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A roll of toilet paper a bolt, a battery and some copper wire can make a hjammer..
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I can't recall where I read it, but I thought one was legally able to shoot down a drone over his own property.
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What county in Washington prohibits discharging firearms? There is legal hunting in every county. IIRC you are in King County. Not counting rush hour(s) very few King County residents live more than a 45 minute drive away from one or more outdoor gun ranges. The large timber companies demanding you purchase one of their use permits before driving onto their property put a damper on a lot of the traditional plinking but there are still the national forests. I'm not sure if Warehouser has changed their policies but they used to be O.K. with plinking and might still be if you bought their use permit.
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It is illegal to discharge a firearm anywhere in King County unless at a range. Many of the state and federal shooting areas are being closed down because people act like buttheads.
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I bet you could duck tape a green laser on this and take out a drone at a hundred yards!
Assault with a deadly potato?
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They have pools with young daughters. Hoovering a drone over the people's pools is another factor. Sounds weird. They didn't pull the card out of the drone to see what's on it.
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I can't recall where I read it, but I thought one was legally able to shoot down a drone over his own property.
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There are numerous articles and legal opinions available online that cover shooting down of drones and the rights of property owners.
The concensus seems to be since early in 2014 is that no, it is not okay to shoot down a drone just because it's flying or hovering over your property.
No point in me wasting my time going into detail about this...y'all can click the mouse as easy as I can. Just Google something along the lines of "legal shoot down drones", and all sorts of drone weirdness will pop up on your screen.
But for all the shoot-'em-down guys, you might want to ask yourself would it be worth the time and expense of going to court once you made your kill?
Of course, you could always call Johnny.
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There is a sort of industry group that is creating a voluntary database that drone manufacturers agree to program into their drones so that drones will not fly over certain GPS coordinates, or at least that is what they claim.
Here is where you can add your property to the database to create a no-fly zone over your property.
https://www.noflyzone.org
Here is an article describing the voluntary industry solution:
NoFlyZone.org lets you geofence the area over your house for drones to avoid.
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That sounds good in theory, but not practical. In order for that to work, every drone would have to be GPS enabled. Some are, but the home made variety, which is a huge sector, can do what they want.
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Well, I don't know a lot about RC frequencies, but unless they are sweeping the fundamental, it's easy to block. You just need a bigger fundamental. The biggest problem is finding a generator in the correct frequency range that puts out enough power. They can be expensive.
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I don't know anything about fundamentals and generators, but at our house, we prefer to use our Invisible Death Ray Machine (pat. pending) to deal with those pesky drones.
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I agree, but it might be all we can legally do for now.
It is ridiculous when the government says they can control the airspace above THEIR (our) property, but WE cannot likewise control the airspace above OUR property.
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OK, here's a little primer on radio waves and how they're used.
Just like the signal on your car radio, Remote Controllers use a modulated radio wave to send control signals to the car or plane or quadcopter. They use a fundamental, or carrier, wave to "carry" the modulated information. If you have a generator that is capable of producing a fundamental larger than the controller, it will over power or jam that signal.
It doesn't need a lot of power either. A 1mW 2.4GHz signal will stop most remote controllers. Unfortunately, it will also jam most cordless phones and cell phones as well. So, don't just leave it on.
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What are we going to have to put up with next.
You want to fly a drone great, go to a park , public area, or on your own acreage type property, knock yourself out. You want to fly it in a housing type neighborhood or over someone elses property, you better get fined or people are going to get mad real quick.
I hate that there are photos of my house on google, someone wants to drive by my house and take a picture okay, but what gives google (or whoever) the right to put up photos of my house. I bet the CEO and others at these companies, homes are not on computer. Try flying a drone over some senator or congressman's house and see what happens to you.
Last week supposedly drones kept planes from dropping water at some fires here in CA. Thats pretty serious.
Unfortunately now we are going to need a whole bunch of laws to handle this mess, YUCK !!!
I like the jamming thing, maybe something that only goes out 100 yards or so... Wish I was a techie....Bob
Or maybe I will take up Falconry, I had a pet hawk when I was a kid he would attack anything flying, now thats an idea, Kamakazi Hawks!!
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What are we going to have to put up with next.
You want to fly a drone great, go to a park , public area, or on your own acreage type property, knock yourself out. You want to fly it in a housing type neighborhood or over someone elses property, you better get fined or people are going to get mad real quick.
I hate that there are photos of my house on google, someone wants to drive by my house and take a picture okay, but what gives google (or whoever) the right to put up photos of my house. I bet the CEO and others at these companies, homes are not on computer. Try flying a drone over some senator or congressman's house and see what happens to you.
Last week supposedly drones kept planes from dropping water at some fires here in CA. Thats pretty serious.
Unfortunately now we are going to need a whole bunch of laws to handle this mess, YUCK !!!
I like the jamming thing, maybe something that only goes out 100 yards or so... Wish I was a techie....Bob
Or maybe I will take up Falconry, I had a pet hawk when I was a kid he would attack anything flying, now thats an idea, Kamakazi Hawks!!
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I'm not a techie either. They only way I can think of to jam it is with buckshot!
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I bet you could duck tape a green laser on this and take out a drone at a hundred yards!
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When we ran out of potatoes, we put gravel in a hanky and shoved it down the tube. About as much gravel as what a potato weighs. It was a really NASTY shotgun, with all that huge "shot" blowing out of the barrel. We stripped a maple tree with an 4"-6" trunk of all it leaves. I know it would work better than bird shot.
After reading all the posts, should I ever shoot one down, I am getting rid of the evidence. "What drone, officer?"
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I guess most of you gunslingers have no idea how a drone works.
First of all if a drone is hovering 100ft above your property, does not necessarily means spying on your sexy body. Drones also used to video a scenery at an horizontal angle. Like if you are standing on a bridge it doesn't mean you are filming the bridge itself. You will be filming the city skyline!
Maybe it's a drone used by a realtor to show the neighborhood or maybe the outline of the next door property which is listed for sale.
I understand your fury if you see a drone 5 ft away from your teenager daughter's window. But still, even under that circumstance you need to find a way to bring it down without firing a shot in a populated area.
I didn't realize some of you were so sensitive about your privacy to a level that you'll agree that firing a weapon is ok towards a non-life threatening object.
What if your neighbor's teenager son on their roof looking towards your backyard and acting like fiddling with the dish antenna while checking out your wife by your swimming pool? Do you fire a shot towards him too?
When you see a helicopter hovering above your house do some of you guys run and grab your AR15s and start shooting at it ?
It's strange and also funny to me that some of you guys think only threat to your privacy is a toy drone operated by your neighbor deserves to be shot down! But in every other case your privacy is protected.
For example a drone camera does not have the zoom ability while a handheld video camera can zoom into your right eye from 3 house away.
Flying a drone below 400ft AGL airspace is legal. Just because you don't like drones, shooting them down during their legal operation with an excuse like it violates your privacy doesn't seem reasonable to me.
Again think about the consequences, if you take a drone down and if there is not even a 1 second long video file of your property or anything that violates your privacy on its sim card, that will be one hell of an expensive target practice for you!
If you have deep pockets and enjoy updating drone owners equipment go ahead by all means!
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I would say people are sensitive because of the camera, people don't like to be spied on, what's so hard to understand about that? How would you feel if a registered sex offender is flying a drone around your house? How about some thieves looking to see if anyone is home? You are cleaning your guns one day and a drone sees that and you become a target for a rip off.
I don't think any teenager is going to follow any FAA regs.
Here is what I predict will happen in the future.
Civilian drones will be involved with the following:
Crash into commercial aircraft.
Bombs and guns will be mounted to kill people. Probably start with the drug organizations in the US and then possibly Mexican drug cartels.
Reporters will use them to spy on actors in their homes.
Private investigators will use them for spying.
I can see how a pervert spying on people will someday get shot. It would not bother me one bit when that happens.
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he did the right thing. I support him. this was not jjust a simple flyover.
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The responding officers didn't know what to charge the guy with...
So, they went for wanton endangerment and criminal mischief.
It'll get bargained down to discharging a firearm in a city limits and pre-trial diverted.
That is, if the drone shooter doesn't cap any more of em in the next six months.
That purty much the way it works in the Commonwealth.
Also, if the county attorney is up for re-election, the charges may be drop all together.
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Drones, are they the new 'Peeping Toms' ????
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The issue of drones being used by peeping toms needs to be addressed. A case of the law not catching up to the technology.
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A response I posted elsewhere:
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There is no indication of voyeuristic intent on the drone owners. No peeping Tom. There was no trespass - one does own the airspace above ones property. There may have been an invasion of privacy, since the man said he has a six foot privacy fence. It depends on whether or not the fence provided complete privacy.
Whether or not the operator of the drone violated a law, the shooter definitely did. The drone could have come down on the street in front of his home and caused an injury accident, or struck another person. And even though shotguns have more limit effective range, the shotgun blast could have injured another person he didn't know was on the other side of his privacy fence. A single piece of shot, even falling at terminal velocity, could have blinded, caused other serious injury, or even caused a fatality. The shooter was arrogantly stupid. One potential violation of the law doesn't excuse another.
I'm not condoning the drone operator. But I think it's moronic to admire, condone, or emulate such wanton stupidity.
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In addition, there was no legal defense for destroying someone else's property. The shooter made a poor choice.
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Me thinks, me's struck a nerve, eh.......
When ya turn over a rock...Ya never know what ya gonna find.
When the responding officers returned the craft to it's owner, thus losing the chain of custody
of the evidence, they shot their own selves in the foot. No prosecutor is gonna touch this one with a ten foot pole.
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Is it? Can you post a law to this?
It would be really easy to jam the control frequency. Further, it would only take about 5 seconds of jamming to bring it down. How would he prove you did it? This is by far the best way to deal with pests and much preferable to shooting.
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Tons of info online but if your interested I would call or email the FCC and ask directly, perhaps it only applies to communications jamming but my interpretation is jamming any legal radio signal is looked down on by the FCC.
I just Googled it and a ton of stuff came up , this one looked interetsing
https://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/jammer-enforcement
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It looks like the Kentucky Legislators are going to be looking
at a bill addressing such issues as this one, this summer.
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How did he endanger property?
And some yokel shooting a shotgun up into the air in a neighborhood doesn't constitute any sort of danger, no matter how slight? Yeah, okay.
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You ever work with lithium polymer batteries? You ever seen one explode? Did I write anything stating that the shooter was right or wrong in his actions. You really shouldn't ASSume someone's opinion of a side of a story they haven't commented on.
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The article states that at times it was flying as low as 10' from the ground. At that height a good garden hose should bring it down. Knocking it down with a blast from a shot gun was just stupid... but I like the effect. But he was in his own yard and the drone was intrusive. Ideally, he should get his fingers rapped with a ruler and the drone owners denied any financial compensation. WTH, charge them with public harassment as well, or whatever would suffice.
At the end of that story link was a video news report on how numerous drones were interfering with fire fighting out in California, keeping rescue and firefighting helicopters from safely preforming their duties.
What's the saying about technology... "designed by geniuses to be operated by idiots".
It certainly applies here.
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I like the idea of using a water hose, most people have the right to water their lawn and sometimes a hose just goes crazy !
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Invasion of privacy.
Spying on the mans daughters and the neighbors daughters in there backyards at there pools. Perverts with drones and recording videos.
If it was over Area 51 or a government restricted air space would it be any different?
The areas that drones can access is limitless. No government laws yet?
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Water is the solution , anyone that complains you knocked their drone down with you garden hose is going to sound crazy and water is harmless coming down as droplets that water the lawn .
In my case there is nothing to see in my fenced backyard that warrants a 5 minute hover and its more like someone watching you from a ladder in a tree next door over your fence.....well at least since the stripper GF that used to nude sunbathe out back moved out ha ha ....(Darn)...
Of course maybe my sexy body gardening in a sexy pink negligee, Mexican sombrero and army boots is more of what they enjoy ?
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True enough. When I step out in public, I expect to give up some privacy. That cannot be avoided. Cameras are everywhere. Traffic, security, cell phones.
But when I am at home, I EXPECT TOTAL PRIVACY. And I will defend that right by any means I see fit.
Fly your drone over the park, lake, or shopping center. They are public places. Fine by me. Go ahead and fly over my property. I won't care.
But stop and hover to snoop around my place, I am havin' grilled drone for dinner.
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I am thinking about the tank destroyers in WWII. Really they were just tanks with an anti-tank gun and less armor. How about drone destroyers? A simple little fast hard-headed drone for crashing into other drones. Sounds cool to me, demo derby in the air. I really like the potato cannon idea.
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I'd love to see drones rammed or shot down with water, paintballs, two tennis balls connected by a piece of cord. Anything but a firearm. The firearm owner will always become the "maniac" in the news.
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I guess most of you gunslingers have no idea how a drone works.
First of all if a drone is hovering 100ft above your property, does not necessarily means spying on your sexy body. Drones also used to video a scenery at an horizontal angle. Like if you are standing on a bridge it doesn't mean you are filming the bridge itself. You will be filming the city skyline!
Maybe it's a drone used by a realtor to show the neighborhood or maybe the outline of the next door property which is listed for sale.
I understand your fury if you see a drone 5 ft away from your teenager daughter's window. But still, even under that circumstance you need to find a way to bring it down without firing a shot in a populated area.
I didn't realize some of you were so sensitive about your privacy to a level that you'll agree that firing a weapon is ok towards a non-life threatening object.
What if your neighbor's teenager son on their roof looking towards your backyard and acting like fiddling with the dish antenna while checking out your wife by your swimming pool? Do you fire a shot towards him too?
When you see a helicopter hovering above your house do some of you guys run and grab your AR15s and start shooting at it ?
It's strange and also funny to me that some of you guys think only threat to your privacy is a toy drone operated by your neighbor deserves to be shot down! But in every other case your privacy is protected.
For example a drone camera does not have the zoom ability while a handheld video camera can zoom into your right eye from 3 house away.
Flying a drone below 400ft AGL airspace is legal. Just because you don't like drones, shooting them down during their legal operation with an excuse like it violates your privacy doesn't seem reasonable to me.
Again think about the consequences, if you take a drone down and if there is not even a 1 second long video file of your property or anything that violates your privacy on its sim card, that will be one hell of an expensive target practice for you!
If you have deep pockets and enjoy updating drone owners equipment go ahead by all means!
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I believe that Texas is one of Seven States that it is illegal to
fly a drone over someone's private property except in certain law enforcement cases. If that is true then the owner of the
drone might need deep pockets if he is not law enforcement.
Here is one link i found regarding drone use in Texas on private property.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ate-drone-use/
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The firearm owner will always become the "maniac" in the news.
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I am a little surprised some rich folk especially the Hollywood types that get spied upon constantly have not already:
Purchased the tallest poles the FAA or the community will allow and put up netting over their property.
This is just aerial warfare come to us as a modern miniature.
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How about a drone anti-drone? Carries a 20 lb. fishing line hook or gill net attached with 3x leader. Fly above him with the net and nail him or catch his rotor with a hook. Maybe a Kamakazi drone? Sorry, I got carried away with impure thoughts. Take me back to the home please.
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Unfortunately now we are going to need a whole bunch of laws to handle this mess, YUCK !!!
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No, no, NO!!! We don't need any more laws!
The laws currently in place can handle this nicely if properly upheld. It's already illegal to spy on someone. It's already illegal to harm someone. It's already illegal to...
Those that want more laws don't understand what laws are for. Just like a law banning guns won't deter crime, neither will any restrictions or bans on remotely controlled toys. Punish the perpetrator not the tool.
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I believe, from the story, it was the action of the drone. So if a trespasser is leering at my granddaughter, or peering in my windows, or recording the contents of my carport with a vi
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Gentle men, I live in Kentucky, if you value your drone, don't send it to my back yard or window. I love bird hunting so a drone would present no problem for my .12 GA..I really would like to try my. 17hmr at a moving target. Recond the wind from one would have much affect on the little. 17 gr bullet. These are some questions i 've been pondering over in my mind.
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Just think, some day our reloading manuals will have a listing as to what loads good for drones. I would think a smaller weight bullet, maybe a plastic bullet.Any of you guys try, let us know what you come up with. I'm really getting excited....Maybe my S/W. 32 long 1903 HE.
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Didn't our vice Pres. Say" step out on the back porch and fire your. 12 GA a couple of time" or something to that affect..
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This bunch jest loves a good sinero....
Imagine this, a feller is relaxin' in the hot tube on his back deck,
let's jest say, enjoyin' a cold one and visiting with two or three of his
new aquaintances, i.e. female friends and along comes this here drone.
The mulit-rotor bladed creature hovers and stares intently at the group, as if studying each one present.
Somewhere in the nearby bushes lurks a seedy private eye at the R/C's control, the one that's
working for an even seeder divorce lawyer hired by his soon to be ex-wife.
And the question is, which would you recommend he use to dispatch said nuisance(s).
The common 12ga or the more sporting 28ga?
Is #9 shot appropriate?
Will steel shot be required if one resides near a waterfowl area?
Inquiring minds jest gotta know.
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