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Looking at two different ends of the spectrum quick follow up shots and POWER which would you rather have for a daily carry
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Daily Carry..... Neither
If I could only own one gun...... 22lr.
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If I could only own one gun...... 22lr.
+1, with my Ruger 22/45 I could quadruple tap in the time it would take me to get back on target w/ 500.



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If forced to choose, a .22lr. I'm not insecure enough to carry or own a .500.
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Silly choices. I chose .22 simply because it comes in guns that I could actually carry in all conditions at all times, unlike the .500.
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Of the two I chose 22LR because that was the two choices. In reality I carry a Sig P228 9mm with 16 rounds.
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Can't CC my S&W 500 magnum....
.22 ? what a choice, rather have my PPK 380 clone.
About the same size and "will go through a window like a brick!"
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22LR is cheaper, more readily available and I can carry more ammo in the same amount of space. One of my daily carries (ok, my daily carry around the house, in the woods, etc) is a Single Six, only with the magnum cylinder. During deer season, I swap it out but the rest of the year that's what I always have with me.
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Truly odd selection, like Crosman BB pistol versus .454 Casull.

The .500 would be insane. Ever seen what that round will do to a squirrel?
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You can actually CC a 500 quite easily...lol


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Truly odd selection, like Crosman BB pistol versus .454 Casull.

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500 Now you see it, now you do not. The 4" is easy to CCW, the 2 3/4 even more so, but if you add two speedloaders, you need a belt and suspenders. Be Safe
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I'd get a pair of 317s, load them with CCI Velocitors. How many bad guys are going to shrug off 16 rounds, even if they're .22s?
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You can actually CC a 500 quite easily...lol


Is that a .500 in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?
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If forced to choose, a .22lr. I'm not insecure enough to carry or own a .500.
So what you're really saying is your insecure, but not to the extent you'd CCW a 500 S&W. Also, what do insecurities have to do with owning a 500?

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I was wondering that too Dr. Lou?????
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You can actually CC a 500 quite easily...lol
Let's see you SIT DOWN with the 500 stuffed in there
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Boy, 2 really unattractive choices there. I guess I'd take the 500 in a short barrel and use some 500 Special loads.
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The only time I've seen a S&W 500 as a CCW was on an episode of the TV show "Bones".

The forensic doctor finds a bad guy in her home and pulls a 4" 500 out of her purse and points it at him. Didn't shoot if I remember right.

Kind of heavy as a purse gun, I would think. But it sure would be intimidating.
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Given the two extremes, I'd EDC my .22LR Model 63 Kit Gun, loaded with a mix of high velocity HP and SP for my urban-rural venue. I might feel different if I had Griz wandering through my back yard.
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You can actually CC a 500 quite easily...lol


So the 2 3/4" is still concealed???

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.22 would be a little cheaper to practice with, so I'll go with that one.
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I don't know how serious this thread is...but if you're truly trying to decide between the 2, or ANY choices on daily carry, one can't truly offer an opinion until certain other factors are known.

Since you're even asking the question in the first place, I'll go ahead and jump to the conclusion that you're large enough to carry (and conceal?) the .500, and capable of shooting it with some degree of proficiency.

So, with that out of the way...where will you be carrying this? I mean, are you an urban-dweller, just going about a daily routine of commute, work, lunch, work, retail shop, restaurant, home, etc? If so, I can't really imagine why you'd want to consider the .500. If for no other reason, over-penetration would be a major concern, I would think. So...given only those 2 choices, in that situation I'd vote for .22. However, a better choice in this instance (given that size and recoil must not be an issue!) would be...almost anything! A quality .380, 9mm, .40, 10mm, .45, .38, .357, .44, etc...would surely fit the bill.

If, on the other hand, you experience daily forays into the wilderness, and have a possibility of running across bear or other large dangerous critters...then I could understand the .500. Though I'm not sure, were this the case, why you'd be toying with the notion of a .22. Unless you have a coworker/partner, and the .22 is to "kneecap" them, to keep the bear occupied while you beat feet!

And if your daily travels have you coming & going back and forth from urban to rural, where the threat could range the gamut...I'd still say go with something more of a .40, 10mm, .45, .357, .41 or .44. For instance, if I were looking for a CC piece that would serve me well if there was a chance of a bear encounter, I'd consider something along the lines of a 329PD.

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By the time it takes for the second shot from the 500 I could have emptied the 22 magazine all into the target.
Yep try hiding that 500 on your body. I guarantee you will know you have that gun on you. So will your hand and arm when you shoot it.
Hickok45 who usually fires any gun a bunch of times in his show and tell videos only shot two rounds from the 500. That should tell how much of a hand cannon that 500 is.
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Everyone has an opinion and it is a YMMV thing but I cannot even think of a reason to own a .500 S&W except and unless you use it as a hunting gun for really big game or just because it has a cool factor. I owned a .416 Rigby for both of those reasons until I tore my rotator cuff. Didn't keep the .416 after that.

For self defense, the .22 beats the .500 every time. Faster to get into play, easier to shoot, easy to punch a bunch of small holes in the perpetrator without missing, etc.

The sole reason a .500 is useful for self defense is because no matter what happens after the first round goes off everyone will be shock, anyway.

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The only time I've seen a S&W 500 as a CCW was on an episode of the TV show "Bones".

The forensic doctor finds a bad guy in her home and pulls a 4" 500 out of her purse and points it at him. Didn't shoot if I remember right.
There's an episode where Booth and Dr. Brennan are cornered by a bad guy (inside a building). Booth loses his gun and he takes Brennan's .500 S&W and kills the bad guy by shooting him through a reinforced steel fire door. Funny, neither Booth or the Dr. were deaf after the shooting......
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It's a sucky choice either way.

However, I'd take the .22 LR, because:

1) I can put 9 or 10 rounds in the A zone at 10-12 yards with a semi-auto pistol like the Beretta Model 70 or a 1911 with a .22LR conversion kit in the same time it would take to put 2 rounds of .500 S&W on target;

2) I could afford to practice a lot more with .22 LR;

3) I would actually conceal carry a .22 LR with me from the time I get up to the time I go to bed in comfort, while I could not do the same with anything shooting the .500 S&W, meaning the .500 S&W would get left home and be totally useless if a need to use it arose.
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Let's see you SIT DOWN with the 500 stuffed in there
Exactly!

Not a fan of appendix carry; definitely not a fan of testicular carry.

First rule of firerearm safety: Dont point a firearm at anything you don't wish to kill or destroy. Guess there's nothing important down there to kill or destroy.

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I am only 6'0", I can conceal a N frame 4" in a good high rise holster, the 4" 500 conceals just as well in a Black Hills Leather holster. The 2 3/4" has 1" less barrel concealment is the same. Loaded with 350 XTP it would be a formidable self- Defense weapon. My wife did carry the 4" while fishing in Alaska, just in case, but bear spray is still a better choice. Yes, she does shoot it well, but a bear's head coming at you at speed, moving up and down would not be an easy target to hit. As for recoil, I have found the shorter barrels have Less recoil, since most of the powder is in a fireball at the end of the barrel. Every day carry?? You could, as stated above many times, do not miss!, follow up shots would not be as quick as a 22, not counting the concussion, flash, and recoil, in enclosed space!!!! I use plugs and electronic when shooting it on my range, you may have some auditory exclusion in a true fight or flight situation, I hope I never have the need to find out. I agree that any of the other calibers would be a better choice based on the fact that they are centerfire. Be Safe,
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Exactly!

Not a fan of appendix carry; definitely not a fan of testicular carry.

First rule of firerearm safety: Dont point a firearm at anything you don't wish to kill or destroy. Guess there's nothing important down there to kill or destroy.
I would like to lie...

But reality is....my 500 is about 15" long.... nothing I have hangs that low...
...so technically...its not pointed at anything important...lol
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Sorry but let's see a pic sitting down.
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The muzzle flash alone of that .500 would be enough to char everything from your knees to your groin.

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But reality is....my 500 is about 15" long.... nothing I have hangs that low...
...so technically...its not pointed at anything important...lol
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Guess you can down load a 500 to "super light" ......"500 mighty special"
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I'd definately take the .22 but only in a revolver. With the quality of ammo being manufactured today I don't want to have to cycle an auto when it fails to fire, just pull the trigger again. The question is why wound anyone have to make a choice between these two, there are so many other great guns out there for CCW.
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the 500 is good for hunting dangerous game that is hard to kill. Big bears come to mind. Not good at all as a defense gun as it recoils way too hard and penetrates way too deep.
I once read an article where the author was interviewing a trauma surgeon and the surgeon told him his worst nightmare was getting a gunshot victim with multiple fmj wounds vs the most effective expanding bullets. He stated that the multiple wound channels, although much smaller and individually not necessarily lethal in comparison to the single devastating wound by the HP, the odds were that the victim would bleed out before the bleeding could be stopped during initial first aid . It's hard to tend to 10 small wounds at once vs a single large wound.
Keeping that in mind, any 10 shot .22 LR pistol with the right ammo can be a very deadly instrument in the right hands. I can at 15 feet put 10 individual wound channels in a guy in about 2 seconds or less. The recoil is so negligible I could place them in his face or neck just as easily as his chest. Show me anyone that can walk away from 5 or 6 .22LR to the face.. That in combination to the other 5 to the chest and you have a dead man every time.
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I would like to bring a little reality to this discussion. If one chooses to carry, one should select a weapon, caliber, and holster that they can wear, draw and use comfortably. They should practiced drawing and dry firing often. They should practice at a range on a variety of scenarios, until they have instilled muscle memory into their body. Punching holes in paper targets from a ready position does nothing to prepare one for a real life and death confrontation. While it is easy to say one can put 10 rounds in the target in two seconds, statistics prove that most gunfights produce many more misses than hits, even for well-trained Leo's. A gun should be the last means of defense, especially for civilians. For the sake of argument, assume one did manage win the fight. They must then be able to articulate the reason and the sequence of events. "Well your honor, I felt threatened by (include you reason here) so I pulled put my 22lr and shot the person TEN times"....?
Almost every expert agrees that a concealed weapon should be the most powerful and reliable package one is capable with. YOU ARE GETTING YOUR LIFE ON IT!


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I would like to bring a little reality to this discussion. If one chooses to carry, one should select a weapon, caliber, and holster that they can wear, draw and use comfortably. They should practiced drawing and dry firing often. They should practice at a range on a variety of scenarios, until they have instilled muscle memory into their body. Punching holes in paper targets from a ready position does nothing to prepare one for a real life and death confrontation. While it is easy to say one can put 10 rounds in the target in two seconds, statistics prove that most gunfights produce many more misses than hits, even for well-trained LEO's. A gun should be the last means of defense, especially for civilians. For the sake of argument, assume one did manage win the fight. They must then be able to articulate the reason and the sequence of events. "Well your honor, I felt threatened by (include you reason here) so I pulled put my 22lr and shot the person TEN times"....?
Almost every expert agrees that a concealed weapon should be the most powerful and reliable package one is capable with. YOU ARE BETTING YOUR LIFE ON IT!


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.22lr.....ONE well placed shot is all you need...........
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.22lr.....ONE well placed shot is all you need...........
Not if you hunt for hog daily...or are in bear infested woods....carrying a 22...Will just get you dead.
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.22lr.....ONE well placed shot is all you need...........
Until that one well placed shot fails to fire
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Good luck with the "one well-placed shot" theory. The real world is a lot different than gun fights in movies and games. You will be lucky if you don't shoot yourself while trying to dodge and draw before the bad guy shoots you. Do some on-line research of police involved shooting videos. The police are trained and expecting the worst. Yet some miss and lose. One will never know how they react until they have been in military combat or police involved gunfights.

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^I agree wholeheartedly. This OK Corral​ mentality gets my goat. The BG does not care who he shoots( kids, grandmother, etc.) The moment the SHTF, besides marking your underwear, hopefully you ate trying to find cover before you engage. You really do not want to shoot yourself or a friendly.

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I will just leave this here


A man claimed he stood his ground with a warning shot. A judge revoked his carry permit.


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