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In the mid 80's I was involved in a shooting incident. The incident occurred in the kitchen of a house I was renting a room in.

I was sitting in the living room, my roommate's girl friend walked in the front door and asked where he was. I told her he was in the kitchen. She walked into the kitchen, found him drunk on the floor said something then pulled out a .38 and started shooting.

She murdered our refrigerator, shot out a window (the bullet hit our neighbor's house) and put one through the wall next to me. I remember running into the hallway and seeing her standing there with a gun in her hand. The other roommate yelled down the hall to keep the noise down he was trying to sleep. I don't think he realized what happened until the cops showed up.

At that point I turned around and ran right out the front door, then to the neighbors where I called the cops.

The next time I was involved in a shooting incident I wrote about it here


UPDATED***Over Reacted last Night, Probably Over Thinking It Today.

Long story short with a little (lot) more training I assessed, moved to cover, got ready to fight but ultimately ran like hell and called the cops.

The last time I was involved in a shooting incident was about a year ago. I was getting ready for work putting my stuff in my car when I saw someone walking through the parking lot. He left our lot and appeared to try to open a gate into the neighbor's yard.

At that point I heard a shot but don't know exactly what happened. I THINK the neighbor fired a shot at the guy that was trying to into their yard.

I actually remember thinking "God I'm glad I'm wearing body armor." As I was ducking behind my car and drawing my gun and watching the guy I saw in the parking lot running away.

Then, I ran like Hell and called the cops.

So, my point here is that if I ever have to be in a gun fight I certainly want to win (or at least survive) but if there's ANYTHING, including running away, I can do to to avoid one I'm going to do that first.

I can't think of anything that I gain from involving myself in a fight unless I'm forced to. I've told this before but I have a friend who was involved in a robbery several years ago. He was in a restaurant that was being robbed and drew his gun and ordered the robber to drop his. The robber shot him. He ended up killing the robber but he's going to carry the marks of that shooting for life.
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Apparently, you're fit enough to flee. Although unfortunate enough to be associated with a number of incidents, you survived unscathed.

You did what you decided was prudent at the time. Here's to hoping your gunfighting career is over

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I don't blame you for getting out of there. If you don't have to shoot someone I say that's a plus. As far as stopping a robbery, if no life is in danger and it's not my money I would give it some serious thought. If I thought I had to save a life that's one thing. I would try to be a good witness if nothing more. To tell you the truth, I can't say what I would do. I have never been in combat and have no experience.
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Being here to write this thread shows you made the right decision.
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I don't blame you for getting out of there. If you don't have to shoot someone I say that's a plus. As far as stopping a robbery, if no life is in danger and it's not my money I would give it some serious thought. If I thought I had to save a life that's one thing. I would try to be a good witness if nothing more. To tell you the truth, I can't say what I would do. I have never been in combat and have no experience.
I don't talk to my friend about his incident. We talked about it one time and I promised I'd never bring it up again but there's a part of me that would love to know what was going through his mind when it happened.
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An Eternal Truth, engraved above the gates of Heaven...If not, it should be...FEETS, Save the body!
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It shows that under certain circumstances, retreat is a perfectly valid option that can save a life and also avoid a nightmare of legal and financial problems. I too would prefer to retreat if I feel I have the option.
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as far as i can tell from this forum, honest people shooting others is cost prohibitive.
our laws are screwed up if self defense points to bankruptcy,
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At least you used your head instead of your hand and you are still here to post about it. The best encounter that you ever will face and you can still talk about is a success.

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I'd say if it doesn't involve saving a life you did the right thing. I can't think of saving any amount of money, mine or someone else's is worth going through what you would have to go through. Saving a life, well, what price can you put on that.
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As most others have said the right decisions were made. But please don't ever ask me for a ride any place or to go have a beer with you

My wife works as an LEO (18years) in a city at one time was in the top 15 of deadliest cities and so far has been blessed to have only used her service pistol in qualification on the range or practice.
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So I mentioned the first shooting on another thread and another poster called me a poser for running.

This thread was my response. Gunfights are serious stuff. In the first one the cops told my drunk roommate that it was irrelevant if he pressed charges or not because the neighbor who's house she hit was pressing and if they didn't the State would. I'd be willing to bet that the woman's life is still affected today.

Like most of the people on this forum I don't walk out my door unarmed. In fact I'm sitting on my couch at 2300 MST watching PBS and I have a gun in my hoodie pocket.

I don't carry a gun because I WANT to fight but because I want the option if everything else has failed. I have nothing to prove and nothing to gain by "Riding to the sound of the guns" (Joe Horn).

Someone told me they've never run from a fight ever. I will run every chance I get
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as far as i can tell from this forum, honest people shooting others is cost prohibitive.
our laws are screwed up if self defense points to bankruptcy,
IF YOU SHOOT SOMEONE IN SELF DEFENSE, YOU MAY VERY WELL BE BANKRUPTED BY CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS AND CIVIL SUITS....

OF COURSE, ALL OF THAT PALES IN COMPARISON TO BEING KILLED. IF YOU HAVE REASONABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER, DO NOT HESITATE TO SHOOT. ITS MUCH BETTER TO BE ALIVE, AND BROKE......
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32 year retired LEO. Excellent choices. Now move to a better neighborhood and find better friends!
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Sounds like you made the best out of bad situations.

These types of posts bring remind me of a armed robbery that turned into a mass murder. This is the "worst case" scenario that would run through my head if I were present at an armed robbery.
Once the line is crossed and a perp's gun is drawn in commission of a crime, they may decide to take your life. If I, as a bystander were to respond with my CC, it would not be to save property, but to stop a threat to life that could include my own.

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The first rule my CCW instructor teaches is escape the threat. One of the beauties of CCW is your not obligated to use it.
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Because it was part of my work uniform.

Why do you care?

I was open carrying too.
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Because it was part of my work uniform.
Why do you care?
I was open carrying too.
No need to get defensive... I think he was just curious... I was wondering too... folks don't normally wear body armor unless, like in your case, it is for your job.

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No need to get defensive... I think he was just curious... I was wondering too... folks don't normally wear body armor unless, like in your case, it is for your job.
My bad.

KBM6893 and I have had some differences of opinion in the past so I tend to be a little touchy.

My apologies to both of you
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The idea that Rule One of gunfighting is "Have a gun" is pure Bravo Sierra.

Rule One of gunfighting is "Don't have a gunfight if there is any possible alternative."

Having a gun is definitely Rule Two.
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In the mid 80's I was involved in a shooting incident. The incident occurred in the kitchen of a house I was renting a room in.

I was sitting in the living room, my roommate's girl friend walked in the front door and asked where he was. I told her he was in the kitchen. She walked into the kitchen, found him drunk on the floor said something then pulled out a .38 and started shooting.

She murdered our refrigerator, shot out a window (the bullet hit our neighbor's house) and put one through the wall next to me. I remember running into the hallway and seeing her standing there with a gun in her hand. The other roommate yelled down the hall to keep the noise down he was trying to sleep. I don't think he realized what happened until the cops showed up.

At that point I turned around and ran right out the front door, then to the neighbors where I called the cops.

The next time I was involved in a shooting incident I wrote about it here


UPDATED***Over Reacted last Night, Probably Over Thinking It Today.

Long story short with a little (lot) more training I assessed, moved to cover, got ready to fight but ultimately ran like hell and called the cops.

The last time I was involved in a shooting incident was about a year ago. I was getting ready for work putting my stuff in my car when I saw someone walking through the parking lot. He left our lot and appeared to try to open a gate into the neighbor's yard.

At that point I heard a shot but don't know exactly what happened. I THINK the neighbor fired a shot at the guy that was trying to into their yard.

I actually remember thinking "God I'm glad I'm wearing body armor." As I was ducking behind my car and drawing my gun and watching the guy I saw in the parking lot running away.

Then, I ran like Hell and called the cops.

So, my point here is that if I ever have to be in a gun fight I certainly want to win (or at least survive) but if there's ANYTHING, including running away, I can do to to avoid one I'm going to do that first.

I can't think of anything that I gain from involving myself in a fight unless I'm forced to. I've told this before but I have a friend who was involved in a robbery several years ago. He was in a restaurant that was being robbed and drew his gun and ordered the robber to drop his. The robber shot him. He ended up killing the robber but he's going to carry the marks of that shooting for life.
So, you really haven't been in a gunfight yet, right?
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In the mid 80's I was involved in a shooting incident. The incident occurred in the kitchen of a house I was renting a room in.

I was sitting in the living room, my roommate's girl friend walked in the front door and asked where he was. I told her he was in the kitchen. She walked into the kitchen, found him drunk on the floor said something then pulled out a .38 and started shooting.

She murdered our refrigerator, shot out a window (the bullet hit our neighbor's house) and put one through the wall next to me. I remember running into the hallway and seeing her standing there with a gun in her hand. The other roommate yelled down the hall to keep the noise down he was trying to sleep. I don't think he realized what happened until the cops showed up.

At that point I turned around and ran right out the front door, then to the neighbors where I called the cops.

The next time I was involved in a shooting incident I wrote about it here


UPDATED***Over Reacted last Night, Probably Over Thinking It Today.

Long story short with a little (lot) more training I assessed, moved to cover, got ready to fight but ultimately ran like hell and called the cops.

The last time I was involved in a shooting incident was about a year ago. I was getting ready for work putting my stuff in my car when I saw someone walking through the parking lot. He left our lot and appeared to try to open a gate into the neighbor's yard.

At that point I heard a shot but don't know exactly what happened. I THINK the neighbor fired a shot at the guy that was trying to into their yard.

I actually remember thinking "God I'm glad I'm wearing body armor." As I was ducking behind my car and drawing my gun and watching the guy I saw in the parking lot running away.

Then, I ran like Hell and called the cops.

So, my point here is that if I ever have to be in a gun fight I certainly want to win (or at least survive) but if there's ANYTHING, including running away, I can do to to avoid one I'm going to do that first.

I can't think of anything that I gain from involving myself in a fight unless I'm forced to. I've told this before but I have a friend who was involved in a robbery several years ago. He was in a restaurant that was being robbed and drew his gun and ordered the robber to drop his. The robber shot him. He ended up killing the robber but he's going to carry the marks of that shooting for life.
I guess you could call these "shooting incidents" however you weren't "involved" in either, you were either in the same house and or across the parking lot, not the intended target and there was no "gunfight". Just stating the obvious.
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Because it was part of my work uniform.

Why do you care?

I was open carrying too.
You're the one who made it a point of bringing it up. I wore a uniform and a vest, too. Just not to go to work. We changed there. Can't imagine wearing a uniform and open carrying before I started getting paid.

Just seems highly unusual to me. Whole thread does.

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I don't think I'd call that running away from a gunfight. A gunfight would be at least two people with guns trying to shoot each other. Seems more like running away from a shooting since only one participant had a gun.
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You're the one who made it a point of bringing it up. I wore a uniform and a vest, too. Just not to go to work. We changed there. Can't imagine wearing a uniform and open carrying before I started getting paid.

Just seems highly unusual to me. Whole thread does.
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Have I ever claimed otherwise ?
Nope . . .

(question wasn't meant to be pejorative)
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