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Old 03-13-2017, 10:24 AM
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All kidding aside--here's how my thought process went when comparing the LCP I was thinking of getting, to the Glock 26 I wound up with
When I purchased my LCP it was within the context of a small pocket gun that I would drop in the pocket of my blue jeans in the morning and leave it there unnoticed till bedtime. Comparisons were like the P-3AT and TCP. The 26 nor any other gun in it's size and weight class were even remotely a consideration for that role. For my purposes, it would be comparing shotguns to rifles for duck hunting.
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What I've learned from this thread:

#1 The least effective caliber pocket gun for you...depends on the size of your pockets

#2 With a .380, I can shoot a skinny man wearing a T shirt, but not a fat guy on drugs in a leather jacket.

#3 "...the more bullet wounds a patient had the more likely the patient was going to die..."

#4 I'm better off with a sharp stick than a .32

But seriously...

One problem with these little pocket guns is, they become increasingly difficult to shoot acurately the smaller they get. Keeping my Kel Tec P32 in the black at 7 yds is not easy, I can't imagine shooting it accurately under duress. But that is my summer carry; either in my cargo shorts pocket, or clipped inside the waistband of my athletic shorts.
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Two of those JHP failures were against a skull. Several cases had skulls penetrated by FMJs.
What were the makers of the .380 JHP rounds that failed to penetrate the skull? Do you know the makers of the firearms or the barrel lengths of the handguns that were involved in these shooting incidents?

Nothing is perfect as you have pointed out. One of our Crime Scene Investigators was not impressed with the .45 ACP when a subject was shot with a full size 1911 and 230g FMJ that did not penetrate the skull.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:31 PM
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Not a big fan on .380 due to the cost of the loaded ammo and it's scarcity. While a lot of pistols chambered in it are attractive and compact, I am finding more and more 9MM pistols to be going in that same direction. The ballistics on a .380 are lacking as compared to a .38 spl+P and 9mm as well, so I would say no for me.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:41 PM
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The Makarov was used a service pistol for 50 years and even today. It's 9x18mm round is barely more powerful than a .380 and is often called "the Russian .380" because of this. I think it's doable as a fighting round provided good shot placements.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:46 PM
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I don't care what caliber it is because shot placement basically evens them all out.
How many people have had full mags of 9mm not stop the BG? Same with most any caliber while the ones with a 4 prefix might do much better.
The one shot stop is almost a myth when it comes down to real life scenarios. Real life isn't like in the movies but that's all people see so they believe it.
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When I purchased my LCP it was within the context of a small pocket gun that I would drop in the pocket of my blue jeans in the morning and leave it there unnoticed till bedtime. Comparisons were like the P-3AT and TCP. The 26 nor any other gun in it's size and weight class were even remotely a consideration for that role. For my purposes, it would be comparing shotguns to rifles for duck hunting.
I do the same thing, except with a holster and the 26. I'm not a huge guy.
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:45 PM
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In over 40 years carrying my BHP with a Model 36 backup I have heard of more killed with a 22lr than any of the calibres mentioned. Having been shot myself, the first critical seconds referenced are used by the one shot to figure out just what happened. The stopping of the person is mainly his inertia since when he finds he was hit, the fight spirit rapidly goes out of him. So I would say that the 380 can be very effective if it penetrates well and is accurately shot in a reliable pistol.
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:17 PM
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Nothing is perfect as you have pointed out. One of our Crime Scene Investigators was not impressed with the .45 ACP when a subject was shot with a full size 1911 and 230g FMJ that did not penetrate the skull.
Did the subject complain of a headache? Larry
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I've been watching the tv show"homicide hunter" it is about a homicide detective in Colorado springs,CO who solved over 400 cases in his career in law enforcement. you'd be surprised how many dead bodies on that show were killed with 380 's.....there are at least 8 seasons of this show, approximatelt 200 episodes on netflix right now....watch it and see. i was amazed. it shows how popular this round is and has been for a while
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I've carried a .380 backup gun and occasionally as a concealed carry gun when the threat situation was low but I wanted to carry something small. I have since retired the 380 PPKs and replaced with a 9mm Ruger LC9s which gives me a similar sized but lighter package with a better round.

I've only had to use a .380 one time in a threat situation and it fared quite well with Federal Hydra-Shoks.

Did the hollow-point expand?
How many follow-up shots were required?
Was overpenetration an issue?
How many non-combatant snakes were injured in the shooting?

These are questions you need to ask before carrying a .380 against snakes. Snake lives matter y'all.
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:27 PM
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As we downsize our carry gun for ease of carry, we get less rounds and the caliber naturally gets smaller, and thus, weaker. I've seen people shot with a lot of different calibers and bullet placement is king.
Since I retired I carry a LCP in 380 except if I am going near Detroit or some other danger zone.
The advancements in bullet design have certainly helped with all calibers and I prefer the 380 Gold Dots.
Not to worry about accuracy at 7 yards / 21 feet, most shootings rarely are at that long of a distance and will simply be point and shoot while you have an adrenaline dump.
Bottom line. Carry the biggest caliber with the most round capacity that you have confidence in, can carry comfortably and get to quickly.
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What were the makers of the .380 JHP rounds that failed to penetrate the skull? Do you know the makers of the firearms or the barrel lengths of the handguns that were involved in these shooting incidents?

Nothing is perfect as you have pointed out. One of our Crime Scene Investigators was not impressed with the .45 ACP when a subject was shot with a full size 1911 and 230g FMJ that did not penetrate the skull.
I've seen a case in which a .45 Hydra-Shok zipped around the outside of the skull.

Speaking of Hydra-Shoks, two of the inadequately penetrating .380 JHPs were those. The other was a Golden Saber from a Lorcin. I'd have to look up what the Federals came out of - and I have a lot to do today, so I doubt that's going to happen.

Here's the deal with all of these thread: The point is to pick a tool that makes you feel comfortable it'll work as needed in virtually every situation where you might need it. We don't know what you're doing or what you need - we're just a bunch of old guys jawing over coffee. You're the only one whose opinion matters.

Is the .380 cartridge underpowered? Depends on why you need it.
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Consider what the author of that article(Greg Ellifritz) had to say about .380 ACP and the guns that fire it... Is the .380 ACP an Adequate Caliber for Defensive Use? | Active Response Training
That's a good article, thanks.

When looking at data collected from actual shootings (ALHSP linked earlier) there's no significant difference in incapacitation rates among common carry calibers 380ACP, 38spcl, 9mm and 45ACP. When gelatin bad guys, expert-think and 'what if' scenarios are the measure then the 380ACP does not fare as well. That's pretty much consistent among most caliber analysis I've seen and what makes these subjects such excellent fodder for Forum discussion.

I think it's fair to say that small frame autoloaders can be difficult for some shooters to reliably operate. That said, my LCP has never had a malfunction or stoppage of any kind even with wet hands. Unless I have any personal experience to the contrary it's not an issue for me. That said, at practice ranges I've seen countless others struggle with reliability shooting larger framed autoloaders of larger caliber than 380ACP. No matter what carry gun, reliability in the shooter's hands is key.
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A 380 when used as intended (to save your life at close range - 5 to 7 yards) IMHO is most adequate with the proper ammo. Alternating rounds of defense hollow points and FMJ at that range will serve it's purpose in an emergency. I would trust it for that purpose. Outside of 10 yards I would prefer a higher caliber round but the 380 has it's place.
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"Is the .380 cartridge underpowered?"

Been following and contributed to this thread early on...........

What pops into my head every time I see the thread Title is.....LOL

"YES;when compared to a cartridge that starts with a "5" and is fired from a belt fed M-2!!!!!"

IMHO......Eric's post above is as close to a correct answer to the OP's question as you can get!
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It sounds as if you've decided already.

By your standards, I would say most handgun rounds are ineffective.

I personally would prefer not to have that energy dumped in me once, let alone a few times.

I think the .380 is an effective round, but slowly becoming obsolete due to the size of the current 9mm models.
I have a Bidyguard .380. When somebody makes a 9MM that small, i will buy one. I carry a Ruger LC9-S too. Small gun, but the Bodyguard disappears in a pocket. The Ruger does not.
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Here's the deal with all of these thread: The point is to pick a tool that makes you feel comfortable it'll work as needed in virtually every situation where you might need it. We don't know what you're doing or what you need - we're just a bunch of old guys jawing over coffee. You're the only one whose opinion matters.
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I have a Bidyguard .380. When somebody makes a 9MM that small, i will buy one. I carry a Ruger LC9-S too. Small gun, but the Bodyguard disappears in a pocket. The Ruger does not.
I completely agree. Note I said "slowly", but not yet. I carry a Kel-Tec quite a bit throughout the year. But to me, that's the .380's last bastion- the BG sized pistols. Hard to justify a PPK/Beretta 84-sized pistol unless you like the "cool" factor, or you don't want to buy another pistol.

I was giving a middle of the road opinion. If it were yes or no, I would say yes, the .380 is effective. Based on pretty much nothing.
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It all depends on how you look at it. Yes it is less of a round than a 45 ACP, but if an individual has a 45 ACP carry gun and they often times refuse to carry it because it's too heavy or too hard to conceal, well size does not matter in that case. What good is a 45 ACP sitting in your gun safe at home and not on your hip when you need it? You have probably heard this a thousand times before, and that is to carry a gun that you feel comfortable shooting and carrying. I carry a Ruger LCR 38sp+ and sometimes I forget I even have it in my front hip pocket because it's so light and concealable for me. I can load up powder puff rounds for it and I can load up strong self defense rounds with hollow points as well. I personally think a 38 Special revolver is one of the best ways to go for a carry gun.

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I've seen a case in which a .45 Hydra-Shok zipped around the outside of the skull.

Speaking of Hydra-Shoks, two of the inadequately penetrating .380 JHPs were those. The other was a Golden Saber from a Lorcin. I'd have to look up what the Federals came out of - and I have a lot to do today, so I doubt that's going to happen.

Here's the deal with all of these thread: The point is to pick a tool that makes you feel comfortable it'll work as needed in virtually every situation where you might need it. We don't know what you're doing or what you need - we're just a bunch of old guys jawing over coffee. You're the only one whose opinion matters.

Is the .380 cartridge underpowered? Depends on why you need it.
I had a .380 Hydra Shok in my training props that expanded like it should. A Reserve Police Officer was doing something he should not have been doing and shot himself in the thigh with his Walther PPK. Fortunate for him the bullet did not strike the Femoral artery. I can't find the projectile. If it turns up I will take and post a pic.
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I feel like every time I read a .380 argument, the bigger counter-point is that it wont stop the 300 lb man hopped up on PCP.

For me, the reality is that my concealed 380 is for the unexpected situation. It's for the situation that a guy that decides to rob a convenience store when I happened to want to buy a pint of ice cream. And I feel confident that if that situation were to happen it doesn't matter if I'm sending a 22 short or a .500 at the perpetrator, he will be running(because he didn't expect his life to be in jeopardy when he decided hold up the convenience store). If I knew a guy was out to kill me, and would be breaking in to my home to do it, it would be a different situation, but I'm pretty sure I don't have any enemies like that.

More stopping power is great if there is a specific someone that needs to be STOPPED. But for the majority of situations, the mere sight of a gun is going to be enough to tell a perpetrator that the situation is not what they planned for, and they want want to alive anywhere but here.
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When I was in my 20's I was much thinner and stronger, a 1911 in 45acp was my choice to carry. I'm nearing 60 now and I'd rather not have my pants sagging and or bulging. My wife never minded me having my gun along for the ride as long as she could not see it. She used to complain when I wore my fixed blade knife to the store with her because it stood out on my belt.
My LCP go's un-noticed... in fact she asked me two months after I bought it when I was going to start packing that new gun I bought. I had been carrying it since the day after I brought it home. She has rarely said a word since then about it. Now that is effective.
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In 1977 I went whitetail deer hunting for the first time with a handgun. My choice for 50 yards and under was a Ruger Blackhawk Bicentennial model 357 Magnum with 6.5-inch barrel. Ammunition was Remington 158-grain JHP 357 Magnum. To make a long story less long . . . A whitetail buck meandered while grazing. Completely unaware of me, I sat up and fired at three yards. Point of impact was right side cervical vertabrae about four inches below the skull. Whitetail dropped like a stone - then got up! My second shot, again, at about three yards missed everything. I was astonished that the animal got up with no apparent ill effects. Third shot was a thoracic lung shot about two inches rear of its right scapula. Animal dropped and struggled to get up. Final shot was a brain shot.

During butchery I found the neck bullet and the one in lungs. Neck shot cracked two vertabrae without penetrating either. Bullet was literally flattened to a nearly perfect squashed mushroom one inch in diameter. Bullet was intact otherwise. Penetration was about two inches.

Lung shot was also flattened penetrating rib cage into the right lung less than three inches and losing apparently little weight.

Live weight of this animal was not more than 150 pounds.
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A friend who was a uniformed LEO was shot high in his right thigh during an arrest. He chased the shooter down three floors worth of fire escape, then about 40 yards until his takedown. After the shooter was taken away, Bob noticed he had been shot. He immediately collapsed. I treated the wound a couple of times. It appeared to be from some sort of 38. Tissue damage was limited to muscle; recovery was complete. At the time Bob was 70 inches in height, weighing 220 pounds. He was built like a refrigerator.
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From these two incidents what appears to be significant is that the whitetail did not understand it had been shot. And not understanding, it reacted as it would to any pain. The LEO, who was unaware he had been shot, reacted as did the whitetail (as best it could) - that is, he did what he intended to do. He collapsed only after realizing he had been shot.

The Remington cup-and-core 158-grain JHP proved to be an unsatisfactory penetrator at very close to its nominal muzzle velocity. Shooting two-to-three inch barreled 357s using lighter bullets would make me uneasy - despite gelatin tests and milk jug tests and pine board tests, et al. I'm beginning to lean toward 357 Magnum 158-grain JSPs. Lower than nominal muzzle velocity coupled with a bullet that expands more slowly than the JHP version. Compared with danger from myriad missed shots, bullets over-penetrating seems a minor issue.

When I consider carrying a 380 ACP as a primary EDC - even just for a trip to the store . . .
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Folks want the bullet that expands the most, but most do not recognize that adequate penetration is paramount and top priority! Without that, nothing works well! Yes, over penetration can and does happen, but in my experience not nearly as often as inadequate pentration. There is a lot to be said for a flat nosed semi wadcutter shaped bullet.

Of course, nothing works well unless the bullet strikes a primary target, and even when it does, it can take 15 or more seconds before the target realizes that it's dead! The target can shoot off lots of rounds in 15 seconds!! There is just flat no telling what will happen when a target is stuck by a bullet. That's why it is my fervent intention that there will be bullets to follow hard on the heels of my first shot. Bullets that strike a body less than an inch apart can have very different results, depending on what each of them must negotiate along the way through. And, yes, I want them to hit where I intend for them to hit for the best possible outcome.

But I want every cartridge loaded into my gun to go bang in its turn, and feed when it is supposed to feed and eject when it is supposed to eject if the gun is a semi auto. In other words, I intend to carry a gun that works!! Then I want the bullet to go deep into the target, regardless of what ever it may strike along the way to where those vital parts are found. And frankly, I do not care if that bullet eventually exits on the other side. I care very much if the bullet does not strike my target at all!!! Those are the dangerous ones that bring the most liability! Not that a through and through cannot cause serious damage, but generally nothing at all like a bullet that has not passed through something before it strikes. All shootings are in a sense **** shoots! All we can do is the best we can do as long as we can do it and hope for the best. We must have good equipment, good training won't hurt a thing, and a quality bullet is a plus. But any bullet from any gun that penetrates sufficiently and strikes something important for continued bodily function will eventually do it's job. Sometimes instantly, and sometimes after the fact. There are NO guarantees! There are too many variables involved. But we can still tilt the odds in our favor. That's another story, but I believe what I have stated above is a fairly correct assessment of the situation. At least, it is for me personally. You take it for what it might be worth.
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I've got a few more that I could add to the pile, but this picture well illustrates my journey to the .380.

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There are numerous .380 self defense rounds that are more than adequate. When I carry my .380 I use the Corbon Pow'RBall round which is a really nasty round. Most of the time I have my Shield with me but I do have a Bodyguard and Sig P238 that I sometimes carry. Any gun is better than none at all. I've seen a number of studies that concluded that the differences between round effectiveness isn't all that great and of course it depends upon placement more than anything else. For home self defense, I wouldn't use by Colt 45 or my S&W .357s, I would just grab my AR15 and be done with it. Regards, Elliot45
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Old 03-17-2017, 12:17 PM
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The key to self defense with a mousegun is to avoid intermediate barriers or heavy clothing when you target an adversary. In other words, aim for the face or throat. In my old job we referred to .22s, 32s, and .380s as "eye guns." I use a sheet of 8.5"X11" paper as a target and practice no further than 5 yards away. I also use the largest available FMJ bullet and carry a spare magazine hidden in a small pocketknife pouch. This is a good option for when you're alone and need to break contact...
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:36 PM
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For home self defense, I wouldn't use by Colt 45 or my S&W .357s, I would just grab my AR15 and be done with it. Regards, Elliot45
lol, do you have neighbors next to you? I think I would only pull my AR out of the safe for home defense that required mob control.AR's sure are the difference-makers!, but for most use I would be too worried about hitting innocents next door. Generally I just take my carry gun out of my pocket when I get home and set it on the table next to me for home protection, it's sort of goes wherever I go in the house. It's a 38 + p LCR.
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I've got a few more that I could add to the pile, but this picture well illustrates my journey to the .380.

WOW...with all those in your pockets, where do you keep your keys and spare change.....
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:51 PM
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For home self defense, I wouldn't use by Colt 45 or my S&W .357s, I would just grab my AR15 and be done with it. Regards, Elliot45
AR15? I wouldn't rely on that mouse gun for home defense. Don't you know you need at least a 308 or 30-06. A 458 Winchester Magnum would be my personal pick
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:06 AM
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lol, do you have neighbors next to you? I think I would only pull my AR out of the safe for home defense that required mob control.AR's sure are the difference-makers!, but for most use I would be too worried about hitting innocents next door. Generally I just take my carry gun out of my pocket when I get home and set it on the table next to me for home protection, it's sort of goes wherever I go in the house. It's a 38 + p LCR.
Actually a little 55gr bullet (even one traveling at twice the speed of a handgun bullet) doesn't have the mass to penetrate walls, doors and windows like you would think. A 5.56 will penetrate just about the same as a 9mm through drywall.
The biggest issue with an AR for home defense is how bulky it is. Yes, compared to a rifle the AR carbine platform is light and short, but is it short enough to use while struggling with someone or at "bad breath" distances?
A pistol can effectively be used from distances of 0' out to 50' (that pretty much covers any possible use inside most houses unless you have an indoor bowling alley), while a long gun can not really be considered useful any closer than 3'. For me, the 3' around me is very critical space that needs defending more than any other space in the house.

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I've been a supporter of carrying a .380. Here an article from last week were a ruger lcp didn't do a great job of convincing the BG he had a better place to be.

Son details saving mother in Sidney home invasion - Portland Press Herald

I found another article that said the BG was in intensive care, so shot placement was probably good.
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I've been a supporter of carrying a .380. Here an article from last week were a ruger lcp didn't do a great job of convincing the BG he had a better place to be.

Son details saving mother in Sidney home invasion - Portland Press Herald

I found another article that said the BG was in intensive care, so shot placement was probably good.
I'm a supported of carrying a .380 as well. In fact, the only time I would feel uncomfortable carrying one is when I have to go into an area of the city that is know to have dogs roaming the streets. I take a glock 23 at those times.
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Well lets see here.....I've used the 9mm Luger in ball, HP, +P, +P+ and
the .357 Sig, Super 38 and the .380, also known as the 9mm Kutz, er short.


My very last pick would be the 9mm Short. Although I own several 380s
I mainly use them for training women & children in the operation of semi-autos pistols.


I do not and would not, depend solely on one to bring my hide back to the ranch.

With all the small/compact pistols out there, there is no point in 'Not Using Enough Gun' .




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When a small .380acp pistol is the only choice due to dress mode:
** practice facial and crotch (sic?) shots.
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I've been a supporter of carrying a .380. Here an article from last week were a ruger lcp didn't do a great job of convincing the BG he had a better place to be.

Son details saving mother in Sidney home invasion - Portland Press Herald

I found another article that said the BG was in intensive care, so shot placement was probably good.
It appears only one shot was fired and that it at the very least "took the fight out of him". I think the most important lesson to be learned from this incident is the importance of integrated close-quarter defense skills.

Sidney Home Invasion Leaves Two Hospitalized | WABI TV5

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guess when all cops carried were 38's they didn't kill anyone !!
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Go and view tnoutdoors9 video review of that same round!
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Nominally the best .380 ever made was the CZ83. Low recoil, fixed barrel, excellent trigger, and very accurate. It's the best of the class in .380s. I carry mine with no issues, it will get the job done. I also have a S&W 6904 I carry, and love it too.


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Not a big fan on .380 due to the cost of the loaded ammo and it's scarcity. While a lot of pistols chambered in it are attractive and compact, I am finding more and more 9MM pistols to be going in that same direction. The ballistics on a .380 are lacking as compared to a .38 spl+P and 9mm as well, so I would say no for me.
Cost of loaded ammo? Jeez I didn't know $0.17 a round shipped was expensive. Seems to be only slightly higher than 9mm at $0.16 a round shipped currently
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Cost of loaded ammo? Jeez I didn't know $0.17 a round shipped was expensive. Seems to be only slightly higher than 9mm at $0.16 a round shipped currently

Where are you finding .380 Auto for $0.17 per round shipped? My last order cost over $0.20 per round shipped.
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Where are you finding .380 Auto for $0.17 per round shipped? My last order cost over $0.20 per round shipped.
Academy sports. Have it on sale about a week per month. 200 rounds for $35 shipped steel case

They also have brass cased for $11.99 a box and free shipping over $25 on sale about once a month
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Academy sports. Have it on sale about a week per month. 200 rounds for $35 shipped steel case

They also have brass cased for $11.99 a box and free shipping over $25 on sale about once a month


Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, they won't ship it to my state.
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This may be a personal choice thing to many people but I'd like to look at this purely from stopping power. Aside from accuracy placement, is the .380 a good carry round? Balistic wise I am looking at 900-1,000 fps but only around 250-275 fpe. The way I see it is if you can't stop a 6'3" 300 lb. bad guy hiped up on drugs without trying to put 6-7 rounds in him isn't a round then ineffective in those first critical seconds?
I M H O the round works well. But if it dosnt have your faith dont buy it. Keep in mind the stats still state that most civilians using a firearm for deffensive only get one maybe two rounds off max. Not to put this into caliber way also keep in mind the .22 round still remains the most deadly round of all. Do most of us carry a .22 ? Most likely no .
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When did we become infested with 6'-3" 300LB drugged up attackers????
Don't shoot....just run away from them!
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I worked a shooting where a guy shot through the door at a couple of cops there to serve an arrest warrant. They beat feet back to the car and the seige began. I responded as a hostage negotiator and spent a couple hours bullhorning at the house with no response, and finally the SWAT boys booted the door.


The guy was dead inside. (Hostage negotiators spend a lot of time talking to empty houses and dead people) He had stuck his Bryco .380 under his chin and pulled the trigger, probably right after he shot through the door.

He had a hole under his chin and a same-sized hole in the top of his head. I poked around and found a dent in the ceiling and a mostly pristine FMJ sitting upright on the window sill. Skulls are tough and full of stuff, but that little bullet plowed merrily through it all with a little bit of steam to spare.

I've been the lead investigator on a hundred or so shootings, and a spear-carrier on a couple hundred more. In all of those, I never had one where the bullet-catcher continued the behavior that caused him/her to receive bullets. Not one, regardless of caliber. I'm sure it has happened, but I suspect it is pretty rare.

I love to obsess over calibers, ammo, and hypothetical situations like everyone else here. But my experience has taught me caliber and ammo type are the least important factors in a shooting. I suspect a gun full of blanks would work in 90% of self defense situations.

That said, I don't carry a gun full of blanks. Mostly I carry either a .32 Pocket Hammerless or a 1940s era Detective Special, because I like them and have faith in them.

So, to the OP's actual question - no, the .380 isn't under powered.
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......n o...... in a word. I would not trust my life to it.

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