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Old 01-19-2017, 08:01 PM
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For the last few years I've pocket carried a S&W 442 in a Desantis nemesis, but lately I have been thinking about switching to my pt22 for pocket carry. A few reasons are:


Fits/carries better
much more consistent and faster draw from the pocket
easier and faster follow-up shots
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I know the .22 has a dubious SD record but just wanted to see if anyone made a similar switch and how it worked out for them.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:19 PM
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I wouldn't trade my pocket 442 for anything. Now if someone had a nice 2" Modle 10 round but I might trade one of my 442s.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:25 PM
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You went from a 5 round .38 cal to a 8 round .22 cal. Interesting.
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Ultimately, you have to do what's right for you. If the Taurus .22 works better for you than the 442, then go with it.

Personally, I wouldn't if I were in your position. I would rather seek out a Ruger LCP if I wanted something closer to the pros you listed. Maybe even one of the pocket 9mms that are available. I would suggest you look at those options, maybe even try some from friends or rental ranges, before making a wholesale switch. You may find something that meets your needs but offers something more effective than .22. Just my opinion, FWIW.
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I have a 442, a 642, and a Ruger LCR in .22 WMR, and I would pocket carry any of them. I would not trust the Taurus, because I don't trust Taurus in general . . .
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:42 PM
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I have a 442, a 642, and a Ruger LCR in .22 WMR, and I would pocket carry any of them. I would not trust the Taurus, because I don't trust Taurus in general . . .
I agree with your distrust of Taurus. However I think their
revolvers are ok. It's the semi-autos that are not trustworthy.
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The PT22 has a dismal record of failure right out of the box. Stay with the 442.
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Thanks for the responses guys, looks like I'll hang onto the smith (or maybe just carry both..lol).

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Old 01-30-2017, 04:29 PM
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Years ago I had a Taurus PT 22. Traded it in fast after the slide blew off at the range. Don't know if they fixed the problems. My 642 has been great and goes almost anywhere. If you want something smaller, trade that Taurus in on a Ruger LCP. In any case, keep the 442.
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The PT22 wouldn't be my choice, but I do find a Ruger LCP easier to carry in some pockets than I do one of my j frames.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:14 PM
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I wouldn't carry Taurus anything. A rock is probably more reliable.
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I wouldn't trade my pocket 442 for anything. Now if someone had a nice 2" Modle 10 round but I might trade one of my 442s.
This.

I use my 2" 10 for owb edc and my 442 for the pocket.

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Old 01-30-2017, 09:53 PM
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My normal EDC is a 2 inch S&W Model 12-2 and a S&W Model 642-2. If wanting something real small, a KelTec PAT or P32 would be as small as I'd go. I had a P32 but swapped it away after shooting it over my Chrony.

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If you want a reliable mouse 22 a S&W 2214 will fill that niche. Another one would be the budget priced Phoenix Arms hp22. I think there is a thread running about 22 mouse guns... somewhere..?
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Personally, I wouldn't if I were in your position. I would rather seek out a Ruger LCP if I wanted something closer to the pros you listed. Maybe even one of the pocket 9mms that are available.
Agreed. There are so many "itsy bitsy" automatics on the market now that I would have a hard time justifying even a .380, presuming the user in question was capable of handling a 9mm.

Additionally, the 8-round capacity of the Taurus is dubious. I don't think that the capacity-vs-firepower trade is favorable.

Have you tried a subcompact 9mm? And if you have, have you really tried to push yourself in terms of speed? You might very well find that a .22 is no faster.
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I don't own a 380 or 32 (carried a P32 for years then realized I wasn't confident in my with the gun) or 22 for carry. I do have a model 60 that I pocket carry from time to time. I was hoping that my Glock 43 would take over the roll. Its hard to beat a j frame in the pocket.
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My only real issue with a .22 for defense is that its a rimfire. We've all experienced misfires with even quality .22 ammo. It seems like in the last year or so since manufactures have caught up on the .22 shortage that I've experienced even more .22 misfires per box than usual.
Centerfire cartridges are more reliable.
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My PT-22 worked well with HV 22 ammo, but fell apart upon field-stripping. I still have it, wondering if it is worth the money to ship back for the free repair work. It is a cheap copy of Beretta. I prefer a 38 or 380 for small guns, but I would pick a 25 over 22 simply because centerfires tend to be more reliable.
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I agree with your distrust of Taurus. However I think their
revolvers are ok. It's the semi-autos that are not trustworthy.
Their un trustworthiness branches out to their revolvers too.Alot of the Taurus Judes blew apart when introduced.
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Years ago I had a Taurus PT 22. Traded it in fast after the slide blew off at the range. Don't know if they fixed the problems. My 642 has been great and goes almost anywhere. If you want something smaller, trade that Taurus in on a Ruger LCP. In any case, keep the 442.
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Problem was not fixed in 2012 I had two p22 blow apart the same day one dealer handed me anonther one same day 2 nd one did same thing. Handed it back to him for a refund bought a . 32 K el Tec. Its been flawless with 1000 threw it. I never went back to that dealer. I didnt. buy the .32 from hime either. I figured if he would hand me two that he had to know where pure junk why do business with them. Last Taurus I will ever pick up
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Problem was not fixed in 2012 I had two p22 blow apart the same day one dealer handed me anonther one same day 2 nd one did same thing. Handed it back to him for a refund
Exactly my experience with the PT22 I owned very briefly. The pistol wouldn't cycle standard velocity loads. I tried CCI Mini-Mag 36 gr. HP's and it was working fine-until the slide flew off landing about six feet forward of me on the floor of the indoor range! Boy did that stop shooting.

I would not carry ANY .22 LR as a primary defense weapon because even the best .22 rimfire ammunition has a very high failure to fire rate compared to centerfire cartridges. The less chance of click instead of bang, the better.
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I would not carry ANY .22 LR as a primary defense weapon because even the best .22 rimfire ammunition has a very high failure to fire rate compared to centerfire cartridges. The less chance of click instead of bang, the better.
In the last 6 thousand rounds or so that I have fired I have had zero fail to go bang on the first try when shooting Federal and CCI ammo in my pistols along with CCI and Geco in my bolt rifle. This covers the last 4 years of shooting.
There is of course one exception, Winchester made ammo, I used less than 1/4 of a bulk box.. naasty stuff. I got desperate to re supply my stash and found cheap was not worth the hassle. That box was shelved and earmarked as give away. Yes there is junk ammo out there. Yet I'm sure there are as many good brands out there as crummy ones. My advice? ... choose to be picky.
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Have to agree that I haven't had many .22's fail to fire...good ammo will help the odds there. A good .22 is way better than going un-armed.

Having said that...I carry a 442 every day and trust the .38spl to do the job IF I do mine....
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I have no experience with the PT22, but have to agree with everyone else who think that a J-frame Centennial is hard to beat for pocket carry. From the mid 80s to mid 90s, I carried a similar .22 pistol in pockets - the Beretta Model 21A. I have two, have pretty much worn them both out shooting them (probably 5k or more rounds each), and would tout them as the best .22 pistol in that class. I carried them for reasons they included maximum concealment ability. The Taurus, I believe is a little bigger than the Beretta and any concealment advantage over a J-frame vs a small auto is negated.

Lately I've been carrying a Glock 43 in pocket and would suggest like other posters that there are better options for pocket carry than a .22 pistol. Back when I carried the Beretta, there just wasn't anything on the market that was as consistent or reliable (mine handled practically every .22 bullet I ever tried). Today there are a lot of better options.


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