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Old 01-12-2017, 11:56 PM
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Like has been stated you can never have too much ammo.

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What an astounding array of possibilities. And I just thought they were speed strips.
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As Ed Lovette points out 80% of the snubby is accuracy, 20% is reload. As Sykes points out most of combat accuracy is point shooting within 12 feet. Four positions in their system depending on distance.

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20% seems high, considering the (presumed) percentage of times a reload is actually performed during a shooting.
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Neither is optimal, I'm not sure you want to draw down and hear a click, unless you're training to just repeatedly pull the trigger (and yes, we trained to shoot until the threat was stopped, but generally we didn't just empty the gun.) That might be a sticking point in court. I guess it's a personal decision. I'm just saying reloading a partial cylinder and then trying to guess when your gun is going to fire doesn't seem like the answer. Like I said the "what if" game will always lead to semi autos with effective cartridges and multi round magazines.
Great point. FWIW, I'm in the "carry 5" category. Mostly because I don't want an empty weapon after having to use it.

I was just putting myself in the "carry 4" camp's shoes.
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Great discussion here. I guess my original question should have been "How many rounds do you carry in a speed strip?" as opposed to my "five or six?" question.
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I carry the 8 round speed strips. Loads easy and have extra ammo.
Carry them in each of my back pockets and works great. 5 in the gun
and 16 extra rounds that load much easier than the 5 strips.
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Old 01-13-2017, 11:55 AM
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20% seems high, considering the (presumed) percentage of times a reload is actually performed during a shooting.
Yeah my impression is that Lovette doubled the percentage of times needed for reload so that you would get plenty of practice

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Great point. FWIW, I'm in the "carry 5" category. Mostly because I don't want an empty weapon after having to use it.

I was just putting myself in the "carry 4" camp's shoes.
Again the problem is is ergonomic combatives. Proportionally it's much much faster to load two load two close cylinder fire then it is to load two load two hunt for last hole close cylinder fire. Especially under life and death stress.

I like carrying 6 44s but as another poster mentioned it more Awkward to manage the last two put it back in the pouch close pouch then fire. Good if you have time though.

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...Play the "what if" game long enough and you end up with a Ma Deuce...
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I load 6 in an 8 hole strip. two, space, two, space, two.
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I load 6 in an 8 hole strip. two, space, two, space, two.
Put a tracer in between, and you'll have a belt-fed j-frame.
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This is an interesting discussion. I subscribe to the method taught by Masaad Ayoob mentioned by fastbolt. Have practiced it and it works for me. YMMV

The four round technique mentioned here and advocated by Michael de Bethencourt was new information for me, but seems worthy of some consideration. I'm going to try it out at least.

Found this link to Bethencourt's blog where he writes about the method. He certainly gives a nod to Ayoob's work.

How Many Rounds in a loading strip (re-edit) – snubtraining.com
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