" 25
data to 22 data from a 6" revolver barrel. In guns of the same size,
like small autos with barrels of 2" or slightly greater length there is no
comparison. The 25 easily wins. One reason is that the 25 is loaded
with fast burning pistol powder while the optimal barrel length for
22 ammo is around 18-20". Reliability of feeding and ignition favors
the 25 and the standard 50 gr fmj gives better penetration than the
22 loads. Despite the stories of failures there have been countless
instances of one shot kills with the 25 acp with it's standard 50 gr
bullet.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #34  
Old 04-27-2015, 03:37 AM
robertrwalsh robertrwalsh is offline
SWCA Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Peoples Republic of Calif
Posts: 3,165
Likes: 585
Liked 2,965 Times in 1,222 Posts
Default

The point of a SD gun is not to kill the other guy, it is to keep the other guy from killing you. Both are lethal. Neither is quickly lethal without a CNS hit. Both have many instances of people being wounded with them, even fatally wounded, and not realizing they had been hit until hours later. You can afford to shoot a .22lr more so maybe you can get better with it, but IMHO the .25 is more reliable. You pay your money and you take your chances.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 04-27-2015, 08:55 AM
Arik Arik is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 16,634
Likes: 7,353
Liked 17,193 Times in 7,304 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scootergirl69 View Post
At the risk of getting in a peeing contest re .22 vs .25.....I believe more people have been shot and killed with a .22 than with any other caliber.
That's deceiving. If 22 is the most used then it will have the most effectiveness on paper. It can be done in reverse too. If one shot resulted in one kill from a 25acp one could say that the 25acp is 100% one shot stop.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 04-27-2015, 09:12 AM
Gamecock's Avatar
Gamecock Gamecock is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SC
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 450
Liked 2,958 Times in 1,304 Posts
Default

As either caliber is unlikely to physically compel an assailant to stop, you will be dependent on psychology for a stop.

The fact that you have a gun, and the assailant sees you have a gun, the more likely they are to decide to stop. Size matters. A big gun will have more deterrent than a small gun. I've never seen a big .25.

If we are comparing similar size guns - a 22 mag the size of a .25 - I believe it will come down to flash/bang affect to achieve a stop. As I have never shot either, I don't know which would be louder/flashier. I would guess the little .22 mag, as it will have extra powder to burn beyond the short barrel.

Can anyone speak from experience on the comparative flash/bang from these two?
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 04-27-2015, 09:15 AM
ChattanoogaPhil's Avatar
ChattanoogaPhil ChattanoogaPhil is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 14,683
Likes: 7,945
Liked 20,629 Times in 5,959 Posts
Default

.22 magnum.

If nothing else, the noise will scare the bad guy away.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #38  
Old 04-27-2015, 12:42 PM
kraynky's Avatar
kraynky kraynky is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Central Kentucky
Posts: 2,367
Likes: 9,087
Liked 3,830 Times in 1,461 Posts
Default

I used to own a Beretta .25 Jetfire, with the flip up barrel. It was a neat pistol, but the slide would eat a hole in the web of your shooting hand. The "flash/bang" from it was not too terrible, but back in the day there were few choices for ammo. I moved it around in the safe so much that i finally sold it to get it out of the way.

Now I own, and carry, one of the little NAA revolvers in .22 magnum. It's is very seldom the only weapon I have on me, but sometimes it is. I do know that the report from it is quite a bit louder than the .25 was, and I can actually hit with it better. However, they do take some practice to hit anything beyond say, 15'-20'. I can also tell you that in my "backyard water jug" testing, the magnum comes out on top of the .25 caliber. At least feel like I am armed when it's in my pocket. But usually there is a .38 or 9 mm around just for backup.
Attached Thumbnails
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER-20131230_140050_resized-jpg   WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER-fence-post-jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 04-27-2015, 12:56 PM
Lee's Landing Billy Lee's Landing Billy is offline
Banned
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Battery Oaks Range, S.C.
Posts: 1,852
Likes: 5,679
Liked 3,570 Times in 1,165 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Revolver-time View Post
I cannot agree that modern rimfire is more reliable. I have had many more duds than in the past.
In the past 5 years we have filled a quart jar with .22 that did not ignite, all with great rim crushes. Not one .25.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 04-27-2015, 12:59 PM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,547
Likes: 263
Liked 4,109 Times in 1,675 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STCM(SW) View Post
See where you didn't quote that the thing broke parts several times.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by STCM(SW) View Post
The 22 Mag has my vote but try cocking a SA small revolver .
Plus the one I had was back three times for failing parts....
There ya' go.. and some extra cheese for the extra whine..
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 04-27-2015, 01:00 PM
Lee's Landing Billy Lee's Landing Billy is offline
Banned
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Battery Oaks Range, S.C.
Posts: 1,852
Likes: 5,679
Liked 3,570 Times in 1,165 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamecock View Post
As either caliber is unlikely to physically compel an assailant to stop, you will be dependent on psychology for a stop.

The fact that you have a gun, and the assailant sees you have a gun, the more likely they are to decide to stop. Size matters. A big gun will have more deterrent than a small gun. I've never seen a big .25.

If we are comparing similar size guns - a 22 mag the size of a .25 - I believe it will come down to flash/bang affect to achieve a stop. As I have never shot either, I don't know which would be louder/flashier. I would guess the little .22 mag, as it will have extra powder to burn beyond the short barrel.

Can anyone speak from experience on the comparative flash/bang from these two?
Gamecock!!! Never fired either?? Get in your vehicle and come to Horry County we'll fix that lack of experience. For what it's worth the .22 mag is louder. Please don't count on volume to save your life.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 04-27-2015, 01:08 PM
Sayoc01 Sayoc01 is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 508
Likes: 4
Liked 629 Times in 247 Posts
Default

I have & carry a S&W 353 22mag.Before I got this talked to a Dr.that has had just about everything come his way...told me he had a guy killed with a 22mag.pistol....said when he opened him up he was all torn up inside!He said the 22mag is a "nasty:round! Didn't Bill Jordan like the 22mag.pistol??
Jim
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 04-27-2015, 04:03 PM
Aticus Aticus is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Breckenridge Hills, MO
Posts: 1,914
Likes: 1,596
Liked 1,485 Times in 704 Posts
Default

Yep, looks like we got another caliber war going! Keep up the good work gang. I'm enjoying the **** out of this.
__________________
Quando omni flunkus moritati.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 04-27-2015, 04:53 PM
KarmannGhia KarmannGhia is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: South of Atlanta, GA
Posts: 338
Likes: 185
Liked 407 Times in 144 Posts
Default

I'm fine with either caliber (as my third gun).
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 04-27-2015, 05:05 PM
michaelt michaelt is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 34
Likes: 16
Liked 35 Times in 17 Posts
Default

I have a NAA 22Mag and 22LR cyl. To me its little more thana loud toy . I will carry my Beretta 950 . I can empty the Beretta By time you get off a couple of the 22 mags . That are noise and flash in these little pistols. The 25 is a winner in short barrel . NAA own site will show 22LR or mag doesn't start getting up to speed till 4" or more barrel. I never shot a person with my 25 .But did send a want to be robber running one night. He saw gun(25 Beretta) and ran .

25 in the gell has gone 16" meets FBI 12 to 18 inches and lot more than 22 from same size pistol. Make mine 25 I have 3 Beretta's and a Bauer in 25acp. Have 2 Beretta's in 22LR. I will carry the 25 but not the 22's .

Must be some reason 25 still popular after a 100 yrs
Buy a quality 25 and that will alone increase FPS over the cheap Sat. specials
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #46  
Old 04-27-2015, 05:25 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 6,414
Likes: 1,631
Liked 8,659 Times in 3,219 Posts
Default

Point of information - I have been reliably informed, but have not seen the x-ray data to prove it, that a .22 round hit inside the body cavity tends to ounce around and tear up a lot of tissue. Thus, the fact that .22s are deadly just for that reason alone. And the LEO/firearms expert who taught me these things a long time ago said that more people were killed with .22s each year than anything else. I don't know where the data is to prove that but he insisted it was true.

What I do know is that having a gun in capable hands is far more important than caliber. If you choose to carry a gun then you also have to choose to be reasonably adept at its use and be willing to use it.

Nobody likes to be shot so if you can cause an aggressor to cease and desist when he sees your weapon you've accomplished your task, a no-shot-stop.

Statistics are sometimes hard to come by. A gentlemen named Greg Ellifritz spent a considerable amount of time compiling some of these types of numbers and he published his data on line in 2011. Mr. Ellifritz is a police officer and instructor himself. His conclusion is:

Quote:
Folks, carry what you want. Caliber really isn't all that important.
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association

(c) 2011 Greg Ellifritz and Buckeye Firearms Association

I carried a Beretta 950BS (aka Jetfire) for 20 years. The one thing I liked least about it was not caliber; it was being single action. It could be carried cocked and locked but I personally dislike that carry, especially in my pocket, so I routinely practiced drawing it out of various pockets and getting that hammer back. I also have an NAA 5 shot vest pocket revolver and that one is even harder to cock the hammer - so it was with great delight that I acquired a S&W M642, just as easy to carry, bigger caliber, fine, more importantly it's double action. Any gun is better than no gun, but any gun you can get into action fast and shoot well is the key to a successful defensive situation. So, .22 LR, .22 WMR, .25 ACP, it's not that big a deal in the overall scope of the data.

As for this:
Quote:
As neat as the Baby Browning and Colt 1908 Vest Pocket are, the Tomcat, Seecamp and LCP have rendered them and the 25 ACP obsolete.
I disagree. Those tiny guns might be obsolete for various reasons but, then again, a tiny package like that, a disappearing gun in the 21st century of mostly casual clothes and concealed carry, Precision Small Arms still makes them and they're gorgeous, not cheap, and have a definite place in the arsenal of concealed carry.

Home Base
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #47  
Old 04-27-2015, 05:35 PM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,547
Likes: 263
Liked 4,109 Times in 1,675 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelt View Post
I have a NAA 22Mag and 22LR cyl. To me its little more than a loud toy .
Toy..

I have done tests 22Mag on gallons of water backed with plywood. Ran out of jugs.

5 ft. 2 water jugs with considerable hydashock and through the 3/8 plywood. Wanna play..??

Last edited by bigggbbruce; 04-27-2015 at 05:36 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 04-27-2015, 05:38 PM
Gamecock's Avatar
Gamecock Gamecock is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SC
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 450
Liked 2,958 Times in 1,304 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
Point of information - I have been reliably informed, but have not seen the x-ray data to prove it, that a .22 round hit inside the body cavity tends to ounce around and tear up a lot of tissue. Thus, the fact that .22s are deadly just for that reason alone. And the LEO/firearms expert who taught me these things a long time ago said that more people were killed with .22s each year than anything else. I don't know where the data is to prove that but he insisted it was true.
Non sequitur. Unless the OP is an assassin.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #49  
Old 04-27-2015, 05:52 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is offline
US Veteran
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 6,414
Likes: 1,631
Liked 8,659 Times in 3,219 Posts
Default

Quote:
Non sequitur. Unless the OP is an assassin.
Funny. It's not a non sequitur, however. A non sequitur is a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. The statement does logically follow - what it lacks is proof and I admit to a lack of proof. Therefore it is speculatio (if you like Latin) or, worse, notional or whimsical.

But, because this is friendly and educational, learn me this, Gamecock - what's OP stand for? I understand "assassin". You can PM me if you don't want to mess with the thread.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 04-27-2015, 07:28 PM
Gamecock's Avatar
Gamecock Gamecock is offline
Member
WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER WHICH IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR CARRY,25ACP OR 22 CALIBER  
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SC
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 450
Liked 2,958 Times in 1,304 Posts
Default

2006 posts and you don't know what OP stands for?

I can't help you.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Caliber for Concealed Carry or Duty Carry miles71 Concealed Carry & Self Defense 93 10-13-2015 06:00 AM
How effective were cap and ball revolvers as carry weapons? GatorFarmer Firearms & Knives - Other Brands 70 07-17-2015 08:58 PM
Effective .38 caliber for Self Defense - S&W 642 Lincoln9 Ammo 92 05-24-2015 07:51 PM
Comments on carry caliber poll Cal44 Concealed Carry & Self Defense 0 01-02-2015 12:45 PM
Carry The 40 Caliber hdsoftail Concealed Carry & Self Defense 5 10-29-2010 03:13 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:47 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)