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I work for a big name freight RR. They have no weapons on premises policy, but a lot of guys carry concealed. Screw the RR!
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I worked for a company that didn't allow employees to have firearms on any of the properties. My men would get called out at night to some of the worst parts of town. I told my crew, do not tell me that you were ever carrying at work, I fire you on the spot! as is company policy! I also told them I won't be asking how they stayed safe, when the company fired the security firm that was suppose to protect them!
Since I work elsewhere now, I always carry. All my superiors know and basically expect it. I would open a site before sunup in a terrible neighborhood. The boss comes in at 0530 and sees the gate open. He pulls an engraved High Power, and starts searching the buildings. His Marine training has failed him as he walks like a moose, I make sure the lights get on before he gets to where I am. I tell him it is my job to deal with anybody that isn't allowed to be there, he is suppose to sign my checks! We have a good understanding now!
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I am a self-employed attorneyy, and can carry when I want to, subject to governmental restrictions regarding court facilities, post office, etc.
New York State, where I live, does not have a sign policy regarding property owner prohibiting firearms. However, a property owner could condition entry into/onto property on not carrying a firearm. Enforcing that would be a matter of discovering the firearm, asking the carrier to leave and having the carrier arrested for trespass if he/she failed to leave.
I have worked in the employment law area and have seen employer policies against possession of weapons, including firearms, at work. Such a prohibition may be a condition of employment and violation of same may be a cause for termination. Employers have cited insurance concerns for such a policy, but I have never seen anything from an insurance company regarding such a policy.
I have not researched whether or not a property owner or employer that prohibits otherwise lawful possession of a handgun on property or at work would be held to guarantee the safety of persons on the property or work in the event of an incident resulting in injury or death. I think a pretty good argument could be made that such a property owner or employer had a very high duty to safeguard the person of anyone subject to and in compliance with such a policy. I would love to know what an insurance company would think about insuring against that potential liability.
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02-10-2016, 07:24 PM
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I am a lineman for an electric utility. When I started in 1978 most of us were hunters and shooters. We used to bring guns to work all of the time to show them off or trade or buy and sell.
Younger management and younger employees; new written policies forbidding possession of firearms on company property, including in a locked privately owned vehicle.
Only four of us hunt and only two of us shoot for recreation. The younger guys are all golfers, a few of them fish but they have no interest in guns or hunting. Heck, they don't even drink coffee!! Sheesh.
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02-10-2016, 08:53 PM
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In todays environment if you actually WANT your job you'd be better off assuming "NO"...or finding out for sure.
Be a shame to get called into your bosses office, questioned, fired, and escorted out by security, because somebody saw/discovered the gun you "thought" was totally undetectable.
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A very fair point. However, I should have included more info. We have a small office, maybe 20 people. The majority of our employees work off-site. We're a pretty tight-knit group. While no one knows for sure, I imagine that the two owners, and at least a few others know I carry. It's not a large corporate type atmosphere. Myself and maybe two others are the security. Worst case scenario would be a possible insurance change or something that would require them to enforce a policy. In that case, I would probably be asked, politely, and with little expectation of me complying!
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02-11-2016, 09:44 AM
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I did refrigeration repair for a superstore and worked in different stores and some in bad areas in middle of the night when on call.
They had a no gun policy even in your vehicle on company property. Also no knives but we were allowed one as a work tool. Even if off the clock we weren't allowed to carry in their stores.
Later on the state ruled a company could not forbid a weapon in a private vehicle.
I almost always had a gun in my truck even when against the rules and at times did carry into stores in a bad area. I was never so concerned someone might spot my gun as I was getting into an accident and having one found on me as it was a firing offense and no second chance.
Now that I'm retired I carry all the time on their stores now. They couldn't take away my pension and maybe my 10% off card but manual says nothing about those retired either.
I was concerned about losing my job but more concerned about losing my life so I did make exceptions.
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02-11-2016, 11:32 AM
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according to our employee handbook, we are "expressly prohibited from carrying any type of weapon onto Company's property whether in the employee’s lunch box, locker, or through other means except where otherwise permitted by state law".
So i'm allowed to carry since i hold a valid CWL, however i don't advertise it and i'm sure some wouldn't be happy in our office environment.
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02-12-2016, 11:48 AM
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No firearms allowed anywhere I have ever worked, and it was prohibited even in your personal vehicle while at work. That changed after the legislature passed a law that allows anyone with a valid handgun carry permit to secure one in their private vehicle while parked on employer premises. I wrote my elected representatives for several years explaining the need for that law and I'm glad I did.
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02-13-2016, 05:04 PM
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No firearms allowed anywhere I have ever worked, and it was prohibited even in your personal vehicle while at work. That changed after the legislature passed a law that allows anyone with a valid handgun carry permit to secure one in their private vehicle while parked on employer premises. I wrote my elected representatives for several years explaining the need for that law and I'm glad I did.
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yeah I really do not get the no gun in your personal car while at work. It is to protect me, I have to drive to and from work, I understand not coming in the store with it on, but in my car, that is my personal space. I mean there is no smoking inside the store either but they have a smokers area right outside the door and you can in your car whats the difference.
maybe if someone breaks into my car and steals it or comes in the store with it to rob them? but my car does have a alarm, i keep it locked. its in another locked spot in the car. I need protection, I have been car jacked at gun point once in my life if it happens again i will be ready for it.
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yeah I really do not get the no gun in your personal car while at work. It is to protect me, I have to drive to and from work, I understand not coming in the store with it on, but in my car, that is my personal space. I mean there is no smoking inside the store either but they have a smokers area right outside the door and you can in your car whats the difference.
maybe if someone breaks into my car and steals it or comes in the store with it to rob them? but my car does have a alarm, i keep it locked. its in another locked spot in the car. I need protection, I have been car jacked at gun point once in my life if it happens again i will be ready for it.
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One rather large nationaly know plant in my area had a no guns allowed posted at the gates to the parking area. That went for us contractor personal also.
They also also had a strict rule no booze of any kind inside the plant and parking area They had security at the gates from the parking area into the main plant and at random they would tell you to open your lunch box. You refused they escorted you off of property never to return. They also on occasion would go to a car/ truck in the parking area and demand to search the car/truck. Same deal no loookie no entry EVER. I know quite a few people that got bounced out of that place. FYI I was never asked or searched in my work times at that place.
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No firearms on company or customer property, Fed Law no firearms in a Commercial vehicle. We are not allowed to protect ourselves with the high risk of being high jacked or robbed.
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02-13-2016, 06:18 PM
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I work for a large bank in a secure facility. We are not allowed to carry at work, but the facility has card access control and a guard at the front door. Technically, per our hand book, we are not allowed to have a weapon on company property, but state law allows me to have it in my vehicle, so I take it off when I get to work, put it in the glove compartment, lock it, and take it out when I leave.
My boss knows I have CCDW and he informed me of company policy and state law after I got it. He said if I was caught with it on at work, I would be terminated, but they couldn't keep it out of my vehicle nor could they ask or search it. I respect the company policy because i like my job.
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I work for a large bank in a secure facility. We are not allowed to carry at work, but the facility has card access control and a guard at the front door. Technically, per our hand book, we are not allowed to have a weapon on company property, but state law allows me to have it in my vehicle, so I take it off when I get to work, put it in the glove compartment, lock it, and take it out when I leave.
My boss knows I have CCDW and he informed me of company policy and state law after I got it. He said if I was caught with it on at work, I would be terminated, but they couldn't keep it out of my vehicle nor could they ask or search it. I respect the company policy because i like my job.
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Now when you guys are saying cause of state laws your allowed to have it in your car, what do you mean?
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02-15-2016, 08:04 AM
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Like others have said, where I work will get you escorted out and immediately terminated for having any type of weapon. We do have security at both entrances, though. They are armed with walkie talkies. Great security, not!
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I am a lineman for an electric utility. When I started in 1978 most of us were hunters and shooters. We used to bring guns to work all of the time to show them off or trade or buy and sell.
Younger management and younger employees; new written policies forbidding possession of firearms on company property, including in a locked privately owned vehicle.
Only four of us hunt and only two of us shoot for recreation. The younger guys are all golfers, a few of them fish but they have no interest in guns or hunting. Heck, they don't even drink coffee!! Sheesh.
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Same way at DTE (Detroit Edison).
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I work for the Federal Government. They are WAY left on the interpretation of any law or cause with the exception of the second amendment which stops at the front gate.
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They kind of insist on it
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My first post said, if your not a officer or security of some kind lol. I always wanted to do Security but never have. well I got a job as a un armed one once, but my car broke down the day I was suppose to start and they fired me
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02-15-2016, 05:58 PM
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I am not an LEO but I do carry at work, and I have an issued weapon. I'm a city Fire Marshal. No other firefighters are allowed to carry at work. I do have to qualify with our PD, same course of fire. I also carry off duty with a CPL.
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My first post said, if your not a officer or security of some kind lol. I always wanted to do Security but never have. well I got a job as a un armed one once, but my car broke down the day I was suppose to start and they fired me
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If you don't get the right job security sucks.
I'm a third party contractor for the local utility company. I've been there 8 years. I spent 2years working nights at a power plant that's 20 miles from town 18 months working nights as a guard at a Petrochemical storage facility that was on the other edge of town and 3 years as the supervisor on the same site. During the first 18 months I literally never had any visitors and during the 3 years of days I had maybe 20 a month.
Then they "rewarded" my service by sending me to a more "high profile" post for a year and a half and I hated it.
Now I work nights as a rover and I spend my whole shift driving all over the county checking substations,lift stations and natural gas meter stations (including my old site) all by myself in the middle of the night and I'm happier than a pig in the poop
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Yep. My boss is a swell guy.....
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Well here's an example of how one person can spoil it for everybody.
Background: I was a mechanic for the small city where I live for 25 years (retired now). Officially the policy was no guns. Unofficially, nobody cared. It wasn't at all unusual for a person to bring in his latest acquisition to show off. Occasionally guys would sell or swap guns at work. And while nobody ever said outright, I suspect there was more than one in toolboxes around the place.
Those of us who were "on-call" often took a gun with us if we had to go out in the middle of the night.
Heck, the mayor we had for many years would bring his car in for service and standard procedure was to reach between the front seats, remove his Model 36 and put it in the office until the job was done.
Like I said, nobody cared.
But then one day a guy walked into the Public Works office with a complaint. It seems he was a bit upset and got a little boisterous. Turns out that he was an armed guard and in uniform. Now, mind you, this guy never once so much as touched his weapon or threatened anyone. But, one of the ladies got scared just because the guy was armed and complained to her boss.
The next day the sign department was plastering No Guns signs on every city building.
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The hospital I work at has a no gun policy, but state law permits it being stored in our "personal mode of conveyance" even on employer-owned parking lots. Inside the building is a no-no. All four of the folks in my department own at least one, the cardiologist's nurse owns at least one, and the CEO of the hospital was showing my director his new Alien Gear holster last week.
That being said, my job does not lend itself to carrying while working. Scrubs won't hold the weight of a gun, and with the lead protection that we wear (sometimes for 4hrs at a time), it would get very uncomfortable very quickly. Having a gun fall to the floor from the waistband/belly band holster during a sterile procedure would be very, very bad.
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Now when you guys are saying cause of state laws your allowed to have it in your car, what do you mean?
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Our state law says that employers cannot ban guns from employees' "personal mode of conveyance" even on employer-owned property. Meaning: we get to lock it up in our car. I will have to try and find it again, but when our law was changed to allow this, there was at least one woman who testified before the committee that the law needed to be that way so she could protect herself from her estranged SO before she reached her house. If work banned it from her car, she had no way to protect herself between work and home, thus effectively negating the 2nd Amendment and our state constitution.
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The State of Wisconsin allows our Departmental employees (non law enforcement) to confidentially cc, anywhere it is legal for the public to do so.
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I am medically retired, with over 35 years in autoservice (half the time in management) I worked small mom and pop and they where fine with carry .And the largest. Tire Kingdom. They would fire ya if they found out they didn't. The large companies. have no regard for employees or management.Many got robbed takeing the store deposit to bank. I carried every days 14 hours plus.
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I'm retired, so I can carry!
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No..... I work at a major airport and TSA does not have a since of humor at all........ go figure... argggh
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I'm retired now but rather be fired, than not able to defend my self.
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They say i can't, thats all I'm going to say.
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I work for the military. Of course they don't let me carry.
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