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Old 08-09-2015, 07:39 PM
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Interesting. They could have been watching the children, (there are all kinds of videos on youtube of drones videoing girls in bikinis) casing a neighbors property, looking through windows, (ala peeping toms) and after the drone flies over his property, the dude shoots it down.

While reading the comments, all the drone owners want him prosecuted for it. But none of then commented on the actions of the operators, justifying it by claiming they "were just taking photo's" at someone else's request.

My view; If I come out and your drone is hovering over my granddaughter, you'll need a new one.

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Hell Yeah,
The guy was probably using an upland chocked shotgun, with dove loads.


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Like I said, I see guys take out 4" targets with "dove" loads at 65 yards every week. We even have one guy that does it with a modified choke. Really not that hard.
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Like I said, I see guys take out 4" targets with "dove" loads at 65 yards every week. We even have one guy that does it with a modified choke. Really not that hard.


You mean to tell me theys let's y'all shoot guns in california?


In Kentucky, most upland shotguns are imp. cylinder or cylinder bore. (we're all gentleman quail hunters)


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Like I said, I see guys take out 4" targets with "dove" loads at 65 yards every week. We even have one guy that does it with a modified choke. Really not that hard.
I need to get those guys to a pigeon shoot! We'd all get rich!
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I don't get the whole hatred of drones.
There isn't anything to get or understand, other than the fact that there are a whole bunch of folks whose day-week-life isn't fulfilled if they aren't griping, whining, or ranting about something they don't like or something they disagree with. We all do it, of course, to some degree...but some people can't seem to function in society or on an Internet forum without doing it.

Oddly enough, a lot of the people who are ranting about drones, or pretending they know it all, are the same ones who rant about too much government control or intervention in our lives. These people now want the government, or "Them", to create new laws and regulations. Yessir, we all need more regulation, more structure, in our lives, that's for sure.

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We forum members have a hobby that a lot of people want to ban.
We sure do, don't we? And don't we get up on our self-righteous high horse when "They" start up about regulating anything pertaining to our hobby?

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I'm not a spy or pervert, I just like to fly.
There should be no need to deny anything or explain yourself here, just as there should be no need for someone who makes his own ammo or has a large gun collection to deny being a terrorist or a serial killer.

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We don't get much snow here in Georgia, but all of the neighbors wanted pics of their houses when we had a 6" snowfall earlier this year. Here's a "selfie" of me in my yard full of snow. There's nothing "spy worthy" in this shot at all.
That's a cool shot, I like it a lot. I love winter landscapes, and I like the spontaneous/unplanned aspect of the photo. As a photographer, I'd love to be able to do that. And just think of the wildlife photography you could do! But I don't have a drone, or the money to get into another hobby.

Plus, I wouldn't want the lynch mob showing up on my property with torches and pitchforks.

By the way, thanks for one of the more intelligent posts in this thread.
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Facts? You've been watching too much TV. An infrared camera cannot see inside your house.

They can't even see through glass:
WHAT???

Do you mean to tell me that those scenes from Enemy Of The State with Gene Hackman and Will Smith weren't true!!!!
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This thread still going? Kinda just drones along, doesn't it?
Bwa ha ha ha ha! See what I did there? Bwa ha ha!

Oh, sorry. Seriously, it's been a long day and it's really hot here, really, I'm sorry....
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You are not sorry :P
And I don't mind at all!
As the OP, I think you might have just sewn this here thread shut.
A fitting, final frivolity.
I never expected it to take off and fly so far.
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i'm just waiting for some yahoo to pepper a drone and then find out the drone belonged to the local police dept or a federal agency. they are in common use by law enforcement all over the country.
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Aloha,

It has started.

The news last night had a report of a drone looking into the bedroom window of a woman.

Police were called. No laws that they know of was broken.

What would happen if a Small hand held laser pointer was directed at the camera under the drone?

Would the laser damage the electronics of the camera?

We know it is against the law to shine a laser at the pilots of an airplane.

What about a camera on the drone.
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It has started. The news last night had a report of a drone looking into the bedroom window of a woman. Police were called. No laws that they know of was broken.
Where is Hawaii 5-0 when you need them? I'll bet Steve would know how to deal with those pesky drones.

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Well the rounds I pictured in the first post were assuredly photoshopped jokes, but these appear to be real.
Simply repackaged goose loads.
Snake River Shooting Announces Drone Munition Now Shipping
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I'm not so much surprised at all the bravado in this thread as I am at the people coming down on the other side of the fence and rationalizing an invasion of personal space/privacy. C'mon! Just because many people deliberately use cell phones and surf the Internet, expressly or implicitly allowing cell phone providers and app creators to track our movements and potentially control our mobile devices remotely, while willfully enabling tech companies to sell the data they collect on us for profit by virtue of our voluntary activities does not mean that we should simply accept without a fight that we now live in a world in which strangers feel entitled to eavesdrop or point their camera into our private lives.

The manner in which the "perpetrator" downed the pesky drone is a distraction (and anyway, it's not as if he shot the drone operator). The real issue is whether or not we still have a reasonable expectation of privacy from uninvited bipedal or aerial snoopers on our own property. If we shouldn't expect privacy in public, and can't expect privacy when we intentionally connect to the Internet or use our cell phones (or simply leave them on), we ought to at least have a defensible right against invasions of privacy on our own property! If we as a society place more value in the drone operator's expectation of entitlement than the property owner's expectation of privacy in a case like this, then we deserve what comes next.
If its my backyard, then its not legal for a private citizen to fly it above my property, as my state is one of those who made it illegal. So i will tell the judge, your honor i was trying to apprehend the evidence of illegal activity taking place on my
property. None of the law enforcement activity in my area has
drones either, so i can make a safe assumption that its an illegal scoff law that don't respect our laws. I don't think they will
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This should be a good addition to the back yard for taking out those pesty drones!


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The news last night had a report of a drone looking into the bedroom window of a woman.

Police were called. No laws that they know of was broken.

What about a camera on the drone.
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I cannot think of a statute here that would be violated by lasering the camera, except maybe "Malicious Mischief", which is more or less intentional destruction of another person's property. And that would require that the camera be damaged; not my skillset, but I doubt it.

As for the bedroom window thing, depending on the facts, under state law here, that could be "voyeurism", which is a felony (with all the problems that presents for the future) and a "sex offense", so registration and all that fun stuff. I'd file it, and I think most of my colleagues would.

A county to the north of us had a trial last year in which someone was charged for shooting down a drone over their property. "Not guilty" verdict. Some of that may have been driven by the fact that the drone owner is from the I5 Corridor, compounding the privacy advocate concerns about the drone. I am not sure, since I am not in the criminal division, but I doubt anyone in my office would be inclined to charge a drone shooter. I am not going to advocate shooting down drones because of the collateral risks, but it sure won't bother me.

The selfish behavior of drone owners has interfered with fire fighting and other public safety duties here. I am pretty sure that such will become a crime in a lot of places as a result.
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I have a drone but no camera on it 99% of the time (only when I am filming dirt bikes at the track or something along those lines) Because if something happens and I lose the drone, I don't want to ALSO lose a $500 camera along with it.

And I am absolutely sick of people giving me **** in public open areas that I am spying on them. People DO fly them just to fly them. Stop assuming everyone on earth is a pervert. I don't know who started this hysteria that every drone is filming you but I assure you that if you took 1000 drone pilots, 999 of them would never spy on someone, but 1000 of them have been accused of it by someone who is too ugly for anyone to want to spy on to begin with lol. There are some sure, and if they are doing something shady, blow it out of the air, but its INCREDIBLY rare. Don't automatically assume the pilot is doing anything wrong or is even filming. Some people use cameras to fly to race them. (A buddy of mine does that, its pretty crazy to watch his footage of him darting around trees at speed)


Now the guys that fly them into places where they interfere with legit activities, not only should it be shot down but they should go home with either a HUGE fine (I am talking $10k+) or in taken away in handcuffs, and a huge fine. There is no excuse for that kind of stupidity.

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Default Some FAA information about operating commercial drones

I had not intended to extend this, at some times very silly, thread.
However I came across an article that is interesting, fairly official, legal information regarding (the commercial use of) drones or "unmanned aircraft systems".

I am a retired broadcast engineer and get several radio and TV engineering rags online.
One of them posted a link to this article intended for news gathering organizations.

The legal picture for hobby use I liken to a light fog bank: not clear at all if it's even there.
For commercial use it's more like a quagmire or pig sty.
The potential connection is that some folks would like to make the hobby users go thru much of the official riga-marole that the business people now have to.
These rules, like many things the feds do, seems to change about as often as NASCAR rules.

One thing to notice in these rules and procedures is limitation to NOT fly over the public without permission.
" no drone-flying over (or within 500 feet of) “nonparticipating” persons unless those persons (a) are protected by adequate barriers or structures or (b) have given their consent and the operation doesn’t constitute an undue hazard to them."

This kind of language would put the kibosh on most of the drone activity discussed previously.

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The FAA's Drone Drill: An Introduction
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New York City teacher arrested hours after drone crash at US Open

“reckless endangerment, reckless operation of a drone and operating a drone outside the prescribed area.”

The one they will get him on is operating too close to the airport, maybe reckless endangerment.
Not sure there is a statute for reckless operation of a drone.
Then again in NYC if it not mandatory, it's banned.
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^ He is a first rate idiot, and people like him are why so many of us dislike drones, and why drone operators who are not idiots will have stringent restrictions. It is to be hoped, but I am sure it won't happen, that he spends at least a few days on Rikers.
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Default A completely different take on drone shooting (sheriff says it's legal)

Drone shot down at Oklahoma Senator's fundraiser

Despite the breathless pro-PETA tone of the article the last sentence is important:

"A spokesperson for S.H.A.R.K. also said the sheriff refused to investigate the fall of the drone, insisting that shooting a drone is not illegal."

I suspect this will not be the last drone lost while harassing hunters.
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A Bullitt County District Court Judge has dismissed all charges against Mr. Merideth.
Judge dismisses charges for man who shot down drone - WDRB 41 Louisville News
Nice to see some sanity prevail (not that this resolves any of the problems going forward with these situations).
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Judge rules in favor of “Drone Slayer,” dismisses lawsuit filed by pilot | Ars Technica
This is STILL in the courts.
Drone owner filed in federal court and basically they (the court) said no this belongs back in local jurisdiction.
The FAA was not involved in this particular suit.

"As the consumer drone age has taken flight, legal scholars have wondered about this exact situation. If a drone flies over private property, is it trespassing? The short answer is that American courts have not addressed the question adequately. The best caselaw on the issue dates back to 1946, long before inexpensive consumer drones were technically feasible. That year, the Supreme Court ruled in a case known as United States v. Causby that a farmer in North Carolina could assert property rights up to 83 feet in the air."
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I thought I read where LAPD might've lost this one? Dunno, as I don't own a drone and don't keep up on this new area of the law.
LAPD Seeks to Ban Drones Over Police Stations | Officer.com

As far as the gentleman in KY ...

He mentioned "To me, it was the same as trespassing.". Okay, let's ask a couple simple questions. Does KY allow someone to shoot trespassers who aren't offering the threat of imminent serious bodily injury or death? Would he have been charged with the "first degree wanton endangerment" section reported if he'd discharged his shotgun into the air (in that area with neighbors very close) for a trespasser?

The damage to the personal property of the owner(s) is another matter, perhaps, and one which I known nothing about regarding KY's law. However, say the drone - or someone else's remotely controlled model airplane - were to have made a landing in the gentleman's backyard. Would he have felt entitled to have intentionally damaged it because it was on his property?

I won't presume to speculate about this incident, other than to offer that over the course of my career in LE, I've seen no particular shortage of otherwise normal folks sometimes make some rash decisions, or think they had the "right" to do something, and that thinking got them into trouble that could've easily been avoided.
Just wondering. These are remote control aircraft, some of which are large enough that their mass and spinning propellors pose a hazard to those on the ground if struck.
My BIL is a big radio control model airplane fan, and he and his colleagues cannot legally operate them outside the boundaries of their flying field. I would think the same restrictions should apply to amateur drone operators. A drone is just another RC aircraft.
OTOH, I doubt one has a right to discharge a firearm or destroy the RC plane, especially in an urban or suburban area, but the victim could for sure complain to the local police for trespassing, or violating whatever the operating restrictions are for the craft, as well as file a civil suit for damages if there were any.

Somewhere in between shooting the drone down and doing nothing about your property and privacy being invaded is the boundary that defines where "the quiet enjoyment of my property" lies and the remedies for stopping or punishing a violation of that. The little I've read has suggested the drone boom has outpaced the law on this.

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If they are close enough I would think a good fisherman could bag a drone with just about any kind of bait and a decent casting rig.
Civilian drones are not very sturdy or large.

Then there is this:
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A whole anti-drone security and jamming system for your home.
They aren't too specific about how it all works but you CAN pre-order!!
Capitalism at it's finest. They heard you say "market" and there they are.

Or you can avoid the FAA, BATF, and your local LEO and instead take on the FCC with one of these:
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When I get my own house, it will not be in a town or city. It will be in the country and I will shoot a drone. It would be no different than shooting on my range.

Second flying a drone over someone's property without the owners permission should be criminal trespass IMO. You're not shooting the trespasser, you're shooting a hunk of plastic.

Is shooting a peeping tom okay? No. But, you're not shooting him you're shooting at a hunk of plastic.

I believe drones can cause more harm than good and people will always use them irresponsibly. I have no problem with homeowners using them for target practice.

Better yet, shoot them with less lethal (rubber) buckshot. It will disable the drone, but not "endanger" anyone
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Well the FAA's drone regs just got upended.
Specifically the drone registration requirements got thrown out entirely as I read it.
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"A federal court has struck down the Federal Aviation Administration’s drone registration rule. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit today ruled in favor of John Taylor, a Washington, D.C. model aircraft enthusiast who challenged the FAA’s registration requirement in court.

“The 2012 FAA Modernization and Reform Act provides that the FAA ‘may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft,’ yet the FAA’s 2015 Registration Rule is a ‘rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft.’ Statutory interpretation does not get much simpler. The registration rule is unlawful as applied to model aircraft,” the ruling stated."
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This is certainly not going to slow down the unwanted appearance of drones in your backyard.
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I have a neighborhood creep that flies one around looking in peoples back yards, I have seen it twice and its annoying at best.
You know, every drone that flies over back yards isn't "peeping", and every drone isn't even camera-equipped. Just because someone flies a drone over his own neighborhood doesn't make him a creep or a peeping pervert.
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You know, every drone that flies over back yards isn't "peeping", and every drone isn't even camera-equipped. Just because someone flies a drone over his own neighborhood doesn't make him a creep or a peeping pervert.
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Don't say that, they'll just outlaw anything that shoots.
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The question isn't really if we have a reasonable expectation of aerial privacy, but do we have that right? We may have it under the 4th Amendment, but that might only apply to law enforcement searching for signs of criminal activity. All this is still a gray area.

My thinking is that we do have that right, but to what degree? Here's a personal "for instance". I can key in my home address right now, go to Google Maps, then click on "satellite view", and see my house. I can do a maximum zoom and distinctly see one of my vehicles sitting out back, and next to that vehicle is a black shape. I have two big black dogs. That black shape can be nothing else but one of my dogs. The dogs are the only black shapes in my back yard. I can scroll over to my neighbor's house and see one of them out in their back yard, though I can't tell if it's him or her. And that view is just with Google Light. No telling how much detail I could see if I used the paid version.

I can click on my cousin's house in Conway, SC, then go to "street view" and see her husband sitting outside in a lawn chair.

So where does privacy begin and end?

What are you gonna do? Shoot the Google Car as it drives past, photographing your property. Probably not a great idea.

Personally, I think this Kentucky guy acts and sounds like a jerk having a knee jerk reaction to a fairly mundane event. Thinks he's being "spied on" or something. And he's dumb enough to fire off a shotgun into the air in a neighborhood. And where's the proof the drone was spying on him or his family or his daughter or his dog or cat or whatever?

I wonder what's next on his hit list? Maybe the camera down at the corner convenience store, or the cameras in the bank. Or maybe that one up on the traffic light.

I hope he has to pay for the drone, the camera, and gets a fine on top of that.

In case y'all think I'm kiddin' about the Google Map/Satellite View thing...a screenshot is attached.
A Google Earth picture is a straight down view. They don't look in windows. Even with 'street view'.
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If it works only on frequencies that drones operate and have a limited range say 100' it may go. Let's build one and see 'how it flies'.
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Sounds like he's in an area where it's not allowed to discharge a weapon. Probably not a good idea with close neighbors and kids around.
Personally I would have held up a picture of my ex wife and watched the drone sputter out.
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I'm an AMA member and fly R/C and know that this pilot was wrong in his doings. He endangered property and everyone he flew near to. The AMA insures you for $2M for accidents (if the rules are followed) at a cost of $80.00 per year. IF the pilot was an AMA member, he'll probably get booted out and I hope he does.
It would be good to enact blocks to this kind of behavior before people are compelled to blow them out of the sky with guns.

Someone can look at somebody laying by a pool and there's nothing to be done, it's like looking out of a building window, but if somebody is violating your 'airspace' to do it. This airspace needs to be defined.

If I were to KNOW that a drone didn't have a spy rig on it I wouldn't care as much, but they still should have to keep it away from peoples houses.

Be aware that people are doing this and install good curtains just like you do door locks.

I hope that are laws that allow you to 'defend' against drones. One limitation could be to use small birdshot that is made from a lighter material. I just don't think it's right that guns are not allowed while people are allowed to abuse others with their drones.
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How did he endanger property?

And some yokel shooting a shotgun up into the air in a neighborhood doesn't constitute any sort of danger, no matter how slight? Yeah, okay.
Some droners fly their things around the Golden Gate bridge. Somebody said, "What damage could a three pound object do?" Well, if it hits a moving care, it's going to do a hell of a lot of damage. A drone falling on your head or crashing through a window or onto your car could be counted as 'damage.
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...that there ARE regulations and laws in place concerning guns, and I follow them. I don't point guns at other people, I don't shoot at them, their houses or property. Not even on my own property if it's not a life or death issue. I think that these laws and regulations are good and not excessive. I should also have the right to fly my drone but not hover around other peoples' property spying on them or endangering others. Right now, if a person shoots somebody or hits them in the head with a drone or even THREATENS TO, they'll have to answer for it.
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Why are you telling me this? I'm aware that a Google Earth image is looking straight down, even though you can 3D it and get a bit of an angle on the view. But straight down, yes. That's why it's called "satellite view".

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I know that, too. I'm also aware that the street view is done with vehicles, not drones.

Can you point out to me the part in my post that you quoted where I talk about looking in windows with Google Earth? No, I didn't think so.

My point is that our privacy may have been private at one time in the pre-satellite days. But it isn't now, and it never will be again, whether someone can use a device to peep in your window or not. You're being watched just about everywhere you go. A little drone is the least of your worries.

Shooting at a drone because one might fly over or pass close to your property? Because you think you're being spied on or something? What a total waste of time, energy, and ammunition.
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