I realize this may only be pertinent to a limited number of folks but here goes.

I have been pondering a waterproof video camera mounted on the roll bar. One reason is to have cool vids when off road or capturing unusual things on daily commutes, etc. In the following vid I found (at the 1:50 mark) you can see the angle I am interested in capturing. GoPro Hero 3 Black Edition Cam Mounted On Jeep Wrangler ... - Bing video

The main reason though is to protect myself from unlawful prosecution.

Recently I heard of an incident where a driver was accused of brandishing a weapon at another driver. I can not recall from where nor find said article for the life of me. All I remember is that the Cops were called and it was ones word against the other. Somehow the accuser saw the weapon in the other drivers car.....

Now my point. For any of you who drive this way, t-less and d-less, you know the wind can wreak havoc on your clothes. You also know that other drivers can easily see ALL of you. I do OC and CC so I have begun to ponder my upcoming spring Jeep ritual.

Do any of you (yes even non-Jeep folks) use camera(s) for the SPECIFIC purpose of keeping yourself in the clear because of a lying accuser?

This is something I intend to do this Spring. Now I am going over my waterproof options. This is for my daily driver and once I convert to Spring driving, doors and roof do not go back on 'till October. This is why I need waterproof. Considering the new GoPro HERO5 Black.

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I think you worry too much.

If you must do something, consider a lock box.
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And why put a camera where someone could easily steal it?

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1-A lockbox eliminates my ability to access my weapon immediately.
2-The camera comes off when I get out. Have you seen the size of them?

3- And I thought I worried just the right amount

Watching this thread with interest, as I plan to have just such a vehicle in time for fall topless and doorless weather . . .

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Appendix carry. Concealed. Problem solved.

They all go by so fast they never get a chance to see mine!

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Ankle holster, plus stick your leg out, like every other automatic transmission driving yahoo that has his/her doors off.
I drive a manual and have little reason to take my half doors off. Anyways I like leaving stuff in my door sills.

Keeping your gun in center console lock box UNLOCKED offers quicker access than any other method of carry.

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And you base this opinion on what testing?

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Dont know what your jeep looks like, but it occurs to me that if the camera was at the rear of jeep you might be visable in video. Thus answering the question what did you do in response to others actions. Just a thought.

I like the bed liner "Paint." This will be a trend that continues to grow IMO.

There you go.

Being unavoidably vulnerable to a false charge of brandishing is one of several reasons to not open-carry.

One has to know the laws of their state inside and out. In NC, where I live, you pretty much can't be charged with brandishing for oc'ing. I oc and cc depending on what I'm doing and where I'm going. I've even walked up to uniformed officers and thanked them for serving the community while oc'ing without issue or dirty looks from them.

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Here's an idea.

Condition Zero Pistol Mount for Jeep Wrangler: Gear Review - The Truth About Guns

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This works for me also.
My after market seat is a very tight fit and it would take me a long time to get to my pistol in the seated position.

No testing. Common sense. But I guess some people lack in that department.

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Now there's some common sense.

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A lock box will also provide a place store the gun that is reasonably secure if you go somewhere that you can't or aren't supposed to carry a gun. Schools, post office, federal buildings etc....

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Just make sure its a Good lockbox.
Tuffy is the go to brand.
Cheap ones are not worth it.
Of course its a great place to keep the insurance and registration papers dry also.

Wow, this thread took a turn I would not have expected from a CC/OC group.

Many of us are asked "WHY" do you feel you need a gun (from the anti's) and a common answer is "I hope I never need it but if I do....", or "I would rather have and not need than need and not have"....

Many will use the comparison "I would rather have a fire extinguisher in my home and not need it than the alternative." OH and by the way, I do keep 2 extinguishers in the jeep at all times. 1) For trail rides it is often mandatory and 2) It just makes sense. And yep, had to use mine twice. Once on a trail ride where a JP got stuck in the fall-and the hot underside caught some dried leaves on fire. The 2nd time was at a friends house where a car pulled into her drive with the undercarriage on fire.

Also many folks who CC/OC will carry an audio recording device with them in case of a bad or a police encounter.

Just surprised I guess

Now to some of the options given on how to avoid needing a camera-Just In Case:
In addition to not wanting to waste the time trying to dig my firearm out of a locked box, I also do not like off body carry at all. Just personal preference. No judgements though.

One would think ANY type of CC would solve the problem BUT with the 65MPH speeds, and anywhere from 0-50 MPH crosswinds (Iowa here) your clothes do not stay put! Fact, not my opinion. And as I mentioned, with no doors (nope, not even halves) there is nothing to shield you from view.

FUNNY, AND almost right on target!

Hmmm, Manual tranny here and I will always have one. As to no reason to have doors off.....I see no reason to have doors on, in a jeep

Agree 100% but this knowledge will NOT stop a rabid Anti from falsely accusing. I suspect many here have heard of swatting. NRA-ILA | Gun Control Supporters Advocate “SWAT-ing” of Gun Owners

Will look into but still queasy about off body carry.

My plan is to get a camera. I see from the many "votes/suggestions" against that I must have my toes on that very thin line between paranoia and reality Ah well, we all dance to the beat of a different drum.

Damn, I blame my wife for waking me up and myself for looking at this thread at this time of the night when work is just a couple hours away. GN all.

What one perceives as "common sense" can actually be nothing more than bad advice and conjecture that is then wrapped in the term "common sense" to make it appear relevant.

@OP, you talked about swatting. While I understand that that can be a concern I would think that the overall chances of that happening would be very low. Anything can happen and you need to rate the risks of each and plan for the most likely. Good luck to you!
Edit to add: I am in no way suggesting you don't get a camera. I have a personal dash cam in my work van "just in case" too. I don't know if they make them waterproof but check into the dual dash cams that video front and rear.

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I expect that this situation was the result of a Road Rage incident and rather suspect that the accuser did have a handgun pointed at him, probably along with the other driver yelling for him to back off. Technically and under the Law such an action would be Brandishing. Whether that act would be considered Justified is something that would have to be determined by a Court.

So, what does all this mean. It means your best "defense" is to have your camera recording the traffic around you, as in the traditional "dash cam" now installed in higher end GPS units or available as a separate item for under 100 dollars. The second means of "defense" is to NEVER engage in Road Rage, if someone goes off on you slow down by 5 or 10 mph until he gets bored and moves on. DO NOT REACT IN ANY WAY TO HIS PROVOCATIONS beyond avoiding a collision. That means don't flip him off and don't even look at him directly.

Here is what I was talking about as far as dash cams go.
Innovv motorcycle camera | motorcycle dashcam | motorcycle dvr

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Again. From about 20 years of no top and no door cj Yj and tj owning in Arizona. Year round top off. Appendix carry. Shirt over gun seatbelt over shirt. Need access? Undo seatbelt and access. Problem solved.

From my personal experience, you aren't going to get a better on body solution outside of a wilderness safe packer style man purse.

TinMon..a question... What do you carry and how do you normally carry it... Do you wear a cover garment?

Bob

I keep mine attached to my body in a carry holster when I'm in my Jeep.

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You clearly didn't read or fully comprehend my post about the lock box. KEEP THE BOX UNLOCKED.

As stated above by EB07, appendix carry might be the way to go. Or cross draw. But good luck in a serious accident with seat belt around the gun. And not bashing his idea, but IF and only IF you keep the box unlocked AND free of clutter it WILL be faster than releasing your seat belt, moving it away, and going for your gun. But knowing EB07 I'm sure he has practiced this many times and is pretty fast.

Not only that, but a situation may arise when you don't want to remove your seat belt. You may still be looking to evade the situation while still in the vehicle. One foot on the clutch, the other on the gas, left hand on the wheel, and the right on stick shift. Right? With all this going on wouldn't it be much easier to simply open the lid to the center console and grab your gun with you right hand? No seat belt to mess with. No grabbing at your shirt. You can be armed almost immediately while still going through the decision process of what to do next. Heck at least you could open the lid and leave it open offering quicker access while you decide what to do next.

Obviously you don't want to drive with a gun in your hand. There will a lot going on around you and in your mind. But I think you get the idea. Things will happen fast. And remember that you are responsible for your actions at all times. Not only are you carrying a deadly weapon but you are also driving one.

But I think you already made up your mind before your original post. Get the camera but realize that it will never be a deterrent. Then go and buy a STICKY holster. Put your gun in it and wedge it between the seat and center console.

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OP - Maybe this is the case you are thinking about?

Gun appeal doesn’t sway Henrico jury - Richmond Times-Dispatch: Gun-appeal-doesn-t-sway-henrico-jury

I'd say carry as you wish (CC/OC), just don't handle it in public.

Bob S.

Must be a Jeep thing, only think I prefer topless and doorless are my women.

To brandish in MN, you have to brandish. You can OC or CC on the same permit or in some situations, without a permit.

Considering the observational skills of most people, especially while driving, if you have the gun holstered, nobody will see it. Unless you have a blaze orange AR or AK, most won't see it. And even then, many wont.

How I do it is I put the seat belt UNDER the butt of the handgun but on top of the shirt so its on my body and not the gun, then the shirt is tucked in under it and pulled over the handgun. Hard to visualize but the shirt stays put and my internals are safe in the event of an accident. There is a small bulge but you can't notice it. Simply undo seatbelt and you have easy access to the handgun.

This is also why I prefer low ride AIWB holsters... I will give up the speed of draw for lower ride and more concealment plus they allow the seat belt to ride where it should. years of trial and error...

I do this in every vehicle doors or no doors

There is no magic solution to this. Downsides to every method.

The center console unlocked with a mounted holster is a viable solution but the downside is when you leave the vehicle you need to handle the firearm to get it on body or leave it in the jeep which to me is not too secure.

The wilderness safepacker is the only other method I found that works but as a personal guide and not wanting to turn in my man card I do not like man purses so this is not for me.

Jeeps are almost as fun. Mine is all torn apart and slowing going back together.



I have no center console but do have an extra V-Line pistol box.

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All good points. However, he open carries so transfer to and from the lock box is a moot point. In theory he would never have to lock the box unless he leaves the gun in there for some reason. Which does happen.

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I do not have a camera. I dont want one more thing to grab when I get out of my jeep. I dont change the way I carry depending on what I am driving. If Im on motorcycle, jeep, honda accord, or wifes explorer I wear whatever I happen to be wearing at the moment. I prefer concealment.

The idea is surveiling yourself seems most likely to be counterproductive.

Ask Aaron Hernandez how it worked out for him.

I have a lock box under the seat when I need to use it but I prefer to body carry. I like that set up with the bracket next to the console, might look into that. My 97 TJ

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WOW, by "most", not "all" the replies, it seems I should have just posted this question about in the existing thread about Best Carry Position in Vehicle

Thanks all - I will go peruse that thread.

Nothing to see here, Muss Muggins...

Sell Jeep, buy motorcycle, carry pistol under riding jacket.

There are dash cameras designed to record both forward and inside the passenger compartment. Perhaps you can mount one such that it is protected from water and discreet so it doesn't get stolen? Here's one example to give you an idea: Transcend DrivePro 520 Dual Lens in & out TAXI Dashcam Review - YouTube

Wouldn't it be commonsense to actually test it before recommending something?

That sounds like it puts the seat belt across your abdomen instead of your hips.

I carry strong side and can draw without releasing my seat belt in my pickup. My draw was around 2.5 seconds last time I tried it.

Now this is common sense! I drive a Jeep Wrangler, a Range Rover Sport, a Corvette convertible, and a motorcycle. Same carry...always...save sometimes a shoulder holster when in one of the 4 wheeled vehicles for a long time.

Be safe.

PS: 'Same carry' is strong side IWB or sometimes OWB if I am wearing a suit, sport coat, or jacket. ALWAYS concealed...no matter how windy.

mounting your Go-Pro high on the roll bar on drivers side will give the same view as the clip just higher and with top up would be covered .. another mount might be on your door hinge if you can find something .. I have my Go-Pro on my dash .. but have thought of running power to the roll bar and putting it just under the roll bar in the middle between seats ..

as far as carry I never have mine off body .. when you need your weapon you need it now not the 3-5 seconds it takes you to open a console and pull the pistol out and then remove the holster .. mine remains at 4 o'clock .. If my shirt is off I just lay it along side the seat covering it so no one would see looking in .. have a Jeep Wrangler .. its my 6th one since 1969 .. all told 11 Jeep's we have had including my wife's 5 ..

have been very reliable and so much fun !!!

Nope. But anyway, he wants to open carry so he is not going to appendix carry

No, the point isn't whether you actually brandished, it's that your accuser knows you have a firearm, because you were open carrying and he saw it. You gave him a great way to "mess" with ya...

All he has to do is call 911 and say "this guy, he pointed a gun at me!!".

Police are going to respond, and they'll respond on the basis that you actually DID brandish a firearm, and you'll likely end up with multiple firearms pointed at you, with multiple fingers on or near triggers.

"Why would someone make a false report of brandishing?"...who knows. Road rage, for real or imagined offense? Doesn't like guns and people who own guns? Doesn't like your skin color, or your bumper sticker? Take your pick. You just make yourself vulnerable to it, by OC'ing.

It will boil down to a "he said she said", but the immediate situation will be unpleasant.

This isn't about CC vs OC. It's been hashed over several times here at great length but to no avail. Every thread on the subject was locked for good reason. It's legal and it's his right.

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Never said it wasn't legal, or not "his right".

If you read the OP's original post..heh...you'll see
his reason for mounting a cam in the vehicle is to
guard against false complaints of brandishing,
by someone who observes his (holstered, unbrandished)
handgun.

"Reading is fundamental."

Yes, reading is fundamental. Yet some people can't comprehend what they read.

You turned this into a OC vs CC debate. Don't derail this thread.

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I just went out and sat in the car with a red gun. In order for the lap belt to be across my hips and the belt and holster to be below the lap belt I had to lower my pants until I looked like a gang member. Can you try to explain that again?

Open carry is legal in may state. Regardless of if I'm in my YJ or on foot, I don't care who sees it. There is a difference between a open carrying a holstered firearm and "questionable brandishing" that requires a video CYA. Do not draw your firearm unless you have a good reason. Other than that, who cares if someone sees a firearm on your person; jeep or not?

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