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I do t hate OC'ers at all. Depending on the situation, it's perfectly reasonable. I do it myself sometimes. But the fools with AR's slung over their shoulders? They're hurting gun owners more than they will ever know.
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Your original post started out with the 'guy with a huge glock' at the gas station, and then in the next sentence you called the guy an 'idiot' presumably for carrying a holstered SIDEARM.
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I fully support OC because it means that if you carry concealed and print accidently, then you not automatically branded a criminal.
But I do not and never will OC because in the society we live in today, it's just plain foolish whether it's legal or not.
In today's world, if you OC, then the thug who carries concealed will have the upper hand, and it's HE who gets to chose the time and place, not you.
OC makes you a soft target, and that's why it's foolish.
If I have to explain further why it makes you a soft target, then you probably shouldn't be carrying at all.
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No. It was Home Depot. Grown man, obviously mentally challenged, with a cocked and locked 1911 on his hip. He played with the riding mowers like my 8 year old does, while his companion, I'm assuming his mother, returned something. And I NEVER called him a retard.
And many here saw nothing wrong with it. Makes me wonder about their mental capacity. Maybe they should join him on he riding mowers. Make believe they're fighter pilots or drag racers.
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By "discretely" you mean "concealed" right?
First, I think your numbers are high by about 100%. Second there's also some percentage of the NRA (I'm a member too) that thinks UBCs are peachy I don't agree with them on that either.
OK the above paragraph is nonsensical any law banning civilian ownership over firearms based on open carry would be declared faster unconstitutional faster than you could call an open carrier in Home Depot a retard. (Not that you would ever say anything like that of course.....oh wait)
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No. I mean discreetly. Mine was tucked in my waistband. Bit if the grip exposed is all. Far cry from Rambo and his Blackhawk Serpa with his vanity plate.
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Your original post started out with the 'guy with a huge glock' at the gas station, and then in the next sentence you called the guy an 'idiot' presumably for carrying a holstered SIDEARM.
You clearly have a strong dislike for those who choose to simply carry a holstered sidearm, as was proved by your original post. Don't change the subject to slung AR's.
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Glock makes a bunch of different guns. Some are larger and not designed to be concealed. Others are designed for concealability. So a guy with a 19 in his waistband is no less armed than the guy with the full size in a tactical holster
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I'm a 2nd A advocate, Endowment NRA, support the RTKBA, yada yada.......except for the idiot next to me at the range shooting that S&W 500 mag, the guy at Walmart who acted a little strange today, my neighbor who owns guns but otherwise is a tool, the guy who got drunk at his wedding for the first time in his life, the guys who wear their pants down around their ankles, the folks who exceed the speed limits by 30 mph, and so on and so forth.
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Jeez, since when did we become so judgmental? Are some of us perfect? How hard do we need to look?
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No. I mean discreetly. Mine was tucked in my waistband. Bit if the grip exposed is all. Far cry from Rambo and his Blackhawk Serpa with his vanity plate.
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Somebody Open Carried a sidearm..... 
Who really gives a **** anymore? 
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Glock makes a bunch of different guns. Some are larger and not designed to be concealed. Others are designed for concealability. So a guy with a 19 in his waistband is no less armed than the guy with the full size in a tactical holster
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So what I'm hearing now, is that you're ok with Open Carry of a holstered sidearm as long as it conforms with YOUR constraints of what YOU think is acceptable. From what you just said, you're ok with OC as long as it's with a 'little pistol, not too big, and inside the waistband' and it's 'designed for concealment'.
I'm beginning to see better what your position is: OC within kbm6893's specified judgement of pistol caliber and size (no 45's, 9mm are perfectly good for us peons) are the only one's you don't hate.
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No. I mean discreetly. Mine was tucked in my waistband. Bit if the grip exposed is all.
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OK my Shield isn't much bigger than a 26 what if I'm carrying it in a pancake holster? Is that "discrete" enough?
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Only one person was killed in the original Rambo movie, and he fell from a helicopter hit by a rock while trying to kill an unarmed Rambo . . .
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I don't always OC, but when I do it ain't a Glock!
Usually this.
And this around the place.
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Only one person was killed in the original Rambo movie, and he fell from a helicopter hit by a rock while trying to kill an unarmed Rambo . . .
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Rambo was an obvious threat to the peace and tranquility of the town.
What was their excuse, frightening the populace? And then, did they charged him with all emcompassing obstructing governmental administration?
They couldn't use the dirty license plate scam.
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Didn't kill him . . .
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I don't always OC, but when I do it ain't a Glock!
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No. It was Home Depot. Grown man, obviously mentally challenged, with a cocked and locked 1911 on his hip. He played with the riding mowers like my 8 year old does, while his companion, I'm assuming his mother, returned something. And I NEVER called him a retard
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Here's the original quote you didn't use the word "retard"
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Did I click the wrong link and end up on the Mommies Demanding Attention Webpage by mistake?
There are so many facets to this issue it's hard to address them all in one post. I personally choose not to open carry but support the rights of those who choose to do so.
I don't think it makes other people nervous because most of the time they don't even seem aware of it. I know this doesn't count as data but every time I point out an open carrier to my wife she isn't even aware until I do.
Sure there are idiots that open carry and I fully support taking their right to do so based on their specific behavior if they do something stupid while open carrying but I don't want to see the majority punished for the actions of a few.
Does open carry make you a target? Sure it does sometimes but sometimes just being there makes you a target.
All in all unless you can show me statistically significant numbers of open carriers being robbed for their guns or causing legitimate public disturbances I'm going to come down on the side of personal freedom
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This. Wife never noticed them. Which is another issue entirely I'm working on with her
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Hey, this has gone from a bitchin bout open carry....
To an open carry picture thread, kool..... 
My open carry rig,
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Didn't kill him . . .
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In the book Rambo slit his throat and disemboweled him and wiped out the entire Sheriff's posse except Wilfred Teasle.
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Rambo was an obvious threat to the peace and tranquility of the town.
What was their excuse, frightening the populace? And then, did they charged him with all emcompassing obstructing governmental administration?
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In the book Rambo is picked up for Vagrancy in Madison Kentucky and given a choice : leave town immediately or face arrest
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In the book Rambo slit his throat and disemboweled him and wiped out the entire Sheriff's posse except Wilfred Teasle.
In the book Rambo is picked up for Vagrancy in Madison Kentucky and given a choice : leave town immediately or face arrest
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There are reasonable arguments for OC...there are reasonable arguments against OC. But the "it frightens people" is to be dismissed out of hand. The "Guns are Evil" mentality should not be encouraged. Reasonable people openly carrying defensive firearms should not alarm people and they need to get used to the sight of honest citizens going about armed.
Police who stop and question someone solely because the individual is armed are guilty of harassment.
Yes, there are clowns with guns. Just like there are clowns with cars...and motorcycles...and speed boats.
I subscribe to the late Col. Jeff Cooper's assertion that rifles are offensive and handguns are defensive in nature. Folks packing ARs claiming self defense use are full of it.
The 746 issue does need to be clarified and Gov. Hutchinson has made this a legislative priority.
I don't know if I will OC if it is deemed lawful. But it will be me making the choice either way and not someone else. We should all agree that OC should be legal and not condemn anyone who makes that choice. To do otherwise propagates the "Guns are Evil" mentality.
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In the Book Rambo is hitchhiking through Madison Ky. and is picked up by the Town Sheriff (A survivor of The Chosin Reservoir) Wilfred Teasle and taken to the edge of town and given a choice, keep moving or go to jail.
The book goes in depth on the conflict between Rambo and Teasle and how they were both trained for different battles. It's actually a good book but on the book Rambo and Teasle essentially kill each other although Trautman fires the final shot
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That was about 6 posts in, and there is a BIG difference in calling a person "mentally retarded", which is a clinical term(although outdated), versus "he's a retard". The term "retard" is univerally seen as a derogatory word. And I only used the phrase "mentally retarded" to try to get through to those who couldn't comprehend what I was saying by using the term "mentally challenged". The guy I saw had the mannerisms of a 5 year old. And he was carrying a loaded weapon. And there is something wrong with that.
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I go away for a few hours to run errands and this thread blows up, I like my popcorn salted, no butter.
Mr. Keith, you sure do make some pretty rigs.
For the record, I OC a big 1911 in 10mm, in <gasp> a Blackhawk Serpa.
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Here's my typical OC rig for the S&W M58 .41 mag.
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Restrictions are a slippery slope. But I recently read a report of some guy carrying a handgun in a Maine Walmart store, in a clip on holster ... dangling from his back pocket!
If the choice is between no open carry at all or "allowing" this type of carry, I need to say let him carry that way. But he's a pretty poor representative for gun owners.
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I happen to agree with you. I think open carry should be reserved for peace officers displaying a badge. Otherwise, it scares citizens. Even though we have constitutional carry in KS, I support the law though I do not agree with that part of it.
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I agree, we gun owners get enough negative publicity through the media, why open carry? I am all for carrying concealed, I just don't get the "in your face" open carry that makes the already scared sheople even more frightened.
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08-23-2015, 09:43 PM
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I'm on the side of "shall not be infringed."
If OC is legalized here, I may carry a big unscary gun on occasion.
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08-23-2015, 09:46 PM
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Still waiting to find out how one recognizes a Model 13 in a holster. Not so easy to do even outside a holster.
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08-23-2015, 09:51 PM
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Well!
I read all of these posts and other than a head ache I actually enjoyed most of them. I was some what surprised at the number of members that have a rather narrow view of the second amendment. I sure can not say that I love all of the pro gun laws that have been passed however I am willing to give gun owners to prove that they are mature and smart enough to conduct themselves properly.
When thinking back on the evolution of concealed carry that really started with Florida the media and anti gunners were predicting that blood would flow in the streets. With very few exceptions there have been no problems. My prediction for the current wave of open carry is that it will go as well.
We really need to show a united front because as many said the media is ready to pounce and use our own words against us. As for 4.5 million of the 68 million gun owners being NRA members I really don't understand how this can be. I guess that the current administration has doubled their membership. I hope that this trend continues! Later! Geo. T.
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08-23-2015, 09:55 PM
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I happen to agree with you. I think open carry should be reserved for peace officers displaying a badge. Otherwise, it scares citizens.
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I was once verbally abused by an elderly Nazi (he volunteered that he was pretty much sold on the Holocaust) working as a cleaner in a Lakewood, Ohio McDonalds.
Why? He didn't like my NRA ball cap. A lot of things either "scare" or "anger" stupid and or evil people. If I'm going to let them run my life, I might was well eat my own gun.
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08-23-2015, 10:07 PM
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I just don't get the "in your face" open carry that makes the already scared sheople even more frightened.
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I don't really care if they are scared of an inanimate object. If they are that scared they may as well pretend they have agoraphobia (which they may have) and stay locked in their little cocoon of their house and never venture out where they may become "scared". I can almost guarantee if the sight of a lawfully carried gun causes them to wet their pants, they have more issues than just guns.
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08-23-2015, 10:46 PM
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I think some of you need to get out of the echo chamber
And go read some of the anti websites.
They all say the same thing, there is no reason for a private citizen to carry a gun (concealed or otherwise) in public Period.
Listen, and understand! That Grabber is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely.will.not .stop. until you are disarmed
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Your rights have been terminated.
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