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Hillview man arrested for shooting down drone; cites right to pr - WDRB 41 Louisville News

I think the authorities acted a little (ok, a lot) over zealously, but they really have no current legal guidance.
If it turns out we have no expectation of aerial privacy, our homes and the land they sit on are going to look very different in the future.
These things must easy to damage as I have seen several of these stories and not every shooter was a skeet or trap champion.
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Seems like the video on the drone should have been confiscated as potential evidence in a crime
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Interesting. They could have been watching the children, (there are all kinds of videos on youtube of drones videoing girls in bikinis) casing a neighbors property, looking through windows, (ala peeping toms) and after the drone flies over his property, the dude shoots it down.

While reading the comments, all the drone owners want him prosecuted for it. But none of then commented on the actions of the operators, justifying it by claiming they "were just taking photo's" at someone else's request.

My view; If I come out and your drone is hovering over my granddaughter, you'll need a new one.
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My view; If I come out and your drone is hovering over my property, you'll need a new one.

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Your drone comes to my window, it dies. You come to complain? Not a smart move.
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Too bad it's illegal to discharge a firearm in this county. But I'm pretty good with a slingshot.
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I thought I read where LAPD might've lost this one? Dunno, as I don't own a drone and don't keep up on this new area of the law.
LAPD Seeks to Ban Drones Over Police Stations | Officer.com

As far as the gentleman in KY ...

He mentioned "To me, it was the same as trespassing.". Okay, let's ask a couple simple questions. Does KY allow someone to shoot trespassers who aren't offering the threat of imminent serious bodily injury or death? Would he have been charged with the "first degree wanton endangerment" section reported if he'd discharged his shotgun into the air (in that area with neighbors very close) for a trespasser?

The damage to the personal property of the owner(s) is another matter, perhaps, and one which I known nothing about regarding KY's law. However, say the drone - or someone else's remotely controlled model airplane - were to have made a landing in the gentleman's backyard. Would he have felt entitled to have intentionally damaged it because it was on his property?

I won't presume to speculate about this incident, other than to offer that over the course of my career in LE, I've seen no particular shortage of otherwise normal folks sometimes make some rash decisions, or think they had the "right" to do something, and that thinking got them into trouble that could've easily been avoided.
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A lot of communities have laws against the discharge of firearms within city limits. However, is a Paintball gun a Firearm and would one have enough power to bring down a low flying drone? Fact is these things are becoming a serious problem in regards to violating Flight Paths and I would consider them a potentially serious invasion of my privacy if one were hovering overhead.
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This guy displayed sound and reasonable judgment. I hope his neighbors back him up in their statements and that he is ultimately vindicated.
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I am thinking even a good hose job might bring one down if it got close enough.
I use a hose professionally (work at a pool and clean it when closing) and am pretty good with it.
The law is barely catching up with the internet (and not doing a great job so far).
It will be interesting to see how this develops vis a vis the constitution and local interpretations thereof.

Since shooting at a drone is considered the same as shooting at an airplane by the FAA (and thus a federal crime),
does it not follow that operating one without a license should carry a susbstantial penalty as well?
Airplanes normally have to operate within strict guidelines of all sorts.
I don't understand why drones do not currently.
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I don't understand why drones do not currently.
Did you watch the OP's linked video? Guidelines are clearly referenced.
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It's easy to bring down a drone. Damage a propeller even a little and they become unbalanced and can't fly. One pellet from a shotgun cloud will do it.
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Did you watch the OP's linked video? Guidelines are clearly referenced.
I am the OP and did not watch the video as it doesn't play on my browser.
I probably did not allow the right script.
I only allow what is needed to read a story.
If it requires 15 more Javascripts and sites to show something I don't bother.
Allowing all scripts and sites is a good way to pick up malware.
Sorry if I posted without all the facts presented.
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As far as the gentleman in KY ...

He mentioned "To me, it was the same as trespassing.". Okay, let's ask a couple simple questions. Does KY allow someone to shoot trespassers who aren't offering the threat of imminent serious bodily injury or death? Would he have been charged with the "first degree wanton endangerment" section reported if he'd discharged his shotgun into the air (in that area with neighbors very close) for a trespasser?

The damage to the personal property of the owner(s) is another matter, perhaps, and one which I known nothing about regarding KY's law. However, say the drone - or someone else's remotely controlled model airplane - were to have made a landing in the gentleman's backyard. Would he have felt entitled to have intentionally damaged it because it was on his property.

I won't presume to speculate about this incident, other than to offer that over the course of my career in LE, I've seen no particular shortage of otherwise normal folks sometimes make some rash decisions, or think they had the "right" to do something, and that thinking got them into trouble that could've easily been avoided.
I believe, from the story, it was the action of the drone. So if a trespasser is leering at my granddaughter, or peering in my windows, or recording the contents of my carport with a video camera, hello to Mr. Rock Salt.
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reckless endangerment - heck he hit what he was shooting at!
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Folks in Deer Trail Colorado had a referendum to allow drone hunting and even sold drone hunting licenses for a while. They voted down the measure, but it sure made the news for a while. They were looked upon as the ultimate rednecks by the media but I kind of admired their sentiments.
Anytime you discharge a weapon inside the city limits around here you risk charges and potential loss of your rights in the future. What about collateral damages and knowing what is beyond your intended target?
I would prefer to keep my firearms from being confiscated and not have my carry permit revoked. I would save my ammunition for more serious threats.
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I don't know why he resorted to his shotgun, by his own admission he had his 40mm Glock openly carried when approached by the owners of the trespassing drone. With that kind of firepower he could take out a B17, much less a drone.

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I would think that a Bolo made with about 5' of 100# test fishing line and a couple of 2 oz sinkers would do a nice job of snagging drones. It maybe an aircraft, but aircraft have a min. elevation over private property. Somebody starts flying one low over my place and it is gonna end up a wreck. I bet the local Sheriff would laugh at the owner for crying about what happened to his drone over my property. I can fling anything I want into the air on my property, if he flys into it that's his problem. Another approach would be monofilament gill net. Commercial fishermen throw lots of it away after its a couple years old. People want to play with their toys fine. But, not on my place they won't for long.

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A lot of communities have laws against the discharge of firearms within city limits. However, is a Paintball gun a Firearm and would one have enough power to bring down a low flying drone? Fact is these things are becoming a serious problem in regards to violating Flight Paths and I would consider them a potentially serious invasion of my privacy if one were hovering overhead.
Yes a paintball marker AKA gun would bring one down I have had some nasty bruises on my body to testify to that. Also have broken several of the wifes's flower pots with mine. Just put the red dot on the sucker and send a string of balls at it. I have full auto fire. Yes at least here they are not firearms and can be shot in city limits.
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Discharging a firearm in the air , in city limits . NOT a good idea.
Hope he gets a $5 fine for it ...

Blasting a drone , hovering over your backyard.
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If it turns out we have no expectation of aerial privacy, our homes and the land they sit on are going to look very different in the future.
The question isn't really if we have a reasonable expectation of aerial privacy, but do we have that right? We may have it under the 4th Amendment, but that might only apply to law enforcement searching for signs of criminal activity. All this is still a gray area.

My thinking is that we do have that right, but to what degree? Here's a personal "for instance". I can key in my home address right now, go to Google Maps, then click on "satellite view", and see my house. I can do a maximum zoom and distinctly see one of my vehicles sitting out back, and next to that vehicle is a black shape. I have two big black dogs. That black shape can be nothing else but one of my dogs. The dogs are the only black shapes in my back yard. I can scroll over to my neighbor's house and see one of them out in their back yard, though I can't tell if it's him or her. And that view is just with Google Light. No telling how much detail I could see if I used the paid version.

I can click on my cousin's house in Conway, SC, then go to "street view" and see her husband sitting outside in a lawn chair.

So where does privacy begin and end?

What are you gonna do? Shoot the Google Car as it drives past, photographing your property. Probably not a great idea.

Personally, I think this Kentucky guy acts and sounds like a jerk having a knee jerk reaction to a fairly mundane event. Thinks he's being "spied on" or something. And he's dumb enough to fire off a shotgun into the air in a neighborhood. And where's the proof the drone was spying on him or his family or his daughter or his dog or cat or whatever?

I wonder what's next on his hit list? Maybe the camera down at the corner convenience store, or the cameras in the bank. Or maybe that one up on the traffic light.

I hope he has to pay for the drone, the camera, and gets a fine on top of that.

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Maybe good for a camouflage netting business!
Add a couple tanks and some SAMS in the netting!
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The question isn't really if we have a reasonable expectation of aerial privacy, but do we have that right? We may have it under the 4th Amendment, but that might only apply to law enforcement searching for signs of criminal activity. All this is still a gray area.

My thinking is that we do have that right, but to what degree? Here's a personal "for instance". I can key in my home address right now, go to Google Maps, then click on "satellite view", and see my house. I can do a maximum zoom and distinctly see one of my vehicles sitting out back, and next to that vehicle is a black shape. I have two big black dogs. That black shape can be nothing else but one of my dogs. The dogs are the only black shapes in my back yard. I can scroll over to my neighbor's house and see one of them out in their back yard, though I can't tell if it's him or her. And that view is just with Google Light. No telling how much detail I could see if I used the paid version.

I can click on my cousin's house in Conway, SC, then go to "street view" and see her husband sitting outside in a lawn chair.

So where does privacy begin and end?

What are you gonna do? Shoot the Google Car as it drives past, photographing your property. Probably not a great idea.

Personally, I think this Kentucky guy acts and sounds like a jerk having a knee jerk reaction to a fairly mundane event. Thinks he's being "spied on" or something. And he's dumb enough to fire off a shotgun into the air in a neighborhood. And where's the proof the drone was spying on him or his family or his daughter or his dog or cat or whatever?

I wonder what's next on his hit list? Maybe the camera down at the corner convenience store, or the cameras in the bank. Or maybe that one up on the traffic light.

I hope he has to pay for the drone, the camera, and gets a fine on top of that.

In case y'all think I'm kiddin' about the Google Map/Satellite View thing...a screenshot is attached.
Yep Google Maps are great but not real time. I can see my swimming pool in the back yard and my F350 in the front. Thing is the pool hasn't had water in it for about a year it does in the pic and I sold my truck 6 months ago. Someone is going to be real disappointed if they show up for a swim and plan on leaving in the F350. Don
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Too bad it's illegal to discharge a firearm in this county. But I'm pretty good with a slingshot.
But your Honor, there is a kid who fixed a drone to shoot a handgun that went virile on the internet. I thought it was a threat.
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It is hard for me to think the drone owner was not up to no good. I think him and his buddies were looking around the neighborhood for some skin. It is a shame that it will take one heck of an attorney to get the shooter off. Glad I'm not this test case!
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Seems like there would be a market for a device that jams the RF controls. Getting FCC approval might prove challenging though.
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Too bad it's illegal to discharge a firearm in this county. But I'm pretty good with a slingshot.
What county in Washington prohibits discharging firearms? There is legal hunting in every county. IIRC you are in King County. Not counting rush hour(s) very few King County residents live more than a 45 minute drive away from one or more outdoor gun ranges. The large timber companies demanding you purchase one of their use permits before driving onto their property put a damper on a lot of the traditional plinking but there are still the national forests. I'm not sure if Warehouser has changed their policies but they used to be O.K. with plinking and might still be if you bought their use permit.
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I'm an AMA member and fly R/C and know that this pilot was wrong in his doings. He endangered property and everyone he flew near to. The AMA insures you for $2M for accidents (if the rules are followed) at a cost of $80.00 per year. IF the pilot was an AMA member, he'll probably get booted out and I hope he does.
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We have some good ideas here. The paintball gun and hose have potential. I was going to suggest a nice quiet pellet gun or some sort of net if the drone flies low enough. I would return the drone to the owner if they came looking for it and would be unapologetic about the condition it was in. 'GoPro? What GoPro?'
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I hope this sets a precedent that puts the "droners" on notice.

All else I have to add is nice shooting.
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Yep Google Maps are great but not real time.
Sure, a Google satellite image isn't real time. My point is (was) that if someone wants to "spy" on you, there's very little can be done about it. Don't think there aren't satellites or other forms of aerial surveillance that can't watch you in real time. A drone, for instance, hovering over your home at...oh, say 1500 feet or 2000 feet that can watch you when you're outside, and can see infrared images of you inside.

That's no doomsday paranoia on my part, either...just the facts.
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I'm an AMA member and fly R/C and know that this pilot was wrong in his doings. He endangered property and everyone he flew near to.
How did he endanger property?

And some yokel shooting a shotgun up into the air in a neighborhood doesn't constitute any sort of danger, no matter how slight? Yeah, okay.
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A few bad apples are going to spoil it for others.

You can see it coming. Once the government agencies, like the fire department, started complaining about drones, it was set in motion.

Regulation is bound to get traction. There isn't going to be alot of sympathy for the drone community either. It's going to be, "They made their bed. Now they can lay in it."

The lack of responsibility of a couple operators are going to bring things like min/max alt corridors, min separation from buildings, people, livestock. It isn't going to take a rocket scientist to figure out it's a cash cow for things like registration fees, insurance, licensing, etc. I can't see how it's going to end any other way.
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Officer, I really thought it was them aliens coming back to abduct me again. I'm not going with them again, no sir. I let them have it.
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The Drones are just the first wave of scouts.

Next come the Terminators.

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I have a neighborhood creep that flies one around looking in peoples back yards, I have seen it twice and its annoying at best.

Jamming a frequency is illegal by FCC regulations and the cops are gonna hassle you if you fire any projectiles into the air because those projectiles have to come down sometime.

A decent water stream could knock one down and Im sure it wouldn't be hard to make something low volume high pressure that either attaches to a pressure cleaner pump or for higher volume a small portable pump .

Best of all how can anyone complain that you are squirting water at their drone without sounding insane or like a total peeping Tom pervert.

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They had a drone on TV news that could shoot back. Some one mounted a compact pistol on it and was flying it and shooting stuff. Don
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Your drone comes to my window, it dies. You come to complain? Not a smart move.
Anything that comes looking in my window won't be there long. Peep on me 00 will fly. I purchased a case of 00 before the cost went crazy. Good for blowing holes for ice fishing kidding Lmao.

My hunting camp is so bad my neighbor won't come there at night. Don't send a drone. Just knock on the door in the daytime be civil.

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Jamming a frequency is illegal by FCC regulations...
Is it? Can you post a law to this?

It would be really easy to jam the control frequency. Further, it would only take about 5 seconds of jamming to bring it down. How would he prove you did it? This is by far the best way to deal with pests and much preferable to shooting.
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I live in this state and police really close to this jurisdiction and know the laws. Sucks that this guy got arrested. I agree that the damage to the property was correct for the charge of criminal mischief, but the officers should have let the man take the case to court without an arrest. The laws for shooting a firearm in this area are simple, if you are doing it safely you are doing it legally. This means that the charge of wanton endangerment was a bull**** charge. Shooting birdshot upwards into the air(assuming not at an angle with possible people around that direction), is NOT putting people into grave danger of death or serious physical injury. The charge is incorrect and I hope he beats it. I feel sorry for this guy.
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Is it? Can you post a law to this?

It would be really easy to jam the control frequency. Further, it would only take about 5 seconds of jamming to bring it down. How would he prove you did it? This is by far the best way to deal with pests and much preferable to shooting.
The newer type radios that have been out for years now are hard to jam, but a sweep generator may work. Don
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I live in this state and police really close to this jurisdiction and know the laws. Sucks that this guy got arrested. I agree that the damage to the property was correct for the charge of criminal mischief, but the officers should have let the man take the case to court without an arrest. The laws for shooting a firearm in this area are simple, if you are doing it safely you are doing it legally. This means that the charge of wanton endangerment was a bull**** charge. Shooting birdshot upwards into the air(assuming not at an angle with possible people around that direction), is NOT putting people into grave danger of death or serious physical injury. The charge is incorrect and I hope he beats it. I feel sorry for this guy.
If it was a grave danger I would have been dead a long time ago. many a time sitting in a duck boat in Iowa I have had shot rain down on me it just happens in a public hunting area. I am sure the largest were probably #2s. Don
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