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Old 02-07-2017, 12:43 PM
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Hearing is damaged by repeated exposure to loud noises. As I am approaching my 7th decade of a life filled with loud noises I am increasingly becoming more deaf and experience tinnitus to a large degree.

Almost all of the examples in the above posts have been part of my life. In my flying days I both rode in and piloted aircraft with no consideration for cabin noise, fired many rounds from various high power weapons, Summer duty late in life supervising concert security, and plenty of time in loud bars with live and loud music, and listening to Rock music on my own with headphones of my college days ~ all without hearing protection.

My wife can't talk to me unless we are in the same room, using phones and just not hearing them ring is problematic for me. in any kind of background noise I can only read lips of anyone trying to talk to me. Life's a Bixxh with a profound hearing loss.

Having said that, in a defensive situation, whatever I have in hand would be used if it was life or death. My always carried 360PD AirLite is like a flash bang, even with std .38's (Hornady Critical Defense) if fired indoors.

On my nitestand, within arms reach, is my Kimber .45, also quite loud with 3" barrel. I also keep a 12ga Mossberg accessible. Any of these would be used without hesitation or hearing protection if need be. probably end up totally deaf after any extended use, but I'd still be alive.

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Old 02-07-2017, 12:47 PM
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I have no limit. I've posted a chart on here before.357,9mm, 12GA, 5.56 - not that much in it less than 10db. They were in the 115-120db range
Charts I've seen put gunshots at 150-160+ decibels. The only round I've shot that doesn't cause at least momentary ear ring are 22 shorts from a rifle.

Silencing a 9 mm pistol is an idea. $1000 to save your hearing, cheap.
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Old 02-07-2017, 12:50 PM
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On my nitestand, within arms reach, is my Kimber .45, also quite loud with 3" barrel. I also keep a 12ga Mossberg accessible. Any of these would be used without hesitation or hearing protection if need be. probably end up totally deaf after any extended use, but I'd still be alive.

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Electronic muffs next to the nightstand gun don't take but just a second, and they can help you hear mouse farts in the next room. I'm a big believer in them. My hearing loss comes from repeated exposure over 20 years to 105mm and 120mm tank gun fire despite wearing hearing protection. I can hear the alarm and the dog, and it's impossible to ignore my wife's elbow jabbing me in the ribs. The muffs let me hear what's happening and protect what little hearing I have left. Oh, yeah. Tinnitus sucks.
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Old 02-07-2017, 03:07 PM
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To be clear if I have to choose between what's left of my hearing and my life I'm going to choose my life.
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To be clear if I have to choose between what's left of my hearing and my life I'm going to choose my life.
ANYBODY would make that choice.


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only place for hearing protection is the range.
The place for hearing protection is anyplace/anytime that you know or suspect that exposure to loud noises is a possibility...and you have the opportunity to use it
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:26 PM
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Does anyone know of a court case where the defendant in a home invasion shooting was prosecuted because of wearing hearing protection? Also, if the ear protection was removed before the the police arrived, who would know or think to ask?
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:41 AM
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Massad Ayoob (You may have heard of him.) recommends active hearing protection and body armor as part of a layered defense. I wear body armor on a daily basis so it's hanging on the coat rack next to my bed anyway. Velcroing a holster for my nightstand gun wouldn't be a big deal. The alarm and Ben the dog will give me advance warning, and my wife's S&W Model 681 will give me cover while I don the body armor and hearing protection. If I don't have time to do that, I can just draw the gun off the body armor.

Might have to consider that.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:46 AM
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Hopefully I will never have to use my pistol in a self defense situation so will never find out how loud firing my Compact in 40 or my 9 mm Beretta would be without hearing protection inside or even out doors !!

I found out about hearing when I first started shooting by the man who taught me to shoot .. he insisted I used something .. he found ear plugs for swimmers soft rubbery like material and that is what we used till ear plugs became available ..

I then hired into a factory with the loud noises in there .. company supplied ear protection but back then OSHA Rules didn't make you wear them .. By the time I ended up leaving that job 37 years later .. those of us who wore hearing protection every day still could hear many others that didn't wear them until they were forced to had hearing aids or had various degrees of hearing loss by the time they retired .. the ear plugs helped save much of our hearing but caused many troubles for people .. from serious ear infections to wax buildup that had to be removed by a doctor were caused by them ..

So they do help if exposed to loud noise over a prolonged period such as in a factory .. over just one or two shots fired I'm not sure if any noticeable long term loss would occur !!
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:54 AM
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Electronic muffs next to the nightstand gun don't take but just a second, and they can help you hear mouse farts in the next room...
That's a good tip I've never thought of and I already have a pair that I use for hunting where I am far more likely to fire a shoot than in a home defense situation.

On the street though it would sort of be like open carry.

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I've lost half my hearing - social deafness is all it's cracked up to be. Anyway, I have amplified earmuffs at the bedside and carry a Glock 36 45 ACP. The decibel scale being on a log scale places the subsonic 45 at half the noise of a 9mm/40 cal shot. That's where I am.
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I have one of my old sets of armor in the bedroom, and another in my office (at work, not a home office). My first set is in the other house; the research indicates that true woven Kevlar does not deteriorate much and it's better than a t-shirt and a lot of chest hair.

The firearm to be chosen depends on where I am in the house, so what comes to hand fastest. However, the single best platform is an AR (a quality one from a top tier manufacturer such as Colt, BCM, Sully, DD, etc) with an Aimpoint and a really good flashlight. Great ergonomics, best ballistic performance of the options against aggressors, and least risk of penetrating the walls and being a risk to others. My good ears are in a BoB, and not nearby in the house. While not a priority at this time, the next step is doing an SBR with a can; an 11.5" barrel seems to be the best choice for my needs, but without a can they are obnoxious even outside.

As I try to point out in every such string, the best home defense gun is one you don't have to use because your house is not welcoming to anyone uninvited. Biggest fence you can afford and have under your local zoning with padlocked gates so that anyone who wants to get to the house has to climb it; floodlights on a timer or motion detector over the more vulnerable areas, and dogs that at least wake up growling, jump off the bed, and run to the sound on unwelcome noises. (My avatar, may Bozo RIP, would have done a lot of damage to a stranger, but there are real drawbacks to a beast of that nature if you are not willing to live the life required. There will be NO visitors; anyone who gets even close to you and your house will be yelled to GTF away, etc. I am not a west side weakling; I don't like most people, and I do not care if they leave my presence crying.) If any door of your house is ever open or even unlocked except to pass through it, pay someone to administer slap therapy and Ermey to give you a mindset speech. Inexcusable.
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That's a good tip I've never thought of and I already have a pair that I use for hunting where I am far more likely to fire a shoot than in a home defense situation.

On the street though it would sort of be like open carry.

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I don't wear muffs when I'm out and about during the duty day or off duty. I am considering hearing aids/protection w/85 decibel compression, though.

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what ever weapon that is at hand.......hearing is second to family or self.
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There's a reason I am so strident about this topic. A good portion of my hearing is gone and it's never coming back. Don't Make My Mistake use your hearing protection EVERY TIME. if you have time to use it in a home defense situation use it then.

If you have a copy of Dark Side Of The Moon put it on your stereo and unplug one of the speakers. Now listen to the album from the next room,that's what it sounds like to me
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Personally, I think this thread or a similar one regarding hearing loss should be a "sticky".
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