CCW while driving

LostintheOzone · #51 12-18-2016, 08:51 PM

State laws can be tricky. WA is an open carry state. Some would think that's a free pass to carry in a vehicle. Wrong. In order to legally carry a loaded firearm in WA in a vehicle you must have a CPL. That's any firearm. Here the LEO knows if you have a CPL when they pull you over and run your plates. I've been pulled over several times in the last few years, all very courteous and professional. Our CPL's
go through the DOL so the LEO has it up on the vehicle license database. I just assume they already know so no point in asking.

Muss Muggins · #52 12-18-2016, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LostintheOzone

State laws can be tricky. WA is an open carry state. Some would think that's a free pass to carry in a vehicle. Wrong. In order to legally carry a loaded firearm in WA in a vehicle you must have a CPL. That's any firearm.

Missouri went completely the other direction when concealed carry passed several years ago. Carry a concealed weapon in public, permit required. Have a concealed weapon in your vehicle, no permit required. In about two weeks, we'll be full Constitutional carry, so all bets are off then . . .

Ziggy2525 · #53 12-19-2016, 08:10 AM

One of the issues in Nebraska, at least the way I understand it, is if a loaded handgun is concealed and not on a person (it's in a glove box, under a seat) it's considered to be in possession of everyone in the vehicle. It can be a problem if you have people in the car with no permit (like your spouse).

scooter123 · #54 12-19-2016, 08:28 AM

I just love that one about being a GUN Dork.

Michigan links the CCW status to the Drivers License database. So ANY Police Officer in ANY STATE who calls in for a record check is going to be informed that I have a CCW. Now, guess how that Officer is going to feel when he is informed that I may be armed? Ta Dah, he isn't going to be thrilled, in fact I would expect him to be a bit more than irritated. This is why I always present my permit with my license and state whether I am armed or not. Because dealing with a Police Officer who is quite irritated during a simple traffic stop is just going to lead for a very thorough enforcement of the Law, meaning no warnings and if the lens on a tail light is even only slightly cracked you'll get a citation for that as well.

Bottomline, being a "Gun Dork" is simply being Polite.

crazyphil · #55 12-19-2016, 08:35 AM

In Idaho we have a duty to inform the LEO that we have a concealed
weapon license. I practice and teach the following if pulled over by
an LEO:

1. Keep both hands on the steering wheel. Don't go digging around
in your pockets, glove box, etc.

2. When the officer asks for your driver's license, hand him/her your
concealed weapons license along with it.

3. When he/she asks if you are carrying, tell them if and where.

4. I have only had the experience of being pulled over once, and
followed my procedure as outlined above. It was no big deal.

5. I don't know why this wouldn't be a reasonable procedure
regardless of where you drive?

Several makers have "driver holsters". They can generally
be worn cross draw on your belt, or clipped to your seat
belt for unencumbered access.
Here is one that I kinda like. Made by Ross. Carrying my
snub nosed Model 10.

Muss Muggins · #56 12-19-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy2525

One of the issues in Nebraska, at least the way I understand it, is if a loaded handgun is concealed and not on a person (it's in a glove box, under a seat) it's considered to be in possession of everyone in the vehicle. It can be a problem if you have people in the car with no permit (like your spouse).

National Park Service officers used to try that around here with marijuana. They'd walk into a campsite on National Scenic Riverway ground, see a joint on a picnic table, and charge everybody within reaching distance with possession of marijuana. Worked until somebody actually litigated it, and a U.S. Magistrate found that multiple people can't possess one joint unless everybody is holding it at the same time . . .

Ziggy2525 · #57 12-19-2016, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Muss Muggins

National Park Service officers used to try that around here with marijuana. They'd walk into a campsite on National Scenic Riverway ground, see a joint on a picnic table, and charge everybody within reaching distance with possession of marijuana. Worked until somebody actually litigated it, and a U.S. Magistrate found that multiple people can't possess one joint unless everybody is holding it at the same time . . .

I suspect the Nebraska law was originally written to address gang bangers that were stopped with a weapon in the car and everybody said "not mine."

I also suspect the only place in Nebraska it would be enforced is Omaha and Lincoln. If you told a rural deputy or town marshal you had a pistol in your glove box, they'd probably say "yeah, who doesn't."

Since the law is on the books, I wouldn't want to be the test case. You may win in the long run, but it would be expensive to prove the point.

Smoke · #58 12-19-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter123

I just love that one about being a GUN Dork.
Bottomline, being a "Gun Dork" is simply being Polite.

FWIW the poster that posted that thread didn't write it, he stole it from an Examiner article

Bpx4st · #59 12-19-2016, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Watchdog

Well, my first question is, if you have a valid concealed carry permit for whatever state you live in, why are you making your gun hard to reach in the event you might need it? It isn't going to do you a bit of good if you can't get ahold of it in a hurry.

I don't see anything here to worry about. If you're legally carrying, there should be no problem. Some states do require you to inform the LEO that there's a loaded handgun/weapon in the vehicle, whether you're carrying it on your person or not. Know your firearms laws and regulations.

In the event there is a problem, do what the cop tells you to do and don't argue about it. If you believe you're being treated unfairly, take it to court.

Well, that depends on the state. In TN, you don't have to have a permit to carry open, concealed, loaded or unloaded in your vehicle...but you do need a permit to carry on your person. No duty to inform either but unless you're not permitted, there's no reason to hide the fact & can actually make life easier. If you're not permitted though, it's best to not have it on your person as the proverbial creek becomes a mess to paddle up.
Know your laws, get permitted & no worries.

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Bpx4st · #60 12-19-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ten_Lights

To answer your question, when I owned that show car I did not own a gun. The only reason that show car came up was because people were saying that I must be doing things to get pulled over when I wasn't even having a problem being pulled over but I did know from experience that you don't have to do something to get pulled over. That was the reason the show car even came up. I'm older now and drive a car that looks like everyone else's so I never get pulled over but I was just wondering people's opinions about getting pulled over while your gun is on your body.
When I was younger I used to say if I was a cop I wouldn't harass young kids that worked and took every penny and put it into their cars. I wouldn't automatically assume the car was obtained illegally or that a person dealing drugs was in it. I knew how hard I worked, even two jobs at a time just to get a new pair of rims, accessories etc added on for the next show. I know guys from back in the day that used to own custom cars, were even part of the car clubs and are now cops and they have told me they know the struggle at times of being young and working hard for your car and I think they are
very nice and understanding to pulling someone over just because of their car.
So to wrap it up, I was just trying to find out was it just me who felt a little uncomfortable with having the gun on my body when in the driver seat/getting pulled over. Justified stop or not I'm just trying to do the right thing and make it home to my family just like I'm sure the officer is.

I have my right to carry because it was never taken from me because I don't break the law and don't intend to.

Straight forward answer...if you have a permit to carry, there's no valid reason to be concerned over a stop. Your uncomfortableness is probably human nature. If, however, you're not permitted, there is a very valid reason for concern, so just don't do it. I dont know the laws in your state for carrying in your car but I think it's safe to assume on the body carry without a permit is a no no. Adjust accordingly.

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