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How to stop my handle from pushing my tshirt out
I have the uncle mikes soft iwb holster, i carry appendix and my sd40ve handle pushes my tshirt out, what can i do to stop this?
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Some suggestions for what they are worth. I mean no disrespect.
1. Get a better holster.
2. Carry at a different location.
3. Wear something other than a tee shirt.
4. Acquire a smaller pistol.
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So many possibilities: Better holster, bigger tee shirt, better belt, smaller gut, change holster positions, smaller gun . . . Must have been typing at the same time as Inusuit.
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Thats what i thought. I carry apendix because its comfortable and much, much faster to get and have at the ready then any other carry ive tried, in the navy i carried here because it was closer to centerline and mor accessible, the 40ve i like for the shear fact that its fat and slow, i dont wanna hit 3 people in a line if i did ever have to use it and the holster i agree i need a better one lol and im 6ft1 at 184, i have no gut on me, i thought that would help having no gut but it doesnt, no one carries a full size in this position without printing?
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Larger t-shirt. Shirts with a printed pattern show less than a solid color.
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I don't carry AIWB, but it is something I've looked into. Definitely look into a better holster. I can't remember makes/models offhand, but I know there are a number of kydex holsters that feature a wedge on the body-side that levers the gun's grip into your body. Something like that might help.
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Dark star gear, keepers concealment, Jmkydex and several more have a built in wedge or a claw at the attachment point that tucks the butt. Maybe look at "aiwb holster hack" an article by Limatunes.
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I have the uncle mikes soft iwb holster, i carry appendix and my sd40ve handle pushes my tshirt out, what can i do to stop this?
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This is why most of us have a box of barely used holsters in a corner of the gun room . . .
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Thats what i thought. I carry apendix because its comfortable and much, much faster to get and have at the ready then any other carry ive tried, in the navy i carried here because it was closer to centerline and mor accessible, the 40ve i like for the shear fact that its fat and slow, i dont wanna hit 3 people in a line if i did ever have to use it and the holster i agree i need a better one lol and im 6ft1 at 184, i have no gut on me, i thought that would help having no gut but it doesnt, no one carries a full size in this position without printing?
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Try right at 12:00, 12:30. Works much better for me. Roll the holster so the grip tucks into the belt a little. It'll roll back out but may settle it in a little better.
I have a Premier brand IWB that does a great job for me.
As suggested, different attire will change how the gun carries.
You'll get it.
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Hate to break it to you, but the holster you bought is not at all ideal for appendix carry with a full size pistol.
I mentioned it in the other thread when you asked about holsters for your pistol, and I'll mention it here also - JM Custom Kydex makes one of the better holsters you will find for appendix carry for your pistol.
I know it is kind of difficult to swallow the cost of a holster that is nearly a full third of the price of the pistol you purchased, but a carry holster is not one of the things you should skimp on. A good holster and a good belt are worth the cost, and will last you many years of daily carry.
I am close to your size, and I can conceal a full size M&P - plus a spare mag. - under a large t-shirt just fine with a JM holster.
Cheap holsters suck - those **** nylon "one size fits most" Uncle Mike holsters suck the most. They have their place, and I suppose they work OK for some people, but for daily appendix carry with a full size pistol there are so many better options.
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Frankly, the appendix carry doesn't appeal much to me, seeing as how an accidental discharge (and they do happen) is going to hit something vital, like the femoral artery or family jewels...
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OP would do well to actually get some training (not a ccw class: several days of instruction) to learn how to draw and shoot (presentation of the pistol).
Appendix carry isn't an option high on my list of good ideas.
Training will help OP understand he can present his pistol as quickly (actually faster) from a strong side holster as an appendix rig.
Cheap holsters and belts are the biggest mistake novices make, second only to learning gun handling from u tube.
You need to be willing to spend serious money on these components: $250.00 for both belt and holster is quite reasonable (no fancy leather or decoration).
If you aren't willing to spend the money on training and good equipment, it's hard to offer helpful advice.
OP's problem is more significant than printing.
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Uncle Mike's holsters are unsuitable for anything other than a drink coaster, and even for that purpose they're poor.
Invest a real holster; it's money well spent.
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Most people wear a size larger shirt when carrying a gun.
I realize younger people don't like baggy clothes.
But I've reached the age where baggy is my friend.
I've got a few T shirts from Duluth Trading that are both baggy and somewhat longer to cover the top half of my pants pockets. (I usually pocket carry).
I also found Propper Polo shirts are longer than most and make great cover shirts.
Also, they are tailored to fit better (for me anyway) than most other shirts.
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Many times a better holster helps a great deal.
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!!!throw that holster out the window before you hurt yourself!!!
those kind of holsters are useless not to mention dangerous for normal carry and stupidly dangerous for AIWB carry
that being said after you throw that deathtrap away buy a purpose built AIWB holster...CCC shaggy...JMCK...Keepers etc and a quality gun belt and you will be able to carry a full size easily
Im 6ft and 180 t0 190 and carry a Hk45c with the 10 rnd elephant foot mag under snug tshirts and polos easily
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Aloha Shirts conceal better and are cooler to wear.
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Buy a real holster, how do you reholster with what you have one handed, if your holster does not allow for one handed reholsters it is not a holster.
A very wise man said to me "buy a good holster, cheap ones will get you killed"No disrespect but uncle Mikes holsters are also known as fruit of the loom holsters. Also a good gun belt is needed with any real holster.
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Like wsr said above, get a good holster, such as a JM Custom Kydex IWB, (or even a Remora can often help with printing).
Here's a Glock 19 in a JM Custom Kydex "George" holster:
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in wisconsin there's no such thing as "printing" so i don't worry about it. check your state law to see if you need to change anything so you don't "print".
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You must have to bend your wrist and raise your elbow to extremes when drawing from an AIWB holster. Admitted it is easier to reach when sitting (e.g., when driving), but I would find sitting with that rig highly uncomfortable.
I conceal perfectly well with a good IWB (e.g., Sparks VM2) placed about 4:30, and my hand and wrist remain in perfect alignment throughout the presentation. It's not easy to reach when driving, but there are other ways to carry behind the wheel. The grip is held so tightly to my side, the checkering prints on my skin.
Uncle Mike holsters make lousy coasters.
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I have the uncle mikes soft iwb holster, i carry appendix and my sd40ve handle pushes my tshirt out, what can i do to stop this?
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Do what I do. I dont care
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You must have to bend your wrist and raise your elbow to extremes when drawing from an AIWB holster. Admitted it is easier to reach when sitting (e.g., when driving), but I would find sitting with that rig highly uncomfortable.
I conceal perfectly well with a good IWB (e.g., Sparks VM2) placed about 4:30, and my hand and wrist remain in perfect alignment throughout the presentation. It's not easy to reach when driving, but there are other ways to carry behind the wheel. The grip is held so tightly to my side, the checkering prints on my skin.
Uncle Mike holsters make lousy coasters.
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I actually find it to be the quickest to draw from and most comfortable spot...obviously, YMMV as appears to be the case.
I also like having the firearm toward the front of my body to be able to access it with either hand or protect it in a scuffle.
I've been carrying appendix since the 80's so I'm pretty used to it. Funny thing is that the other day I strapped on a couple of my custom kydex OWB holsters for my two Glocks and it hurt my shoulder and lower bicep to reach back and draw from behind the hip. It was much better when I brought the holsters in to 3 o'clock. Go figure.
(I have had some sports and work related rotator cuff injuries in years past, but thankfully never requiring surgery.)
No matter how you do it, be safe and keep training.
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I carry cross-draw at 10:30 - 11:00 So not exactly like the OP. And, I use a DeSantis Sof-Tuk holster, which is what many would call cheap. And I carry a Shield, so not as big a gun as the OP. The butt of my gun will stick out a bit most days. I mitigate this by wearing dark colored, larger, loose fitting shirts. Works great.
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You must have to bend your wrist and raise your elbow to extremes when drawing from an AIWB holster. Admitted it is easier to reach when sitting (e.g., when driving), but I would find sitting with that rig highly uncomfortable.
I conceal perfectly well with a good IWB (e.g., Sparks VM2) placed about 4:30, and my hand and wrist remain in perfect alignment throughout the presentation. It's not easy to reach when driving, but there are other ways to carry behind the wheel. The grip is held so tightly to my side, the checkering prints on my skin.
Uncle Mike holsters make lousy coasters.
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You must be double jointed if your hand and wrist stay in perfect alignment from 4:30, the majority of people break the wrist when drawing from behind the hip it's just the way the body works...and it's really not a issue from 4:30 or AIWB there is plenty of time between holster and target to get your hand and wrist straight
As far as elbows, aiwb is just as fast (usually faster) as 4:30 so what does it matter how high the elbow goes?
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in wisconsin there's no such thing as "printing" so i don't worry about it. check your state law to see if you need to change anything so you don't "print".
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Of course there is printing it just doesn't matter
When I CC I want it to be concealed if I'm not gonna conceal I just OC
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Depends on the state and such. Plus a little executive discretion. Some places, "concealed" means "no part is visible". Other places, "no reasonable person would guess you have a gun". And still others, "no printing".
Likewise, some cops don't go around giving hunters a hard time if they happen to stop into a coffee shop with a BUG showing--even open carry'd--out in the sticks. After all, the place is already full of guys with slung rifles and shotguns.
But if you're in a concealed-only state and you're out walking around with a t-shirt so tight you can read the logo on the grips, yeah, you're gonna have a bad time.
A good concealed carry class will lay out all the different types of holsters, including what separates cheap from inexpensive, and inexpensive from high-quality. They should also go over what qualifies as acceptable concealment in your state.
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There are some UM holsters that actually are usable, but that one isn't it.
Better holster, decent belt, thicker tee shirt.
Dress like a grow up with some flavor of real short sleeve shirt.
Come to accept that a moderate bulge/ wrinkle in a shirt usually isn't noticed, and if it were, would more likely to be considered a smart phone than a :un.
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In Illinois I guess we are lucky as our law say "Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed from view of the public
With that being the law I still try to carry completely concealed at all times myself !! I have found around 4 with a good IWB holster like Garrett Industries GX holster I'm able to conceal my 40 Compact with very little trouble .. the holster is canted where the butt of the pistol sits tight against my back or side .. the use of a good gun belt is a must .. if you don't have a good belt the butt of the pistol will roll outward revealing the butt against your shirt revealing the pistol ..
Concealing takes both a good holster the proper placement for your body size and shape and a good strong gun belt !! Lacking any one of these elements and you won't be able to accomplish your goal of concealment !!
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That pistola may be too big to prevent all printing. I like the Uncle Mikes. Very comfortable and gives a nice low ride for AIWB. I used it myself and often. However, I find that guns closer in size to something like a Shield or Glock 26 work best - at least with the style of shirt I prefer to wear. I don't like over sized t-shirts or sloppy fitting shirts. Funny thing is that people normally don't look at your midsection. So a small poke out here or there isn't going to get noticed.
I've recently been using a Vedder Light Tuck for AIWB. Its adjustable for ride height and cant. Very thin design that doesn't add anymore girth than you Uncle Mikes. Also gives better retention. Costs a bit more than a UM. You might find that you can "tune" this holster to minimize printing with your gun.
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This is why most of us have a box of barely used holsters in a corner of the gun room . . .
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Amen to that!! lol
Also try Alien Gear holsters That's what I use and have never had anyone say a word about it printing and I do have a gut!!
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Thats what i thought. I carry apendix because its comfortable and much, much faster to get and have at the ready then any other carry ive tried, in the navy i carried here because it was closer to centerline and mor accessible, the 40ve i like for the shear fact that its fat and slow, i dont wanna hit 3 people in a line if i did ever have to use it and the holster i agree i need a better one lol and im 6ft1 at 184, i have no gut on me, i thought that would help having no gut but it doesnt, no one carries a full size in this position without printing?
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Most civilians don't carry full size guns.
If you go a couple of sizes larger in your shirts it may not print...but you'll look like you were dressed by a tent maker.
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From what I see of that specific model it's a variant of the SAFE action type trigger. That almost mandates a hard trigger cover which significantly influences what kind of holster you need. At the very least a kydex or molded plastic holster anywhere the trigger is housed or passes by.
A curled edge on a fabric holster can engage the trigger while reholstering - therefore it would be required to be removed each time to watch that isn't happening. Especially with appendix carry. Ouch.
Some instructors have gone so far as to ban that holster in their class, I see it as another thing - not pacing the class so that a combat speed reholster is necessary to get some training on draw into a tightly scheduled program. A CCW carrier doesn't need to reholster immediately - and in point of fact it's been recommended to set the pistol aside in the open so LEO's are less quirky approaching. They can see it and the owners empty hands.
As for the holster itself the hard molded ones are generally made to hold the butt closer to the body and can force that conformance, where a fabric holster yields to anything in it or around it. That leaves a gun in a "neutral" position where it may well stick out far too much for concealments benefit. Even with a good holster others tend to camoflage they are carrying by having their cell phone close by to make it seem that is the reason for the bulge. And on the rare instance you discover it's someone insulin pump, too.
The average passerby doesn't really look that much. Lots of junk on belts these days, including multitools, sheath knives, pepper spray, etc.
If - if - I were carrying appendix (and in this fantasy had my 29 year old stomach) I would carry with a quality kydex made for that specific gun in that position, with adjustable cant. A smaller hybrid type holster. But, being me, I carry otherwise with smaller guns in the summer, and rarely in a t-shirt.
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Camouflage is not about being invisible, it's about not being noticed. Does it really matter if the handle pushes your shirt out a little?
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Hawaiian shirts are just cool! I carry my Model 12 or Model 13 OWB in an old Bucheimer "Concealer" thumb break under mine with zero problems "printing."
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Thats what i thought. I carry apendix because its comfortable and much, much faster to get and have at the ready then any other carry ive tried, in the navy i carried here because it was closer to centerline and mor accessible, the 40ve i like for the shear fact that its fat and slow, i dont wanna hit 3 people in a line if i did ever have to use it and the holster i agree i need a better one lol and im 6ft1 at 184, i have no gut on me, i thought that would help having no gut but it doesnt, no one carries a full size in this position without printing?
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I don't know if this will help you or not. This is a 4" Smith & Wesson Model 66. I'm 6'1" I do have some gut overhang. I've worn this daily for several years and haven't been "outed" yet.
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Loose 20 pounds !
IWB is for skinny persons...Look at blues7 and Owen49... notice how both are slim and trim...it easy for them !
I couldn't loose the weight , so I went to pocket carry .
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Loose 20 pounds !
IWB is for skinny persons...Look at blues7 and Owen49... notice how both are slim and trim...it easy for them !
I couldn't loose the weight , so I went to pocket carry .
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I knew I liked you for a reason.
Not slim or svelte by any means but age catches up with us all.
At 5'10", 175 lbs. I've got more midsection than I care for but so it goes...
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Stay out of the Goat Locker.
Easiest thing is to modify clothing until you find a style that doesn't print. That is a PITA to do.
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You can if you wish do as I do and put a push pad on your appendix holster....it will push the bottom of the holster away from your body and push the gun handle into your body. It is made of spungy foam rubber which can be purchased at most any craft store. Here is my appendix rig with the push pad I attached...
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I would suggest getting a holster with a push pad (explained above) and also get one that has a extended tab that uses the belt to twist the gun into your body. The pad pushes the gun towards you vertically and the belt tab pushes it closer to you horizontally. Between the two of them they really cut down on printing. There are several manufacturers that make a variation on the belt tab and they all have their own name for it. I use an Eidolon from Raven Concealment that has both (pictures below) and I love it, but there are a lot of good ones out there that use the same concept.
You can also add the foam piece to an existing holster if you want. The belt tab is a little more complicated to make but you can buy it individually from Raven (they call it the Claw) and just screw it on to another Kydex holster.
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Quote:
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Loose 20 pounds !
IWB is for skinny persons...Look at blues7 and Owen49... notice how both are slim and trim...it easy for them !
I couldn't loose the weight , so I went to pocket carry .
Gary
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Slim and trim, huh? I weigh 200 and too many and there is plenty hanging over my belt buckle, but thanks for the compliment.
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Heck, my cell phone prints more than my gun does, and nobody ever said anything about that. Most people would just think your carrying a phone anyway.
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Work out ,lose some weight and and say goodbye to those "love handles"
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