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Old 05-04-2015, 09:10 PM
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You know, it's not about the breed. If a dog, any dog, large enough to do damage (Chihuahuas are very aggressive dogs, but can be handled easily with my boot), comes growling and snarling at me, my family or pets, I will deal with it. I'm not going to take the time to assess its lineage.
Yup. Thats why i asked people to assess the dog. Far different demeanor in aggressive vs friendly.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:18 PM
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Several years ago, my daughter was about 5 at the time, I came home from a shooting session. I had a Marlin 45-70 in the back seat of my car. I live on a cul de sac and directly across it were some renters. One had a pitbull. My daughter was in the front yard playing and laughing. The dog looked over at her and started staring. Then it started to walk across their front lawn towards the street, picking up speed as it went. I watched the dog zero in on my daughter. I reached into the back seat, picked up the Marlin, found a couple of rounds, loaded it and racked one in the chamber. (Amazing how you can do things quickly when necessary).
By this time, the dog was about 3/4 across the cul de sac. I started walking towards my daughter, she was still oblivious, and aimed at the dog. If he got all four paws on my lawn, he was a dead dog. The owner across the street freaked out and started yelling and running towards my house. He caught the dog just as it got to the sidewalk. He started cussing me out saying his dog was gentle, raised right and great around kids, never having hurt anyone. I told him if the dog was ever on my property again, it would be dead and that I had a good lawyer.
He still tried to explain how since the dog was "raised" right it was harmless. I then asked him one question, which I have asked several pitbull owners since. Pitbulls were raised and bred to be vicious, it is instinct now. The question I ask anyone who states that it is how you raise an animal that makes them vicious or non vicious, is, if you get a tiger cub and raise it properly, does that mean it will be a harmless 600 pound house cat when it grows up? Would you trust your life to that, or your kids life? Most get a bit peeved and don't answer.
If I would have been you, the minute that dog was on my land, it would have left this earth.
Not the same thing. Tigers were never domesticated. Neither were lions or bears. The whole Pitt bull thing is a myth. People use them for fighting because of that myth. They don't lock jaws, can't, never could, don't have it in their DNA...just like all other dogs. The strongest bite from a dog is a Rottweiler not a Pitt bull. Most dog attacks are blamed on Pitts cause the dog was a mutt and had short fur. My dog even looks like. Pitt bull despite being a 20lb rat terrier. They are terriers so they share a resemblance. The term pit bull is often used loosely to describe dogs with similar physical characteristics. The American Bulldog is also considered a Pitt.

Some of the most selfless dogs have been Pitts. Google Popsicle the Pitt bull. Had the highest amount of drug seizures in history of Border Patrol.

Weela, who helped save 32 people, 29 dogs, 3 horses, and 1 cat

D-Boy, who took three bullets to save his family from an intruder with a gun

Lilly, who lost a leg after being struck by a freight train while pulling her unconscious owner from the train tracks

WW 1 infantry dog


I'm not saying you were wrong to be concerned. I would be too with ANY large dog but to think that just because it's a Pitt automatically makes it dangerous is like saying guns automatically make people dangerous.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:20 PM
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Yet you cannot deny the pitbull and breeds like it were bred to be specifically dog aggressive, and have a high drive to fight.
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I have a mutt, I have friends that have mutts and labs, etc..and I have friends who have pits and one with an american bulldog.
Guess which ones attack other dogs unprovoked and can't be taken to dog parks? It aint the labs or mutts.
I be played with mutts, Pitts and labs
Guess which is the only one that but me? It wasn't the Pitt or the mutt
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While not scientific at all...I've seen more "bites" and aggressive Belgian Malinois and German Shepherds than Pit Bulls, my Dad has even had to have surgery on his hand from a Shepherd biting him, (granted he also no longer has feeling in his left thumb from a bite by a normal house cat.) even though I lived in an area were just about everyone had a Pit bull or pit mix and is known as the knifing capital of NC (good ol' Robeson county. ) so the pits aren't exactly raised "right" either...
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:21 PM
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Yes.



Not really.
"During the course of a dog fight, the dogs were expected to fearlessly hurl themselves at their opponents without flinching or hesitation. If a dog turned away, it was viewed as a weakness and could be grounds for forfeit. Even if the hesitant animal was lucky enough to survive the encounter, he was still not out of the woods. Many handlers killed their own dogs because they believed a dog that hesitated even once could no longer be relied on to fight with the verve and tenacity the sport required. "
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Thats not training them. That's culling the ones that don't have a high level of aggression, i.e. selectively breeding.



Because dogs are pack animals at nature.



I must have missed that. All sources that I've read, both pro and anti pitbull/fighting dog, admit that high dog aggression is a natural tendency of those breeds.

"Pit bull terriers were selectively bred for a violent activity that is now a felony in all 50 U.S. states: dogfighting.

Dogfighting Fact Sheet by the Human Society of the United States"
Quick Statistics - U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org



Or maybe its the statistics that show lethal dog attacks here in the U.S. to be overwhelmingly instigated specifically by...pitbulls
Maybe because most vicious Pitts are in the hands of those who use them to hurt others.

In the 80s Dobermans were considered the worst dogs. Most dangerous! They still exist why are they no longer talked about

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Old 05-04-2015, 10:10 PM
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Glad to read this thread because this is similar to what happened to me last week. I had just gotten a epidural in my lower spine and a few hours later took my 2 dogs for a walk, walking helps my back and that's all my 2 dogs live for is their daily walk. I was on the next block from my home and out of nowhere comes this bull dog charging and biting at my dogs mostly the bigger one she is 60 pounds and little biscuit is 13 pounds, I was kicking at him and connected a couple of times but he would not stop and my dogs were jumping and I was twisting and in a lot of pain trying to protect my dogs, the owner finally came and grabbed his dog, he did apologise but I was not happy. I swear if I had been carrying that dog would have been put down in a heart beat and I don't give 2 craps of what anyone thinks, if you're not in that situation you have no idea of how you would react. I love dogs and most animals more than I like people but when your life or an animal you love lifes is in danger you only think of saving them and you.

I think you did great !!!!
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And I don't have anything against any dog breed, I don't believe any dog is born vicious, I blame the people who raise them to be vicious. Here is a little video of my big and bad 150 pound rotty, you tell me how mean and vicious he looks.
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:49 PM
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I did have an ugly situation some years ago that was not in the context of the OP, but is now based on following posts

A neighbor (arrogant alpha male) had a German Shepard professionally trained as an attack dog. Other female neighbor had a pathetic, blind, deaf, two pound lap dog. She was the town's lead ER trauma nurse, and gave her life to helping others.
One afternoon she has her dog out. Other neighbor comes out. I hear her screaming. He points at her dog, and says "KILL". I grabbed the .308 at the door, and dropped the shepard as it was chewing through her arm as she defended her dog. I called 911, and faced the music. He filed charges against me, but I won. The lawyer send him a bill for the ammo and costs to drive to the store.
Bad guy was evicted immediately, good nurse resigned and went to another town. My town lost big time, but she and the dog were safe. I hope he needed class 1 trauma care a few weeks later. But he will rot.
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Old 05-04-2015, 11:05 PM
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Glad to read this thread because this is similar to what happened to me last week. I had just gotten a epidural in my lower spine and a few hours later took my 2 dogs for a walk, walking helps my back and that's all my 2 dogs live for is their daily walk. I was on the next block from my home and out of nowhere comes this bull dog charging and biting at my dogs mostly the bigger one she is 60 pounds and little biscuit is 13 pounds, I was kicking at him and connected a couple of times but he would not stop and my dogs were jumping and I was twisting and in a lot of pain trying to protect my dogs, the owner finally came and grabbed his dog, he did apologise but I was not happy. I swear if I had been carrying that dog would have been put down in a heart beat and I don't give 2 craps of what anyone thinks, if you're not in that situation you have no idea of how you would react. I love dogs and most animals more than I like people but when your life or an animal you love lifes is in danger you only think of saving them and you.

I think you did great !!!!
Ive been in many of those situations and they were pretty recent. Why do you think i got my ccw? To protect myself against many dogs running around loose in my neighborhood.

I found that dogs act differently when theyre about to tear into something vs a friendly curious hyper dog. I looked into non violent means which wouldnt kill the dog. I always gave the dog the benefit of the doubt, definitely only haf seconds to decide and i will admit size did matter. One bite to my arm wasnt going to kill me and it was going to save alot of people time and pain if i did give the dog the benfit of the doubt.

However i found out it wasnt a breed of dog which mattered, it was just the dog. Guess what ****er bit me? A little 5 pound little **** i couldve stomped, the owner was right there too. Then another time running past a trailer park a pitbull and a lab had me, i had them at arms length yelling at them until their owner came. Almost turned real bad. I had a few more instances and i started carrying pepper spray while furiously searching for ways to protect myself. Never found anything.

A gun didnt fit the bill due to what i wanted, and i just learned to keep my headphone volume down, take pepper spray or a knife and take the risk if i wanted to run. Reading dogs was another thing, a beagle and another dog came running at me fast, I decided it wasnt a threat so i didnt kick it. Turned out to be just fine. Had i shot the dog as is the pre emptive measure of others, there would have been some sad owners and a police report.

So yes i know how id react and prepare. i also understand a knife or pepper spray may not work in the end and man im glad i moved out of there.

My roommate laughed at me for being concerned until he too was chased down by dogs, luckily he got away. Said something like 20 dogs came out of the woods howling for him, pretty sure it was adrenaline.

But i think gunowners should act responsibly and stop being so dang paranoid and afraid of getting hurt. Are you going to shoot up a car who may be coming into your lane?

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You did the right thing, if attacked you would have been justified I feel by most states. Just make sure of where the bullet is going. Bullets that hit a skull at an angle can riccochet.

I was attacked by a pit bull. In the early 70's when I was an outside phone guy. I was wearing my knee high lineman's boots with a 2nd sole, the 1st thing we did was take them to the cobbler who put cut out cross saw blades between the soles so your feet could take longer times on a pole.

My first kick caught it right by the ear, spun him, I stomped him down and stood on his throat while doing an Irish Clog on his ribs.

The dogs owner was standing next to me and she had no idea what to do. You should have seen her eyes. They never turned it in.

When the dance was over I backed off ready to continue, he limped back into her house, whining. I also used a string of banned words that probably helped.

One of the neighbors saw this and came over to my truck, said we wish you would have killed it, it's bit 1/2 the kids in the neighborhood and killed several pets.

Grew up with neighboring farms and relatives that had large mean surly dogs. Had a little practice.

That same dog treed a phone guy up a pole and wouldn't let him down. He called the CO guy who brought a truck up, backed next to the pole and they sat up the road until the dog left.

A few days after I did the deed with the pit bull that tech and I were going to pull some cable into a building up the road. I saw the Pit in the yard, I stopped, the guy said what in the banned are you doing? I said watch this, he said don't open the truck door he'll eat you. I opened the door and charged him, he ran like the wind to his house. The other tech said what the heck? I said that is the one I trained the other day. He remembers my voice.

P.S. I'm a lifer phone guy, I have 10 or 20 good dog stories.

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People have turned this thread into a "Are pitbulls good or bad?" discussion.

The breed doesn't matter. If a dog attacks it deserves to met with equal or greater force.

The man simply asked what we would have done. Nothing more nothing less.
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When the dog first approached I talked to him trying to keep his aggression down. The woman was running towards us but no control.

I agree my dog was sending "alpha" signal and the pit went off.

I knew it was coming and held my control.

He didn't get a hold of my dog and never touched me(that would have been immediate dispatch).

He stepped back and I had the barrel a foot from his head waiting for his next move. I told her" I will kill him" She said " I know" His choice was to respond to the owner. I was in control the entire time.

I know what I will do if it happens again.

My question was what would you do?
The same as you, you did well and remained calm. Any closer and we know the outcome, and it would be completely understandable. in Montana we do not put up with out of control viscous animals.

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People have turned this thread into a "Are pitbulls good or bad?" discussion.

The breed doesn't matter. If a dog attacks it deserves to met with equal or greater force.

The man simply asked what we would have done. Nothing more nothing less.
People have also somehow turned this into the dog attacked the person when it never did. It simply ran at someone, betting people turned it into attack simply because pitbull was mentioned, had it said labrador, people would have arrived at different conclusions. It may have been viciously running at someone to attack, but that was not described or explained.

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I don't care if someone thinks their precious dog won't hurt anyone, if a large powerful uncontrolled dog comes at me and mine it's going to be dealt with accordingly. I'm not researching the breed, expertly psychoanalyzing your dog to determine its true intentions or waiting till it's canines are sunk into my dogs neck to give it the full benefit of the doubt. No thanks. If I feel it's a threat that's what I have to go with.

I understand the emotional attachment folks have to their dogs, but large powerful dogs are no joke. I darned near was forced to deal with such a situation while the owner was on the other end of the leash. The owner was literally being dragged by the dog gone berzerk toward me and my dog. Had the owner not gained control I would have been forced to. Keep control of your animals. No one wants to be put in a situation to have do it for you.

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People have also somehow turned this into the dog attacked the person when it never did. It simply ran at someone, betting people turned it into attack simply because pitbull was mentioned, had it said labrador, people would have arrived at different conclusions. It may have been viciously running at someone to attack, but that was not described or explained.
In a situation I'm not playing Name That Breed. My neighbor had two Goldens, brother and sister. Raised them from pups. One turned out vicious, the other not. Same environment. Good people. Two very different animals.

Keep control of your animals.

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People have also somehow turned this into the dog attacked the person when it never did. It simply ran at someone, betting people turned it into attack simply because pitbull was mentioned, had it said labrador, people would have arrived at different conclusions. It may have been viciously running at someone to attack, but that was not described or explained.
The dog took one second and attacked. I had steel toed boots on and fended off two surges. He stepped back and I had him point blank with the safety off. He responded to the woman calling him off. I lowered my gun and let him live.

Reading the above I'm thinking the dog charged and attacked him and his dog, am I crazy ? I'm 6'4" and 280, I grew up in the streets west of Chicago during the race riots of the 60's and had to learn some serious fighting and survival skills, I was a garbage man for 25 years, dealing with hundreds if not thousands of dogs, I am a father of 7, grandfather to 14 and have 1 great grand child, not much scares me and reading all your posts in this thread I can only scratch my head
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The dog took one second and attacked. I had steel toed boots on and fended off two surges. He stepped back and I had him point blank with the safety off. He responded to the woman calling him off. I lowered my gun and let him live.

Reading the above I'm thinking the dog charged and attacked him and his dog, am I crazy ? I'm 6'4" and 280, I grew up in the streets west of Chicago during the race riots of the 60's and had to learn some serious fighting and survival skills, I was a garbage man for 25 years, dealing with hundreds if not thousands of dogs, I am a father of 7, grandfather to 14 and have 1 great grand child, not much scares me and reading all your posts in this thread I can only scratch my head
*** did i read????

You got me. I mustve read someone eles story and gotten it mixed up in this thread. Yup the dog attacked him, now i see how ive caused unneeded conflict, my bad people.
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I was at a village meeting last night sitting outside the fire barn in the nice weather.

My wife had taken our recently adopted puppy for a walk down the road.

We were discussing out of control dogs in the area When I hear my wife getting loud and upset. I got up to take a look when I hear her start screaming bloody murder. I started running.

She was about a block away. I immediately see a friend's massive Rottweiler (has to be pushing 200 pounds and who has never hurt a fly and has always been a very loving dog) with our little puppy in its mouth shaking it viciously.

The entire rest of the run all I remember is seeing my dog being savaged and hearing my wife screaming. I still didn't know if she had been attacked as well.

Somewhere along the line my 642 got in my hand but there was no way to make a shot. So I fired three shots in the air and that stopped the attack.

But the damage was done. I knew immediately her back was broken. My wife was untouched.

The owner is a partially disabled woman who takes her dog for walks as she rides on her scooter. She comes up can't believe what has happened. He's never done this before. Etc and so on. She even showed me what she referred to as a tazer. And I'm thinking whole lot a good that did. And she's still standing there with her dog still not on a leash. And my dogs dying in the grass. Her dog's not being aggressive at this point. But I still kept my gun in my hand I didn't know if he would start attacking again. I had to ask her to take her dog and get out of there.

We found a vet that would see us and she confirmed what I'd guessed about her back. So we put her to sleep.

People have to control their dogs. This one was always nice as could be. Don't know what set him off. Just came right up and attacked.

I wish I'd been closer.

P.s.- My wife is signed up for the next available ccw course.

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Big dogs scare me. But not to be too judgemental, firing shots in the air might not be a good idea.
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I chose a direction I knew to be safe.
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My experience with dogs has been not to trust them.unleashed around other animals. My dog runs around unleashed around adults and teens with myself nearby(people i know who are in my yard or home) my dog loves little kids but i always make sure im there just in case. Im prepared to put my dog down the moment he attacks a person.
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People have to control their dogs. This one was always nice as could be. Don't know what set him off. Just came right up and attacked.

I wish I'd been closer.

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Funny how some folks who don't keep a close eye on their dogs and let 'em run loose to get in other people's business are the first ones to get all fussy and defensive when you call them on it. Life long fueds have been started over dog killings whether deserved or not. If you're going to do the deed it's best to bury or haul off the evidence.
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Then, I took it and put it in a garbage bag. Then I threw him into a dumpster.
If I sound cruel, I am not, I merely got rid of a threat.
I was not going to wait for it to attack me at some point.
So I acted preemptively.
And the owner never found the dog, but he may have guessed what happened.
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OP,
If you are satisfied with the outcome then you did fine.

As a police officer (with all the "cop shot my pet for no reason" hate), I have made the personal choice to take a bite before I shoot a dog (especially on the dogs home turf). I have been charged at several times and (so far) the dogs have backed off as I stood my ground.

Again, that's for me personally. I do not expect my wife or kids to wait.

PS: If you are bit, do not shoot the head. The brain needs to be uninjured to test for Rabies.
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This pit WILL attack you or your dog again. I think you're very lucky with the outcome of the first encounter. May want to carry a couple less-lethal rounds with you on your strolls if you're not wanting to lay waste to this beast.
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I am a dog lover, that said...... I would have killed it... p e r i o d.
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This is a really good thought, but hard to do. If I'm bit, I'm shooting the dog. I will aim for the largest thing I can that won't get me or anyone else shot in the process. After the first shot, if another is warranted, I'll try to aim for a more precise location.
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Hard to say. I had a similar experience at a store the other day. Some boxer/pit mix looking ugly stupid dog that was leashed in a jeep jumped out to get at my GSD (working dog from Czech, would rip that mutt to shreds). Anyway, it slipped the collar and came at us. MY GSD went at the dog, I pulled her back and drew a G19. Being that I have already shot one dog, I was very hesitant to pull the trigger, though I was in the right. Instead, I kicked the heck out of it. That, combined with my dog flared up, and ready to get the dog made it change its mind.

So, I think you did good. Believe me, when you shoot a dog and it is yelping and bleeding front of you, it isn't fun. Neither is spending a lot of money on an attorney to keep an idiot dog owner who doesn't know how to use a leash from having you brought up on felony charges.
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I saw the Pit in the yard, I stopped, the guy said what in the banned are you doing? I said watch this, he said don't open the truck door he'll eat you. I opened the door and charged him, he ran like the wind to his house. The other tech said what the heck? I said that is the one I trained the other day. He remembers my voice.

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Believe me, when you shoot a dog and it is yelping and bleeding front of you, it isn't fun. Neither is spending a lot of money on an attorney to keep an idiot dog owner who doesn't know how to use a leash from having you brought up on felony charges.
I believe you, but it's better than ME yelping and bleeding because I let the dog "have a bite".
I'll deal with the owner later!
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A little bit off the track here. Absolom above mentioned people across the street from him had "Beware of Dog" signs all over their property. For those of you with dogs and signs; an attorney aquaintance once told me never, ever put up "beware of Dog" signs or caution, German Sheperd on duty type signs. They are a direct admission when taken to court that you know/knew the dog is aggresive and you know the dog will bite.
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They are a direct admission when taken to court that you know/knew the dog is aggresive and you know the dog will bite.
This is similar to the gun signs like, "Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again."

Can you point to even one court case where the sign was a significant part of putting someone in jail/prison?
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This is similar to the gun signs like, "Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again."
Can you point to even one court case where the sign was a significant part of putting someone in jail/prison?
Pressuming the lawyer told him that, it's important to remember that lawyers can sometimes be over presumtuous about possible court outcomes. Still, even if no case law exist to support his statement, that doesn't mean its not good advise.
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Big dogs scare me. But not to be too judgemental, firing shots in the air might not be a good idea.
I'll say it. Firing shots in the air is a really foolish and irresponsible idea.
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Your wife and little dog are being attacked by a giant 200 pound Rottweiler you're still 50 yards away running as fast as you can. What would you do?

There was a safe area to fire my gun. I did and it got the dog to stop his attack. I'm not sorry at all.

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Your wife and little dog are being attacked by a giant 200 pound Rottweiler you're still 50 yards away running as fast as you can. What would you do?
I agree that firing shots in the air is not a safe thing to do. However, when the lives of my family are involved, and I can't reliably shoot the attacker, I'll do the next best thing.

I didn't see the situation OzarkNick went through, but from his description I can't fault him. Change the story to, "I just fired my gun randomly without thought" and I will jump on the 'bad idea' bandwagon.
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OP, I think you did fine.

These threads baffle me.

I've roaded my bird dogs for years and have encountered many, many loose dogs. In that time my dogs, while on a roading harness attached to a lead, have been attacked three times. Same breed every time. Guess the breed.

Nature versus nurture. Hmmm...my dogs have all, every one, pointed birds naturally. As a breed, this behavior was selected as a trait. It's literally part of their nature. It took very little reinforcement to make them solid performers. This is how all working dogs, dogs with a purpose, were developed, by breeding for specific traits. This is elementary dog stuff here.

Border collies are bred to herd--ever seen one that didn't have a real job trying to herd everything in sight? They can't help it.

Pointing dogs are bred to point, border collies are bred to herd, retrievers are bred to retrieve, hounds, beagles, to give chase and voice. Just try to stop that behavior bred in for hundreds, maybe thousands of generations.

Fighting dogs are bred to fight. Simple as that. It should surprise no one that they often choose to do so, even though they might sleep at the feet of their master and snuggle with the kiddies.

If you choose to own such a dog, you must accept and deal with the fact that it was bred to fight other dogs. Just like people that have collies, labs, beagles and other working breeds must deal with the somewhat annoying behaviors those dogs exhibit if they are not allowed to do what they are bred to do.

If people want to own pits etc., fine. What scares the hell out of me is people that own that kind of dog and defend them to the end and deny that they were bred to fight other dogs. That tells me that those people are refusing to take the proper precautions regarding those dogs around other animals.

Edit to add: I had a funny conversation with a guy in the city who had a Brittany as a pet, which kind of broke my heart. His biggest complaint? He had a hard time walking in the park, down city streets etc. because it kept freezing in place when it saw or smelled a bird. He was tired of having to drag it off. It's hard to stop those behaviors.

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Your wife and little dog are being attacked by a giant 200 pound Rottweiler you're still 50 yards away running as fast as you can. What would you do?

There was a safe area to fire my gun. I did and it got the dog to stop his attack. I'm not sorry at all.
It's easy for people to say what should or shouldn't be done when we are not facing the "immediateness" of the situation ourselves. Personally, I find NO fault with what you did...given the circumstances. And though I'd LIKE to think that I would have fired into the ground instead of the air, it's more likely that my mind would be more focused on my wife and dog than where I was directing the rounds.
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Too bad you didn't frame the question as just an aggressive dog to weed out the pitbull factor.

My American Staffordshire Terrier endorses this idea. He'd have posted himself but he's busy cuddling with the cat. And twerking.
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The pimp, the trained attack dog and the phone man.


There was a town right outside a large military base. In the either regions of this town were places that were off limits. Love hungry GI's would go there at night and buy happiness.

One of these places was run by a surly gent, a real Pimp. He had sent a German Shepard to St. Louis to be attack trained. He kept the dog close to him along with a pearl handled 357.

His girls all wanted phones, several to a room. When the phones guys went out to install, repair or disconnect the Pimp would demand the guys pack of cigarettes. He could afford gold plated cigs if he wanted, he just liked messing with folks.

My buddy who grew up coon hunting, when young he had to climb the tree to throw the coon out to the dogs. He got pretty good at keeping his hand out of biting mouths. He had to wade in and pull a coon from a pack of dogs. He had to break up fights when coon hounds went at each other. Lots of dog experience.

He showed up and the pimp demanded his cigarettes. He said, nope get cher own, you can afford them. The pimp took this as an affront and said if you don't give me your cigs I'm turning the attack dog loose on you. My buddy thought he was kidding about the dog. Again he denied the pimps request for the cig pack. The pimp just said KILL and the fight was on.

My bud kept backing up kicking and gained purchase on the collar he took the dog down and choked it to death. All the time he was afraid he was going to get shot in the back.

The pimp screamed that is a $3000 dollar dog. My bud said he isn't worth 2 cents now.

The pimp never called our office to complain and distinctly did not call the law.


The very important Colonel, the junk yard farm dog and the phone guy.


An Air Force Colonel retired and bought a farm 20 miles out in the country. Farm country, 10 party lines and most felt lucky to have this.

The colonel was an abrasive bullying braggart feller. In the local coffee shop he would brag how much his retirement check was and how much his civil service double dipping job paid. Told them thanks for paying taxes so he could have all this money. In the land of bib overalls and john Deere caps he did not endear himself to the locals.

He demanded a private line and was denied, he told everyone he was very important and had to have one. Nope he was a part time farmer with a couple of cows and a job.

He developed a plan to leave his phone off hook when he left for work and call in trouble reports. With enough reports the sate would step in.

The colonel had a large German Shepard that had one and only one personality trait, VICIOUS!

2 of us worked this town. Daily we'd get a trouble report and take turns going out. Never got out of the truck. The dog would bite the painted bumpers, you could hear his teeth making ungodly noise as he bite through the paint to the metal.

He would bite the truck tires and shake so hard the truck would move.

When you pulled up the dog would fly in with fangs barred, drooling barking like a junk yard dog.

Went on for months. The reports did not count because he failed to put up the biting dog as asked each time.

I sort of had a melt down, snapped if you will, enough.

I stopped up the road from the house and retrieved my 2 pound lineman's hammer from my tool bin. For those who have not seen one, it looks like a small sledge hammer with a 15 to 18" handle. It is for driving heavy bolts into poles or driving ground rods.

Ole fido closed on my truck in his normal teeth first fashion. Only this time I stepped out with said hammer on my shoulder. It is said one is not supposed to stare into a alpha dogs eyes, it may aggravate them.

I stared him in the eyes, calmly said dog today you either go play somewhere else or die. He kept staring at my eyes.

Something he saw clicked, he quit snarling and barking. He walked off into a pasture and did not look back.

I am a dog lover, but there are some that might be better off in the state of demise.

I went to the house, yep receiver off hook. The colonel's work number was on the report. I called it and said hi, I'm at your house and your receiver is off hook preventing 9 other folks from using their phone. I'm leaving you unhooked until you call back in. He pulled out his Colonels voice and told me BS I can't be calling him from his house. I said yes I am. He was adamant I wasn't. Then he yelled what did you do to my dog? Dog what dog? Oh you mean the one they've told you to lock up 50 times? That dog? Well in the future when you're told to lock up your new dog, do it.

His voice went squeeky and had some high pitch panic kinda vibes.

He called in on me, I got a pat on the back and coffee by my boss.

He never called in another trouble report. I'll bet he left work early and drove like mad to see if ole killer was dead.

And if ole killer had attacked he would have crossed over.


A jerk who views dog training as cruel and the older phone guy.


As I said I love dogs, trained and well mannered dogs. I don't have much truck with those who let dogs run and the only training given was to let them use your yard as their privy.

In St. Louis I was leash training a chocolate lab. He was about 6 months old when we got him and had zero training.

When we 1st went to St. Louis we lived in a nice apartment complex until we bought a home. The recommended method is to use a 15' leash and walk. If they go around a tree or fire hydrant keep walking pretty soon they get the idea that go snooping around that tree will get you neck stretched a little.

So I'm working the pup day one. A jogger came by, he was giving me some serious looks. I could tell he did not approve. He said something like cruel aren't you. I said no, training the dog to leash and I'll bet in 5 minutes I can have your sorry self leash trained, he jogged off at double speed.

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There was a town right outside a large military base. In the either regions of this town were places that were off limits. Love hungry GI's would go there at night and buy happiness.

One of these places was run by a surly gent, a real Pimp. He had sent a German Shepard to St. Louis to be attack trained. He kept the dog close to him along with a pearl handled 357.

His girls all wanted phones, several to a room. When the phones guys went out to install, repair or disconnect the Pimp would demand the guys pack of cigarettes. He could afford gold plated cigs if he wanted, he just liked messing with folks.

My buddy who grew up coon hunting, when young he had to climb the tree to throw the coon out to the dogs. He got pretty good at keeping his hand out of biting mouths. He had to wade in and pull a coon from a pack of dogs. He had to break up fights when coon hounds went at each other. Lots of dog experience.

He showed up and the pimp demanded his cigarettes. He said, nope get cher own, you can afford them. The pimp took this as an affront and said if you don't give me your cigs I'm turning the attack dog loose on you. My buddy thought he was kidding about the dog. Again he denied the pimps request for the cig pack. The pimp just said KILL and the fight was on.

My bud kept backing up kicking and gained purchase on the collar he took the dog down and choked it to death. All the time he was afraid he was going to get shot in the back.

The pimp screamed that is a $3000 dollar dog. My bud said he isn't worth 2 cents now.

The pimp never called our office to complain and distinctly did not call the law.


The very important Colonel, the junk yard farm dog and the phone guy.


An Air Force Colonel retired and bought a farm 20 miles out in the country. Farm country, 10 party lines and most felt lucky to have this.

The colonel was an abrasive bullying braggart feller. In the local coffee shop he would brag how much his retirement check was and how much his civil service double dipping job paid. Told them thanks for paying taxes so he could have all this money. In the land of bib overalls and john Deere caps he did not endear himself to the locals.

He demanded a private line and was denied, he told everyone he was very important and had to have one. Nope he was a part time farmer with a couple of cows and a job.

He developed a plan to leave his phone off hook when he left for work and call in trouble reports. With enough reports the sate would step in.

The colonel had a large German Shepard that had one and only one personality trait, VICIOUS!

2 of us worked this town. Daily we'd get a trouble report and take turns going out. Never got out of the truck. The dog would bite the painted bumpers, you could hear his teeth making ungodly noise as he bite through the paint to the metal.

He would bite the truck tires and shake so hard the truck would move.

When you pulled up the dog would fly in with fangs barred, drooling barking like a junk yard dog.

Went on for months. The reports did not count because he failed to put up the biting dog as asked each time.

I sort of had a melt down, snapped if you will, enough.

I stopped up the road from the house and retrieved my 2 pound lineman's hammer from my tool bin. For those who have not seen one, it looks like a small sledge hammer with a 15 to 18" handle. It is for driving heavy bolts into poles or driving ground rods.

Ole fido closed on my truck in his normal teeth first fashion. Only this time I stepped out with said hammer on my shoulder. It is said one is not supposed to stare into a alpha dogs eyes, it may aggravate them.

I stared him in the eyes, calmly said dog today you either go play somewhere else or die. He kept staring at my eyes.

Something he saw clicked, he quit snarling and barking. He walked off into a pasture and did not look back.

I am a dog lover, but there are some that might be better off in the state of demise.

I went to the house, yep receiver off hook. The colonel's work number was on the report. I called it and said hi, I'm at your house and your receiver is off hook preventing 9 other folks from using their phone. I'm leaving you unhooked until you call back in. He pulled out his Colonels voice and told me BS I can't be calling him from his house. I said yes I am. He was adamant I wasn't. Then he yelled what did you do to my dog? Dog what dog? Oh you mean the one they've told you to lock up 50 times? That dog? Well in the future when you're told to lock up your new dog, do it.

His voice went squeeky and had some high pitch panic kinda vibes.

He called in on me, I got a pat on the back and coffee by my boss.

He never called in another trouble report. I'll bet he left work early and drove like mad to see if ole killer was dead.

And if ole killer had attacked he would have crossed over.


A jerk who views dog training as cruel and the older phone guy.


As I said I love dogs, trained and well mannered dogs. I don't have much truck with those who let dogs run and the only training given was to let them use your yard as their privy.

In St. Louis I was leash training a chocolate lab. He was about 6 months old when we got him and had zero training.

When we 1st went to St. Louis we lived in a nice apartment complex until we bought a home. The recommended method is to use a 15' leash and walk. If they go around a tree or fire hydrant keep walking pretty soon they get the idea that go snooping around that tree will get you neck stretched a little.

So I'm working the pup day one. A jogger came by, he was giving me some serious looks. I could tell he did not approve. He said something like cruel aren't you. I said no, training the dog to leash and I'll bet in 5 minutes I can have your sorry self leash trained, he jogged off at double speed.
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The Pit is just another attack waiting to happen. Next time it could be someone's child. I would've dropped it on the spot.
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The whole how they are raised is not entirely true. There have been countless reports of people who have raised pits right and they still attack. And these are by actual breed lovers.

I honestly don't care about dog breed. I've had ROTTS and they are awesome dogs, very protective of their family. But if a big aggressive dog is coming at me, it will get dropped. I have been bit by a pitt mix in my leg and it HURTS.
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Since we are hijacking the OP's original thread and some want more canine stories I will open a new thread.

OP, you did the right thing. The use of deadly force applies across the species spectrum.

You saved yourself a bunch of sorrow by using restraint. Yes most of us feel dealing with the dog will save some pain, suffering and perhaps death down the road, but, you and your dog did not get past the point of imminent life threatening danger.

If the dog attacked, different methods apply.

Many cities now have banned Pits. I don't know what yours does but it would be good to contact the city to gain the legal aspect.

Most cities also ban shooting firearms in the city limits, including archery and air/pellet guns.

No warning shots, only shoot in self defense. If one feels the attack is imminent that may be all you need, plus hopefully witnesses.

Sir you do not need to soul search any further. You reacted correctly. And we know what would have happened if your or your dog was attacked.
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I agree with the other posters about filing a report. Documentation will be your friend if there are more problems.
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The Pit is just another attack waiting to happen.
No, it's not.
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having been bit by a half pit, half black lab, not sure i would have the restraint you showed. had my 442 been with me when i was bit, unhappy time for dog, owner and me. that said, nice job, with a mostly happy outcome.
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You're very lucky to have fended off a dog attack with just a few kicks. Sounded like the little guy only wanted to play. I'd also carry a gun that shoots bullets with a little more mass..... Having seen many pitbulls shot with many different rounds, you likely would have been out of ammo before the dog was out of steam. N-Frame with a long barrel works well. You give them the end of the barrel to bite on instead of your hand and....boom....

As far as breed generalizations.... I'm currently in classes with my dog. The trainer is a guy who's been training dogs for over 40 years and is well-known and a former trainer for the Air Force during the Vietnam era. First day, he made us repeat something three times...We had to stand there and say: "Never trust your dog, never trust your dog, never trust your dog...." And this guy has made good living at training dogs for 40 years. Way more than any well-known and trendy TV trainers.

He doesn't do much generalizing about breeds when it comes to which are more "trustworthy". Too many variables.

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In the words of Troy Landry, "Choot im!"
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When I was about 18 or so, I was walking down the street with my girlfriend in her neighborhood when I heard the sound of a pit bull charging us on my right. Instinctively, I pushed her behind me, squared up to the dog, and kicked the living **** out of him dead in the snout with the toe of the dress shoes I was wearing. Surprisingly it worked and the dog put its tail between its legs and walked away. Now if that were to happen today, I am not sure how I would handle the situation knowing I am always armed. I am glad that dog didn't latch on to my leg. I think he was as shocked as I was about the whole situation.
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