200-grain LRN .38 ammo. The last of my Remington ammo that was discontinued years ago. I "double-like" a big soft lead bullet traveling at a moderate velocity and making a big splash in the swimming pool. It travels around 700-feet per second and impacts (muzzle distance) at 200+foot pounds of energy. Not a barn burner but a trouble shooter for sure sir. Thanks for your interest in an old cops hardware.

David

300, did you have the work done to your Diamondback sir? I really appreciate and like your carry-shooter sir!

David

Thanks, David it's a police trade in, the department armorer bobbed the hammer. I've had it since the mid-90s the timing and lockup are still very nice.

To answer the original question, I am not yet in my mid thirties, and j frames are what I carry.

I'm early 30's and though I can't carry (can't get a permit if you live in LA county California) If I could, would carry my 686.

Well, my input is the handgun I carry "most". It fits snugly on my right hip - just far enough back that I don't hit it with my arm when walking and not so far that I can't grab it with my right hand if the need arises!

It is my S&W 19-2 with 2 1/2 inch barrel in a Milt Sparks PMK holster.

Spare rounds are carried on the left front in a slide....

Works for me.

I installed a Hogue G10 and a XS Standard Dot on my 9mm LCR, man what a difference in shootability. Still pocket carries well too ...... ;o)

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I'm 31, but look 51, and EDC a revolver. Have been for awhile now...

I'm 30 and also carry only a revolver. I only own revolvers, but some day I might get a plastic gun just in case.


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Went to qualify yesterday with my S&W 686. (I'm the last revolver toter in my bunch.) None of the young guys managed 100%, but the old guy with the round gun did. 😎

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Well, Elm Creek, I'm not sure whether that's a testimony to the gun or to the shooter!!! You might have been the best shooter even if you'd had an auto!!! I have had similar experiences, when I was one of the firearms instructors at my department, I know that we would spend days just shooting in between groups coming to the range. Spent time spotting for each other, trying to see what caused problems, and working to perfect our game. Sort of like being the golf pro at the club: you see what mistakes others are making, and improve your own game at the same time. I've been shooting autos and revolvers both since I was a kid. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Personally, I carry a revolver mostly these days, but sometimes I'll carry an auto. I like to be proficient with both.

Keep up the good work!!!

Best Regards, Les

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elm, can you tell me what you had to do to qualify?
i have no range or club nearby, so i need to tes myself in the yard
i'm competent at bulls eye but nothing else.

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susie

I doubt if your group learned anything from the session. Most of the younger folks today, all belong to the soy bean/horse manure cult, and couldn't, or wouldn't see the end result anyway. It sort of comes from operating with a closed mind. It's a lot like showing paintings to a blind group.
Chubbo

I just picked up a new revolver for the herd and it may very well be my EDC carry to replace the LCR

The comment most heard was, "Don't ever piss the captain off." I was also the guy that was able to draw and control a training gun while being Tased. Some of the guys squealed like little girls.

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Sweet! My back-up/always gun is a S&W 642-2. I call it "Compassion." It replaced "Love," my old nickel Model 37.

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jimmyj , I have read your posts when you carried a model 58 . Between you and superman it inspired me to buy one yrs ago . I had a custom shoulder holster made for it . It has been my carry weapon for years . Sorry but no glocks for me . I have a good friend , a LEO for over 30yrs . He started his career carrying a model 10 . Issued a glock now .
He bought his wife a J frame smith for carry . His reasons were good enough for me , but I won't go into them here . But seriously , I always tell people carry what works for you .

Revolvers are less complicated. This is an important consideration for older folks.

Ever been in line at the gas pumps and happen to watch how older folks regularly get this confused look at everything from opening the gas cap to inserting the credit card, selecting the gas type and then fueling? Half of them look like they've never put gas in their vehicle before. The wife and I were at Sam's Club a few weeks ago and the lines were about four deep. I pointed this out to my wife who at first thought I was kidding... then when she paid attention she said oh my... you're right , then promised to tell me when I reached that point.

I see it at Costco on a fairly regular basis. I'm 71 years old and it aggravates me that such people give the rest of us seniors a bad reputation. Not all of us are this clueless. I try to make my visit to the gas pump as quick as possible. The only thing that slows me up is the slow speed of the pump.

Another really aggravating problem I see with older folks is at the supermarket checkout. Many seniors still use checkbooks. I can't understand why they wait until the cashier tells them the total before they take their checkbook out to start writing the check. Also the little old ladies that get out the change purse and sort through their change.

I've said to my wife many times to please tell me if I get that bad, especially with my driving.

My Friend, if you live long enough, you, as surely as God made little green apples, will get "that bad". Your opinion of us Old Folks, and their not being able to keep up with our society's frantic pace, shows the overall disrespect shown by our younger generation, for the generation that over pampered and never give any duties, or responsibilities to those little darlings. assuring that they would never have to work for their living as their parents had to do. Then suddenly at age thirty or forty, a few of the little darlings finally get out into the big old Bad world, with a lot of help from those pampering parents, and show their gratitude, and respect, by taking notice of how their worn out providers have slowed down, and are holding up lines of very appreciative young folks from the pampered Generation. The real sad part of this is that none of you pampered generation can see what I'm talking about, and all the pampering went down the drain, along with respect. All for nothing!
Chubbo

I was having coffee with a couple of Fl.Highway Patrolmen(old guys)asked me how I liked retirement!! Anyhoo...while talking GUNS one guy says.I miss carrying my S&W 357!! I would trade this plastic piece of **** for my 357 right now!! I never felt undergunned with only 6ea. 357 rounds!! YEA!! for us old guys!
Jim

S&W 638 is my EDC. Perfect.
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I'm retired so I guess that might put me into the "old" category. My EDC is a SIG P938 Blackwood. I'm a 1911 guy so I naturally adore the P938. The Sig holds 7+1 rounds (some P938 mags are 6 rounds), has night sights, is super accurate and functioning has been flawless.

Before I purchased the P938 I preferred my S&W 637.

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it seems like most folks rely on spray guns. 17 rounds n extra mags.
they spend their time worrying about the most effective loads.
i really think this is nothing but laziness.
they upgrade gear n fire power but seldom practice.
i got my first handgun 16 months ago n i shoot 200-300 rounds every week.
i have upgraded to a model 15 shooting midrange wadcutters.
i can do more with 6
rounds than they can do with 60.
a work ethic is more important than equipment.

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No-other guys besides old ones carry revolvers. For example, I'm only 69, and I carry one. See?!

Just saw this. Great stuff!! Don Knotts was from just down the road, in Morgantown, WV. They have a street named for him there, "Don Knotts Boulevard". This is a great picture. You can tell I'm on vacation, up in the middle of the night looking at year old posts.

Best Regards, Les

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I carry a revolver because I have never had a jam, stove pipe or short- stroke in well over 8,000 revolver rounds fired. All my semi-autos had feeding problems or just stopped functioning for one reason or another. If I ever did have a fail with a revolver, it was due to the factory reloads I was using at the time. Using factory fresh new ammo, I've never had a single problem.

I have seen too many you tube videos of autos failing when they were needed the most.

Phil, you have to understand - those folks are from NJ - someone pumps for them. We see it all the time, they pull up to the pump, sit a minute, then start blowing the horn, they don't understand "self serve."

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I see a few younger shooters expressing some interest in wheel guns, but don't really know how to properly run them because there's not too many instructors providing dedicated training. Add that to the myths that revolvers are "no maintenance," 100 percent reliable, and "if you can't get 'em with 5...." A while back, I had a relatively new shooter handling one of my J frames. He decided to jerk the cylinder shut like he'd likely seen in movies. I explained how it could damage the gun. He placed it back on the bench and dismissed it saying he never could shoot with a revolver. Incidentally, I stumbled onto an old Massad Ayoob article yesterday where he described that bench testing found that a 2-inch J was no less accurate than a 4-inch K.

Well they do say that "wisdom comes with age"...maybe THAT'S why old guys carry revolvers!

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I had never had a single problem with any of my revolvers until recently. I was firing my S&W 637 when it suddenly locked up. I could not pull the trigger or cock the hammer. Long story short, the hammer block had broken and the pieces fallen down into the mechanism, locking everything up. I dry fire a lot with snap caps. Could that have contributed to it breaking? I don't know for sure and neither did the S&W person that I spoke with but S&W sent me a new hammer block, free of charge.

My Sig P938 has been flawless without a single malfunction and the same is true of a Beretta Tomcat that I own. My Sig P226 had a couple of malfunctions during the first two weeks of shooting when it was new. After that and thousands of rounds later, not a single mishap or stutter.

It used to be true that as a rule, revolvers were more reliable and that may still be true to some extent but with improvements in ammunition and modern day quality semi autos, it gets less true all the time.

Just one man's opinion.

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Well let me say this in all seriousness. Take your dad to the range as many times as you can get him to go - coffee cup and all! In fact...insist that he bring it because it makes him comfortable! (after enough brass is ejected into it he will put it away)
Pull the target in to 3 yards, and let him take the "dueling position" - as long as he isn't posing a danger to anyone on the range, who cares? (In time, he'll probably see the fallacy of it and convert to a more conventional stance).
The point I'm trying to make is ....spend as much time with your dad as possible. Enjoy it while he's here. The day may come when he won't be, and "coffee cups and dueling positions" would be welcomed if they would allow another day with him.

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I get what your saying and it's cool but my pops and I were never that close dispite the fact that there was never any divorce or moving away. He wasn't much into doing things so there are no father/son camping, fishing, shooting. ...etc...He did his thing, I did mine. That range trip was probably the first thing we did together not counting family vacations as a kid.

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Some of us old guys carry two:

Sounds just like my family situation, but at age 60 now, and my dad passed away when I was 38...ask me what I'd give to have just one day with him? You can't imagine.

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I can attest to their accuracy. I shoot my 640 better than my duty issued Glock 17. I pulled a 245/250 on the semi auto course to qualify with my 640 as my BUG

The "OLD" sage, Jim Clark Sr., advised me to depend on a revolver when a weapon is needed. His explanation was, If it fails to fire, just pull the trigger again.

Simple advice that I took to heart over 40 years ago.

For the young folks, he was making custom 45s back in the early 50s; today his shop is known as "Clark Custom Guns".

He is the only civilian to win his class at Camp Perry.

How well did these loads perform on the street? I thought someone mention they tumbled in flesh a good bit.

absolutely had to join this "old" post (Dec 2015?). Company I work for (still at age 71) doesn't allow any firearms "on company premises". With that said I surmise that over 50% of vehicles in the parking lot have more sophisticated "iron" in center consoles and glove boxes than a tire iron or pepper spray. What we all do is leave our EDC (mine is a 637-2 and yea....I know it's MIM, with lock, and all the ****** things the politicians forced) but that piece purchased in 2002 for $275 sits in its Uncle Mike Kydex, doesn't rust, doesn't sweat the condensation changes etc. whereas my previous edc was an old (1943 Ithaca 1911A1), heavy, needed almost daily cleaning, even with Parkerizing, and when I found out the dang thing is pushing 2 large plus in value....it went to the safe, the 637-2 is handy, reliable, as accurate as my 15-3 so no complaints from this old, gimpy shooter.

PS: to take a memo from Mark Twain........my pop didn't know **** when I was 18, and I couldn't believe how much he had learned by the time I was 21. My pop, and my uncles are long gone in the 70's but that "old" Ithaca served some GI very well in Europe or the Pacific, but I was taught with a wheel gun, have both, and now (much, much older) really appreciate the S&W wheel guns (and yes......the prancing ponies as well) so they are the "favored" EDC, range guns, fun guns, woods guns and will remain so until the old Ithaca is called on again someday to defend the country by grandkids.

Sayoc01,

OLD GUYS..........are you for real ? You throw OLD GUYS around as if we are not to be held with RESPECT. I carry what I want to not coming to tell you chitt. You might be the some kind of FBI or CIA or just a DUMB PUNK. I don't trust people like you that is why I carry but I won't tell you what I carry. Because I'm an OLD GUY and if you want to know mess with me and I will make your world a bad place to live. Never f with an OLD GUY.

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Arik, I have a couple of questions to ask you. Is the very disappointing father that you describe from the trip to the shooting range, the same father that gave up many of his things to give you things, and taught you to use those things? I bet he found a place to set your nipple equipped bottle when you were using it, I bet he didn't gripe about your attempts to do unfamiliar things when you were still staining your diapers yellow, did he? Our younger pampered generation never ceases to amaze me, in their methods of showing their appreciation for all the things that their parents did for them while raising them up to their present eminence. My father didn't do that many things with me ether, but, I value the things that he made possible for me to enjoy, He has been dead for 37 years, and I would give anything that I own to go shooting, hunting, or anything with him again.
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Well, I'll follow his lead.

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When I was 17-years old we always made jokes of old people and their Geritol. My speech coach in high school was 35 and we all thought he was soOoo cool and hip because he was still surfing at his old age. When I graduated from the Sheriffs Academy at age 21 we all carried wheel-guns and that's just how things were. While I carried several different semi-auto's in my life, they never had the same soul and warmth as a finely tuned Colt Python or Smith & Wesson Model 27. BTW, I also owned a Gold Cup, and a highly customized Springfield 1911 but they pale in comparison to the smooth clicking sound and feel of locking the hammer back on my old service revolver. Like' the Beatles, Beach Boys and vinyl records along with a '68 Camaro, it's all about missing our youthful period.

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I carry whatever I want to carry. Age has nothing to do with it."Hee-hee"? Seriously?

I think I'm old enough to carry whatever I want without having to explain it to anyone. Cheers.


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I'm not sure how you got that from my posts but let me clarify some things for you.

1) I was originally talking about how small guns arnt easy to shoot and that people don't often realize that. I used my dad as an example because. ..well....because that's what he thought. He wanted my J frame and I wanted to show him how hard it is with lack of practice. Practice that I KNOW 100% that he's not going to do. I don't want him hurting someone else by accident and I know he doesn't want to either.

2) you said ......" I would give anything that I own to go shooting, hunting, or anything with him again." The key word AGAIN! I don't have an AGAIN. Like I said earlier he wasn't the kind of guy to do anything. Aside from the last family vacation when I was 16 or so we never did any father/son activities. It wasn't something he had an interest in. My mom would often have arguments with him about it. He wasn't a bad father he just had no interest spending time with kids. I always played with friends. I'm not mad or upset about it. I never felt I was missing out. It's just something the he didn't do so I had nothing to compare it to, to be able to miss out on. I grew up like that so we generally don't do anything just the 2 of us. That range time was just me trying to show him it's not as easy as he thinks. If we get together it's because it's a family function. There was and is nothing sacred about that range time. Let me make that clear one more time. THERE IS NO "AGAIN" because there wasn't a first time. It would be like this...."dad let's play catch! Son, why don't you call your buddy Mike". There was nothing for him to teach me. There was no fishing cause fish came from supermarkets and I'm not spending my day sitting in the sun. If something broke he'd grab a yellow pages or call someone he knows. Camping? He's not going to sleep outside on the ground. Outdoor activities in general ment you have to be outdoors and he wasn't about to sit in the sun or the cold or the rain or walk a lot (hiking). He's not into guns, he just has one for home that he keeps locked up. Going to work and coming home to relax was his thing.

3) Not sure how any of that means pampered but let me clear that up for you too. My dad is 62 and mom is 57. They both still work and make good money. When the roof leaked in their last house I payed for the new roof along with all new windows. When they bought a new house I took off work without pay and remodeled. When the water heater broke I took of work payed and had it fixed. When the shower wouldn't turn off I took of work and fixed it. When the heater went out this winter I payed for that too. Brand new washer and dryer in February from me. Just 3 weeks ago I took off work cause their sewer pipe broke. 3 days I lost pay while it was getting fixed, mean while I split that with my sister. My dad went on vacation to Las Vegas to see a cousin of his who was there on business. ...the flight and hotel was covered by my sister and myself. When next Monday my mom and sister return from their vacation I'm taking off work, again without pay, to pick them up from the airport so that he doesn't have to use his vacation time or loose money. All the TVs and electronics in the house ...from me. When he bought a used car and didn't realize it had no AC I gave him mine and drove that one for almost 3 years. When he calls me that something happened and I'm at work I don't ask if I can leave, I tell my boss I'm leaving and why. I don't wait for his answer. If he fires me so be it.

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Sorry Arik, But you left a lot of information out of your bash, of your Father's actions at your range outing. With an open mind, go back to your post about the shooting range outing with your father. Read your post, as a non informed person would, and see if it does not sound like you judged your Father pretty harshly. With the information that you later supplied, I can see how you feel about him. There has been a lot of jumping to conclusions done here and I am truly sorry for mine. Please forgive me.
Chubbo

I'm going to be 78 in a month and my Spring, Summer, and fall wear is a bathing suit with a "t" shirt over it.
I always carry my KEL-TEC 9, 11 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber.
This is a DAO pistol that I have owned and retired with, and got to keep it.
It has the stainless belt clip that rides nicely inside the waist-band.
It is totally reliable and it is very accurate.
A great old friend that has helped me make retirement, and beyond
It is on me daybreak to bedtime.
yes, I have detective size revolvers, quite a few 40sw's, 45 autos and Sigs.
But,,this old Kel-Tec goes with me everywhere.
Why? because of my clothing I wear which is mentioned above.
I am not menacing looking,just a normal looking "old coot", with a scowl on his face, limping into Walmart or the local supermarket or Lowe's.
Yes, every step hurts these days.
But it seems like that about once a year, I'm there when a purse snatcher or a thief comes running by me at the exit, with store employees chasing and shouting for this perpetrator to stop.
I turn and trip this runner, walk over with my hand on my hip and say
"don't move". The store employees are there instantly.
The store mgr and I have met and know each other on sight.
I go home no worse for wear.

I hear you, and from reading your reply to Chubbo I'd say your dad is fortunate to have you for a son. My dad and I had the same type relationship as it sounds you and yours do - he did his thing and I did mine. We went fishing on occasion, and to ball games because he was a big fan, but that's about it. No father-son trips like I did with my boys.

In spite of that there are many times where I wish I could have a day to just listen to a ball game together (his sight got so bad that GOING to the game was useless) or talk about whatever he wanted to. Maybe I'm just sentimental, but I find that my friends who have lost their dads feel the same. Something about getting older I guess. I never thought I would miss him as much.

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