Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-12-2017, 03:46 PM
BearBio BearBio is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 1,784
Liked 3,907 Times in 1,396 Posts
Default CCW Query.......

I read something on another thread that raised a question in my mind: A poster said, when asked about getting a Glock versus a Ruger (revolver), that the OP should get both and put them into "rotation" (?) with his other weapons for CCW.

Now, I have been shooting for over 50 years (all kinds of firearms) and carrying concealed (legally) for almost 20 years. I have open carried while guiding hunters, as well as while hiking. For the past 5-6 years, I have carried a Glock 27 fitted with a 357 Sig barrel. My alternative gun is a G26 in 9mm. Both guns have identical sights, magazine extensions, etc. My nightstand gun is a G22, also fitted with a 357 barrel but with a laser sight. Recently, I've started carrying a G20 (10mm) for field carry. My wife carries a G43 and she has another on in her nightstand. My reasoning (and hers) is that in a pinch we could each use each others firearm, if need be. Also, operational controls would be the same.

My question is (are): Am I doing something wrong and is there a reason for "rotating" carry options? I admit I will often carry a large revolver in grizzly country and will (out of laziness) sometimes stick a small auto into my pocket instead of putting on a holster for quick runs to the market.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #2  
Old 01-12-2017, 03:54 PM
Muss Muggins's Avatar
Muss Muggins Muss Muggins is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: southeast Missouri
Posts: 6,812
Likes: 2,275
Liked 7,832 Times in 2,897 Posts
Default

I like variety. I've got about five in what is not exactly a rotation, but based on nothing more than my mood, and sometimes what I'm wearing.
__________________
Wisdom comes thru fear . . .
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-12-2017, 03:59 PM
Arik Arik is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 14,228
Likes: 6,078
Liked 13,868 Times in 5,978 Posts
Default

Most of the time people rotate because they feel like it. Today a snub nose, tomorrow a 1911. Which ever way the wind blows.

Many view guns as accessories.

Some people rotate out of necessity. Which is understandable. Not all guns fit in all situations. The gun I carry at work may not fit with a suit and tie.

Like you I carry the same gun everyday. It's a tool I use for self defense. I have a few of them in different calibers. I have tried other guns to see if something may be better but I'm slower with them. I've been carrying the same gun every day going on 7 years or so. Just on Monday my holster broke and now I'm carrying the smaller version of the same gun. Not ideal but all controls are the same and as soon as a new holster comes in I'll go back to what I've been carrying

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 01-12-2017, 04:08 PM
bigwheelzip's Avatar
bigwheelzip bigwheelzip is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 4,797
Likes: 4,551
Liked 9,538 Times in 2,526 Posts
Default

My choices are clothing and threat based. I'm never going to be a tactical Annie Oakley, but my "rotation" means I can be a perpetually armed grandma, regardless of attire.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 01-12-2017, 04:10 PM
blues7's Avatar
blues7 blues7 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Blue Ridge Mtns
Posts: 970
Likes: 630
Liked 1,697 Times in 575 Posts
Default

BearBio, I think your way is the better way to go...but, to each his own.

I generally carry either my Glock 26 or 19 AIWB daily. My qualification scores with each are within a point or two of one another and they are essentially the same gun in slightly different sizes.

When I'm around the home or out for a walk with the dog or the mile round trip to the mailbox, I might carry my 642 in a pocket or AIWB.

Occasionally, I'll substitute my 686+ during some walks with the dog when there's a lot of bear, coyote, or other critter activity in our rural area. (Never have had a need to employ it for such purposes.)

Essentially it's the two Glocks however. That said, I've carried and used all of these firearms (or their siblings) throughout my career in law enforcement so I am very comfortable with any of them.
__________________
3" 686+, 642-1, M&P15 TS

Last edited by blues7; 01-12-2017 at 04:34 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 01-12-2017, 04:22 PM
OKFC05 OKFC05 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 6,962
Likes: 1,536
Liked 2,984 Times in 1,404 Posts
Default

I often invite people to shoot IDPA with their daily carry, and some intelligent people do try it. The usual comment is "Wow, I wished I'd tried that sooner. I had no idea I would take so long to draw and fire the first shot."
What does that have to do with gun rotation? Do you realistically practice with the gun you are carrying today?
__________________
Science plus Art
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 01-12-2017, 04:41 PM
BearBio BearBio is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Eastern Washington
Posts: 3,159
Likes: 1,784
Liked 3,907 Times in 1,396 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OKFC05 View Post
I often invite people to shoot IDPA with their daily carry, and some intelligent people do try it. The usual comment is "Wow, I wished I'd tried that sooner. I had no idea I would take so long to draw and fire the first shot."
What does that have to do with gun rotation? Do you realistically practice with the gun you are carrying today?
When we first started shooting SASS, I had the wife hold her pistol out for 5 seconds before firing. Let her know that was the penalty for a miss, so slow down. We practice with our carry weapons each time we go to the range (more than once a month, 2x during the summer). Last time, I put 28/30 in the head of a standard silhouette target in 45 seconds, varying from 7 to 10 yards. I was always taught slow is accurate, and accurate is fast.

I am less worried about how fast I can get my gun out of my holster, than with hitting the target.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 01-12-2017, 04:47 PM
Iggy's Avatar
Iggy Iggy is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 8,861
Likes: 3,815
Liked 15,608 Times in 3,419 Posts
Default

Years ago, there was a saying, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it."

There is too much going on when you're watching the muzzle of a gun coming to bear on your chest to be trying to remember if your gun has a safety or not, or is it single or double action.

BTDT
__________________
Eccentric old coot.

Last edited by Iggy; 01-13-2017 at 06:58 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-12-2017, 05:07 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,717
Likes: 709
Liked 3,164 Times in 1,488 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muss Muggins View Post
I like variety. I've got about five in what is not exactly a rotation, but based on nothing more than my mood, and sometimes what I'm wearing.
I agree with that and bigwheelzip seems to agree as well.

The alternative is this:

Quote:
Years ago, there was a saying, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it."

There is too much going on when you're watching the muzzle of a gun coming to bear on your chest to be trying to remember if your gun has a safety or not, or is it single or double action.
And I agree with that as well.

But I do have a rotation (not a daily rotation, just guns readily available for various situations), but it is really based totally on external factors like clothing and where I am going.

Standard EDC is a 2 inch K frame/OWB or IWB. I was always very accurate with a 2" K frame and after years of cowboy action shooting the lack of an adjustable rear sight is of no consequence.

Alternate is a M642. Pocket carry. This diminutive wheelie was my EDC for years until I decided I wanted one more round and lots less recoil. If I need to be sure that my gun will NEVER be seen, like when I am headed to a dentist's office, for instance, where a belt gun might be seen, I switch to this pocket gun.

Next alternate is a mouse gun in .25 ACP. I have a couple. Before concealed carry was legal this was my EDC. If I happen to be wearing extremely light clothing I might still carry one of these; it depends on the weather and where I plan to be.

Final alternate is a S&W M6906. If I am carrying this one then I am headed somewhere that I think is especially attractive to loonies or jihadists (is there a difference?) so I want the additional firepower.

Other choices on a very irregular basis are a CS-45, a smaller 9mm when and if I have one, or even a .22 (pistol or revolver) . This is all very situational and, maybe, a "mood" thing. The .22s are often backups to the 38s or 9mms.

So, why?

Because I can. Because I own all of these, shoot them all well, and I like the variety. But notice one consistent item - every one of these guns is a double action model or striker fired but NEVER single action. (Which is why I sort of eliminated the Beretta 950-BS). I will never have to wonder if my safety is on, or is there a round in the chamber. These carry guns are always ready to go, right out of the holster. I lack fondness for single action pistols despite America's love affair with them.

Probably too much of an answer but there you have it.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-12-2017, 05:58 PM
Smoke's Avatar
Smoke Smoke is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,599
Likes: 1,641
Liked 3,977 Times in 1,607 Posts
Default

Hickís Law postulates that the more variables you add to the decision making process the longer it takes you to make a decision and act on it. So if I add variables by carrying different guns in different locations in different types of holsters with varying levels of retention all Iím really doing is adding to the menu options I have to go through in my mind before acting in a self defense scenario. My brain has to answer a series of questions before I can even start to draw my firearm.

Eliminating variables makes anything a human does more consistent and reliable. By definition if Iím in a self defense situation Iím already behind the curve. Every step I have to take to prepare to and defend myself is an opportunity for something to go wrong. Every step or decision that I can eliminate increases the odds in my favor.

It's my belief that the more I practice with my carry gun the better I'm going to be with it under stress. The fewer variables in my equipment the faster I'm going to draw, the less chance of a mistake or hesitation, and the better my chances of survival. I have completely eliminated the variable of what I'm carrying, where, or how. It's always exactly the same. I'm better prepared to defend myself as a result.

That said, (IMO) Having different guns for different circumstances is not the same as ďrotatingĒ your carry guns. As Iíve stated before I switch off between one of two guns depending on circumstances and my concealment needs.

90% of the time based on my circumstance I can dress in a way that that accommodates a full sized gun so I carry the M&P9. When I have to dress differently or Iím sitting around the house and I donít want to carry a full sized gun I carry the 9C but in either case Iím carrying two almost identical guns

To me ďrotatingĒ your carry guns is a mood thing. Like ďIím bored with my 1911 so today Iím going to carry my GLOCKĒ and for me mood has nothing to do with carrying a gun.

I also donít switch based on any threat assessment. If things are so tense that Iím questioning if I have enough gun I donít go. Of course the exception would be that I probably wouldnít carry a 9mm if I were going into the mountains where I literally might encounter a bear.
__________________
Read More Post Less

Last edited by Smoke; 04-02-2017 at 09:25 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 01-12-2017, 06:45 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,717
Likes: 709
Liked 3,164 Times in 1,488 Posts
Default

Quote:
Hick’s Law postulates that the more variables you add to the decision making process the longer it takes you to make a decision and act on it.
I like that. But if every gun I carry operates the same, point and shoot or, technically, aim and shoot, it doesn't make any difference to make the shooting decision in a self defense scenario. It's the same every time. That is exactly why the trainers in the early days of the IDF taught their soldiers to carry their pistols with the chamber empty. Too many variables were all eliminated if every soldier was trained to draw, rack the slide, and fire. To watch their speed when they do it is a sight to behold.

It's not the American way but we give all of our soldiers, as a general rule, the same pistol. It used to be the 1911. Then it became the M9. Everyone trained the same way. (Let's ignore the Special Forces and their variable weapons or the tank crew weapons which differ in size from the M9 - they are all trained the same for their specialty). As long as everyone trains the same the result is the same. Switching from an M&P 9 to an M&P 9c is more or less the exact same mental game as switching from a K frame to a J frame or a 3rd Gen 9mm. The gun comes out, goes on target, the trigger is pulled.

Thus, I don't see the applicability of "Hick's law" to the choices I make except I admit it applies when I am getting dressed because THAT is when the "what to carry" decision is made.

I think the term "rotating" is not meant to describe varying guns every day or even by mood but just meant to imply the concept of having several choices.

Last edited by ISCS Yoda; 01-12-2017 at 06:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 01-12-2017, 08:24 PM
Smoke's Avatar
Smoke Smoke is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,599
Likes: 1,641
Liked 3,977 Times in 1,607 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
I like that. But if every gun I carry operates the same, point and shoot or, technically, aim and shoot, it doesn't make any difference to make the shooting decision in a self defense scenario. It's the same every time.
What happens after the self defense scenario when since you normally carry Glock but today you're carrying a 5906 you forget to decock the weapon and blow a hole in your foot
__________________
Read More Post Less
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-12-2017, 08:30 PM
Muss Muggins's Avatar
Muss Muggins Muss Muggins is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: southeast Missouri
Posts: 6,812
Likes: 2,275
Liked 7,832 Times in 2,897 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke View Post
What happens after the self defense scenario when since you normally carry Glock but today you're carrying a 5906 you forget to decock the weapon and blow a hole in your foot
Move your finger off the trigger as the incident de-escalates, and your foot will be fine . . .
__________________
Wisdom comes thru fear . . .
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 01-12-2017, 08:45 PM
crazyphil crazyphil is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 1,747
Likes: 4,818
Liked 4,221 Times in 1,137 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
Years ago, there was a saying, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it."

There is too much going on when you're watching the muzzle of a gun coming to bear on your chest to be trying to remember if your gun has a safety or not, or is it single or double action.
If I remember correctly John Bianchi, many years ago, had what
he called "Bianchi's Law". I am paraphrasing, but it meant to
always carry the same gun, same holster, same location on your
belt, etc.....muscles have memory.

Iggy's statement is true. There is no time to remember which
gun you are carrying. Mushin is a word in the martial arts
that means instantaneous reaction without thought.

Yogi Berra said "you can't hit and think at the same time."

Wyatt Earp said your muscles must be faster than thought.
__________________
In Omnia Paratus
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 01-12-2017, 08:48 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,717
Likes: 709
Liked 3,164 Times in 1,488 Posts
Default

Quote:
What happens after the self defense scenario when since you normally carry Glock but today you're carrying a 5906 you forget to decock the weapon and blow a hole in your foot
I wouldn't be caught dead carrying a Glock, anyway.

But Miss Muggins has it correctly stated - if you're done shooting your finger comes off the trigger. Then you can decock after the adrenaline settles down.

Which also explains why I don't like 1911s. When you're done shooting and your finger comes off the trigger you cannot decock. I know, they are beloved by millions of shooters, it is my YMMV in this case, I get that. But I would own and carry a 1911 before I would own and carry a Glock. Again, that's just me, YMMV for everyone.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-12-2017, 08:59 PM
Rpg Rpg is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Denver area
Posts: 2,414
Likes: 4,107
Liked 2,922 Times in 1,231 Posts
Default

We all like to use our guns.

That's not the same as being good with all of them.

Unless you spend all your time at the range, you will give up significant speed and accuracy 'rotating' your handguns.

Speed and accuracy are pretty important in sd situations.

Pick one or two and stick with them.

I usually EDC a Colt Commander except in the woods, when I carry a Colt 1911.

If I can't use that because of dress requirements, I drop a M 38 in my pocket.

As a result, my practice is manageable: 2/3 with a Colt 1911, 1/3 with a M 38.

That's doable so I don't have to devide my time between a Glock, a M 15, a M 19 or any of the other handguns in the safe.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #17  
Old 01-12-2017, 09:50 PM
Muss Muggins's Avatar
Muss Muggins Muss Muggins is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: southeast Missouri
Posts: 6,812
Likes: 2,275
Liked 7,832 Times in 2,897 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyphil View Post
If I remember correctly John Bianchi, many years ago, had what
he called "Bianchi's Law". I am paraphrasing, but it meant to
always carry the same gun, same holster, same location on your
belt, etc.....muscles have memory.

Iggy's statement is true. There is no time to remember which
gun you are carrying. Mushin is a word in the martial arts
that means instantaneous reaction without thought.

Yogi Berra said "you can't hit and think at the same time."

Wyatt Earp said your muscles must be faster than thought.
Duly noted . . .
__________________
Wisdom comes thru fear . . .
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #18  
Old 01-12-2017, 10:31 PM
BirdmanH54's Avatar
BirdmanH54 BirdmanH54 is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 31
Likes: 4
Liked 20 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
I wouldn't be caught dead carrying a Glock, anyway.




You are correct.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 01-12-2017, 10:35 PM
Neumann Neumann is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,249
Likes: 7
Liked 527 Times in 301 Posts
Default

I have several handguns I feel sufficiently proficient to carry for self defense, including both pistols and revolvers. Which I choose depends on concealment (e.g., no open carry in Illinois) and the potential threat.

For deep concealment, pocket carry may be the only option. That generally limits my choice to a small pistol, such as a Springfield XDs .45 ACP.

A cover garment, either casual untucked shirt or a light jacket or vest, opens up many more opportunities, including IWB or even a shoulder holster. Given a choice, I carry the largest weapon I feel comfortable carrying hours on end, sitting and standing. A full-sized 1911 or SIG P220 is not out of the question, nor even an N-framed revolver, 4" or less. Bigger is usually heavier, and longer means slower to present in a crisis. OWB holsters handle weight better than IWB, and weight means practically nothing in a shoulder holster.

Revolvers can pack more punch per round (e.g., .357 Mag) and are less likely to jam in tight situations (e.g., in a vehicle), and I shoot them well both DA and SA. In my dotage, I am increasingly fond of a short .357 revolver, 7 or 8 rounds. (I don't own a J-frame).

I carry concealed in the woods too, even when not required, partly to avoid scaring folks from the cities, partly for tactical advantage. If there are big things that claw and bite, I usually carry a .44 Magnum with hard-cast SWCs.

Sometimes there's no reason to change, other than for the sake of variety.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-13-2017, 03:07 PM
haywood's Avatar
haywood haywood is offline
Member
CCW Query.......  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: N. Ohio
Posts: 642
Likes: 2,366
Liked 609 Times in 277 Posts
Default

I'm a snub revolver nut and I got a few of them that I like. I never can decide which one I like the best so I just rotate them around and carry what I feel like carrying. Normally it's Two of the J frames.
Attached Thumbnails
CCW Query.......-img_0661-jpg  
__________________
Two Revolvers every day
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-13-2017, 04:08 PM
Jack Flash's Avatar
Jack Flash Jack Flash is offline
SWCA Member
CCW Query.......  
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,997
Likes: 10,836
Liked 3,833 Times in 1,637 Posts
Default

I was going to say something, but Iggy just said it all.
__________________
Splittiní hairs, aint ya Boss?
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #22  
Old 01-13-2017, 04:21 PM
Model520Fan Model520Fan is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MA
Posts: 5,121
Likes: 2,633
Liked 2,345 Times in 1,181 Posts
Default

BearBio,

You may not recall, but we had this discussion once. Can't remember whether it was half a thread or the whole thread. Anyway, in the English I was brought up with, rotation implies some kind of planned short cycle of changing guns for its own sake. That's so stupid that I am not going to say any more about it. However, as pointed out above, many people carry different weapons with different clothing, for good reason, and can't wear the same clothing all the time. Also, some people face different situations in different locations, and the best answer on a given day may be different from the usual best answer, even considering that carrying the same gun all the time has a lot of advantages.

Rotation? Ridiculous.

Different gun sometimes? Maybe.

Last edited by Model520Fan; 01-13-2017 at 04:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #23  
Old 01-13-2017, 04:36 PM
Old cop Old cop is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,510
Likes: 639
Liked 5,364 Times in 1,793 Posts
Default

I carried only a j frame for well over 40 years. As I've gotten older (70) small & light are important for a variety of reasons so now my EDC is the LCP w/a spare mag. During my 30 year LEO career I had to use my .38 more than once and do not believe carrying weapons with different operating systems is wise, at least not for me. When and if the moment of truth comes you will need to react instantly, w/o thinking. If your carrying a semi auto one day, and a revolver on another, things could go wrong. Please don't misunderstand. I do not mean to disrespect others or tell anyone what to do but I would not feel comfortable rotating weapons. Just my opinion which is free here so you can judge for yourself what it's worth.
__________________
Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)

Last edited by Old cop; 01-13-2017 at 04:38 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #24  
Old 01-13-2017, 04:41 PM
eb07 eb07 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Arizona
Posts: 806
Likes: 742
Liked 1,495 Times in 433 Posts
Default

I rotate simply because I love handguns and I can't choose just one.

The only thing my carry firearms all have in common is none of them have manual safeties. I refuse to carry any weapon for self-defense with a manual safety.

Last edited by eb07; 01-13-2017 at 04:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #25  
Old 01-13-2017, 04:52 PM
BAM-BAM BAM-BAM is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Western Pa.
Posts: 6,591
Likes: 145
Liked 7,178 Times in 3,433 Posts
Default

My carry gun 95% of the time in "the Burbs of the Burgh" is a Smith 3913...... my "rotation" includes a PC Shorty-9 and a 915 if I want a hi-cap....... all with the same operating system!

I also like the Beretta 92 in the single stack M, Compact/Centurion or EliteII versions again the same "system/controls" as the Smiths.

I will admit to carrying a Smith revolver when at the cabin or woods bumming....... generally a Model 66 (3 or 4") or my "Kit Gun" a 3" 60-10 think "micro 686"
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 01-13-2017, 05:10 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,717
Likes: 709
Liked 3,164 Times in 1,488 Posts
Default

Quote:
Rotation? Ridiculous.

Different gun sometimes? Maybe.
I am pretty sure Model520 is correct - I don't think anyone means rotation in the literal sense, i.e., Monday is my .38, Tuesday is my 9mm, Wednesday is Glock day, Thursday .... and so forth. Different guns due to dress, weather, etc., is what I presume is meant by rotation, and that rotation implies that that person has more than one gun for carry purposes.

It's like if I was to tell you about my hunting and said I have various rifles "in the rotation" - I would mean that I have several hunting rifles and depending on what I am hunting, or the weather, or something, then I will pick from one of those. Not that the .308 is Monday, the .35 Whelen is Tuesday, etc.

I HOPE that is what we all mean, anyway.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #27  
Old 01-13-2017, 05:10 PM
LoboGunLeather's Avatar
LoboGunLeather LoboGunLeather is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,711
Likes: 526
Liked 6,582 Times in 1,270 Posts
Default

Carry rotation? Not for me.

Every day, same gun, same holster, same carry position, just like I have always trained with. Never have to stop and think (which gun am I carrying? revolver or semi-auto? single-action or double-action? cocked and locked? external safety device?), just follow the training regimen, address the target, engage the target if necessary.

But I am an old fart, not nearly as fast on my feet as so many younger guys, and I probably don't know nearly as much as those who change guns and holsters like I change socks and underwear.

Have your gunfights any way you want to have them, but don't count on everyone else to wait while you try to remember what you have, where you are carrying it, and what you need to do to join the fight.

YMMV.
Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Like Post:
  #28  
Old 01-13-2017, 05:42 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,498
Likes: 2,520
Liked 1,328 Times in 547 Posts
Default

I like to keep things simple. I think one's carry gear should be as consistent as possible from day to day. But sometimes that isn't feasible, so I agree with those who say changes in what/where someone carries should be dictated by circumstances (weather, clothing restrictions, environment, etc.) rather than personal whims. But to each their own.

This thread reminds of a scene from "The Long Kiss Goodnight," starring Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson. They're going into a train station, I think, and Jackson puts a snub revolver in his coat pocket. As he does so, he makes up a blues song to remind him where he put it.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #29  
Old 01-13-2017, 06:31 PM
Smoke's Avatar
Smoke Smoke is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 3,599
Likes: 1,641
Liked 3,977 Times in 1,607 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muss Muggins View Post
Move your finger off the trigger as the incident de-escalates, and your foot will be fine . . .
Duly nted
__________________
Read More Post Less
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 01-15-2017, 12:06 AM
two-bit cowboy's Avatar
two-bit cowboy two-bit cowboy is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: 7,880' in Wyo.
Posts: 1,109
Likes: 3,240
Liked 1,964 Times in 653 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
Years ago, there was a saying, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it."
I only hope I'm that man.

I would never criticize those who "dress for the occasion," but I'm too much of a pragmatist to swap out my edc. When I was 27 I said, "When I make my first million I'm only going to wear blue jeans." Then I realized that might take too long. I wear blue jeans; I might wear a corduroy jacket and a tie, too, if'n it's a weddin' or a buryin', but I wear jeans.

Do a thing once, it's happenstance. Do a thing twice, it's practice. Do a thing thrice, it's a habit. That's just me, and I'm only getting more and more set in my ways.

If I'm in the woods I might have the big gun at 10 o'clock, but the 640 Pro is always wrapped around the same belt loop at 4 o'clock. And I practice, practice, practice. It's instinctive, it's a habit; I don't have to think about it.

Next spring if a bear confronts me he'll look down the barrel of the 640 (unless I'm so scared I drop it or worse) because that will be the result of my habit. By spring I plan to have practiced enough that the big gun will be my habitual bug (in case I drop the 640 or run out of ammo and the bear's still coming).

Cheers,

Bob
__________________
7-stud. Nothinís wild. Cut?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #31  
Old 01-15-2017, 02:48 AM
cmort666's Avatar
cmort666 cmort666 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rocky River, OH, USA
Posts: 8,641
Likes: 853
Liked 7,257 Times in 3,002 Posts
Default

Carry whatever and however you want that's legal.

I used to regularly change guns. Now I mostly stick with my 3 1/2" M1911, mostly for convenience's sake.

Who knows, maybe I'll carry my Glock 19 this week.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01-15-2017, 03:14 AM
Dennis Dennis is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 437
Likes: 2,607
Liked 313 Times in 179 Posts
Default

At this time I can only have 3 on my Concealed carry permit. My county, their rules. A 1911 in 45 ACP, a 38 Super 1911, and a 3914 9mm. But since it gets hot as **** here, I will change over to a Ruger LCR in 9mm for pocket carry in summer months.
An aside... I have Muscle Memory with 1911s. But the tiggers are too light for self-defense. In Kali,if the perp decides at the very last half-second to turn away as I am pressing the trigger... Well it would suck for me. So I am going to a Sig 220 in 4 ACP and secondary a Siig P239 in 9mm. The LCR will be for pocket when it gets too hot for shoulder-carry.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01-15-2017, 03:15 AM
Dennis Dennis is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 437
Likes: 2,607
Liked 313 Times in 179 Posts
Default

Plus they are all DA. At least for first round.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01-15-2017, 09:14 AM
cmort666's Avatar
cmort666 cmort666 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rocky River, OH, USA
Posts: 8,641
Likes: 853
Liked 7,257 Times in 3,002 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
An aside... I have Muscle Memory with 1911s. But the tiggers are too light for self-defense. In Kali,if the perp decides at the very last half-second to turn away as I am pressing the trigger... Well it would suck for me.
Sounds to me like you're pressing the trigger too slowly.

In what situation do you envision yourself employing deadly force? I don't plan to draw until I plan to shoot, and there won't be any hesitation, "bargaining" or anything of the sort. If you create in me a reasonable and immediate fear of death or great bodily harm, the time for talk has ended. You've made your decision and you're going live... or die by it, and in an instant.

In any case, I refuse to live anywhere where the lives of violent predators and homicidal psychopaths have more value than mine.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #35  
Old 01-15-2017, 09:25 AM
Donn's Avatar
Donn Donn is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,233
Likes: 5
Liked 2,676 Times in 1,133 Posts
Default

Carry a Shield pretty much exclusively since they came out. A 9mm until just recently when I picked up one in 45acp. There are occasions when even a Shield's a bit too big, in which case I'll tote an old Model 49 J frame. That's the extent of my rotation.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01-15-2017, 12:38 PM
Big Cholla Big Cholla is offline
SWCA Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 2,961
Likes: 4,403
Liked 3,795 Times in 1,348 Posts
Default

I think that you and your wife are doing what you should with purpose and are doing it perfectly. IMHO, the only time it is justified in being random about what handgun you are carrying is if your odds of ever needing a handgun in a serious situation is over 100 to 1. The other situation for working with two different handgun is if you work daily with a partner and the two of you are regularly going into possible deadly situations AND you partner insists on carrying a revolver as to your semi-auto. Then you both should practice with the other's type handgun to the point that you are competent with the other's gun in a pressing time of need. .............
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #37  
Old 01-16-2017, 07:10 PM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 3,717
Likes: 709
Liked 3,164 Times in 1,488 Posts
Default

Lobo wrote:

Quote:
Every day, same gun, same holster, same carry position, just like I have always trained with. Never have to stop and think (which gun am I carrying? revolver or semi-auto? single-action or double-action? cocked and locked? external safety device?), just follow the training regimen, address the target, engage the target if necessary.
If that works for you that's fine but it is not possible, for various reasons, for me to have the same gun in the same place every day. Still, I NEVER have to stop and think "which gun" because, (a) I am VERY clear which gun, I can tell just by where it sits which gun I have with me and (b) they are all double action, fully loaded, no slide racking, no hammer cocking, no safety to release, wheel gun or TDA pistol, all the same, so it's not a thought process I have to deal with. Draw, aim, press, it's the same for each and every one. All of those possible thoughts Lobo detailed just can never happen. It isn't as simple as Lobo's method but it's close enough.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 02-03-2017, 09:05 PM
DevilDog72's Avatar
DevilDog72 DevilDog72 is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Mansfield,Texas
Posts: 826
Likes: 5,220
Liked 1,332 Times in 450 Posts
Default

I carry a 19 or 66 snub in the same enhanced pancake at the same position on my waste with the same grip configuration, 99% of the time. The other 1% of the time it is a 640 no dash or a 642 NL on my waste at the same position as my primary in a paddle holster. I do train with each setup on a regular basis. I happen to think when it turns south muscle memory will count... a lot. I also carry a reload, not that I think more bullets will be needed in the fight, rather, I do not want to be standing there with an empty gun when the fight is over.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #39  
Old 02-03-2017, 11:15 PM
Ytcoinshooter's Avatar
Ytcoinshooter Ytcoinshooter is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 25
Likes: 42
Liked 24 Times in 8 Posts
Default

My carry pistols all have the same manual of arms. They vary in size from the BG380, G42 and a 9mm Shield. I practice with all of 'em and let surroundings, climate and clothing factor into what I carry. At the range I like variety and the challenge of being proficient with all of them.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 02-04-2017, 12:08 AM
hostler hostler is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Southcentral PA
Posts: 218
Likes: 61
Liked 382 Times in 142 Posts
Default

As others have stated, I don't "rotate" carry guns, but I do switch off based on circumstances.
It used to be "common knowledge" that magazine springs would soften over time if the mags were kept full and the springs didn't have any time to relax. Maybe that's the reason some people say to "rotate".
I think back in the day the springs were junk but today's springs don't seem to have that issue (if there ever was an issue).
Or maybe it had something to do with corrosion. Gotta give the gun a break to soak in some oil before putting it back into service.
I don't know, just spit-balling.
Most likely "being put into rotation" was someone's way of saying they "switch off".

Last edited by hostler; 02-04-2017 at 12:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 02-04-2017, 12:12 AM
Lostaro Lostaro is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 60
Likes: 11
Liked 63 Times in 34 Posts
Default

I don't really have a "rotation" of guns but I generally carry the largest revolver my situation allows.

Like many stated above different dress dictates different guns. As long as you are familiar with the weapons changing around shouldn't be an issue.

Only you can make that decision.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #42  
Old 02-04-2017, 04:47 PM
Ziggy2525 Ziggy2525 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 66
Likes: 20
Liked 65 Times in 25 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoboGunLeather View Post
Carry rotation? Not for me.

Every day, same gun, same holster, same carry position, just like I have always trained with. Never have to stop and think (which gun am I carrying? revolver or semi-auto? single-action or double-action? cocked and locked? external safety device?), just follow the training regimen, address the target, engage the target if necessary.

But I am an old fart, not nearly as fast on my feet as so many younger guys, and I probably don't know nearly as much as those who change guns and holsters like I change socks and underwear.

Have your gunfights any way you want to have them, but don't count on everyone else to wait while you try to remember what you have, where you are carrying it, and what you need to do to join the fight.

YMMV.
When the temps really drop, I usually end up putting a 642 in my coat pocket for easy accessibility.

IIRC, a while back you had said your edc is a full-size 1911 in one of your enhanced pancake holsters (apologies if I'm not recalling that correctly).

With your single carry approach, how do you deal with layering/coats/etc. in the winter? Especially driving.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 02-04-2017, 10:27 PM
Rastoff's Avatar
Rastoff Rastoff is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: So Cal (Near Edwards AFB)
Posts: 11,070
Likes: 1,601
Liked 10,079 Times in 4,157 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
Which also explains why I don't like 1911s. When you're done shooting and your finger comes off the trigger you cannot decock.
So, a gun is only safe if it can be decocked easily? Come on man, you're better than that.

Besides, a 1911 can be decocked. There's just no reason to do it.
__________________
Freedom isn't free.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #44  
Old 02-05-2017, 12:30 PM
BB57's Avatar
BB57 BB57 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Eastern NC
Posts: 1,289
Likes: 512
Liked 2,564 Times in 837 Posts
Default

There are some good comments and cautions in this thread, and a few bits of... much less useful information.

Personally, I'm in the Muss Muggins camp of having a few favorite handguns in rotation. I vary them depending on the weather, on what I'm wearing and just on my mood at the moment.

I'll give a nod to folks that indicate there is some advantage in carrying the same gun, in the same holster all the time, but there is a lot more involved than just using the same handgun all the time.

The bottom line is that you need adequate training and proficiency with any handgun, but that doesn't have to limit you to just one. Additionally, there is also often some directionality in the conversion process from one handgun to another.

If you're going to carry a handgun you need to practice and shoot with it enough to be able to effectively employ it, and more importantly be proficient enough be able to do so under extreme stress, which requires the actions to be second nature and automatic.

However, once you've truly mastered a specific handgun it may not take much to adapt to another similar handgun. For example, if you are proficient with a 1911, you'll find a Hi Power isn't significantly different in terms of controls and operation. You'll also find that a CZ 75B or CZ 75 Compact isn't significantly different in SA mode.

Once you've mastered a 1911 or other SA "cocked and locked" semi auto, a DA auto or DA revolver offers only the additional challenge of mastering the longer, heavier DA trigger pull and longer trigger reset.

The reverse however isn't necessarily true. For example, someone proficient with a DA revolver or a striker fired pistol without a manual safety will have to learn to deactivate the manual safety on an SA semi-auto. After all, you can't forget to deactivate a safety that isn't there (going from a 1911 to a DA revolver), but it's much easier to not think about deactivating a manual safety if you've moving from a striker fired pistol or DA revolver to a manual safety equipped SA semi-auto.

Fit matters as well. The 1911, BHP and CZ 75 also have similarities in the grip - if a 1911 fits you well, a Hi Power and a CZ 75 should also work well for you. I've found however that an M9 or similar Beretta 92 is just too large in the grip for me to control as well as a 1911.

Similarly, most 9mm Glocks feel like way too blockish in my hand, and I absolutely hate the triggers on most of them. The end result is that while I shoot them better than many people, I don't shoot them nearly as well as a 1911 when it comes to controlled pairs, double taps, or failure to stop drills. For that matter I don't shoot a Glock as well as I shoot a K or L frame revolver, and it's mostly a matter of fit.

----

The bottom line is that if you're not going to devote much time to developing and maintaining a high level of proficiency, then yes, you are probably better off with just one self defense handgun, focusing that limited (and probably inadequate) practice time on just a single handgun.

But, if you are a gun person who likes to shoot, shoots a lot, and you're willing to put in the necessary practice, there's nothing that prevents you from being fully proficient in multiple handgun types.

Last edited by BB57; 02-05-2017 at 12:32 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 02-05-2017, 12:39 PM
BB57's Avatar
BB57 BB57 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Eastern NC
Posts: 1,289
Likes: 512
Liked 2,564 Times in 837 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rastoff View Post
So, a gun is only safe if it can be decocked easily? Come on man, you're better than that.

Besides, a 1911 can be decocked. There's just no reason to do it.
I agree. If I'm de-cocking a 1911 it's because I am in the process of administratively unloading it. To do that, I'm going to just drop the magazine, de-activate the manual safety, and then rack the slide to eject the chambered round. At that point, I'm either going to go ahead and remove the slide to clean it, or I'll manually de-cock the hammer for storage. But even if I were to de-cock on a loaded round for some reason, it's not hard to do it safely.

A de-cocker equipped DA pistol is pretty much a one trick pony. The sole advantage it gives is more or less idiot proof de-cocking. But de-cocking an SA or SA/DA pistol safely is not hard and it's not a hard skill to master.

I prefer the CZ 75B and CZ 75 Compact to the de-cocker equipped models as the manual safety, non-decocker equipped models offer you the capability of carrying in Condition 1 SA mode, or in DA mode - and they offer you the ability to train another shooter in either method.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 02-05-2017, 12:45 PM
BB57's Avatar
BB57 BB57 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Eastern NC
Posts: 1,289
Likes: 512
Liked 2,564 Times in 837 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoboGunLeather View Post
Have your gunfights any way you want to have them, but don't count on everyone else to wait while you try to remember what you have, where you are carrying it, and what you need to do to join the fight.
I agree with this completely.

I'm hardwired to reach for a gun on my hip, and it would be very hard for me to change a carry location and be able to be 100% sure I'd reach for the gun in the right place under extreme stress in a situation where I'm confronted with a sudden and unexpected threat.

I will however carry a back up from time to time in some other location. For example, I'll carry a Kimber Micro in a pocket holster as a back up, as a New York reload, and as a handgun to hand off to my wife (who shoots but does not carry) if we ever find ourselves in a situation we need to back out of - she can be armed while leading the way back out, while I cover the withdrawal.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 02-05-2017, 03:13 PM
BirdmanH54's Avatar
BirdmanH54 BirdmanH54 is online now
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 31
Likes: 4
Liked 20 Times in 9 Posts
Default CCW Query.......

You're hard wired to Fight or Run, everything else is training. So be careful. If you believe what you "think" might be true. If we were so locked into certain things we would have to put on shoes to run.

You can most certainly adapt to different guns, much like a motorcyclist can ride a bicycle and not get confused about the brakes. Only when someone "thinks" their way into problems does the brain override training.

That being said, you can lock your training into the exact same thing every time. The drawback is that you'll be less likely to succeed if their are minor changes. So training your mind (properly) to adapt can be a much stronger tactic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BB57 View Post
I agree with this completely.



I'm hardwired to reach for a gun on my hip, and it would be very hard for me to change a carry location and be able to be 100% sure I'd reach for the gun in the right place under extreme stress in a situation where I'm confronted with a sudden and unexpected threat.



I will however carry a back up from time to time in some other location. For example, I'll carry a Kimber Micro in a pocket holster as a back up, as a New York reload, and as a handgun to hand off to my wife (who shoots but does not carry) if we ever find ourselves in a situation we need to back out of - she can be armed while leading the way back out, while I cover the withdrawal.





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Last edited by BirdmanH54; 02-05-2017 at 03:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 02-05-2017, 07:33 PM
Model520Fan Model520Fan is online now
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MA
Posts: 5,121
Likes: 2,633
Liked 2,345 Times in 1,181 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BB57 View Post
. . . However, once you've truly mastered a specific handgun it may not take much to adapt to another similar handgun. For example, if you are proficient with a 1911, you'll find a Hi Power isn't significantly different in terms of controls and operation. . . .
False. It is VERY different. The 1911 safety more or less naturally falls under my thumb and is disengaged with the draw. Not at all true with the BHP.
Quote:
Once you've mastered a 1911 or other SA "cocked and locked" semi auto, a DA auto or DA revolver offers only the additional challenge of mastering the longer, heavier DA trigger pull and longer trigger reset.
True, although the reset may not be, in practical terms, much longer, especially if you don't **** with the springs. Also, some may not regard the longer, heavier pull as so trivial a difference.
Quote:
The bottom line is that if you're not going to devote much time to developing and maintaining a high level of proficiency, then yes, you are probably better off with just one self defense handgun, focusing that limited (and probably inadequate) practice time on just a single handgun.

But, if you are a gun person who likes to shoot, shoots a lot, and you're willing to put in the necessary practice, there's nothing that prevents you from being fully proficient in multiple handgun types.
Yes, there is. It's HABITUAL success in firing the first few shots, especially the first, with no preparation or notice. Proficiency at firing a planned course is NOT the standard. The standard is the success of your FIRST and IMMEDIATELY subsequent shots with no notice, no forethought, and perhaps blood already flowing from where a couple of your teeth used to be.

The advantage of having one gun is like the advantage of having any gun. You may not ever need it, but when you need it, you may need it very much.

I will add, BTW, that I agree with much that I understand BB57 to be saying. The biggest difference between guns is the safety. If you've mastered a particular safety or class of safeties, using a revolver is not a big deal. A DA trigger pull, whether on a revolver or an auto, is significant, but once you learn to shoot DA, it is not anywhere near as big a deal as the location of the gun. Not remembering, or adjusting to, which gun is coming up WILL, IMO, slow me down, but only a very small amount. Location of the gun, however, is much more significant.

One gun, one location (per gun) is still IMO best.

Last edited by Model520Fan; 02-05-2017 at 07:54 PM. Reason: I will add, BTW,
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #49  
Old 02-06-2017, 01:12 AM
Rastoff's Avatar
Rastoff Rastoff is offline
US Veteran
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: So Cal (Near Edwards AFB)
Posts: 11,070
Likes: 1,601
Liked 10,079 Times in 4,157 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Model520Fan View Post
One gun, one location (per gun) is still IMO best.
Indeed, this is the best solution. It cannot be successfully argued that using more than one is better.

However, this does not mean that using more than one is impossible. It just takes practice. I may not be as good with a GP100 as I am with a 1911, but that doesn't mean I'm not good enough with the GP100.
__________________
Freedom isn't free.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 02-06-2017, 10:51 AM
RSanch111 RSanch111 is offline
Member
CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query....... CCW Query.......  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 672
Likes: 419
Liked 635 Times in 273 Posts
Default

I don't think it's a good idea to "rotate". That being said..... I sometimes carry a .45 Officer's ACP or a Glock 27 instead of my J-frame..... But it's still not a great idea....... As far as my shotgun, I have only ever carried a Remington 870 because I know the drill with that one much better than a Mossberg..... I'm confident enough with my handguns that I feel OK with one of my non-primary guns.....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
357 mag query Bobbysixkiller Ammo 4 09-20-2014 12:30 AM
Query CAJUNLAWYER The Lounge 91 04-29-2013 11:31 PM
Another K22 query Oldgoat03 S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 7 12-21-2012 09:27 PM
38/44 query riversalmon S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 1 11-30-2012 07:44 PM
Query: Please help me out here! OneEyedJack S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 1 05-29-2012 04:38 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:40 PM.


© S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2015
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)