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Has anyone seen or signed this Petition ?
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Until I was a freshman in high school I thought that "damnyankee" was one word. My English teacher marked off one point in an essay for misspelling the word!!
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I've had many thoughts about this. I don't think I want the Federal Government deciding on concealed carry. I think that decision should be left up to my state government.
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I am happy to say that my state, Kansas, has had constitutional carry as of July 1, 2015. I have yet to see anyone carrying openly. Though the law permits it, I personally am against it except for law enforcement displaying a badge. It scares people, results is wasted LE time responding to person with a gun calls, and alerts bad people that you are armed. In one instance, in another state, a man was robbed of his new pistol that he was carrying openly, by criminals who wanted it.

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Wyoming has Constitutional carry. I intend to keep my permit due to reciprocity and the ability to purchase a firearm in state without waiting for a background check. I agree with KSDeputy. In my opinion, open carry is not a great idea for the reasons he mentions.
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Old 12-14-2015, 11:44 AM
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I also agree. I am also concerned with the amount of people who may not know how to properly handle their weapon and carry simply for the novelty

With great power comes great responsibility
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Old 12-14-2015, 12:34 PM
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I also agree. I am also concerned with the amount of people who may not know how to properly handle their weapon and carry simply for the novelty

With great power comes great responsibility
Do you really think the answer is to have a oh so benevolent regulate that responsibility???
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Do you really think the answer is to have a oh so benevolent regulate that responsibility???
Yes! Since there are laws "regulating" the use of deadly force, people should receive training to be informed.

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Yes! Since there are laws "regulating" the use of deadly force, people should receive training to be informed.c.d.s.

Hank M.

So making a law that you have to know the law will make people not break the law...

Perfect example of being pro gun not being the same thing as pro 2A

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You either believe it's a right or you believe its something less

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Yeah. we have OC here in WA too. Not too big of a deal here on the right side of the state, but over on the left coast it WAS a big deal for a while.

Lots of "man with a gun" calls for a while. The dispatchers just got trained to ask simple questions like; Is the gun in a holster? Is the gun being waived around? Is the man with the gun menacing or threatening anyone? After those questions are all given a NO answer they just tell the dingbat making the call that the OC person isn't breaking any laws and to call back if they start breaking the law. After a while the number of calls dropped off a lot from what I understand.

I OC whenever I'm out in the woods - including riding quads. After a day of riding last summer we stopped into a fast food joint for shakes. I didn't even think about the hogleg on my hip. Apparently nobody else thought much about it either. I never even got any funny looks from anyone - or at least not that I noticed...

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Old 12-14-2015, 06:24 PM
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Wyoming has Constitutional carry. I intend to keep my permit due to reciprocity and the ability to purchase a firearm in state without waiting for a background check. I agree with KSDeputy. In my opinion, open carry is not a great idea for the reasons he mentions.
I generally agree with this. However, here in Arizona even before statehood, open carry was expected. A town or city can pass an ordinance against open carry as some did during 1800s even.
Anyone can legally carry concealed here without a permit.
Open carry out on our desert is a better idea than concealed since
it's easier to get to your piece.
Surprisingly, I don't know of any incidents because of being a 2nd Amendment state. There may have been, I just haven't heard of any.
I've always felt the constitution is very clear on this.
It actually seems to read that one can own and carry a firearm.
Packing openly, as this poster says can cause problems other than out in der voods so to speak.
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You would have gotten a look from me. After being a peace officer for 30 years I would wonder what type of person you were. Were you carrying it openly just to show off, or were you doing it to get ready to perpetrate a criminal act? When you mostly deal with bad people all the time you grow suspicious. A question was asked if you are pro gun, or pro 2A. I guess I am both, but do not like open carry unless the person is displaying a badge. I know that makes no sense, but it is how I am. Things would be different if it were in the 1800's and most everyone carried openly, including the sheriff. Constitutional carry is very new here, and I have yet to see anyone carrying openly in a city. I may change if a lot of people start carrying openly, but that scares the citizens a lot.

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You would have gotten a look from me. After being a peace officer for 30 years I would wonder what type of person you were. Were you carrying it openly just to show off, or were you doing it to get ready to perpetrate a criminal act? When you mostly deal with bad people all the time you grow suspicious. A question was asked if you are pro gun, or pro 2A. I guess I am both, but do not like open carry unless the person is displaying a badge. I know that makes no sense, but it is how I am. Things would be different if it were in the 1800's and most everyone carried openly, including the sheriff. Constitutional carry is very new here, and I have yet to see anyone carrying openly in a city.
I assume you are referring to my comment about not even getting any funny looks. Well, all I can say is, maybe in Kansas, and maybe in Seattle, but not here in Spokane. You'd be giving a lot of people funny looks if you did, because it isn't that unusual. We have a lot of ranchers and outdoorsmen in this area that OC. We're not Kansas out here Toto.

If you get suspicious and turn a stink eye on people who are legally exercising their rights, then all I can say is go right ahead. Just as long as it doesn't go past giving someone "the eye" then no harm, no foul. BUT if you start using your badge to hassle people who aren't doing anything illegal, just because you don't happen to like whatever it is they are doing, then that's when it becomes a whole different story. As long as it doesn't go that way then you have every right to LOOK at them with all the suspicion you want.
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You would have gotten a look from me. After being a peace officer for 30 years I would wonder what type of person you were. Were you carrying it openly just to show off, or were you doing it to get ready to perpetrate a criminal act? When you mostly deal with bad people all the time you grow suspicious. A question was asked if you are pro gun, or pro 2A. I guess I am both, but do not like open carry unless the person is displaying a badge. I know that makes no sense, but it is how I am. Things would be different if it were in the 1800's and most everyone carried openly, including the sheriff. Constitutional carry is very new here, and I have yet to see anyone carrying openly in a city. I may change if a lot of people start carrying openly, but that scares the citizens a lot.
As an LEO, did you see a lot of bad guys open carrying. It would seem counterproductive.
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Legal there ith no.permit and absolutely no problem. Not known for paranoia we und here either. I would hope.a.cop.was.smart enough to figure out bad guy don't open carry.
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Exclamation National LEOSA Permits

There is already a National Authorization for carrying concealed weapons (LEOSA) , but it only applies to current and retired (in good standing) LEO's. Unlike most state permits, we have to renew each year and re-qualify on a tactical firing course, which includes a comprehensive review of CCW law. Makes you wonder why we have to jump through so many hoops, when the average citizen, the majority of which have little or no experience, only have to renew and re qualify by only showing minimal proficiency, every five years. With regard to the original post, I would be opposed to the suggested constitutional amendment.
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I also agree. I am also concerned with the amount of people who may not know how to properly handle their weapon and carry simply for the novelty

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If you want to mandate training for exercising a civil liberty, I want you to show me that not mandating training, which is the norm, is causing a real problem.

At present 5 states permit "Constitutional Carry" (no permit required to carry a firearm period.) Several states issue permits with no training requirement at all and several others allow permitless open carry (Again no training requirement).

According to the CDC accidental firearms deaths are at an all time low while firearms ownership is at historic highs.

There are already a whole bunch of people out there carrying guns with no mandated training at all where are all the firearms related accidents
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Besides being a ridiculous Internet petition, I really think the folks in the RKBA movement need to get together and some of them need to get a grip on what the Second Amendment permits and what it does not - until the Supreme Court of the United States tells us that "shall not be infringed" means "unfettered right" the phrase "shall not be infringed" is no stronger than Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech....

There are plenty of laws and rules "abridging" free speech; there are laws that govern where and when you can peaceably assemble, too. The Supreme Court specifically told us that "reasonable restrictions" are permissible with respect to the right to keep and bear arms. So the following is kind of marginally correct:
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It's a right, guaranteed by the Second Amendment, but it is definitely something less than a total guarantee of a free and unfettered right and the more that people suggest that it is free and unfettered the worse it becomes for us down the road.

Just last week the Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal out of Illinois with respect to a ban on magazine capacity and "ugly" rifles (my term but you know what I mean). The result is that now any town or other jurisdiction not subject to a state preemption rule, and certainly any state, can with impunity pass such bans knowing that the Court won't strike them down. DID WE REALLY NEED THAT ON THE PUBLIC RECORD? I wrote to the NRA and told them what an error it was to bring that case.

There is no such thing as "Constitutional carry" in the law. There never has been. It's a political concept at best, in the minds of people who think they get to decide what the law is in America. If free and unfettered open carry is permitted by any state that's just excellent and I applaud the concept even if I won't do it. As of January 1st here in Texas I can do it - but I will not. The "why" is a long story for a different thread. It is NOT Constitutional carry - there simply is no such thing.

I know that will generate some hate mail but I'm old and crusty and a lawyer so it won't bother me much.
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In one instance, in another state, a man was robbed of his new pistol that he was carrying openly, by criminals who wanted it.
Well, not exactly.

If you're talking about the guy in Oregon he was walking around with an unloaded .22. Some of the reports said he was carrying th gun in the box.

He was also hanging out in the hood at 2 am when it happened.
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I don't think any petition that is located on the White House web site is even remotely a good idea. There's no way in heck it would ever be considered, and I sure ain't putting my name and other info voluntarily on the dimmycrats' hit list.

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As somebody who works in the ghetto neighborhoods in Philly and deals with criminals (and law abiding citizens too) every day, I can tell you criminals do not open carry.

Outside of Philadelphia, open carry is more prevalent, but still not a very common occurrence. Over time, the amount of people offended by open carry is becoming less. As I mentioned in other threads, the more open carry becomes practiced and seen the more accepted it will become. Heck, just look at some recent trends to see firearms are becoming more accepted...



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I believe states should make laws regarding firearms. I am not the type of guy that hassles anyone. I live by the golden rule, and work by it also. The post made a statement about getting looks, and I certainly would look, but that is all. Though I do not like open carry, it is the law here. I spent 30 years enforcing the law, I do not plan on stopping now. I have enforced many laws I did not like, that was my job. Such is the case about open carry with me. I have a LEOSA permit, we are required to carry concealed. I would do it that way anyway, except on my farm. The man who was carrying his new pistol, and had it stolen was in a Walmart somewhere. I can't remember the city or state but am certain a search could provide the information.
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All but five states have open carry of some sort. All the anti end of civilized society rants have, as always, gone unfounded.

To my understanding open carry was pretty common at one point except for in big cities. FL lost open carry to compromise for concealed carry and the associated laws and policies.

It's sad that in this day and age folks ask for and actually want to be regulated by the government in all these aspects of their lives. What the heck happened to this country?

I'm personally all for "constitutional carry." People can be responsible for themselves and their property without government intervention.

There will always be stupid people doing stupid things, bad people doing bad things, but we haven't been so dumbed down yet that there aren't some good, decent people out there.
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here we go............... " to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" I whole heartedly believe in the right for a l l citizens to carry a firearm as they see fit... period. Who am I to judge who is qualified or not. My daughter is a cop, they get 50 rounds to practice with a month and most of her peers don't use it. I have gone to the range with her and some of her " trained" LEO buddies and was not impressed. I out shot all of them and they did not display any more care with their weapons than the beginners I trained in my CCL class.

The only way for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing... forgot who said that. Think I will look it up.

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That would be Sir Edmund Burke. And you (and he) are exactly right.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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here we go............... " to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" I whole heartedly believe in the right for a l l citizens to carry a firearm as they see fit... period. Who am I to judge who is qualified or not. My daughter is a cop, they get 50 rounds to practice with a month and most of her peers don't use it. I have gone to the range with her and some of her " trained" LEO buddies and was not impressed. I out shot all of them and they did not display any more care with their weapons than the beginners I trained in my CCL class.
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Does she work in LA?

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here we go............... " to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" I whole heartedly believe in the right for a l l citizens to carry a firearm as they see fit... period. Who am I to judge who is qualified or not. My daughter is a cop, they get 50 rounds to practice with a month and most of her peers don't use it. I have gone to the range with her and some of her " trained" LEO buddies and was not impressed. I out shot all of them and they did not display any more care with their weapons than the beginners I trained in my CCL class.

The only way for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing... forgot who said that. Think I will look it up.

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That sounds great on paper, but he reality of it is different. Even in liberal NY (not NYC), a 3 hour class demonstrating MINIMAL proficiency with a weapon is all that is required for a CC permit. I only shoot on weekdays or in cold weather to avoid the legions of untrained idiots with guns. Members of a gun forum are NOT representative of gun owners in general. On another well known forum, there was a guy who had taken TWO "advanced pistol classes" taught by some Marine. This "instructor" told him carrying his Beretta PX4 with the hammer back and safety off was no different than carrying a Glock. He was carrying this way for months before he derided some other poster about wanting a safety.

Not to mention some of the antics I have seen in a PA gun store, where NO training is required. Just don't trust Uncle Jeb and Cousin Cletus with his 4 teeth to safely handle a weapon.

Truth is, MANY people who own or carry guns are unsafe idiots, and while it is their right to bear arms, it is my right not to catch a bullet because they have their heads up their asses.

And those who refuse to acknowledge that will always call me "anti-2A". If we could trust people not to drive 100 mph we wouldn't have speed limits. I live in PA, an open carry state. I rarely see it. Did see it a few months back. Guy pumping gas. Had a big Glock in a tactical mall ninja rig and a license plate that read "OPN CRRY". What a tool.

I teach a law enforcement program for high school kids now. I was teaching firearm safety last week. We have red barreled training rifles and shotguns and 8MM blank firing handgun replicas. One of the kids had been hunting since he was like 12. I was demonstrating how to safely unload a 12 gauge pump shotgun and the kid had NO idea that you could open the action and press the lever behind the chamber to release the shells one at a time safely. Said "I just rack the action until it's empty". How many of us here would rack the slide on a semi auto pistol to empty it? I asked the kid if he ever bothered to read the owner's manual with his shotgun. He said "nope. My Dad taught me".

God help us.

As for the link regarding the M&P pistol the LASD uses, I'm not surprised. Striker fired, no safety pistols are certainly "less safe" than hammer fired weapons. I've always said they are the worst choice for police officers, who Unholster and reholster their weapons far more than a civilian, not to mention having to point that st people in high stress situations. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and the Beretta 92 and 3rd gen S&W pistols were doing just fine until Glock gave free guns away to get into the LE market. If your hand is too small for a 92FS, then maybe you shouldn't be a cop.

And yes, I own 2 striker fired guns. A Ruger SR9 and a Ruger LC9-S. I like the manual safety Nd mag disconnect. They're great guns. But I have been shooting for many years and have shot those guns extensively. They're not for beginners.

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