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Old 01-09-2017, 12:14 PM
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Just curious how much you actually practice with your concealed carry weapon. I've talked to more people who hardly ever or never practice since they started carrying. You would think a person who carries or just wants to protect their home would almost become obsessed with becoming as proficient as possible with all the aspects of CC and home protection. Just my 2 cents.
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Work and funds limit my range time. I try to go shooting about 3 times a month and shoot my EDC at least one of those times.

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I shoot twice a week between 150 and 200 rounds at a session. I practice at 7,10 and 25 yards, but I concentrate mostly at 7 yards. I feel most of my encounters for self defense are likely to occur, 7 yards or closer. Since I carry a few different weapons, I rotate them at the range, and sometimes I bring two or three. I print up my own targets on 8x11 paper, I feel if I can put all my shots on the paper in my stressful training practice, I'm doing pretty good.
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I used to force myself to shoot my EDC every six weeks (every third range visit), when I carried something for comfort that was a trade-off in shooting enjoyment.

Now I carry something that takes a bit more effort, but I want to shoot it at every opportunity.
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Usually one to three times a week.

I practice with usually four different pistols.

With a Ruger 1911 and Revolvers. More confident
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Minimum once a month. I have four pistols and just rotate them.
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I shoot twice a week between 150 and 200 rounds at a session. I practice at 7,10 and 25 yards, but I concentrate mostly at 7 yards. I feel most of my encounters for self defense are likely to occur, 7 yards or closer. Since I carry a few different weapons, I rotate them at the range, and sometimes I bring two or three. I print up my own targets on 8x11 paper, I feel if I can put all my shots on the paper in my stressful training practice, I'm doing pretty good.
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I try to get to the range three times a month. At least one of those trips I shoot my carry weapon (Colt Cobra); about 12 to 18 rounds.

I shot at 7 yards into a 7" diameter circle. My last shot is a head shot.

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Due to health reasons, I don't get to the range nearly as often as I once did. When I am there I will shoot a few rounds through my fun/range guns and then concentrate on close range point-and-shoot with my LCP.

I do a lot of dry firing at home.

I also keep one of Ruthie's biscuits in my other pocket in case I run out of ammo.
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The second part of my question.......Do you feel there are alot of people who are not knowledgable enough, do not practice enough and possibly should Not carry concealed. I personally do believe it and the reason I ask is beause I believe excellent forums like this and others must encourage and insist on it. We as members make up this forum. Guess I asnswered my own question.
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In the summer every other week at least .. during the winter every 3 to 4 weeks I shoot at the range 200 to 300 rounds ..

According to how busy the outdoor range is .. I set up 3 targets and do some 3 target moving drills .. moving both to the right and left and shooting from both hands both 2 handed and one handed ..
On occasion I shoot from my back at a target over my head and also shooting between my legs and on my side .. gets rather dirty sometimes and the wife asks what the heck have you been doin ..

Other times I just go and shoot for accuracy and just enjoyment and take other then what I am carrying at the time .. Right now its my Beretta PX 4 Sub-Compact in 9mm ..

During the week I dry fire practice and practice drawing for 15 to 30 minutes 1 or 2 times a week according to my schedule ..

The more muscle memory there is the better/faster you will react in a SD situation ..

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The second part of my question.......Do you feel there are alot of people who are not knowledgable enough, do not practice enough and possibly should Not carry concealed. I personally do believe it and the reason I ask is beause I believe excellent forums like this and others must encourage and insist on it. We as members make up this forum. Guess I asnswered my own question.
Many people probably don't train enough .. you noticed I said train not just practice .. practice - firing the pistol at a standing target .. training - going through SD scenarios where drawing and presenting your weapon .. shooting from the hip .. moving out of danger can all be done at home with an empty pistol ..

Designate a ammo free room in your home and do your dry fire practice in that room only .. and don't allow a loaded weapon into that room .. any chance of a ND will be avoided ..

Finding time and the cost is the main 2 reasons that I have heard .. but training can be accomplished at home and the actually shooting the pistol isn't always necessary .. dry firing can be very beneficial ..
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To protected one, I have a timer, I move , shoot from behind cover, I also do a few wind sprints and push ups to keep the heart rate up. I was at a well known range this summer for a shooting competition, Most of the guys there were geared up to the max, however they were grossly out of condition. I swore I would never get in that shape when I was young, and I kept up on that promise to myself. Your body and conditioning plays an important part in surviving a shoot out, before during and after the incident.
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Many people probably don't train enough .. you noticed I said train not just practice .. practice - firing the pistol at a standing target .. training - going through SD scenarios where drawing and presenting your weapon .. shooting from the hip .. moving out of danger can all be done at home with an empty pistol ..
My bet is that it would be safe to change the word many to most in your first sentence.

I'm fortunate to have a range that is usually empty, and I can go through these exercises with live rounds.
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I use dry fire with Laser Ammo several times weekly for at least 30 minutes. Weather allowing I set up targets in my backyard. When weather doesn't permit I dry fire inside my home, selecting a variety of targets in the house, plates on the wall, figurines, etc..

This saves money on ammo and travel to a range. Also as I unfortunately live in the People's Republic of Kalifornia buying ammo is on its way to be regulated and limited. Unable to buy online or bring in Out of State, although how they plan to regulate that. Today I have to re-qualify under HR218 at a range.
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My bet is that it would be safe to change the word many to most in your first sentence.

I'm fortunate to have a range that is usually empty, and I can go through these exercises with live rounds.
Like wise the outdoor range I use is mostly empty during the week day .. I'm retired so get there about 11 and many times I'm the only one there .. and there are 11 ranges to shoot any distance you want .. from 10 yards to 300 yards I'll shoot for 2 hours or more taking my time and planning different shooting drills and then shooting those drills ..

Sometimes my wife will come and watch and shoot a couple of times .. it hurts her wrists but she wants to keep her skills up so she shoots what she can .. had a guy shooting at an adjoining range come up and ask what was going on because one training drill I have is a woman screaming for help .. hearing an actual scream helps rise the adrenalin and stress levels .. well she was a screaming and the guy was concerned .. We had a good laugh about that on the way home ..
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I use dry fire with Laser Ammo several times weekly for at least 30 minutes. Weather allowing I set up targets in my backyard. When weather doesn't permit I dry fire inside my home, selecting a variety of targets in the house, plates on the wall, figurines, etc..

This saves money on ammo and travel to a range. Also as I unfortunately live in the People's Republic of Kalifornia buying ammo is on its way to be regulated and limited. Unable to buy online or bring in Out of State, although how they plan to regulate that. Today I have to re-qualify under HR218 at a range.
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I know I don't practice enough with any of my carry guns but the good news is that when I do I always surprise myself with how good I am with them. After years and years of shooting them, and lots of other guns, not practicing enough doesn't bother me as much as it did when concealed carry commenced. So this weekend I'll guess it's time to shoot some more!

As for stress, there is a great way to stress test your shooting but it is hard to do with a lot of people around. If you can shoot with just one person as your range officer and coach all you have to do is put out a dozen or so numbered targets at varying distances and pretend you are being confronted by a group of thugs. First you yell at them to stop, leave you alone, etc. Then your RO/Coach says they're coming closer - s/he yells it, actually.

DO SOMETHING!!

If you are where you can draw and shoot this is where you draw. If you are where a draw is impermissible then you simply stand at the ready to comply with range rules. And then here is where it gets stressful and fun - - YOU DO NOT PICK THE TARGET.

Then the RO yells "6" or "12!" or Eight - Five!!.

You can only shoot the targets (use targets that are mixed in size) from the numbers s/he calls out. Within reason you can do a tactical reload. I did one of these once with two guns, a CS-45 and a 2.5 inch Ruger Security Six. When the .45 ran dry I tossed it and drew the .357. Believe me, it's stressful.

You look at the targets, see how you fared, reload and do it again. Of course give your coach a turn, too, and you do the RO job.

This is fun but it is also a great way to see how you can perform under stress. Sadly, finding places to do this are relatively slim.
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Let's see...

40-50 hr week job. Two hour commute each day. Two kids with activities (BSA, baseball, gymnastics, etc). Family functions on weekends (sking, camping, house projects) = NOT MUCH!

We can legally shoot on our property, but it's not very "polite" to fire more than a couple of full volume pistol shots. Air guns and .22s with Colibri's or CCI Quiets are just fine. I am looking at setting up a range in the garage to cut down on noise pollution.

I have been shooting and carrying defensively for most of 30 years since roughly age 10. I strongly believe that once you reach a certain level of proficiency and competence, combat pistolcraft is NOT as perishable of a skill as many are led to believe. You don't have to fire 500 rds a week on a DEVGRU qualification range to be far ahead of the curve for a defensive encounter.

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.. had a guy shooting at an adjoining range come up and ask what was going on because one training drill I have is a woman screaming for help .. hearing an actual scream helps rise the adrenalin and stress levels .. ..
I haven't gone that far, but sometimes in my mind I can still hear my ex-wife badgering me...accomplishes the same thing!
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I get out every 7 to 10 days. 100-300 rounds per outing. I shoot 92+ through my M&P Shield 9mm. 4 - Eight round mags and 2 - seven round mags twice through. Then I start on my M&P Pro 9mm. 6 - seventeen mags, perhaps twice through.

It's cold here in Michigan right now, so my knees start to ache after an hour or so. Lots of state land to shoot on. I have several portable target holders, and every now and then we buy melons to help feed the animals. wink, wink...

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Have participated in a couple of IDPA meets and a few USPSA practice sessions. Those really do help with getting a little stress into your shooting sessions. They also point out your (my) weaknesses pretty fast.
Other than that before the cold weather set in (-3 this morning) I try to get to the range at least 2-3 times a month
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I'll just have to keep practicing until I can shoot like Clint Eastwood in one of those spaghetti westerns. Four or five bad guys in a second or two, from waist height. I'm just not there yet...
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I have been shooting and carrying defensively for most of 30 years since roughly age 10. I strongly believe that once you reach a certain level of proficiency and competence, combat pistolcraft is NOT as perishable of a skill as many are led to believe. You don't have to fire 500 rds a week on a DEVGRU qualification range to be far ahead of the curve for a defensive encounter.[/QUOTE]

Agree, and have been shooting hand guns for 60 yrs. Maybe fire 50 rounds every couple months from different guns. When I qualified for concealed carry all but one in the 10 ring shooting 2 handed and one handed with SA 1911.
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Many people probably don't train enough .. you noticed I said train not just practice .. practice - firing the pistol at a standing target .. training - going through SD scenarios where drawing and presenting your weapon .. shooting from the hip .. moving out of danger can all be done at home with an empty pistol ..

Designate a ammo free room in your home and do your dry fire practice in that room only .. and don't allow a loaded weapon into that room .. any chance of a ND will be avoided ..

Finding time and the cost is the main 2 reasons that I have heard .. but training can be accomplished at home and the actually shooting the pistol isn't always necessary .. dry firing can be very beneficial ..
You sound just like one of my favorite handgun instructors... I try to take at least one class from him, and one from a different instructor per year. Always good to hear a different perspective.

I do a good bit of dry practice, only costs you time.

Sadly, I have friends who carry, but never practice drawing their guns... The tell me 'I can get it if I really need it...' Training should not be required by law, but I don't see how someone would not get some quality instruction, and practice often if they want to use a gun for self defense.
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I saw a mantra a few years ago ..

Don't train till you get it right - Train till you can't get it wrong !

Edit .. One item that is not trained enough and I am at fault with this also is we don't train enough doing reloads and practicing clearing a jammed slide .... I asked someone if they did and their reply was not often and when I asked why his reply was that he didn't want to get is magazines dinged up or the chance of dirt getting in/on them and then them not working properly .. and on the jammed slid his reply was he never thought of doing it ..

I plan on changing that in this new year .. by practicing mag changes during both my dry fire and live fire practice !!

A good training video on the subject

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Twice a month I put 100+ rounds out of both my carry pistols, and usually one magazine of my carry ammo. At home I practice dry firing and removing from holster, also practice low light dry fire and magazine change. If I had more money and time I would shoot probably every day to a certain extent.


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Dry fire during the week in my basement. Live fire 25 rounds per different hand gun per weekend at the range. I have several family members who actively carry, including my wife. When someones ambition gets low, you can usually count on being harassed by said family members until we all complete our weekend group practice.

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I try to do about a case of ammo a month not including any training courses or other handguns. I try to stay proficient with all types of triggers (striker, DA/SA and SA). During the range session ill typically try to compare one or two guns I'm thinking of carrying to my carry gun. Some feel good and seem good when purchasing but at the range it's a whole other story.

It's hard to practice when you're limited to time and a range both. If I get to the range early enough without having to wait an hour or two I'll usually go through about 250-500 rounds. The both and other patrons make it hard to practice certain things. Having one day a week off also isn't easy. Gotta try to squeeze in everything in one day.....doesnt always work.



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I have no access to anywhere where I can shoot from cover, run and shoot, or even draw from a holster and shoot. The range I can most often frequent doesn't allow much of anything like that. So, I do the best I can...

Once a month I shoot two guns, 150rds each. One is always an actual carry gun ie: 640, 442, 65 or Glock 26, and the other is whatever fun gun I am in the mood for ie: 1911, BHP, 28-2, whatever...

Same drill for them mt EDC guns. From roughly low ready, raise up to shoulder level and go one handed (strong side) with flash sight picture, both eyes open, double tap; repeat for 50 rds.
Next is from roughly low ready, raise up to handshake level and go one handed (strong side) without the sights, double tap; repeat for 50 rds.
Finish from roughly low ready, raise up to handshake level and go one handed (weak side) without sights, double tap; repeat for 50 rds.

I'll be first to admit it isn't a rigorous training regimen, but I'd like to think the practice I get has better practical application than standing there doing two handed aimed fire for tight groups. I also have enjoyed getting to where the sights are entirely optional for anything closer than 21 feet. Grind them off and it wouldn't change my day any as far as my CCW guns go. I do aimed fire with whatever larger "fun" gun I brought along in addition to my EDC, but often I have more fun with the little guys.
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Not nearly enough.I'm going to start now that I have bought so many guns.
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I practice at least twice a month with a handgun, and I don't carry.

As far as the question about insisting others practice or not carry. I'll not elevate myself above other free men, in an effort to infringe upon their Natural Rights.
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Semantics aside it is important for muscle memory to teach the proper motions and to understand what improper motions feel like, otherwise you will not understand what needs to be corrected.

Taking things down to small steps is beneficial in teaching muscle memory and slow repetition leads to smooth operation and quick transition between steps. My goal is never speed, but accuracy, as speed will happen organically.

I draw and present about 50 times a week. I dry fire about 150 times and I shoot 10 rounds at the range a week on average.

Now, I've never had to use this skill set for real, but I can give solid examples of how the same training regimen works with other muscle memory training and has saved lives.


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I practice at least twice a month with a handgun, and I don't carry.

As far as the question about insisting others practice or not carry. I'll not elevate myself above other free men, in an effort to infringe upon their Natural Rights.
From personal experience it's not so much infringing on others rights as it is a matter of safety. My father has a carry permit and luckily he doesn't carry. Why do I say that? Because aside from shooting a mag of ammo from his gun when he bought it 15 years ago....The last time he shot a gun was about 5 years ago when I dragged him to the range. I had to beg him to go. He's one that believes a gun is a gun and you just point where you want the bullet to go and pull the trigger. At 5 yards he COULD NOT hit paper. Had that been a real self defense situation he would have killed someone innocent. Would you have been OK with that if it was one of your relatives walking by? Certain things require practice.

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TRY to shoot 2x per month during non-winter months. At least 50 with my EDC, sometimes 200-300, per range session. Also 22 rifles, other handguns (another 200-300 rounds).

Wife shoots 100 in her EDC.

Right now, she's consistently shooting 3" at 7 yards and I'm 1.5".
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Just curious how much you actually practice with your concealed carry weapon. I've talked to more people who hardly ever or never practice since they started carrying. You would think a person who carries or just wants to protect their home would almost become obsessed with becoming as proficient as possible with all the aspects of CC and home protection. Just my 2 cents.
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The second part of my question.......Do you feel there are alot of people who are not knowledgable enough, do not practice enough and possibly should Not carry concealed. I personally do believe it and the reason I ask is beause I believe excellent forums like this and others must encourage and insist on it. We as members make up this forum. Guess I asnswered my own question.
I don't think it's any of my business how often other people practice.

I try to hit the range twice a month. I own three handguns, one safequeen and two that I carry. The carry guns get fired every time and the safe queen when I feel like it.
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From personal experience it's not so much infringing on others rights as it is a matter of safety. My father has a carry permit and luckily he doesn't carry. Why do I say that? Because aside from shooting a mag of ammo from his gun when he bought it 15 years ago....The last time he shot a gun was about 5 years ago when I dragged him to the range. I had to beg him to go. He's one that believes a gun is a gun and you just point where you want the bullet to go and pull the trigger. At 5 yards he COULD NOT hit paper. Had that been a real self defense situation he would have killed someone innocent. Would you have been OK with that if it was one of your relatives walking by? Certain things require practice.
How'd that dragging your dad to the range actually work out?

I figured out that I'm powerless over other people's actions and that trying not to be powerless over them made my life unmanageable a long time ago.

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The second part of my question.......Do you feel there are alot of people who are not knowledgable enough, do not practice enough and possibly should Not carry concealed. I personally do believe it and the reason I ask is beause I believe excellent forums like this and others must encourage and insist on it. We as members make up this forum. Guess I asnswered my own question.
As responsible gun owners, everyone should understand how to safely handle and carry their weapon. Beyond that, the problem is there is no consensus on what constitutes proper training. The same could be said about who is skilled.

How many of those that conceal carry train weapon retention, handgun Combatives and extreme close-quarter defense extensively in force-on-force reality-based training scenarios?

I imagine not very many.

Someone could argue that unless you undertake such training and become highly skilled in it, you shouldn't carry a gun because a criminal will likely just take it away from you. The same with incorporating movement into your training. There is a fairly high probability that you will have to shoot while on the move in an actual defense scenario, but not many practice it or even have a place where they can.

Getting training is good, but the truth is that untrained people effectively defend themselves all the time.

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I figured out that I'm powerless over other people's actions and that trying not to be powerless over them made my life unmanageable a long time ago.

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I don't quite follow what you're saying.

I didn't physically drag him. I nagged him to go. The reason was because he wanted to buy a snub nose 38 thinking he can easily shoot it. I kept telling him not till he shot mine.

I'm not trying to control him. Just so he understands that it's not point and shoot. I know he doesn't want to hurt innocent people and I know I don't want him to either. It's better and easier for me to get him to go and show him it's not as easy as he thinks it is than it is for him to learn the hard way

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I don't quite follow what you're saying.

I didn't physically drag him. I nagged him to go. The reason was because he wanted to buy a snub nose 38 thinking he can easily shoot it. I kept telling him not till he shot mine.

I'm not trying to control him. Just so he understands that it's not point and shoot. I know he doesn't want to hurt innocent people and I know I don't want him to either. It's better and easier for me to get him to go and show him it's not as easy as he thinks it is than it is for him to learn the hard way
Has he been back to the range since you nagged him into it?
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No. He only went cause I asked

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40-50 hr week job. ....

I have been shooting and carrying defensively for most of 30 years since roughly age 10. I strongly believe that once you reach a certain level of proficiency and competence, combat pistolcraft is NOT as perishable of a skill as many are led to believe. You don't have to fire 500 rds a week on a DEVGRU qualification range to be far ahead of the curve for a defensive encounter.
Point one is the big killer for me.

The second point is also largely true IMHO. I took my CCW course having not shot a handgun in nearly two years. I pretty much toasted the whole class using a Steyr M9. Could I learn to shoot better, yeah sure, but see point one above.
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i try to hit the range at least monthly, and i take at least one of my MP9's and one of my .22's for both practice and yes playtime. I tend to start with the 9's, probably go thru a box or two of ammo until i'm done and feeling at least consistent in what i was working on. There are times my first mag or two does real well, then the next one looks like **** (all me). I dont stop until i figure out what i was doing wrong and try to fix it.
Then its play time with the .22's, and maybe finish with a solid mag worth in the 9 again.

Now I've seen others walk into the range with their gun in a holster or in a purse (no range bag), at most go thru 2 mags worth, then leave. If they were on Target, ok. But they are all over the place. I dont know their story, but all i can think about is if all their shots were poor at short distances in a "relaxed" and controlled atmosphere, what the heck could happen out there in a tough real life situation.

Only speaking for myself, but if i can barely hit a piece pf paper 5 yds in front of me at the range, i wanna know why before i leave. I sure wont be satisfied......
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