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Old 04-06-2017, 11:05 PM
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I slip an LCP in my pants pocket when I get dressed in the morning and it stays there unnoticed like my wallet till I go to bed. Really not much to ponder or otherwise justify beyond that.

I'm in and out of the house a lot during the day. Why would I bother to disarm myself every time I enter the house? All that would accomplish is something else to forget when I walk out the house again. Other than talking to you fine folks on the subject, the fact that I'm carrying really doesn't cross my mind through the day while out and about or snoozing on the couch.

That said, I've seen plenty of discussion from people who think carrying a gun inside the home is like suffering some type of DEFCON alert paranoid condition. If carrying a gun puts them at such unease then they probably shouldn't.
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CCW 24X7 except in the shower and the weapon is right outside the shower.
In bed weapon in within reach next to bed head board.

I am old, slow, with a terminal disease. And now my gun hand is impaired.
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Old 04-07-2017, 08:26 AM
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It wouldn't have ended differently, I still would have left the situation alone, no one was yelling at me. It was a situation where I would have felt better if I was armed just in case I was engaged into something I wanted no part of. My best weapon is my brain not my gun. My gun just gives me a personal feeling of comfort when I'm out in the world for some odd reason. Maybe I've just become use to having it on me. Funny thing is when I was first issued didn't carry for the first 6 months. After I started I became use to it like putting on my shoes. I'm not completely dressed until I have my sidearm, knife, flashlight. I'm not John Rambo just a normal guy living in a really screwed up world. I highly suggest to anyone that has a license to carry to make sure you know what you're getting into if you ever have to use your sidearm. The way laws are now days you better be able to prove that your life was very much in danger before you pull that handle. Just my useless 2 cents, hope it answered your question.
You did answer, and I'm glad it was honest and not the more humorous answer that you put in your follow up post.

I guess I was looking for you to answer as you did, if only to reinforce into this thread that avoiding confrontation is always the best defense, whether you are armed or not. We are in agreement.
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:58 AM
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I don't understand the relationship between national reciprocity and a Utah license. Would appreciate an explanation from anyone who does.

Been thinking on this. Maybe dlombard means if there were national reciprocity, and he had a Utah non-resident permit, then California, his state of residence, would have to recognize his Utah permit, even if California continued to refuse to issue him a permit...
California has counties where you can obtain a permit without having to supply proof that your life is currently in danger (i.e., an active death threat in a restraining order), but Los Angeles isn't one of them. The one way you are going to CCW permit from the LAPD here is either being well connected/wealthy, active-duty/reserve/retired LEO or you've got a court order against someone who's either tried to kill you or has made credible threats as such. If national reciprocity becomes a thing, then you don't have to be warned you might be killed by someone specific in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights to carry all the time.

I DON'T know of anyone trying to kill me now, and I hope I never do. That doesn't mean I can't/won't be the victim of a crime. I HAVE been mugged before and I was pretty much convinced from the moment they got the drop on me I was going to die that night. I'm never letting myself be caught off guard so badly like that ever again. That was stupid on my part and I'm thankful that 12 years later, I've been able to avoid a situation like that so far. But if I ever had to deal with someone trying to come after me with a weapon, and I'm unarmed and/or outnumbered, then what?

Most people living in L.A. county are on their own.
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Old 04-13-2017, 12:36 PM
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I live across the street from a state police barracks. A few years ago, someone came up into my driveway, in broad daylight, and stole a 5 gallon can of gasoline from in front of my garage (which faces the barracks.). Yesterday, someone came to my house (also broad daylight) while no one was here, opened the front door, and left something on my living room floor. When we returned home, we did a quick search of the house, and then went to the local pd to report the incident. It's a rural community, very low crime rate, etc. But we are 8 miles from a town where the heroin epidemic is nearly out of control, and there are a massive amount of break ins all around the area. Things everywhere are getting pretty sketchy these days.....do I carry at home? I do NOW!
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:34 AM
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Yesterday, someone came to my house (also broad daylight) while no one was here, opened the front door, and left something on my living room floor.
You might also want to start locking that front door, partner.
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There was a time when I didn't really see a need, but now pretty much always have a lightweight snub as well as a tactical folder on me.

There's an average of of 3.7 million household burglaries each year with a family member being present during the burglary 28% of the time and experiencing some form of violent victimization 7% of the time.

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Old 04-14-2017, 07:50 PM
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I feel like people's perception of "home invasion" doesn't synch up with statistical reality.

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*On average, household members became victims of violent crimes in about 266,560 burglaries annually. Offenders known to their victims accounted for 65% of these burglaries; strangers accounted for 28%.
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*In nonviolent burglaries, household members knew the offender in 30% of the burglaries taking place while someone was home; the offender was a stranger in 24%. The identity of the offender was unknown in 46% of burglaries.
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*Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% of all households violently burglarized while someone was home faced an offender armed with a firearm.
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*On average, household members became victims of violent crimes in about 266,560 burglaries annually. Offenders known to their victims accounted for 65% of these burglaries; strangers accounted for 28%.
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Households with a white head of household were somewhat less likely than those with a black head of household to experience a burglary while a household member was present. Asian and Pacific Islander head of households were the least likely to be present during a burglary.

Households with a head of household ages 12 to 19 had the
highest rates of burglary; ages 65 or older had the lowest
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Household members living in mobile homes (32 per 1,000 households) were more likely than those living in any other type of housing to experience a burglary while no one was home, with one exception hotels, motels, and rooming houses.
Households living in mobile homes were equally likely as those
staying in a hotel, motel, or rooming house to experience a
burglary while no one was present (table 4).

Households residing in houses or apartment complexes (9 per
1,000 households) were somewhat less likely than those living
in mobile homes (11 per 1,000 households) to be burglarized
while someone was home.
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Residents present during a burglary were equally likely to be victimized by an intimate partner (current or former) as they were by a stranger
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Victims in violent burglaries were equally likely to report knowing the offender in some manner in an attempted forcible burglary as they were to report the offender as a stranger.
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:57 AM
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You're considered a pretty good hitter if you can get on base only 20% of the time you're at bat. That's what perspective does to statistics.

If you're killed inside of that 1% chance of a lethal encounter with a complete stranger, does not being in the other 99% chance bring you back to life after the fact?
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Fences, dogs, and guns. My wife has not complained about any of them, well sometimes the dogs.
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Well let's see here,


Wallet, keys, pocket knife, money clip, pocket pistol..... Just the everyday stuff.




Oh yeah, what's in my pockets....Is my business and mine alone.




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At home or away... good to go.

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Some of you may remember this thread of mine from just about a year ago. "Elderly Man Defends Self in Home Invasion" Updated 4/22/2016.

This man lived in a fairly nice part of town, catercorner from a high end restaurant, lots of lighting and not a high crime area. He was older, about 80, if I remember correctly. Fortunately he was carrying even though he was at home, minding his own business.

I realize that he may have made some mistakes, but he is still alive.

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Sadly this man who lived near me isn't .. Normal man reportedly kidnapped dies | WJBC AM 1230

Home invasions can turn deadly very quickly .. carrying at home in todays world should not be taken lightly and there is a need for one to protect themselves in their own homes !!

It has been drummed into our heads that the police are here to protect you !! But the average arrival time of a police officer on a call is almost always 10 minutes or longer ..

Where I live in the country it would take even longer if the sheriff was on the other side of the county .. probably closer to 20 minutes to get here unless they would happen by chance to be closer .. in town even 10 minutes would be fast ..

Are you willing to be unprotected for that long if a Perp were to break into your home .. would your neighbors notice something out of place today .. tomorrow .. next week ?? do you talk to someone everyday that would call police if they couldn't get ahold of you .. would they come to your home to see if you were ok if they couldn't contact you within a few hours ??

If you were tied up would someone check on you before you might die ??

Just something to think about ..

Carrying at home doesn't mean something will happen or that you even think that something will happen .. Carrying at home means YOUR PREPARED IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN !!
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I live in a very friendly rural area, almost a Mayberry.


But over the last few days and nites, we have had armed fugitives on the loose.
I'd say everyone is carrying at home and when out and about.


It seems like a dangerous world everywhere ya go now in days.


As the ol saying goes, "Your on your own!"


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I feel like people's perception of "home invasion" doesn't synch up with statistical reality.
Violent crime overall has decreased over the years. That being said, statistics like you posted, don't really tell the whole story. The older we get or the weaker we are makes our likelihood of being targets of crime increase. There is also the fact that living in certain areas make us more likely to be targets. Living in a community where illegal drug use is rampant also contributes to the possibility that we will be a statistic. If we are on prescribed pain medication, we likely will be considered prey. I doubt that my house will catch on fire. Statistically the risk is low, but I have several fire extinguishers.
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It's easy for them to complain about in-house carry and say your "hobby" is excessive when nothing has happened. They take the past and project it to the future with the same results. Ignoring that that may change; denial most likely. It's like the power ball winner. Somebody has to be 100% and the rest 0%. You don't know until it happens. You have to be prepared for either outcome. Home defense is the same. If there is an incident, things will change in a hurry. If not then that individual is too dumb to live with and should be fired.
I had a noise in the night I couldn't identify so I grabbed my gun and discovered it was my wife who returned to the bedroom at the EXACT same time I figured it out so my gun facing the door way, got pointed at her for a millisecond before I moved it and she freaked. We had a very troublesome couple of days and some nasty conversation about the incident. She almost got fired for her responses and emotional thinking in which she was not listening to me nor getting what I was saying about her requests. I refused to put our house in danger do to her unreasonable requests. She has a loaded gun on her side of the bed and carries too. I mentioned this to my sister and one brother. Naturally my sister sided with my wife and my brother side with me and told my sister she was wrong. My sister is not a gun girl. Once she calmed down, we were able to get it resolved.

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Old 04-20-2017, 01:46 AM
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I'm thinking that one of these days, I will try to share this link:

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It BASICALLY said everything I said (and what many of you have said also) but it's not me as the one saying it. Which sometimes helps. The problem is, of course, how to present it. If a person is sufficiently close-minded enough, it can seem that there can be no "right way" to broach a subject.
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Fortunately my wife is also LEOSA qualified.
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Keep in mind that a home invader's top priority upon entry is to gain control of the occupants. They expect people to be home and know that many have firearms. They are counting on the element of surprise, plus fear. Is is unlikely that you will be able to get to a stored weapon unless it is within arms reach. If you are comfortable with the improbability of being a victim, don't carry. I just don't take mine off when I get home. My wife and kids are used to it. When guests come over I don't carry exposed.
There is great value in investing in strong doors and locking hardware. If they hit the door, you want it to make noise - not splinters. An early warning system if you will. Gives you time to react and take defensive measures. Our doors are solid and the deadbolts are very robust. Not saying that they can't be defeated, but it will take numerous hard and heavy hits to bust in.

In my situation, there is a ground floor and a basement recreation / television room and bath. I don't know where I might find myself if an intrusion was attempted during the day or before bedtime. On the other hand, I think the likelihood of a home invasion in my current residence is generally low to very low. We also have a dog with hearing like NORAD's radar. He will go into his deep serious bark and growl at the first hint of strangers approaching or unusual sounds in the night. When we hear that serious bark, we take it seriously.

So far, I've kept my primary hand-cannon in my bedroom about 4 feet from my sleeping station. My thought is that between the noise created by the door being hit and the mutt going off, I will have ample warning and will have time to retrieve Roscoe and call 9-1-1 to at least get them moving in our general direction. And no, Roscoe isn't the dog's name.
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It's easy for them to complain about in-house carry and say your "hobby" is excessive when nothing has happened. They take the past and project it to the future with the same results. Ignoring that that may change; denial most likely. It's like the power ball winner. Somebody has to be 100% and the rest 0%. You don't know until it happens. You have to be prepared for either outcome. Home defense is the same. If there is an incident, things will change in a hurry. If not then that individual is too dumb to live with and should be fired.
I had a noise in the night I couldn't identify so I grabbed my gun and discovered it was my wife who returned to the bedroom at the EXACT same time I figured it out so my gun facing the door way, got pointed at her for a millisecond before I moved it and she freaked. We had a very troublesome couple of days and some nasty conversation about the incident. She almost got fired for her responses and emotional thinking in which she was not listening to me nor getting what I was saying about her requests. I refused to put our house in danger do to her unreasonable requests. She has a loaded gun on her side of the bed and carries too. I mentioned this to my sister and one brother. Naturally my sister sided with my wife and my brother side with me and told my sister she was wrong. My sister is not a gun girl. Once she calmed down, we were able to get it resolved.
Maybe the first thing you could have done is check for your wife's presence in bed before anything else?
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Violent crime overall has decreased over the years. That being said, statistics like you posted, don't really tell the whole story.
Actually, I didn't post them. I pulled them out of X's to make a point about how the SD community portrays inside-the-home incidents and markets itself. And frankly, the absurdity thereof.

Here--this is from X and dlombard both. Check out this goofy picture:



They're appealing to a certain market segment that spends money on these things--the home ninja. They portray a horde of marauders, coming for the women. Then they use false notions of machismo to sell the product, whether it's a magazine or a video or a "class".

Take that article, for instance. The third sentence dives right into "rape". And just look at the cooky name collectively invented for the crime: a home "invasion".

Unfortunately, their marketing bleeds through into their tactics. Using that article as an example, it failed to introduce two key concepts. The first being that "the little lady" our masculine hero is so valiantly defending should be a part of the plan--not just passively standing behind the man. That even if they're not going to be armed themselves, that it's maybe a good idea to have a gun accessible to them. Backup's nice to have, and as I'm fond of saying, losing a fight is always on the table.

The other is that, after mentioning the importance of physical security, they fail to mention the classic home defense scenario: the push-in burglary. Why go through all that trouble of kicking in a door, not knowing what's on the other side, when you can ring the doorbell? Not to mention, even regular front doors are hard to kick in--that's why police use battering rams and Halligan bars when they can. But the doorbell gets the door open easily, quickly and quietly, and lets you scope out the situation. With luck the "man of the house" will be the one that opens the door, letting you evaluate your chances and precluding him from retrieving a weapon. Even if he's armed, you're starting the fight with him in arm's reach.

Still--not a word about a "buddy system" for the door, or my personal choice, called "Not Opening the Damn Door".

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I had a noise in the night I couldn't identify so I grabbed my gun and discovered it was my wife who returned to the bedroom at the EXACT same time I figured it out so my gun facing the door way, got pointed at her for a millisecond before I moved it and she freaked. We had a very troublesome couple of days and some nasty conversation about the incident. She almost got fired for her responses and emotional thinking in which she was not listening to me nor getting what I was saying about her requests. I refused to put our house in danger do to her unreasonable requests. She has a loaded gun on her side of the bed and carries too. I mentioned this to my sister and one brother. Naturally my sister sided with my wife and my brother side with me and told my sister she was wrong. My sister is not a gun girl. Once she calmed down, we were able to get it resolved
So let me get this straight. You grabbed a gun, pointed it at your wife before identifying her or realizing that she wasn't in bed next to you, and the fact that she's angry is her problem? Her responses "almost got [her] fired"?

You "refused to put [y]our house in danger due to her unreasonable requests"?

Buddy, the biggest danger to your house right now is you.
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A Glock .40 of some sort is on my body from sunup to bedtime. Concealed unless I am in uniform. My pants with the holstered pistol is next to my bed when I am there at night. Been doing this for decades. The bride has a 4" M10 for HD that stays in our bedroom. Her limited hand strength restricts her to six trigger strokes on a DA revolver. I just hope she can get to it on time if an incident occurs. She will not consider a carry permit. I should bring up the subject of her carrying at home to see if she might be receptive. I figure my Colt DS would work for that role.
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They'll move out? One less security risk to worry about.
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If the door got kicked in three nights from now do you think she'd consider it 'excessive' to carry a gun?
Time to get a better door.

The home is one of the few places where YOU get to choose how difficult it is to get in to. FWIW, I know a lot of folks who carry. I don't know anyone who carries while at home.

If anyone wishes to do so, have a great time. But there is a lot more to being safe than just having a gun on your person 24/7.

I find the "But it's your LIFE!" argument ridiculous. By that argument, we all ought to drive armored trucks to work. We all ought to work out, watch what we eat, and ice cream sales should plummet. Kids shouldn't be allowed to ride bicycles, adults shouldn't be allowed to ride motorcycles and no one would ever smoke.

We all do things involving at least some risk and do so for convenience or because it is fun. In most places, you are more likely to die in traffic than from a home invasion. Folks are more likely to die prematurely from being overweight than from not carrying a gun 24/7.

As for my wife & I: After 30 years of marriage, we don't spend a lot of time making demands of the other. We make compromises, but our marriage would have ended decades ago if we issued ultimatums to each other.
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The home is one of the few places where YOU get to choose how difficult it is to get in to. FWIW, I know a lot of folks who carry. I don't know anyone who carries while at home.

If anyone wishes to do so, have a great time. But there is a lot more to being safe than just having a gun on your person 24/7.

I find the "But it's your LIFE!" argument ridiculous. By that argument, we all ought to drive armored trucks to work. We all ought to work out, watch what we eat, and ice cream sales should plummet. Kids shouldn't be allowed to ride bicycles, adults shouldn't be allowed to ride motorcycles and no one would ever smoke.

We all do things involving at least some risk and do so for convenience or because it is fun. In most places, you are more likely to die in traffic than from a home invasion. Folks are more likely to die prematurely from being overweight than from not carrying a gun 24/7.

As for my wife & I: After 30 years of marriage, we don't spend a lot of time making demands of the other. We make compromises, but our marriage would have ended decades ago if we issued ultimatums to each other.
You may have friends who discreetly carry at home or have a gun in an out-of-the-way location that can be accessed or BOTH! It is still a semi-free country and you can only speak from your perspective. I try not to judge others on how, when and where they carry. I agree that the chances of having a home invasion may be low, but IMHO it is, "Better to have a gun and never need it, than to need a gun and not have it." I will agree with you regarding ultimatums. Congratulations on your long marriage (mine has lasted longer). Compromise works both ways, though. Capitulation isn't compromise. My wife was scared of guns when we first got married, because she had never been exposed to them. Events and time brought her around to being not only pro-gun, but to getting training, a handgun license and competing.
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You may have friends who discreetly carry at home or have a gun in an out-of-the-way location that can be accessed or BOTH! It is still a semi-free country and you can only speak from your perspective...
Actually, I talk to the people I know, so I'm referring to what I know.

All of us always speak from our perspective.

We have plenty of rattlesnakes where I live. I killed on the other day that was coiled up on the front porch. I generally prefer to ignore rattlesnakes than to kill them, but not when they are at my door.

Where I live, I'm more likely to be bit by a rattlesnake than have my home invaded. I suppose I could wear knee-high, heavy leather boots, just in case. After all, better to wear them and not need them than to need them and not have them. It only takes one bite, after all! Why take chances with my life?

But I don't wear knee-high, heavy leather boots. I also don't wear a beekeeper's suit when passing next to a tree near our back door which literally is humming with bees at this time of year. The bees CAN get aggressive, but the risk is low and a beekeeper's suit is uncomfortable. Of course, I could be badly stung by hundreds of bees later today...but I'll take my chances.

I have no objections to someone wearing a gun in their house. I prefer that to someone stashing loaded guns around. It is safer to carry than to stash because someone who is carrying controls who can get hold of the gun.

What I reject is that it is a necessary precaution that all should follow. And if one's wife strongly objects, then a drag out fight with ultimatums isn't a good way to proceed. As you wrote, "Events and time brought her around to being not only pro-gun, but to getting training, a handgun license and competing." Patience, trying to get her to spend some time around guns, and discussing - without ultimatums from either side - is a better path. Life is full of compromises, and a good marriage involves a lot of MUTUALLY acceptable compromises.

For example, the OP might consider seeing if his wife objects to him carrying a NAA 22 in a pocket holster. It is a gun I CCW with fairly often in my low-threat environment. Easy to conceal, Not at all threatening. But a 22 in the face at 3' isn't something to sneeze at!

Were I to need it, I'd prefer a 686 to the little 22. But I'm not willing to haul the 686 everywhere, while the NAA 22 can always slip in my pocket. Maybe if the OP's wife got used to the 22, she'd become more open to him carrying a J-frame, or an LCP, or some other option.

Some years back, I was told that if the front door is barred shut, look for the back door. If a co-worker, boss, wife, horse, dog, child, etc just CANNOT handle the thought of X, then maybe try 1/2 X, or 1/4 X, or explore to see what they CAN handle. Carrying a gun inside one's home is not so essential to most people's safety that they need to insist on doing so TODAY.
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Actually, I talk to the people I know, so I'm referring to what I know.

All of us always speak from our perspective.

We have plenty of rattlesnakes where I live. I killed on the other day that was coiled up on the front porch. I generally prefer to ignore rattlesnakes than to kill them, but not when they are at my door.

Where I live, I'm more likely to be bit by a rattlesnake than have my home invaded. I suppose I could wear knee-high, heavy leather boots, just in case. After all, better to wear them and not need them than to need them and not have them. It only takes one bite, after all! Why take chances with my life?

But I don't wear knee-high, heavy leather boots. I also don't wear a beekeeper's suit when passing next to a tree near our back door which literally is humming with bees at this time of year. The bees CAN get aggressive, but the risk is low and a beekeeper's suit is uncomfortable. Of course, I could be badly stung by hundreds of bees later today...but I'll take my chances.

I have no objections to someone wearing a gun in their house. I prefer that to someone stashing loaded guns around. It is safer to carry than to stash because someone who is carrying controls who can get hold of the gun.

What I reject is that it is a necessary precaution that all should follow. And if one's wife strongly objects, then a drag out fight with ultimatums isn't a good way to proceed. As you wrote, "Events and time brought her around to being not only pro-gun, but to getting training, a handgun license and competing." Patience, trying to get her to spend some time around guns, and discussing - without ultimatums from either side - is a better path. Life is full of compromises, and a good marriage involves a lot of MUTUALLY acceptable compromises.

For example, the OP might consider seeing if his wife objects to him carrying a NAA 22 in a pocket holster. It is a gun I CCW with fairly often in my low-threat environment. Easy to conceal, Not at all threatening. But a 22 in the face at 3' isn't something to sneeze at!

Were I to need it, I'd prefer a 686 to the little 22. But I'm not willing to haul the 686 everywhere, while the NAA 22 can always slip in my pocket. Maybe if the OP's wife got used to the 22, she'd become more open to him carrying a J-frame, or an LCP, or some other option.

Some years back, I was told that if the front door is barred shut, look for the back door. If a co-worker, boss, wife, horse, dog, child, etc just CANNOT handle the thought of X, then maybe try 1/2 X, or 1/4 X, or explore to see what they CAN handle. Carrying a gun inside one's home is not so essential to most people's safety that they need to insist on doing so TODAY.
A person can keep guns stashed around the house in locked containers that have quick access. Much of your response to me is on the one point where I agreed with you, i.e. ultimatums. I also stated that I didn't propose to tell other people when, where or if they should carry. You are free to do as you please without my judging you!
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For those that thought I was unreasonable...The gun was pointed out the door of the bedroom at a 45 degree angle down when she walked into the door way which was at the EXACT moment I discovered she was not in bed. I did not "tap" her side of the bed as I didn't want to have her make noise as she has in the past when I have done so. I could have and maybe should have looked for her at the same time or instant reaching for the gun. She has been critical of me before for "checking" her first as those things turned out to be nothing. Her unreasonable requests were things like no round in the chamber etc.
She would not listen when I said the time line, for this event, would have allowed me to rack one in the chamber, but possibly give away our awareness etc. to the intruder. She said she didn't care about that. What you don't know is that her now ex-husband's 9mm ammo from working at the jail "somehow" ended up in her stove burners where they started going off when cooking one time while they were in divorce proceedings. She freaked on this event because of that event. We made a few changes in the procedures we will now use going forward. I'll do a body check on her first and she does not get to complain about being woke up because of it, no matter how it turns out. She did admit later that she over reacted. I said I could have body checked her first but didn't because of previous incidents with her. I started out being very calm they went off on her after repeated failures to be even remotely rational by her. I know it was a big deal. Lets resolve this like adults. She talked to my brother too and that helped. I did apologize multiple times during the discussions to no avail.
In retrospect I could/should have done it a little different.
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I don't normally carry when I'm out and about.

About the only time I routinely carry is when I am traveling out of town on personal business (my principal client considers business travel to be duty time and does not allow employees/contractors to be armed).
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The other night my son had not locked the front door when he came home and someone tried the door. They were met by our Turkish Van (a breed of cat, and you would do better to tangle with a Rottweiler wearing a meat suit) so before I could retrieve my gun the intruder had decided there were better places to be.

Multiple lines of defense is always superior to reliance on just one.
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Well, in exactly the same way that the cosmetics industry doesn't sell make-up, they sell "hope", the personal defense industry doesn't sell security, they too sell "hope".
  • Hope I'm home when the bad guys come
  • Hope there aren't too many of them
  • Hope they're not too well armed.
  • Hope they're noisy so that I wake up
  • Hope I can get to the gun
  • Hope I remember to take off the safety
  • Hope my hands aren't shaking too bad to aim.
  • Hope I can hit the broad side of a barn with that hokey stance
  • Hope my wife will think of me like this and not the guy wetting his pants when he stares down the barrel of a gun pointed at him for the first time.
If someone had broken in on my grandparents (as someone once did) they needed to hope they encountered my grandfather and not my grandmother since she was calmer under pressure and was by far the better shot.
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Pocket carry a J frame. I do. Nobody knows or notices.
What's she gonna do frisk you every day?
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The problem about statistics is that they are about other people-lots of other people, and have nothing to do with you if your home is the one that gets invaded.
If you carry with the right gun and holster combo, carrying at home is just not unstrapping when you get home. I keep my wallet all day, I have a knife in a pocket all day, and now I carry all day unless I deliberately take the gun off.
You spend more time at home than any where else, your wealth(??) is in the house and your family is in the house. Take my wallet on the street and get less than $20.
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Well, in exactly the same way that the cosmetics industry doesn't sell make-up, they sell "hope", the personal defense industry doesn't sell security, they too sell "hope".
You're more charitable than me. I class most of it under "entertainment".
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You might also want to start locking that front door, partner.
Yup. Sad we have to think of that given our location, but we do now lock it every time....even it's for 5 minutes!
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Fences, dogs, and guns. My wife has not complained about any of them, well sometimes the dogs.
Add motion sensing outdoor lighting, and strong doors and locks.
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Well that's the thing, right? It's not uncommon for me to find myself in a situation where things are getting a little handsy (not in a bad way), but I'd have for things to turn south real quick if my piece gets discovered on me.

I'm kind of hoping that if I am carrying every day (once I can legally do that sort of thing), there will end up being the factor of getting used to seeing it come and go all the time, to the point that it's no big deal.
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One of the advantages of concealed carry is that the gun is CONCEALED. Your "monitor" should not necessarily know. My wife knows and approves, by the way.

Sometimes it's a question of size. When outside the home, I usually move up to a larger gun than the one I carry inside the home. That one is small for convenience, and it will do until I can grab more serious armament (after my dog makes the necessary introductions).

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Just picked up a S&W 36 "chiefs special" for conceal carry. I have to say that the thing is so small and comfortable to carry that I don't even take t off when I'm at home. Its so comfortable to carry I just don't even think about it being there and as I get used to carrying it I find myself feeling odd if I don't have it on me like that feeling you get when you leave your cell phone at home. I think that's how a true conceal carry gun should be. Something that you can always have on you that you forget is there. That's a gun your going to take everywhere. I see no reason to take it off when I'm at home unless I'm settled in for the evening, and even then why when it's so easy to carry? It goes in the nightstand with the 686P at bed time.

If my wife told me what I can and can't carry id pack my stuff and leave. I'm an adult and have no time for anyone else dictating what I do or don't do. Now on the other hand if your walking around open carrying a hog leg then she has a point, but if it's a small easily concealed J frame or something similar I wonder why it would even be a point of discussion as not a single person notices when I'm carry the little guy. Maybe ask yourself if what you are carrying makes you like like a fool akin to the guys open carrying AR15's at Sonic like idiots or does she just have a problem with you carrying discretely at home.

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Let's see now, most localities require you to have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen area. Now the chance of fire exists, but is variable. It's prudent to have a means for dealing with the problem at hand should it occur. [Slightly related, but when was the last time any of us checked the expiration date on said extinguisher and bought a new one? Yes, I have and added one for the garage area.]

Several people have noted that home invasions "don't happen here". 20 odd miles or so away, they seem to be quite common. In the surrounding areas, we also have gang issues. [You probably do too, they exist even in rural areas.]

Now about "doesn't happen here". One of the times I was the intended victim of an armed robbery it was just before noon and we were in front of the Federal Court House in a major city. Traffic cop on the corner.

Remember the Boy Scout motto (or what it used to be): Be Prepared. Doesn't mean you need to look like you're about to patrol Fallujah.
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Indeed, I do keep fire extinguishers about our home (kitchen area and places with concentrated electrical circuits), and replace them over time. I also agree with the idea that you don't have to look like a commando just to be prepared. All I wanted to do is just not have to take off my shield that I was already wearing AIWB in the first place. To anyone looking at me, they'd see no difference. I just wouldn't have wanted it to be an unpleasant surprise and did the courtesy of just asking about it first.

Oh well. Perhaps I can just "forget" to take it off and see how bad it is for me. I'd rather have a dumb argument over this than for something life-threatening to happen, and I'm victimized by having inadequate tactics.
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