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Old 08-09-2015, 07:39 PM
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:03 PM
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Interesting. They could have been watching the children, (there are all kinds of videos on youtube of drones videoing girls in bikinis) casing a neighbors property, looking through windows, (ala peeping toms) and after the drone flies over his property, the dude shoots it down.

While reading the comments, all the drone owners want him prosecuted for it. But none of then commented on the actions of the operators, justifying it by claiming they "were just taking photo's" at someone else's request.

My view; If I come out and your drone is hovering over my granddaughter, you'll need a new one.

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Hell Yeah,
The guy was probably using an upland chocked shotgun, with dove loads.


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Like I said, I see guys take out 4" targets with "dove" loads at 65 yards every week. We even have one guy that does it with a modified choke. Really not that hard.
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Like I said, I see guys take out 4" targets with "dove" loads at 65 yards every week. We even have one guy that does it with a modified choke. Really not that hard.


You mean to tell me theys let's y'all shoot guns in california?


In Kentucky, most upland shotguns are imp. cylinder or cylinder bore. (we're all gentleman quail hunters)


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Like I said, I see guys take out 4" targets with "dove" loads at 65 yards every week. We even have one guy that does it with a modified choke. Really not that hard.
I need to get those guys to a pigeon shoot! We'd all get rich!
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I don't get the whole hatred of drones.
There isn't anything to get or understand, other than the fact that there are a whole bunch of folks whose day-week-life isn't fulfilled if they aren't griping, whining, or ranting about something they don't like or something they disagree with. We all do it, of course, to some degree...but some people can't seem to function in society or on an Internet forum without doing it.

Oddly enough, a lot of the people who are ranting about drones, or pretending they know it all, are the same ones who rant about too much government control or intervention in our lives. These people now want the government, or "Them", to create new laws and regulations. Yessir, we all need more regulation, more structure, in our lives, that's for sure.

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We forum members have a hobby that a lot of people want to ban.
We sure do, don't we? And don't we get up on our self-righteous high horse when "They" start up about regulating anything pertaining to our hobby?

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I'm not a spy or pervert, I just like to fly.
There should be no need to deny anything or explain yourself here, just as there should be no need for someone who makes his own ammo or has a large gun collection to deny being a terrorist or a serial killer.

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We don't get much snow here in Georgia, but all of the neighbors wanted pics of their houses when we had a 6" snowfall earlier this year. Here's a "selfie" of me in my yard full of snow. There's nothing "spy worthy" in this shot at all.
That's a cool shot, I like it a lot. I love winter landscapes, and I like the spontaneous/unplanned aspect of the photo. As a photographer, I'd love to be able to do that. And just think of the wildlife photography you could do! But I don't have a drone, or the money to get into another hobby.

Plus, I wouldn't want the lynch mob showing up on my property with torches and pitchforks.

By the way, thanks for one of the more intelligent posts in this thread.
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Facts? You've been watching too much TV. An infrared camera cannot see inside your house.

They can't even see through glass:
WHAT???

Do you mean to tell me that those scenes from Enemy Of The State with Gene Hackman and Will Smith weren't true!!!!
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https://www.full30.com/video/b637121...e53?ref=ASMDSS

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This thread still going? Kinda just drones along, doesn't it?
Bwa ha ha ha ha! See what I did there? Bwa ha ha!

Oh, sorry. Seriously, it's been a long day and it's really hot here, really, I'm sorry....
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You are not sorry :P
And I don't mind at all!
As the OP, I think you might have just sewn this here thread shut.
A fitting, final frivolity.
I never expected it to take off and fly so far.
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i'm just waiting for some yahoo to pepper a drone and then find out the drone belonged to the local police dept or a federal agency. they are in common use by law enforcement all over the country.
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Aloha,

It has started.

The news last night had a report of a drone looking into the bedroom window of a woman.

Police were called. No laws that they know of was broken.

What would happen if a Small hand held laser pointer was directed at the camera under the drone?

Would the laser damage the electronics of the camera?

We know it is against the law to shine a laser at the pilots of an airplane.

What about a camera on the drone.
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It has started. The news last night had a report of a drone looking into the bedroom window of a woman. Police were called. No laws that they know of was broken.
Where is Hawaii 5-0 when you need them? I'll bet Steve would know how to deal with those pesky drones.

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Well the rounds I pictured in the first post were assuredly photoshopped jokes, but these appear to be real.
Simply repackaged goose loads.
Snake River Shooting Announces Drone Munition Now Shipping
Steel is a good idea as the pellets travel even less far than lead.
AND they are super-green!
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I'm not so much surprised at all the bravado in this thread as I am at the people coming down on the other side of the fence and rationalizing an invasion of personal space/privacy. C'mon! Just because many people deliberately use cell phones and surf the Internet, expressly or implicitly allowing cell phone providers and app creators to track our movements and potentially control our mobile devices remotely, while willfully enabling tech companies to sell the data they collect on us for profit by virtue of our voluntary activities does not mean that we should simply accept without a fight that we now live in a world in which strangers feel entitled to eavesdrop or point their camera into our private lives.

The manner in which the "perpetrator" downed the pesky drone is a distraction (and anyway, it's not as if he shot the drone operator). The real issue is whether or not we still have a reasonable expectation of privacy from uninvited bipedal or aerial snoopers on our own property. If we shouldn't expect privacy in public, and can't expect privacy when we intentionally connect to the Internet or use our cell phones (or simply leave them on), we ought to at least have a defensible right against invasions of privacy on our own property! If we as a society place more value in the drone operator's expectation of entitlement than the property owner's expectation of privacy in a case like this, then we deserve what comes next.
If its my backyard, then its not legal for a private citizen to fly it above my property, as my state is one of those who made it illegal. So i will tell the judge, your honor i was trying to apprehend the evidence of illegal activity taking place on my
property. None of the law enforcement activity in my area has
drones either, so i can make a safe assumption that its an illegal scoff law that don't respect our laws. I don't think they will
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This should be a good addition to the back yard for taking out those pesty drones!


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The news last night had a report of a drone looking into the bedroom window of a woman.

Police were called. No laws that they know of was broken.

What about a camera on the drone.
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I cannot think of a statute here that would be violated by lasering the camera, except maybe "Malicious Mischief", which is more or less intentional destruction of another person's property. And that would require that the camera be damaged; not my skillset, but I doubt it.

As for the bedroom window thing, depending on the facts, under state law here, that could be "voyeurism", which is a felony (with all the problems that presents for the future) and a "sex offense", so registration and all that fun stuff. I'd file it, and I think most of my colleagues would.

A county to the north of us had a trial last year in which someone was charged for shooting down a drone over their property. "Not guilty" verdict. Some of that may have been driven by the fact that the drone owner is from the I5 Corridor, compounding the privacy advocate concerns about the drone. I am not sure, since I am not in the criminal division, but I doubt anyone in my office would be inclined to charge a drone shooter. I am not going to advocate shooting down drones because of the collateral risks, but it sure won't bother me.

The selfish behavior of drone owners has interfered with fire fighting and other public safety duties here. I am pretty sure that such will become a crime in a lot of places as a result.
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I have a drone but no camera on it 99% of the time (only when I am filming dirt bikes at the track or something along those lines) Because if something happens and I lose the drone, I don't want to ALSO lose a $500 camera along with it.

And I am absolutely sick of people giving me **** in public open areas that I am spying on them. People DO fly them just to fly them. Stop assuming everyone on earth is a pervert. I don't know who started this hysteria that every drone is filming you but I assure you that if you took 1000 drone pilots, 999 of them would never spy on someone, but 1000 of them have been accused of it by someone who is too ugly for anyone to want to spy on to begin with lol. There are some sure, and if they are doing something shady, blow it out of the air, but its INCREDIBLY rare. Don't automatically assume the pilot is doing anything wrong or is even filming. Some people use cameras to fly to race them. (A buddy of mine does that, its pretty crazy to watch his footage of him darting around trees at speed)


Now the guys that fly them into places where they interfere with legit activities, not only should it be shot down but they should go home with either a HUGE fine (I am talking $10k+) or in taken away in handcuffs, and a huge fine. There is no excuse for that kind of stupidity.

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I won't worry about shooting a govt. drone. If it is low enough over my homestead to shoot with a shotgun I will call it an illegal search. Larry
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Default Some FAA information about operating commercial drones

I had not intended to extend this, at some times very silly, thread.
However I came across an article that is interesting, fairly official, legal information regarding (the commercial use of) drones or "unmanned aircraft systems".

I am a retired broadcast engineer and get several radio and TV engineering rags online.
One of them posted a link to this article intended for news gathering organizations.

The legal picture for hobby use I liken to a light fog bank: not clear at all if it's even there.
For commercial use it's more like a quagmire or pig sty.
The potential connection is that some folks would like to make the hobby users go thru much of the official riga-marole that the business people now have to.
These rules, like many things the feds do, seems to change about as often as NASCAR rules.

One thing to notice in these rules and procedures is limitation to NOT fly over the public without permission.
" no drone-flying over (or within 500 feet of) “nonparticipating” persons unless those persons (a) are protected by adequate barriers or structures or (b) have given their consent and the operation doesn’t constitute an undue hazard to them."

This kind of language would put the kibosh on most of the drone activity discussed previously.

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The FAA's Drone Drill: An Introduction
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New York City teacher arrested hours after drone crash at US Open

“reckless endangerment, reckless operation of a drone and operating a drone outside the prescribed area.”

The one they will get him on is operating too close to the airport, maybe reckless endangerment.
Not sure there is a statute for reckless operation of a drone.
Then again in NYC if it not mandatory, it's banned.
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^ He is a first rate idiot, and people like him are why so many of us dislike drones, and why drone operators who are not idiots will have stringent restrictions. It is to be hoped, but I am sure it won't happen, that he spends at least a few days on Rikers.
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Default A completely different take on drone shooting (sheriff says it's legal)

Drone shot down at Oklahoma Senator's fundraiser

Despite the breathless pro-PETA tone of the article the last sentence is important:

"A spokesperson for S.H.A.R.K. also said the sheriff refused to investigate the fall of the drone, insisting that shooting a drone is not illegal."

I suspect this will not be the last drone lost while harassing hunters.
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A Bullitt County District Court Judge has dismissed all charges against Mr. Merideth.
Judge dismisses charges for man who shot down drone - WDRB 41 Louisville News
Nice to see some sanity prevail (not that this resolves any of the problems going forward with these situations).
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Judge rules in favor of “Drone Slayer,” dismisses lawsuit filed by pilot | Ars Technica
This is STILL in the courts.
Drone owner filed in federal court and basically they (the court) said no this belongs back in local jurisdiction.
The FAA was not involved in this particular suit.

"As the consumer drone age has taken flight, legal scholars have wondered about this exact situation. If a drone flies over private property, is it trespassing? The short answer is that American courts have not addressed the question adequately. The best caselaw on the issue dates back to 1946, long before inexpensive consumer drones were technically feasible. That year, the Supreme Court ruled in a case known as United States v. Causby that a farmer in North Carolina could assert property rights up to 83 feet in the air."
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I thought I read where LAPD might've lost this one? Dunno, as I don't own a drone and don't keep up on this new area of the law.
LAPD Seeks to Ban Drones Over Police Stations | Officer.com

As far as the gentleman in KY ...

He mentioned "To me, it was the same as trespassing.". Okay, let's ask a couple simple questions. Does KY allow someone to shoot trespassers who aren't offering the threat of imminent serious bodily injury or death? Would he have been charged with the "first degree wanton endangerment" section reported if he'd discharged his shotgun into the air (in that area with neighbors very close) for a trespasser?

The damage to the personal property of the owner(s) is another matter, perhaps, and one which I known nothing about regarding KY's law. However, say the drone - or someone else's remotely controlled model airplane - were to have made a landing in the gentleman's backyard. Would he have felt entitled to have intentionally damaged it because it was on his property?

I won't presume to speculate about this incident, other than to offer that over the course of my career in LE, I've seen no particular shortage of otherwise normal folks sometimes make some rash decisions, or think they had the "right" to do something, and that thinking got them into trouble that could've easily been avoided.
Just wondering. These are remote control aircraft, some of which are large enough that their mass and spinning propellors pose a hazard to those on the ground if struck.
My BIL is a big radio control model airplane fan, and he and his colleagues cannot legally operate them outside the boundaries of their flying field. I would think the same restrictions should apply to amateur drone operators. A drone is just another RC aircraft.
OTOH, I doubt one has a right to discharge a firearm or destroy the RC plane, especially in an urban or suburban area, but the victim could for sure complain to the local police for trespassing, or violating whatever the operating restrictions are for the craft, as well as file a civil suit for damages if there were any.

Somewhere in between shooting the drone down and doing nothing about your property and privacy being invaded is the boundary that defines where "the quiet enjoyment of my property" lies and the remedies for stopping or punishing a violation of that. The little I've read has suggested the drone boom has outpaced the law on this.

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Im seeing a market for hunter/killer anti drone drones....


drone countermeasures | Popular Science

SkyDroner Anti Drone Surveillance System - YouTube

Robotic Falconry - Drone Catcher System for Removing the Intruding Drones - YouTube

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If they are close enough I would think a good fisherman could bag a drone with just about any kind of bait and a decent casting rig.
Civilian drones are not very sturdy or large.

Then there is this:
Drone Buster
A whole anti-drone security and jamming system for your home.
They aren't too specific about how it all works but you CAN pre-order!!
Capitalism at it's finest. They heard you say "market" and there they are.

Or you can avoid the FAA, BATF, and your local LEO and instead take on the FCC with one of these:
Drone Jammers
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When I get my own house, it will not be in a town or city. It will be in the country and I will shoot a drone. It would be no different than shooting on my range.

Second flying a drone over someone's property without the owners permission should be criminal trespass IMO. You're not shooting the trespasser, you're shooting a hunk of plastic.

Is shooting a peeping tom okay? No. But, you're not shooting him you're shooting at a hunk of plastic.

I believe drones can cause more harm than good and people will always use them irresponsibly. I have no problem with homeowners using them for target practice.

Better yet, shoot them with less lethal (rubber) buckshot. It will disable the drone, but not "endanger" anyone
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