OH ya........ see post #16......... 50rd drum!!!!

I agree that a shotgun is a formidable home defense weapon, but if you are including male, female, all body types, young (adult) and old, the 12 gauge has too powerful of recoil to be confidently handled by everyone. Instead, I suggest the .410 shotgun. Able to stop any threat in a home, but light enough of a weapon as well as a controllable recoil. Make it a far better "One size fits all" gun.

The psychological benefits you have in a 12 gauge pump action shotgun all exist in it's little cousin. The tell-tale racking a round into the chamber sounds the same, and as someone who has heard the blast of a .410 indoors is enough to dissuade even a half-wit that his choice of criminal activities needs reevaluated.

This:

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I have handguns, a rifle, and a shotgun. My preference would be the AR due to the high round count, but realistically I would probably grab my G19 since it sits nearby on my nightstand.

the weapon you have at hand when the dirtbags come charging in your door.

My sincere thanks to all of you that took the time to give a thoughtful response to my question: Best Weapon for Home Defense against Home Invasion?. It is much appreciated, and I have learned a lot from your posts.

When I first decided that I needed to do something to protect against a home invasion, my greatest fear, and my expectation, was that a crazed intruder would break into my house in the middle of the night while I was asleep in my bedroom.

Let me first stipulate that there are number of things a home owner can do, and should do, to prevent a home invasion.
The following discussion is concerned with what happens if the intruder decides to continue his attack in spite of these measures.

It seems that reliable home invasion statistics are hard to come by (if you know of a good source, please post), and clearly vary state-to-state, community-to-community. So I don't have any hard statistics, but after considerable research it seems to me that most home invasions occur at time other than my initial concern. It seems that I am more likely to be confronted with a home invasion when I am not in my bedroom asleep, but at times when I am likely to be outside of my bedroom.

I have learned that the right shotgun, recommended by many, is a great defensive weapon IF, and ONLY IF, you have immediate access to it when the invasion occurs, OR, you can stop/repel the intruder long enough to get to the shotgun. I am an independent consultant, and work mostly out of my home. So during my waking hours, I am either in my study/office, or in the family/TV/home theater room. Of course, some time in the kitchen, bathroom, and (my favorite) out back on the deck (hopefully grilling a steak). IOW, NOT in my bedroom (where I'm most likely to keep a shotgun).

IMO, like any defense, you need to have layers of defense against home invasion.
The most important of which is to survive the initial attack (otherwise it doesn't matter).
So, it seems to me, and others {1}, that the best line of initial defense is the weapon you have with you or on you. This logic quickly leads to always carrying a gun in your own home, which probably means a LCP. Regardless of the caliber and magazine size, the primary purpose is to either convince the intruder to flee; or to slow the intruder down; or to stop the intruder (head shot). IOW, give you time, if needed, to get to more superior firepower, like a shotgun.

The responses in Ref#2 seem to indicate that a very high percentage of people who carry, also carry in their home, or at least have a pistol in close proximity in all areas of the house.

No doubt there is no one "best" weapon against home invasion.

As @Rastoff stated,
I totally agree with this. Still, we must select the weapons that work best for each of us, and then train with them. Given that, there are some pistols and some shotguns that probably work better for home defense. This can vary somewhat person to person.

This is definitely a work in progress.

Thanks again to all that contributed.

{1} REFERENCES:
1. Best Weapon For Home Defense
2. do you carry at home?

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RSanchIII is apparently a former or perhaps presently still a law enforcement officer. I give LEOs the benefit of the doubt in most things and when he says that home invasions are not quick I'll concede to his experience. However, the following is just hot air and meaningless, especially coming from a police officer - I'm not picking on you directly, RSanch, this is not personal, but you fired off the cuff and this specific comment has no substance:

My next door neighbor's home was built precisely one year ago. They paid $500,000 for their home. There is a house across the street rumored to have sold for a similar price. Three or four doors down from that one is another home, an older home with less modernization, that I KNOW sold for $360,000. So let's at least agree that I live in a reasonable neighborhood. Before I lived here I lived in another neighborhood where the least expensive home today is between 200 to 300 thousand dollars and the median price is probably $350,000. New construction there will most assuredly be 600,000 bucks. So let's call that a reasonable neighborhood, too.

Living in a reasonably safe neighborhood has NEVER stopped me from carrying a gun around the house, being armed to take out the trash, being armed to trim bushes, whatever. Never mind having weapons in various places for easy access. Further, I have two dogs, dead bolts, and door wedges, so I'm already there in my tidy, reasonably safe neighborhood. Why? Maybe I'm paranoid. I'll accept that. Or maybe I know when seconds count the police are just minutes away. I'll accept that, too.

Because:

Criminals know that reasonably safe neighborhoods are where there is valuable property to steal.

Home invasions are not overly common in this city but when they happen they don't just happen in crack houses. They happen when criminals cruise the neighborhoods looking for targets of opportunity and law enforcement officers know this. People with 60 inch TVs who leave the box outside after they install the thing and then leave their curtains open whilst they watch TV or otherwise go about their business, allowing anyone to see the electronics, the expensive paintings, the clocks, whatever, these are the people who are targets for home invasions. People who are older, look weak, look wealthy, these are the targets for home invasions.

So, no, nobody needs to move to a better neighborhood (on another thread someone took great umbrage at this suggestion and it was a correct response because he literally could NOT move to a better neighborhood - but I'm already IN a better neighborhood so, no, moving is ridiculous to suggest). Preparation is the key to a sound defense. If you want to come home and lock your gun in a drawer and be unarmed all night that's your call but if you can afford to own a houseful of guns* then placing a few in strategic places is good common sense.

*The newbie to guns has only one. Maybe he gets two. maybe never gets more than two. The gun enthusiast starts with one, quickly moves to two, and it grows from there. I'm an older guy now and I've been doing the gun enthusiast thing for decades. With all of the guns that i have acquired I'd be a fool to simply lock them all away and not be prepared for every eventuality. Thus, I am prepared, even in my reasonably safe neighborhood, locked doors, and dogs. YMMV.

Moving to a better neighborhood reduces your chance for home invasion. Criminals are less likely to commit home invasion or robbery in better neighborhoods.

These are facts that people twist by saying that criminals target these people. Sure they do, not as much as those in worse neighborhoods.

Personally I also think it extremely paranoid to hide guns around the house, but you can if you want. I really doubt one will be flying towards a gun as the door is kicked in, but imaginations can take you anywhere. Store your guns everywhere, I wont stop you, its America you have that right.

I don't have one but the Judge 410Ga. pistol seems like a good bet. I believe it also can take a .45 ACP. With this you have something that can be carried, concealed and available. It isn't likely to penetrate a wall or go through a person. I have seen the the 410 shells available in Walmart (CA) although the gun is not legal in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.

Sorry gents, but moving to a better neighborhood don't mean squat. It's a false sense of security.

Tell that to the nice folks I have helped after they were victims of a home invasion simply because they lived in a very nice home with a Mercedes and BMW parked in the driveway.

Anyone can be targeted for a variety of reasons. There is no safe haven. Even gated communities have their problems.

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You cannot equate a crack house environment to middle or upper class. Location does not only apply to resale. It applies to vulnerability.

It is unfortunate that the least wealthy endure this reality everyday. I'm speaking for victims, not bandits.

Send a thought to those less fortunate. Thanksgiving is fast approaching.

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Speed! Speed and split second reaction time are important.

Having immediate access to a loaded gun is important. Jock Yablonski slept with a 12 gauge double right next to his bed; but, for the sake of his wife and daughter's comfort, Jock didn't keep it loaded; and, even when he realized that the threats against his life were very real, he still left the shells in a box next to the shotgun.

The Yablonskis' home got hit hard and fast. Jock didn't have time to load the shotgun; and he, his wife, and daughter - All - died in their beds within only a matter of seconds!

As always, precision shot placement is important. So are the angles and lines of fire - Which should always be thought-out beforehand.

The number of shots contained in one gun is important. Most home invasions begin and end very quickly; but two, five, or even eight shots might, very well, not be enough to quell the threat.

Training and frequent practice are important. Ideally, a home defender should be as fast and accurate when he is stunned and half-asleep as when he's wide awake, and blowing out target centers at the range.

'Marking your target' and being sure of your target's identity is important.

Forethought and experience are important. Being smart enough to require the target to come to you, rather than allowing your curiosity to get the better of you and going to the target is important.

Having the rest of the family know what's expected of them, as well as having other family members understand exactly what to do while, at the same time, staying out of the line of fire is important.

Ideally, you want someone else in the house to know exactly how to back you up; and this means that the other person is the one who uses the tac light, cellphone, and/or issues loud verbal commands.

Your job is to remain hidden, and only be responsible for operating the primary gun. I don't know, 'Why'; but, to far too many people, this is an exceedingly difficult self-defense concept to get across. (It might, very well, have helped the Yablonskis!)

I agree that: 'You are your own best weapon.' So the better trained you are, the better prepared you are, and the more willing you are to CORRECTLY engage an intruder/assailant the safer (or, at least, the more deadly) you're going to be.

Looking back over my life, for more than a decade, I used a ten shot semiautomatic pistol (A long-nosed Model 41 with which I was very good!) complete with two extra magazines to protect our home; but, the one time I actually needed it, I was downstairs; and the pistol was upstairs. (Not very good!)

On only one occasion did I ever keep a long arm underneath the bed. It was a semi-auto 22 LR caliber Browning takedown carbine. I never needed it; but, I was, 'between pistols'; and head shots with that little carbine would have been easy. Which brings up a highly relevant point:

At, 'room-size gunfighting distances' an eight or nine inch circle should be very easy for a competent marksman to (repeatedly) strike. Anyone who can't do this is, in my opinion, not going to be particularly advantaged by using any gun at all; and, if there's one thing no gun should ever be it's a, 'home security pacifier'.

(No, I am NOT generally recommending head shots as viable self-defense targets - I am not! What I am saying is that the ability to consistently and repeatedly put all of your shots into a 9 inch circle at, say, ten or twelve yards should be present and, if not, then it needs to be developed.)

If a homeowner can't use his weapon of choice, and use it well, then it no longer matters what firearm he's using. Some people can gunfight; and some can't. In the absence of any real skill mere possession of a gun isn't going to do a heck of a lot of good. So, once again, along with a gun the personal ability to precisely and repeatedly hit the target remains vitally important! Translation? PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!

If a homeowner is practiced with his weapon-of-choice then I, truly, don't care what gun is used. Nowadays, either my 45 ACP or my 9 x 19mm EDC is always with me. I shoot the heck out of them during the day; my proprioceptive reflexes are completely, 'dialed-in' to my Glocks; and their use is second nature to me.

I was once attacked in my home; the experience changed me for (apparently) the rest of my life. I'm never out of reach of a firearm. If I'm downstairs my EDC is downstairs with me; if I'm upstairs my EDC is there, too. When I take a shower it's under the towel; and when I sleep at night it's underneath my pillow.

Speed, availability, familiarity, and competence. These are the things that make one weapon more desirable than another. You need to be able to fight through the first two or three volleys. In my experience that will require a good twelve to fifteen rounds. After that, any immediate lethal threat should be over.

I used to read a lot of FerFAL's articles. The best home early warning system any home can have is one large dog (the grabber), and one small dog (the yapper). I completely - completely - agree with this recommendation.

I gotta keep 'em somewhere.

Sorry but statistics and facts state otherwise. It is a known fact that neighborhoods with higher income and housing have less crime than their less fortunate counterpart. To deny that is simply stupid.

Hamptons have less crime than section 8 housing areas.

The best weapon for defense against home invasion is the sub machine gun. Our fine governments have decided that we shouldn't have the best weapon for defense against home invasion.

Thanks to The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (sic), subguns are priced out of the average homeowner's reach. There is nothing in the design of subguns that makes them any more expensive to make that other guns, but government action has screwed up the marketplace (again), making them prohibitively expensive.

Considering the design of the Sten and the M3, I wouldn't be surprised if it were CHEAPER to make them than semi-autos. A tube in a tube, with a barrel and a bolt with fixed firing pin, a spring, and a trigger that holds the bolt back (for guns firing from an open bolt). Magazines are the only part requiring good quality.

My experience and the stats I have read say different.

People know where the money is. And it sure ain't in the projects or slums.

We are talking two different things here you and I because the types of crime in each area can be and usually are different.

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I'm seeing a lot of comments referencing statistics on this thread without any links to the source. If someone is making statements regarding various stats, show where you acquired the information.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-the-u.s.-2013

In regards to the issue of getting to the gun... Denver residents rarely use guns for protection in home invasions - The Denver Post

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To my mind much depends on where you live, e.g., apartment, neighborhood with minimum setback between homes, or on a ranch, as much as it does with one's ability to use their chosen weapon. Many things should be taken into consideration...

Dogs, alarms, cameras are all good deterrents to home invasion and burglary as well. Reinforce door jambs to make kicking in the door much more difficult. Steel doors rather than wood or fiberglass. Bars or security film on windows.

I keep a high cap 9mm near to hand if not on me at home. A 12guage pump is in the closet ready to go. There's nothing wrong with being prepared . . .

However, the only person I personally know who was a victim of a home invasion is a co worker. He was sitting home watching television one evening when he heard knocking on his door, and a voice outside, "Hey, we're here. Let us in." He says he thought it was his brother and some buds who sometimes come by and bring beer. So he opened the door to have a handgun shoved into his face while another guy pushed him to the ground. The invaders (four men) had the wrong house - the one they wanted was two streets over. They demanded that he return their drugs or pay him. Told him they were going to kill him while holding the gun to his temple. Then just left. Evidently they had realized they had the wrong guy.

Virtually every home invasion around here is drug related. Even this one is drug related even though they had the wrong house. Don't get involved in drugs and you reduce your chances of a home invasion to near zero. But near zero is not zero. Thus the hand gun next to me as I type this.

Be ready, but remember that the likelihood of a home invasion happening to the average person (thank God) is very low.

I agree completely -- if you're going to cite statistics, then you should cite the source.

Here is a link to the main page for the above link, that provides a summary and other options for download:
Victimization During Household Burglary (2003-2007)

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Can you cite your source please?

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A few years ago, we had a rash of burglaries of occupied homes. One down the street from me, and in subdivisions on either side of me. All upscale developments. Two different MOs. All perps were eventually caught and prosecuted.

What type of neighborhood has the most is of no interest to me. Of interest to me is that it can happen in my neighborhood, and it did happen. So I'm prepared. An MP5 would be a great bedside gun, but I'll make do with what I have. I pity the fool that breaks my door down.

I wear a full length brace on one leg, and use a cane to get around. I recently purchased a Biometric single gun safe. I researched it for a long time. So far its flawless. It is mounted on the top of my night stand,and the night stand is cabled to the floor.(over kill? may-be) but it works). Its very heavy, the safe does not move a fraction of an inch. I don't have the luxary of getting out of bed and moving fast for it takes me a few MINUTES !! to stand up with all the leather straps and velcro to secure the brace on my leg. One thing that I can do very quickly is extend my arm to the safe while in bed, and flick my index finger on the unit and within 2-3 seconds I have my favorite revolver in my hand that for some reason I have become extreemly accurate with filling the bulls eye at 12 yards away. A Smith a Wesson 686P - 7 round, 4" barrel, 357 magnum. God I love that gun. LOL! Loaded with Hornady critical defense JHP. OH! I also have in the safe a tactical 1100 lumen flash light that lights up houses many properties away like the sun is shining on them. Now I have practiced this exercise at least 50 different times over a two month period. I hope to God I never have to pull the trigger and hope the blinding light will disable the intruder ( if I have time) but if it's not well.......I hope my wife will not be hurt. At least I have a plan and rehearse it every once in a while. I also have other guns in a floor safe in my house, but for me that's not much help lying in bed without my brace on. Nothing's perfect, but it is a plan.

Smokes. Not to be rude. But is there more or less crime in more affluent neighborhoods?

So, no.

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The answer is presented in JMichaelTX's Department of Justice Survey he attached. It states: "Higher income households experienced lower rates of burglary.
Rates of household burglary were generally
lower for higher income households than lower
income households (table 3)."

No I didnt research it with statistics. I seriously just used common sense and what i've read and heard throughout the years. There is a reason why people move out of less income neighborhoods. Are you seriously still denying it? You yourself wrote a post about how dangerous your place is and how you can't move to a better neighborhood. Why would you want to move to a better neighborhood if it would have just as much crime?

Your best weapon is your brain. Being prepared is 90% of the battle. Having a long gun unsecured around the house isn't an option for many folks. Creating time for you is important. I suggest this: Door Armor Ultimate Door Security - Door Jamb Reinforcement - jamb repair - Armor Concepts

Home invasion as in kicked in door while you have your feet up watching the game? Think about it. You want your back to them while you reach under the couch for your long gun and tell them "wait a minute?" In this situation you will most probably not have cover so you need to stop the threat as quickly as possible. I've read a thread from someone who had his face smashed with a baseball bat before he could get up off his chair. Sorry, 38 spl doesn't work for me here. Easily controlled 40 cal Glock 27.

Dang...we have a lot of new members.

If you're not fit enough to react to a home invasion, you're doomed anyway.

Cardiovascular fitness is your best weapon against home invasion.

That and just about any firearm gives you the greatest chance of success.

As far as statistics, you can google "FBI Uniform Crime Report". Any department that is accepting federal grant funds (just about all of them) are required to code and submit their crime reports to be included. I believe MR. X may have already posted the link.

As far as "Home Invasion", it's important to separate them from "Burglaries", or "degrees" of home invastion. The way crimes are coded now, generally, "burglaries" are when someone breaks in when you're not home, "home invasions" are when they break in when someone is in the dwelling. Not sure, but they may have begun coding Home Invasions by "degree" to include when people aren't home....I'll check...

Here is Michigan's "Home Invasion" statute. Looks like they've done away with "burglary" and now call it "Home Invasion, First Degree" when someone is home. That's how old I am...I still think "Burglary" vs. "Home Invasion".

As far as crime by house price, you can't always go by that. For example, in Detroit there are a few neighborhood of million dollar homes surrounded by ghetto. Literally blocks away. They generally have private "security" cruising around. So saying that it's a "nice area" can be misleading. They recently had a federal judge shot as he took his garbage out. Couple gentlemen approached him and ordered him into his house at gunpoint, where his family was. When he refused, they shot him in the leg with, I believe, a .45 round. Also in the same general area there was a home invasion at a Dr.'s house where he was targeted specifically. Years ago, when Detroit still had "nice" neighborhoods, a cop friend of mine lived in a high-priced house with his family. Someone broke into a house a few doors down and killed both occupants. So when I say move into a better "area", I don't mean move into a better "house". God bless this guy for being a "Detroit Booster" but I think he's nuts for living in the city with his family. He can absolutely afford to live in a better area, but he's a Detroiter through and through, I guess....he lives in a beautiful "neighborhood" with 1920's houses built for Detroit's middle elite, but....It's not a nice "area". It's still a neighborhood where you'd better carry your gun taking the garbage out cutting the grass or walking the dog. No thanks, not for me anymore since I don't have to live there anymore.

My second house is in an area in the country, on a dead-end street. The ONLY property-related crime there in 20 years was someone recently rifling through an unlocked car and taking pocket change. The local hospital hasn't had a shooting in over 25 years. I feel fortunate to have a place in a neighborhood like that. The most important thing you can do for personal safety there is to wear orange when you're walking the dog in the woods behind my house.

Sounds like quite a broad and generalized statement. Tell me where cardiovascular fitness comes into play? You basically stated people in wheelchairs are 100% screwed in a home invasion. They're the ones with guns on this forum.

All you need is one fat old guy at the end of the hallway to shoot the person coming in. So as long as you don't have arthritis, you should be set. But yes, being in shape and fit wouldn't hurt.

One little tangent on 686' post: It's amazing to me how many guys nitpick every angle of home defense and personal safety when it comes to guns...."what kind of gun, what kind of round, what kind of trigger pull, what kind of headlight for the gun, what kind of laser beam...." who also eat like a garbage disposal (me included, I'm not casting any stones here....) If we're that worried about losing our lives in a one-in-a-million way, wouldn't you think we'd be eating more salad and exercising better when heart disease is more likely going to get us years earlier than it needs to?

"Honey, we need an AR-15 in the house in addition to the 12 gauge in case we get home invaded....Let's go shopping. And where's my Glock that I hid under the Victrola! Did you take it??? And the zip lock bag with my Sig in the shower is leaking again! Get new one. I told you, new bar of soap, new ziplock for the shower gun! This is NOT rocket science here!"

"Dinner's ready, honey! Acorn squash and tofu!"

"What!!! I'm not eating THAT! Bring me mac and cheese and a slab of ribs with mashed potatoes! And don't be stingy with the Sweet Baby Ray's!"

Wouldn't you agree that areas more prone to burglaries would be more susceptible to home invasion?

Absolutely....Just making sure we're all taking about the same crime. A "burglar" is generally only a First Degree Home invader by mistake. Real home invaders generally target dope houses or high-dollar victims like the jeweler i talked about. And the news rarely talks about the drug angle when they report: "Two killed in home invasion".

Yea, i'm right there with you. Heart disease, diabetes, cancer will probably kill the majority of people before a SD. But to some, the gun is the way they'll stay alive, it's also the only thing they think they need. Forget the hand to hand you may need or the ability to fight off an attacker before grabbing for your gun. I'm about to go off on a rant so i'll stop!

I just have a bunch of guns because I like guns. Also, I've accumulated a lot of them after 30 years on the PD because I can't pass up a good deal! I'm under no illusions about how they're gonna "save" me if I sprinkle them around the house instead of keeping them in the safe, haa haa.....Thankfully, my wife gets it and I don't have to rationalize buying more rounds or grabbing a deal on an old gun..... Plus, I cook for her quite a bit....Last night was an Emiril recipe for Chicken Marsala......

Same here. My friends keep asking me why I buy more. I tell them this is a better hobby than outfitting trucks with off road gear or stereo systems since I should make money or atleast come out a little less than even if I ever quit this hobby. Better than spending my money on hookers.

I keep most of my guns locked up. I have one by my bedstand and have been meaning to put one in downstairs basement. I dont need one in every room though. I feel comfortable withthat. If I wasnt renting this house, Id buy that door jam that someone posted up. To me, its better to have that than to have guns all around the house.

Let's not get crazy now. You can still have your guns and have enough left over for hooker money. The door jamb thing requires no alterations to the house. You can take it with you to a motel too....So the cops can't get you with the hookers!

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Won't keep home invaders out but it will give you more time to get your gun.

Baloney. Some of us don't move as fast as we used too. Not by choice either.

Your BEST weapon against ANY attack is preparedness. Such as hardening the perimeter of your home.

In most home invasions the bad guys are armed and there is more than one of them. Even with gun in hand against such an attack the odds are 50/50.

Those odds aren't good.

Some need to put the bravado and BS aside and think about this seriously. The only sure way to give yourself ample time is to harden your perimeter. Ain't no excuse for not doing do.

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How come we don't see 50% of home invasions resulting in the resident being shot?

As I read through all of these I am reminded of a line from a TV show that I have never watched but, I THINK, the line originates there as common parlance, although from time to time it's been said for decades for sure.

Easy line to remember.

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Man, I love this Forum, too. Y'all are the best! Agree or disagree on this or that, it doesn't matter, these are all good folks!

So I thank you.

Here's a good reference for you "statisticians". Property Crime from the UCR from 2014 by agency. They only have "burglary" as opposed to "home invasion" listed, but I didn't check very far.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2014.xls/view

Also for you numbers geeks....Violent crime by agency. My apologies to Mr. X if he already posted this:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2014.xls/view

Only 298 murders for Detroit in 2014???? Somebody's fibbing! Used to be if a guy got shot in the gut and died from peritonitis a month later, it wasn't a homicide.

Stats are useful, but actual video footage of how these crimes actually go down is truly indispensable. WILSON DEFENSE JOURNAL: Home Invasion's caught on camera

Because he never had a chance to do anything but sit there and let it happen.

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Machete guy was a good one! Definitely not a stranger.....Even knew the bad guy's name: "Wayne".

Wayne says: "You killed me..."

Gun guy says: "I did the right thing!"

Wayne says: "You did?"

Wayne wasn't too bright.

So when the dude kicks my front door in, I should ask him, "Is this a burglary, or a home invasion?"

I'm going to shoot him, anyway. And his friends. Unless he has 30 behind him. At some number, I will have a serious problem.