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Old 09-25-2016, 10:05 AM
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When the new NRA ad came out showing a woman with a gun calling police because she's having a home invasion, the media instantly called it a lot of bee ess because this stuff doesn't happen. Then this the other day an Atlanta woman shoots at THREE armed home invaders killing one. all filmed so good I thought it was fake. This hasn't appeared on the Yahoo so called news page yet. Wonder why. Watch how these tough guys run away in fear.

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I was surprised at how much air time that story got down here on the local network.
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If it is genuine I'm putting my money on "more to the story." The intruders look like they know what they're after and the lady seems completely ready for action, more so than I would be right out of bed. That's not her residence so she is there for a reason.

Good for her if it's for real, though. Good thing she's not in Kalifornistan where we don't "need" standard cap magazines...
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When the new NRA ad came out showing a woman with a gun calling police because she's having a home invasion, the media instantly called it a lot of bee ess because this stuff doesn't happen. Then this the other day an Atlanta woman shoots at THREE armed home invaders killing one. all filmed so good I thought it was fake. This hasn't appeared on the Yahoo so called news page yet. Wonder why. Watch how these tough guys run away in fear.

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I love fairytale happy endings. These thieves were well practiced but not practiced enough. One down-two to go. Also, tons of fingerprints left behind.
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It was real enough. The woman ran a seafood business from that home. She likely was targeted for being a person that took cash home. The local news stated the lady was unaware that she had killed one of the robbers until someone found his body in the yard.

Tough break, I am sure the young man was in the midst of turning his life around.
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Tough break, I am sure the young man was in the midst of turning his life around.
She turned it around for him...
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I hate to be the wet blanket, but here it goes. While I agree 100% the perps got what they deserved, I predict that in the least she will be sued by the deceased persons family members, and at the worse, have charges pressed for shooting at them when they were fleeing. Again, I hope it doesn't come to pass, just seen it happen too often.
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I hate to be the wet blanket, but here it goes. While I agree 100% the perps got what they deserved, I predict that in the least she will be sued by the deceased persons family members, and at the worse, have charges pressed for shooting at them when they were fleeing. Again, I hope it doesn't come to pass, just seen it happen too often.
I don't know about there, but here, the family of the dead thug could sue all they wanted. Even if they won, they couldn't collect a penny.

I imagine it's tough to find a lawyer who'll work on contingency, KNOWING that he's going to get 1/3 of NOTHING.
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I am just sad to see her miss the other two home invaders!!

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If it is genuine I'm putting my money on "more to the story." The intruders look like they know what they're after and the lady seems completely ready for action, more so than I would be right out of bed. That's not her residence so she is there for a reason.

Good for her if it's for real, though. Good thing she's not in Kalifornistan where we don't "need" standard cap magazines...
I think the any more to the story is she has shot enough to be a problem for those three idiots.

As far a right out of bed, Who knows? Lots of restaurant people keep weird hours.

I have no clue if she was there for a reason other than a place to live but being she is a manager I'll bet the restaurant owner gives her a break for living in the house/warehouse.

Anyway you look at it she is no one to mess with and those idiots were thinking it was a soft target. Surprise!
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When I first saw it, I also thought it was too good to be true. The bad guys almost seemed to be hamming it up for the camera when they entered the place holding their guns.

But it checks out on all media so far I've been able to find it on, and the video (you can find the complete released footage on youtube) was released by Gwinnett County police. It's pretty impressive. And it provides a good glimpse how chaotic real-life self-defense can play out.

That lady just stormed out and kept fighting. That's what you have to do. And then she calmly got on the phone. I just hope for her that the dead perp didn't die from catching that last bullet she fired out the door after them. In some states that could get her in big trouble.
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It said that the thug in the wig was the one she killed. Look at the lower video at around 3:10 onward on the counter. The video that's 5:33 long. That guy and another enter the door to the left and the shooting starts. He looks hit right there crouched down and then they run outside to the right. It doesn't look like one of her shots out the door, the ones we are concerned about, was one that killed the guy. Unless she hit him again then. Though there's no visable blood on the floor, I think he was hit in the room and died outside moments later.

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I hate to be the wet blanket, but here it goes. While I agree 100% the perps got what they deserved, I predict that in the least she will be sued by the deceased persons family members, and at the worse, have charges pressed for shooting at them when they were fleeing. Again, I hope it doesn't come to pass, just seen it happen too often.
Well, I guess if they shot and killed her she wouldn't get sued in court.
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The video showed up in my face book news feed a day or two ago, which wasn't real surprising, nor were some of the comments criticizing her approach which resulted in one of the shooters ending up behind her.

The detractors more or less missed the point that even a poor plan violently and rapidly executed is better than a perfect plan executed too late to achieve surprise or gain/maintain the initiative.

IMHO, she did just fine, seizing the initiative, taking them by surprise and putting them to flight despite the 3 to 1 odds. They obviously were not anticipating an armed response.
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The video showed up in my face book news feed a day or two ago, which wasn't real surprising, nor were some of the comments criticizing her approach which resulted in one of the shooters ending up behind her.

The detractors more or less missed the point that even a poor plan violently and rapidly executed is better than a perfect plan executed too late to achieve surprise or gain/maintain the initiative.

IMHO, she did just fine, seizing the initiative, taking them by surprise and putting them to flight despite the 3 to 1 odds. They obviously were not anticipating an armed response.
The other thing to keep in mind when viewing the video is that it is 4AM and the cameras are providing a night vision view. It was dark and in an unlit room with boxes piled to the ceiling, which is why it looks like a Scooby-Doo routine with all the bad guys running back and forth blindly crossing each other's lines.

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The other thing to keep in mind when viewing the video is that it is 4AM and the cameras are providing a night vision view. It was dark and in an unlit room with boxes piled to the ceiling, which is why it looks like a Scooby-Doo routine with all the bad guys running back and forth blindly crossing each other's lines.
What a great point! DUH!! I saw it looked like night vision but still looked at in terms of a not so dimly lit room. And her phone was super bright, almost as bright as the shots going off.
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She turned it around for him...
...and since he apparently wasn't immediately incapacitated by his wound, perhaps he had a few precious moments to reflect on the wisdom of his life choices.

Fortunately, no one will ever know what may have happened to her had the three thugs found her unarmed.
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...and since he apparently wasn't immediately incapacitated by his wound, perhaps he had a few precious moments to reflect on the wisdom of his life choices.

Fortunately, no one will ever know what may have happened to her had the three thugs found her unarmed.
I think we have a pretty good idea:

Cheshire, CT Home Invasion Murders

Strangely, I've had more than one person tell me that if you just submit, you'll be just fine...
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I hate to be the wet blanket, but here it goes. While I agree 100% the perps got what they deserved, I predict that in the least she will be sued by the deceased persons family members, and at the worse, have charges pressed for shooting at them when they were fleeing. Again, I hope it doesn't come to pass, just seen it happen too often.
This ain't Michigan.
From the Georgia Code . . . .

Title 51. Torts

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§ 51-11-9. Immunity from civil liability for threat or use of force in defense of habitation

A person who is justified in threatening or using force against another under the provisions of Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat from the use of such force and shall not be held liable to the person against whom the use of force was justified or to any person acting as an accomplice or assistant to such person in any civil action brought as a result of the threat or use of such force.
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I'd have to say that was one gutsy woman to take on 3 armed robbers, I wouldn't want to attempt that without my 12 GA loaded with 00 buck and my 9mm as backup
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Cheshire, CT Home Invasion Murders

Strangely, I've had more than one person tell me that if you just submit, you'll be just fine...
That reminds me of another that happened during the winter in one of the northern states. I forget the location and name of the case but 4 broke into some home where 4 or 5 younger (early 20s I think?) guys and gals were staying. Ill skip the morbid details, but each of the 4 took turns with all the females after forcing the couples to "put on a show" then stripped the all-took them outside and described how they were going to die. I cant remember if this was in Illinois? but somewhere in the area.

The 4 were found and given various sentences. Not enough justice IMO.
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I nominate her for the Sarah McKinley Award.
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Most likely the woman woke up to the sounds of the intrusion and rushed in not realizing she had multiple attackers to deal with. She was fortunate.
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A person who is justified in threatening or using force against another under the provisions of Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat from the use of such force and shall not be held liable to the person against whom the use of force was justified or to any person acting as an accomplice or assistant to such person in any civil action brought as a result of the threat or use of such force.
Everything in that says defense. At the point they are running away, it's no longer defense, it's offense. Doesn't matter what state you live in, unless maybe it's the state of confusion.

Ask your attorney general's office, or local prosecuting attorney if you can get away with shooting a man in the back while he's fleeing from you. And note that I'm not saying that I don't think they deserve getting shot, just what is legal and what's not.
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Everything in that says defense. At the point they are running away, it's no longer defense, it's offense. Doesn't matter what state you live in, unless maybe it's the state of confusion.

Ask your attorney general's office, or local prosecuting attorney if you can get away with shooting a man in the back while he's fleeing from you. And note that I'm not saying that I don't think they deserve getting shot, just what is legal and what's not.
If you read the article carefully, it states that at least one of the thugs returned fire. She was engaged in a fire-fight against multiple assailants. I would bet you $50 dollars against a nickel that no prosecutor in Georgia (even Gwinnett County) would dare bring charges against her. Doesn't matter that they/he were "running away." They were in her home, shooting at her. She returned fire, and kept shooting until the threat was neutralized.

Again, things are a little different here.
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If you read the article carefully, it states that at least one of the thugs returned fire. She was engaged in a fire-fight against multiple assailants. I would bet you $50 dollars against a nickel that no prosecutor in Georgia (even Gwinnett County) would dare bring charges against her. Doesn't matter that they/he were "running away." They were in her home, shooting at her. She returned fire, and kept shooting until the threat was neutralized.

Again, things are a little different here.
The article does not say that. Regardless, that still won't stop an ambulance chaser from suing for wrongful death though. As I stated, I support her 100% but I'd only be one member of the jury.
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I know as I watched the video I thought, "good on her", until I saw the shots out the door. Then I thought, "oh boy I hope those shots don't come back to haunt her."
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If the cops found shell casings from the guy's guns outside from shooting back towards her right after they ran out, that still sounds like defense to me on her part. They sure can't say they were just defending themselves from her. And if they did shoot, those rounds could have easily went throught the wall or door and killed her.
And a sad, but good in this case reality. She's a woman and a minority which is in her favor here. Those factors in the real world nowadays effect D.A.s and prosecutors who are pressured politically.
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I know as I watched the video I thought, "good on her", until I saw the shots out the door. Then I thought, "oh boy I hope those shots don't come back to haunt her."
She has no duty to retreat. They were returning fire. Under Georgia's Castle Doctrine law (as previously posted) she did everything right.

More information has been made public. The male who was in the house with her was actually an employee, who was sleeping in another part of the house. One of the thugs held a gun to his head, demanding money. She woke up, called 911, then tended to business.

Under the Castle Doctrine law, and given the circumstances, she is immune from civil liability.

They might give her a medal, though.



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The article does not say that.
OK, this report from the Gwinnett County Govt. does say that.

September 16, 2016, 6:00am: Gwinnett County Police are investigating the shooting death of a man who kicked in the front door of an Atlanta home and was shot by the homeowner. Shortly before 4am, police responded to the 3500 block of Spring Drive in Atlanta in unincorporated Gwinnett County. The homeowner told dispatchers that she and another male were awoken to the sounds of someone entering their home. The female retrieved her handgun and went to investigate the sounds. She discovered at least three males coming through the front door. At that point, she began firing rounds from her handgun and struck at least one suspect in the torso killing him. At least one of the other two suspects began exchanging gunfire with the homeowner as the suspects fled the scene.

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Everything in that says defense. At the point they are running away, it's no longer defense, it's offense. Doesn't matter what state you live in, unless maybe it's the state of confusion.

Ask your attorney general's office, or local prosecuting attorney if you can get away with shooting a man in the back while he's fleeing from you. And note that I'm not saying that I don't think they deserve getting shot, just what is legal and what's not.
So what is your take on an assailant fleeing towards cover or concealment after you engage him or her?

More to the point, how exactly do you divine the intent of the assailant - to retreat to cover and then turn and return fire from a better position, or to fully retreat and leave your residence?

You could of course be charged after an event like this, even if you have not broken the law, if that's not immediately clear, but most prosecutors will apply some sort of reasonable person standard unless they are very strongly motivated by anti-gun politics.

In this case, I'll wager most prosecutors would not second guess a women engaging 3 armed men, in the dark, who broke into her home to commit a felony.
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So what is your take on an assailant fleeing towards cover or concealment after you engage him or her?

More to the point, how exactly do you divine the intent of the assailant - to retreat to cover and then turn and return fire from a better position, or to fully retreat and leave your residence?
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Agree 100%

A small woman, just awakened out of her bed, in the dark, confronted by multiple armed home invaders who have scattered themselves around her house. How is she supposed to know how many there are and where the next shot is coming from?

Yeah, let's examine her actions under a microscope. Surely she made a mistake somewhere.
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Everything in that says defense. At the point they are running away, it's no longer defense, it's offense. Doesn't matter what state you live in, unless maybe it's the state of confusion.

Ask your attorney general's office, or local prosecuting attorney if you can get away with shooting a man in the back while he's fleeing from you. And note that I'm not saying that I don't think they deserve getting shot, just what is legal and what's not.
I differ, thugs arent men, and heree, you use whats necssary to stop the problem. That went into effect 2007.
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I know as I watched the video I thought, "good on her", until I saw the shots out the door. Then I thought, "oh boy I hope those shots don't come back to haunt her."
With that attitude in mind, YOU will be a victim.
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So what is your take on an assailant fleeing towards cover or concealment after you engage him or her?

More to the point, how exactly do you divine the intent of the assailant - to retreat to cover and then turn and return fire from a better position, or to fully retreat and leave your residence?

You could of course be charged after an event like this, even if you have not broken the law, if that's not immediately clear, but most prosecutors will apply some sort of reasonable person standard unless they are very strongly motivated by anti-gun politics.

In this case, I'll wager most prosecutors would not second guess a women engaging 3 armed men, in the dark, who broke into her home to commit a felony.
Again, it doesn't matter what my take is. It's what the DA and/or a jury thinks. BTW: someone posted a link that makes it sound as if she opened fire while one of the suspects had a gun to her employee's head. That's scary.
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Again, it doesn't matter what my take is. It's what the DA and/or a jury thinks. BTW: someone posted a link that makes it sound as if she opened fire while one of the suspects had a gun to her employee's head. That's scary.
But she couldn't have known that. Proof that she was in another room was that she came out unaware of the thug in her employee's room. She even tells 911 later that there were two guys. I don't think she saw the guy run out past her while she was shooting at the two she did see. and as mentioned, it was dark and we're watching it with the luxury of her camera's night vision. She couldn't. I know you are not getting on her case. You're just well aware of any excuse preosecutors use to go after "certain" people using guns in defense. And you are aware of current law. But it looks like this was OK. The cops say so, too, so far.

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I've been to "after" scenes like this.
The woman did good.
She will be totally exonerated.Given a medal maybe.
The ones that got away probably have Detectives on their *** right now!
The deceased friends will be brought in and "interviewed".
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My favorite part is where the husband finally gets out of bed and comes and takes the gun away.

I'm not sure if she's fearless or crazy.
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My favorite part is where the husband finally gets out of bed and comes and takes the gun away.

I'm not sure if she's fearless or crazy.
He was her employee sleeping in a diferent room as we can see in the video. He said one thug was in his room with a gun at his head demanding money. When she starts shooting the guy did in fact come running from the guy's room, or the same direction he does later.
But it did look at first like the guy let her clean house while he stayed in bed for a while.
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§ 51-11-9. Immunity from civil liability for threat or use of force in defense of habitation

A person who is justified in threatening or using force against another under the provisions of Code Section 16-3-21, relating to the use of force in defense of self or others, Code Section 16-3-23, relating to the use of force in defense of a habitation, or Code Section 16-3-24, relating to the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat from the use of such force and shall not be held liable to the person against whom the use of force was justified or to any person acting as an accomplice or assistant to such person in any civil action brought as a result of the threat or use of such force.
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Not sure that this language would be found to apply in a situation where three armed persons break into a dwelling at 4 am.
I mean, just because there were three of them and they looked like they were armed to the teeth and it was 4:00 AM, how could she be justified when she did not even ask if the perps had real guns loaded with real bullets.
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Victim, not likely. Remember, we shoot until there is no longer a threat. If they are running down the drive way and not shooting back or turning back for second try, there is no longer a threat. That doesn't mean I will not stay at the ready but once they are out the door you had better be able to prove there was still an imminent threat if you continue to shoot; castle doctrine or not.
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Victim, not likely. Remember, we shoot until there is no longer a threat. If they are running down the drive way and not shooting back or turning back for second try, there is no longer a threat. That doesn't mean I will not stay at the ready but once they are out the door you had better be able to prove there was still an imminent threat if you continue to shoot; castle doctrine or not.
That depends on the jurisdiction and the totality of the circumstances.

In this case she was shot - apparently a graze on the head - and was facing three armed intruders in her house.

It's true she continued to fire at two of them after they exited her front door - but on the other hand we have no way of knowing wether or not they left her property, turned around, were pointing a gun at her, or were returning fire after they exited.

Under the circumstances, and given the totality of the circumstances, if she indicated she saw them turn around, point a gun, etc, I'd be satisfied that she was justified in shooting those last shots, regardless of whether or not it was a castle doctrine state. Most reasonable people would probably shoot under those same circumstances.

It's a different story if she were shooting out the front door before they broke into the residence - in that case there would be a much higher burden of proof needed to justify the use of deadly force.
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A friend who used to live in the Houston area once told me the story of a Vietnamese home invasion gang which targeted other Asians, on the premise that they culturally avoid contact with police. They were possibly right in this... to their detriment.

They hit the home of a Vietnamese family... and were promptly slaughtered by the home owner. The wife was taken hostage by the home invaders, but managed to turn on the garage lights, a pre-arranged signal for "trouble". He came home, saw the lights, entered the dwelling and promptly shot the perpetrators to doll rags.

It probably doesn't pay to try to do a home invasion on a former Biet Dong Quan (ARVN Ranger)...
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Victim, not likely. Remember, we shoot until there is no longer a threat. If they are running down the drive way and not shooting back or turning back for second try, there is no longer a threat. That doesn't mean I will not stay at the ready but once they are out the door you had better be able to prove there was still an imminent threat if you continue to shoot; castle doctrine or not.
I know that but, here, you can do so on AND near your property and NOT be prosecuted. Hence that castle law going into effect an d signed by Gov. Rick Perry.

Here you CAN actually be in the street and still classified as protecting your property and family. Like I said, you will be a victim, I REFUSE to be. BTW, the District Atty and Police Chief both, have been in public saying what I said above.

Just think on it, a kidnapper dragging your daughter away-you are right behind and with gun in hand. Do you actually think you would not fire to save your kid, I HIGHLY doubt it???? Dont give me that "if I have a clear shot thing" because I know you and any other father would fire, to save that child. I sure as hell would. You would also be hailed as a real hero.

Also, in my area in the last couple weeks, there have been numerous kidnap attempts--all caught on video-and thankfully, none were a success.

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I'd shoot too if people with three arms broke into my house.
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