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Old 05-31-2017, 12:59 PM
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Whomsoever is incapable of target identification should not carry a gun for self defense. Surely a pet name called out softly or a "You alright?" is better than pointing a gun at a loved one. Not​ being present mentally enough to reach out 18" for a warm body could have led to a cold one. Obviously I'm Monday morning quarterbacking, but why would you ever post something so foolish? Other than that, did you sleep well Mr. Pistorius?
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:55 PM
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I do carry at church.
why , some have asked....
simple , the Sunday collection basket could be tempting for outsiders ,
I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".

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and the obvious threat of "other" religious groups who differ from our faith.
If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
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I just don't understand the world view that has someone saying to themselves that they have to have a gun strapped to them to sit comfortably in an easy chair in their own living room to watch television, cook dinner or take a shower.

Someone used fire extinguishers as an analogy. Well, to the extent they are a sutiable analogy for a gun, then I guess I would have to point out that I have fire extinguishers in readily accessible locations throughout the house, but I don't walk around with one strapped to my hip. Similarly, I have weapons in secure locations in the house, but I don't walk around with one strapped to me.

To each his own, but in answer to the OP's question, No, I don't carry a gun with me when I'm in the house.
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Old 05-31-2017, 06:43 PM
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I just don't understand the world view that has someone saying to themselves that they have to have a gun strapped to them to sit comfortably in an easy chair in their own living room to watch television, cook dinner or take a shower.

Someone used fire extinguishers as an analogy. Well, to the extent they are a sutiable analogy for a gun, then I guess I would have to point out that I have fire extinguishers in readily accessible locations throughout the house, but I don't walk around with one strapped to my hip. Similarly, I have weapons in secure locations in the house, but I don't walk around with one strapped to me.

To each his own, but in answer to the OP's question, No, I don't carry a gun with me when I'm in the house.
Oddly enough, home invasions happen at home.
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Old 05-31-2017, 06:57 PM
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I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop.
This is my church's plan also. I'm not worried about the offering, God doesn't need the money and (Biblically) He has been known to strike people dead for robbing him.
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Old 06-01-2017, 12:34 PM
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I just don't understand the world view that has someone saying to themselves that they have to have a gun strapped to them to sit comfortably in an easy chair in their own living room to watch television, cook dinner or take a shower.

Someone used fire extinguishers as an analogy. Well, to the extent they are a sutiable analogy for a gun, then I guess I would have to point out that I have fire extinguishers in readily accessible locations throughout the house, but I don't walk around with one strapped to my hip. Similarly, I have weapons in secure locations in the house, but I don't walk around with one strapped to me.

To each his own, but in answer to the OP's question, No, I don't carry a gun with me when I'm in the house.
If you don't want to carry a gun at home that's your prerogative but don't presume that I'm some wild-eyed paranoid gun nut because I do. That's something Shannon Watts would do.

I personally think leaving random guns scattered through out your house is kinda dumb and I think you're far more likely to lose them to a burglary than use them in self defense.

I'm paraphrasing Tamara Keel here but I don't carry a gun at home so much as I carry a gun. When I get dressed in the morning I put on my gun when I get undressed at night I take it off.

I may have said this elsewhere but the primary reason I carry at home isn't to protect against a home invasion it's so that when it's time to walk the dogs or I need to run to Walmart for bread or milk I don't have to stop and put on my gun.
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Old 06-01-2017, 01:23 PM
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We each have different situations.

Personally, instead of keeping all my pistols in the safe, several are "scattered" throughout the house so that I'm never far from one. Those are in addition to the 12ga that's well-located and always ready to go.

The only time I "carry" at home is when I'm getting used to a new gun/holster combo. In that case, I load filled snap caps to simulate the weight of a loaded magazine.
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Old 06-25-2017, 01:29 PM
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in the house on me is usually a mod36, but, when the house was being built I had biometric safes built into each wall in each room hidden. Inside each is a S&W 325 Thunder Ranch in 45acp with a Viridian laser mounted.
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All I say is I was a Boy Scout many years ago. And the Scouts motto is "Be Prepared!"
Yea, I have a handgun on me some ware all the time. I have a convicted felon who did burglaries armed at times living next door. Have know him since he was born. Drugs was his down fall. Maybe the kid has changed his life around since he got out of jail, but I'm not taking any chances. Want to go of old age, not a victim!
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Old 06-25-2017, 05:00 PM
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Honestly I consider home carry just as important. What plays through my mind mostly in a SD scenario is a home invasion. Yes it happens, happened to someone I know. Pocket carry a J frame, and concealed means concealed.
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Even if Madam Zelda looked into her crystal ball and told me I'd never need to use a gun in or around my home, I'd still drop an LCP in my pants pocket in the morning and leave it there till bedtime.

Carrying an LCP goes unnoticed to me just as my wallet. I'm in and out of the house through the day. I'd have to remind myself to disarm every time I walked in the house, and then I'd end up forgetting to put it back in my pocket when I left the house again. Since I don't suffer any mental hangups about gun carry nor am physically bothered by it... there's just no reason to repeatedly arm and disarm myself as I go about my day.
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I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".



If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
You don't need firearms to protect the collection plate or THINGS. If you use firearms it should be (ethically, and legally in the places I currently live and have lived in the past) to protect PEOPLE. All threats aren't sectarian.

Scumbag walks into an AME church in SC, kills 9 wounds 3. If my family members or freinds were going to a service or study, I would want someone there whom I trusted to be armed, even if the majority of the parishoners trust in God to safeguard them and feel it unneccesary.

( I don't trust. Twenty plus years on the job nearly caused me to loose all faith. Listening to high church officials LIE and close my Parish and make a deal to redevelop the home of a vibrant community for PROFIT. That is what did me in.)
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Church security starts outside. Counting on armed parishioners or security volunteers inside the structure is--literally--an act of closing the barn door after the horse has been stolen. If guns inside the church/temple/mosque are of any use, then you are already having a Very Bad Time.

Clear inside, secure all entrances, establish a perimeter, and then control access. Lay eyes on everyone coming in, keep close watch on newcomers. Keep people moving to minimize the crowd on the way in. If you're going to have a problem, have it outside.
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I carry everywhere. At home a 442 is always in my pocket. No one can see it. My wife knows I always carry. If she said something against it. I would continue to carry anyway. If she insisted I guess I would have to make here an offer she could not refuse. You don't sign my paycheck you don't tell me what to do. Oh ya I'm retired, knowone tells me what to do.
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If I am awake I have my EDC on me almost always....very very rare to not have gun on my person if it is legal.

All one has to do is scan the news for home invasions....

But I respect that some folks like to pick and choose when they carry - there choice....
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#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
You poor *******, move out or procure a pair of testicles and EDC them.
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#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
Stage a mock break in and show them the need.
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show them the news article about home invasions
Oh, just meekly submit and you'll be fine... unless they decide to beat you half to death and rape and burn to death your wife and daughters:

Cheshire, Connecticut Home Invasion Murders
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I only occasionally carry in the house, usually after I've carried outside.

That having been said, most of the time I'm at home, there's a loaded handgun and at least one reload less than a foot from me.
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Every case is individual and, for sure, every home "partnership" is different from everyone else's. Especially if we are comparing anything in California with so much of the rest of the country. Just a wholly different outlook, that's my guess. ICBW.

As for me, with only two dogs and a pet snake (small, in a tank, not meandering around) to keep me company, nobody tells me I can't EDC at home and I do. Always. In the distant past I never stepped out of my doors to even toss trash without a gun and that graduated into ALWAYS with me at home. My last human companion, wife number 3 to be precise, was totally disinterested in whether I carried a gun or not (she carried one in her car and sometimes in her purse like lots of good West Texas ladies, way before anyone heard of a Texas carry permit) and I certainly do not permit my current companion to have an opinion on the subject in my house. I encouraged her to have her gun available in her house and it bugs me that she doesn't, actually.

And, yes, I do have one under my pillow. At no time do I ever find myself more than a foot or two from a loaded weapon. Paranoid? Probably. Have you read the news lately? I think paranoia is allowed.
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IIRC that's what the FAA said up to and including the morning of 9/11/01... Comply with hijackers... Remind me how that worked out.
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I rarely carry inside my house, only because I have little kids that jump on me, and I don't want to have to explain why I have a gun on (haven't gone through that discussion yet nor am I quite ready- kids are 6 and 4 and while they know I have guns, I ask them not to discuss it outside the house). However, if I am outside my house, in the yard, especially at night when I am working on cars or something, I usually carry- we have bears, coyotes, and you never know if a non friendly visitor stops in. We had a few drug deals in my safe rural neighborhood, and I feel better safe with my EDC than sorry if I need it...
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I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".



If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
Myself, and I am pretty sure a few others carry at my church- I have not discussed it with my pastor, but when I get a chance I may.. We have a couple law enforcement officers and ex military in out congregation, so I am pretty sure I'm not the only one that carries...
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I fall into the camp that concealed is just that. What's in my pocket isn't anyone else's concern.
My wife and I also don't issue ultimatums to one another. Neither of us wants that kind of a relationship.
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I have authored and help implement security plans for numerous churches in the Dallas suburbs. On any given Sunday, somewhere between 5% and 35% of the people in attendance are armed. Even so, if someone comes in and wants the collection, we would hand it over with no resistance. The last place we need a gunfight is in a crowded church santuary where the backdrop to any shot is liable to be your "brother or sister in the Lord".



If someone from another faith shows up at our church, we'll offer them a donut and a cup of coffee.

Sectarian violence is so far down our list of likely threats that it hardly merits consideration.
On request, I headed a committee to develop an overall safety plan for our church. It was divided into 4 areas: 1. Weather related. 2. Medical 3. Fire and finally 4. Violence. After doing research for weeks, inspecting all areas of the facility and coming up with a written plan, there was never any meaningful action taken. Our president is an active duty police officer and his solution is to call 911. He also doesn't believe he needs to carry a firearm off duty.
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Don't let your last thoughts be " God I wish I had a GUN !!
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On request, I headed a committee to develop an overall safety plan for our church. It was divided into 4 areas: 1. Weather related. 2. Medical 3. Fire and finally 4. Violence. After doing research for weeks, inspecting all areas of the facility and coming up with a written plan, there was never any meaningful action taken. Our president is an active duty police officer and his solution is to call 911. He also doesn't believe he needs to carry a firearm off duty.
Your situation really puts me at a loss for words. I literally have nothing to write except for being astounded, confused, aghast, and perhaps constipated. I got nothing!! hardcase60
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After doing research for weeks, inspecting all areas of the facility and coming up with a written plan, there was never any meaningful action taken.
Sounds like 90 percent of my time once I got to wear a white shirt, and why I did not stick around to make it 30.

An active duty officer who feels no need to carry off-duty, do you live in Shang-ri-la or does he live in La-la-land?
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We live in a total back woods area.State forest on 3 sides and a driveway that is almost .5 mile long to a hard road.There have been active bear,cyote,wolf,and a mountain lion (or cougar as the DNR calls it) sightings . This area,between Traverse city ,Clare,and Alpena, is the Meth capitol of northern michigan(not my assesment).Almost every night there is a meth lab bust or find.Even though it is a beautiful area with many recreational opprotunities,it is not all that it seems to the casual visitor.I have carried since the mid 60's,when the only way to do it was either illeagally or with a card signed by the county sherrif makeing you a "part time special deputy".Since my dad was a DS and the sherrif lived across the street from us,I did not have any problem getting that card!I grew up in a very safe urban enviroment,but I always seemed to work,and eventually own a bussiness in a getto.When my wife and I retired,we moved here.That was almost 20 yrs ago and I can honestly say that niether one of us has ever faced a serios threat,unless you ask my wife about the badger in wyoming (1970) that she somehow got between her den and her(badger)while deer hunting.The badger was promply dispatched by a 7 mm mag at 15 paces!None the less we have both carried most of our adult lives,and do not ever leave the house w/o our edc.I built a nice(IMO) range with 10 and 50 yd target frames and a backstop that would challenge a .50 cal.We both shoot a couple times a week,sometimes together,sometimes not.When we come in the house,my edc goes on my computer desk,hers on the table infront of her chair.My 39-2 is under my pillow,edc next to it at night, and there are 2-ar pistols in the bedroom.So,are we paranoid? Maybe,but we are both still alive and when someone knocks at the door,one of us has thier edc in hand.Nieghbors (we actually only have 2) and friends are used to it and ignore it.First time visitors,usually become a bit edgy,but thats OK,we have never been drawn down on!We have been together since 1967,and the weapons have never been an issue between us,unless it was because of a lack of them at any given time.Our 2 sons grew up with both pistols and long guns everywhere in the house and were shooting as soon as they were old enough to hold them.There was never any issue with them,however both nancy and I know that if we did that today cps would have our kids and we would be in jail.Its a sad thing but a reality.Oddly enough,niether one of them has anything other than a casual intrest in guns now that they are adults.As I sit in the famly room right now,watching "naked & afraid",I can count 3 handguns,2 of which are only an arms length away.We have no edc problems in our family or marrige and never did!
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Whomsoever is incapable of target identification should not carry a gun for self defense. Surely a pet name called out softly or a "You alright?" is better than pointing a gun at a loved one. Not​ being present mentally enough to reach out 18" for a warm body could have led to a cold one. Obviously I'm Monday morning quarterbacking, but why would you ever post something so foolish? Other than that, did you sleep well Mr. Pistorius?
I agree, OP has bigger problems than wanting to EDC at home. Imagine coming back from the bathroom to have someone pointing a pistol at you, no wonder his wife is upset. Someone so concerned about a noise in the night would likely be better off upgrading their locks, installing a home security system and putting up cameras that could be monitored without leaving the bedroom.
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Our president is an active duty police officer and his solution is to call 911. He also doesn't believe he needs to carry a firearm off duty.
Two things.

One thing, it's my understanding that a great many jurisdictions require officers to carry off-duty. Aside from it being a a good idea anyway, in the event some scummer robs you and finds out you're a cop.

SIDE NOTE: True story, a retired officer was sitting at a bar when a guy came in to hold it up. He walks around with a bag and a gun, having everyone empty their belongings, and going through everybody's wallets. Now, the retired cop knows that when it's his turn, the guy's gonna find his retired ID card, and that's bad news (another good reason to conceal your CCW or LEO ID). So the cop just sits there with his drink. When the guy gets to him, he offers up his wallet, and then grabs the robber's gun and points it to the floor. With his other hand, he draws his CCW, pushes the muzzle up under the guy's jaw, and squeezes the trigger. The robber, of course, did not survive.

Second thing, just because he's a cop, doesn't mean he's a gun guy. And I mean that in the harshest possible sense. Literally, one of the biggest hoplophobes I know claims he's a retired police officer (note to LEO's in the room: he doesn't qualify for LEOSA). Now, to be fair, I also know a lot of active/retired cops who are perfectly normal gun owners. Point is, a badge isn't a guarantee.

Then again, I find most gun owners are secretly hoplophobic by my standards.
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Two things.

One thing, it's my understanding that a great many jurisdictions require officers to carry off-duty. Aside from it being a a good idea anyway, in the event some scummer robs you and finds out you're a cop.

SIDE NOTE: True story, a retired officer was sitting at a bar when a guy came in to hold it up. He walks around with a bag and a gun, having everyone empty their belongings, and going through everybody's wallets. Now, the retired cop knows that when it's his turn, the guy's gonna find his retired ID card, and that's bad news (another good reason to conceal your CCW or LEO ID). So the cop just sits there with his drink. When the guy gets to him, he offers up his wallet, and then grabs the robber's gun and points it to the floor. With his other hand, he draws his CCW, pushes the muzzle up under the guy's jaw, and squeezes the trigger. The robber, of course, did not survive.

Second thing, just because he's a cop, doesn't mean he's a gun guy. And I mean that in the harshest possible sense. Literally, one of the biggest hoplophobes I know claims he's a retired police officer (note to LEO's in the room: he doesn't qualify for LEOSA). Now, to be fair, I also know a lot of active/retired cops who are perfectly normal gun owners. Point is, a badge isn't a guarantee.

Then again, I find most gun owners are secretly hoplophobic by my standards.
The weird thing about this active duty police officer is that he says that he was a competitive pistol shooter. Most folks at church, including both pastors, think very highly of him and really like him as president of the congregation. I don't know what his motivation is, but perhaps he thinks that not liking guns puts him in a position of moral superiority.
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... my wife and I live "out" in the country and the local deputy sheriffs have a rule about answering a 911 call to our address, I have mentioned this before in the forums, the sheriff on duty makes the decision personally as to whether or not to respond to a 911 call from us.
I have spoken to the local deputy sheriffs about this before too, in fact, one of them was nice enough to inform me about this rule.
The fact is there are only 2 ways on to our property, both are 1 mile long driveways composed of dirt, gravel and sand. Both driveways are, surrounded by timber and are canopied over too. As the deputy explained to me either driveway constitutes an excellent ambush site and he was absolutely right about this. Now the chances of someone knowing where we live and wanting to do a home invasion here are pretty slim. On the other hand, we do have a really nice Mercedes convertible, one of the few in our neck of the woods. If a person were to go looking for an isolated place to do a home invasion, a person driving a Mercedes might appear a good target. (Fact is the Mercedes cost less than our truck did, I just made a really good deal on a nice car. Hey, we're old, we've both worked hard and since we had the money to buy the car outright and treat ourselves, we did. We're hardly "rich", ya know.)
Anyway, the point is I carry pretty much all of the time, if I hadn't, the "rabid fox" I shot the other weekend could still be out there presenting a threat to either our animals or someone else's animals or kids. I happened to have been awake all night and had the BG 380 in an IWB when I walked out onto the deck and there was the fox.
We live rural and as long as the grandkids aren't here there are guns placed around in strategic areas, but that's still steps away from where I am so having one with me at all times or within a few feet just makes sense. What can I say, I'm an old Boy Scout, you know, "Be Prepared". Most of the time my wife has no idea I'm even carrying the gun and I prefer it that way with everyone, the only one who needs to know I am carrying ... is me.
She never complains about it, she trusts my judgment and training, if I am carrying, I likely have a good reason to be. She also knows I have PTSD and can be hyper vigilant at times, again, she trusts me.
Ultimately, that's what it comes down to, trust.

This just hit me. Years ago, like 30 some years ago a friend's wife was at home about 3 PM waiting for her kids to come home from school. A man barged in her door, accompanied by a woman. They had just robbed a bank and wanted a car. She gave them the keys to her car and ... the man shot her in the head with a .22 revolver. This was in a nice rural/suburban neighborhood. Her kids came home from school and found Mom dead in their own kitchen. It was heartbreaking, but things like this happen. That is another reason that, at times, not all of the time, but a lot of the time I have my carry pistol on me at home.
Perhaps just having a really open heart to heart about this issue could clear it up, I have no idea, as I wouldn't know you from Adam.
I do wish you the best in working this out, good luck!
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We have a design like this or similar on all of our exterior doors, my wife has one in her office at work and we take one with us when traveling.
They're cheap, easy to use and they are very effective at keeping your doors closed.

Just an FYI.

A better door or one of these simple tools: Jobar U.S. Patrol Alarm Security Bar - Bed Bath & Beyond



Time to get a better door.
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I keep a firearm within hands reach of me at all times in my home ,if not on my person in my magazine rack or just laying on the side table as now .i carry on my person when I walk out the door generaly a full size handgun within easy view .Why? Glad you ask .I want any trouble makers or bad guys ridding by to think hey that s o b looks half crazy and he carries a freekin gun all the time .Generally criminals are looking for victims I don't want them to mistake me for a victim .My right to keep and bear arms is just as important as my right of expression ,assembly or freedom of religion maybe more important ,good men have fought and died for those rights I beleive it's my responsibility as an American to exorcise those rights unashamedly ,publicly and don't give a rats behind who don't like it .But that's just me and no I don't have a lot of liberal non gun friends and my wife thinks I have too many guns but I told her last time it came up ,my money my guns my business ,when she saw I was not willing to compromise she dropped it ,I'm a pretty easy going guy but in my house and on my property it's my rules put on your big boy pants and live like an American man especially in your own home whether that be a 100 acre ranch or a rented apartment .The rest of the world hates American men .Why? Cause we go armed ,beleive in freedom and don't take but so much guff call sadam or bin ladden and ask them how screwing with armed Americans worked out for em . I'm sorry but I realize that on this issue the NRA is correct ,take away tne right to keep and bear arms and the rest of our freedoms will go down shortly there after .But we must be willing to fight for that right and exorcise it unapologetically and don't even listen to arguments against it .Hell man I have a firearm within reach when I'm on the toilet .What am I afraid of? Not a damn thing especially in my own home .

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