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Old 04-03-2017, 04:10 PM
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#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
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I guess there are some advantages to living alone ....
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I personally don't feel the need to carry inside my house, so the conversation has never come up. I have, however, had a 380 in my front pocket if I've been outside for a period of time after dark, sitting on deck etc. My wife is ok with that, but then again we're too old to try and tell each other what to do. Good luck with your situation.
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I slip an LCP in my pants pocket when I get dressed in the morning and it stays there unnoticed like my wallet till I go to bed. Really not much to ponder or otherwise justify beyond that.

I'm in and out of the house a lot during the day. Why would I bother to disarm myself every time I enter the house? All that would accomplish is something else to forget when I walk out the house again. Other than talking to you fine folks on the subject, the fact that I'm carrying really doesn't cross my mind through the day while out and about or snoozing on the couch.

That said, I've seen plenty of discussion from people who think carrying a gun inside the home is like suffering some type of DEFCON alert paranoid condition. If carrying a gun puts them at such unease then they probably shouldn't.
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I pocket carry a J frame and no one has noticed in three years. Not my wife, not my fiends, not even an LE friend I have coffee with some mornings. And that coffee place has multiple LE people most days.

My view is a concealed weapon is one that no one but you knows about.

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show them the news article about home invasions .. seems to be in the news every week !! happening even in small sleepy farming towns ..

Last week man shoots 3 in home invasion during the day .. your home isn't the safe place it once was !! There has been 4 in the last year within 20 miles of me .. one an elderly man was kidnapped and killed ..

I carry every waking hour and then its on the table within a foot of me when sleeping ..

Paranoid ?? No PREPARED !!
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You need to start with a logical threat assessment....what are the "odds"...the need to be armed 24/7..... varies for each of us...... IMHO .....

I live in "the Burbs of the Burgh"..............a very low crime area... do I carry 24/7/365 ????? ....no. when I'm "out and about" ..... yes.... well to be honest probably only 98-99% of the time. At home; unless I'm in the shower I can be armed in................... fast!!!!

My wife has her concealed carry permit...... 10 years now... and has never said a word about my guns or concealed carry in ....... about 26/27 years of dating and marriage ........
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My wife and I both carry our edc on a daily basis in the home, or when we are out. Marital bliss!


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I strip off the gun as soon as I get home. If I felt a need to carry in my own house, I'd move. (Yes, I know the guy shot three people with his AR. I doubt he was wearing it around the house)

I know other folks may be in a different situation, and may have a need to carry in the home. Or just want to, for whatever reason. But its not for me, and unless you have a really pressing need to carry a gun in your jammies maybe you should consider the feelings of others you live with. Or choose to live alone.

I suspect I will be in the distinct minority on this, though.
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Sounds like you've got a lot going on there. Assuming you wish to keep the relationship, a cooling off period without raised voices and ultimatums might be in order. Afterward, a negotiated settlement to arrive at a compromise ought to be possible.

We live in a very safe area, and it's just the two of us. We don't carry at home, but our carry's are usually at arms length and never more than two steps away. We both arm when there is a knock at the door, or to go outside.

What makes sense and works for us though is irrelevant for your situation though. Good luck.
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#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
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My wife is an adult. I don't issue orders or edicts. I can not stand the resulting laughter. I can ask most anything.
Reality is that the danger of home invasion is small. If it happens, the damage can be unfixable. The risk of him moving out is ???. You are the only one to decide this. Not going to try.
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FWIW, in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, a gun is either locked up in a tamperproof container or under your direct control, or you are breaking the law. In other words, EDC or in the safe. It's for the chillun. Which do you think I do?

BTW, while I do not approve of telling other people how to store their guns inside their homes, particularly when there are no chillun in the house, I actually have no problem with following this law. It really does seem to me to be the best way to do things.

Obviously, the thing just stays in my pocket (or belt holster), and it is out of sight and out of other folks' minds.

Not sure how to advise you. In my case, the law could have been my excuse, but my wife was not giving me a hard time, anyway. A husband worrying about a wife with a gun ordinarily would seem to me a lot odder than a husband worrying about a wife without a gun.

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"WHAT ARE THE ODDS?"

.0001% odds are too high! You could still be 100% DEAD!!!

Shake the cobwebs out of your noggin. NOWHERE is totally "safe" anymore, if it ever was.

I generally apply my "5% Rule" to all humanity no matter what topic is being considered. I tend to trust that 5% with just about anything... and then I'm not too sure about them, either.
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Basically the approach took was, "this is your home too, but I'd like to do this because I drew a conclusion based on these ideas. What do you think?" I was trying to provide the opportunity to discuss the matter rather than discover it after the fact. I was hoping a year and half later--after going to training together and practicing together, it wouldn't have seemed like such a fantastic thing to want to talk about.

Until we get national reciprocity and I can get a Utah license, this is mostly moot anyway. But if I did, having to take it off at home seemed inconvenient and, possibly, pretty stupid. But if it's going to be that much of a bother, I'll do it anyway because, who knows, maybe nothing will ever happen, and I'll have had all this drama for nothing. It isn't a dangerous neighborhood and, right now, I feel no real need to carry at home. Just trying not to be naive.
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when my EDC ain't on, either my 442, or my LCP ride strong side front pocket. i have had the same chat with my lovely wife... and she says i'm a paranoid. problem is, my living room is exactly between my pistol box in master bedroom, and big safe in back ofc. the front door opens up onto, you guessed it, the living room. trying to get to one or the other location would be hard, and probably leave my family to fend off any intruder that may want to c'mon in... i'll continue to carry in my home, much to my wifes dis-pleasure.
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I pocket carry an LCP when conscious. It is no different than a cell phone, inhaler, Epi-Pen, Altoids or StainStick.

It's there if I need it.
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"WHAT ARE THE ODDS?"

.0001% odds are too high! You could still be 100% DEAD!!!

Shake the cobwebs out of your noggin. NOWHERE is totally "safe" anymore, if it ever was.

I generally apply my "5% Rule" to all humanity no matter what topic is being considered. I tend to trust that 5% with just about anything... and then I'm not too sure about them, either.
"Odds"....... LOL....... I'll assume that's a shot across my bow.

Ya it's "cooool" to carry a gun 24/7/365........you got that fire extinguisher in the other pocket...... wear a level III vest with plate 24/7...is your house the equivalent of Savage Mountain....... doors, windows......a bunker life style????

Lets be real ...you admit to being an "excitable boy".... but remember just cus you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL..... life is a compromise......... for each of us....... we all make them ......... think it through and make the right one for you!
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If I'm dressed I have Two guns on me. In the house, yard, or everywhere I go. If I'm dressed for bed I have a belly band and one gun on until I go to bed. A gun is on the nightstand all night.
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Carry from the time i get dressed to the time I go to bed..seems natural..your home is no safer than anywhere else especially if you have valuable items there (guns..money..collections..or anything that can be street sold or pawned). Desperate people looking for anything to sell don't care what your address is...and no i am not paranoid..the house 2 down has been broken into twice in three years when the family was away but you never know when someone may ring the bell and pull a gun on you..it happens all the time..probably never happen to you and we hope not but when and if it did and your cc is in the bedroom or the den or the kitchen....who you gonna call?
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No, I wasn't singling anyone in particular out. Not especially paranoid (Although I'm prone to give a one-finger salute to my local NSA satellite up in the dark blue at least once a day.), no bunkers or body armor. Got a pack of killer cats that'd rip you to shreds if you had tuna sandwich on your breath, though.

I'm just too old and cranky to rely on the good intentions of others, especially noting that the vast majority wouldn't even offer you a cough drop if you flopped to the sidewalk because of a heart attack.

Ain't nobody helping you but you in most cases, unless you travel in a pack, or can afford bodyguards 24/7. I've always been aware of my surroundings and the people within that bubble when I'm out of my "fortress" here in the sticks. I've lived in a big city (Southside of Chicago), small towns, suburbs and country. People are no different anywhere... there are those who will take advantage in any setting. It's just a matter of population density and what someone might think is an opportunity. The "odds" drop because of that density, but the per capita of humans bent on other than good deeds remains pretty much an even deal.

I could cite examples from personal experience, and those of friends and acquaintances, but I doubt that it would matter much to those who live in a Mary Poppins world.

Just took a shower a little while ago and wasn't even carrying... but the XDs9 was right there on the vanity.
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...unless you have a really pressing need to carry a gun in your jammies maybe you should consider the feelings of others you live with.
I tend to agree with this view, but I also wonder about the spouse who issues a serious "move out" ultimatum over this matter, or almost any other, short of abuse. Wearing a handgun on one's belt around the home, particularly in an urban or suburban setting, might seem a little odd and make some feel uncomfortable. I don't see it so, but I do see the wisdom of trying to peacefully and equitably coexist. The LCP-in-the-pocket approach might represent a reasonable compromise... or maybe just drop the subject!
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I hear they are talking about passing a law that requires robbers and booglers and home invaders and such like to call and schedule their action. That way the home owner or person will have some idea that trouble is actually coming and can make whatever preparations they deem appropriate.

When I investigated vehicle crashes, I would have settled for a requirement that they could only occur during hours of daylight. I sure would have gotten a lot more uninterupted sleep if that had been the case. Unfortunately, the stuff that happens just happens when it happens. I have never been clairvoyant enough to know very much ahead of time when somebody is about to throw the manure in the fan. Because of that, I don't just carry when I think I might really need it. You've either got it on you where you can touch it with your hand or you don't. Just about all these events start out with the intended victim being way behind the curve. If that wasn't the case, the intended victim would then be the aggressor. I sure don't need to be any further behind than I already am!

Everybody has to figure out what they are comfortable with. That's OK with me. Just please don't accuse me or anyone else of being paranoid because they choose to go armed all the time. If you have the room to make up your own mind and make your own choice, then so do I. And neither one of us, if we have a lick of politeness about us, should ever denigrate anyone whose choice is different than our own. You are free to think it. But whether you say it or not is a choice. And it's a choice that says a great deal about you!!!
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What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
If my wife gave me an ultimatum like that I'd say my marriage had more problems than just my gun.

I carry at home. I don't remember if we discussed it or not but I think I just started doing it. We also live in a 2 BR apartment
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If somebody gives me that "My way or the highway" attitude, I'll hit the road every time.
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If the door got kicked in three nights from now do you think she'd consider it 'excessive' to carry a gun?
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Are you married to the other person?

If NOT I suspect your relationship status is going to change.

How emotionally mature are you? Is the other partner more emotionally mature or more responsible in the house hold than you?

Bluntly, your partner is right. In an apartment the bigger risk is keeping the door locked.

I think you should figure out where your relationship is going, the guns are not the issue.
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I live alone and in a very quiet country setting. While in the house I have a gun usually within 2 feet of my hands. I have to say I am a little concerned while taking a shower since I don't have a gun and possibly wouldn't hear a break in before it was to late. If I lived in the burbs/city I am rather sure I would be carrying 24-7.

There was am man and wife that had guns and jewelry in a safe but neither carried or had a gun placed around the house. They were victims of a kick in and held at gun point. The crooks got the guns and jewels. One very good reason to carry 24-7. A gun safe protects your guns and valuables not your life.
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I'm considering upgrading my fire insurance on my home. Right now it's insured 3 days a week and I'm thinking maybe I should up it to 4.

I'm trying to figure the odds on which 4 days I'll likely need it.
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I always have a gun at hand when I'm in my home. Not necessarily for SD, but because it's a hobby as well as a tool. Maybe I'm dry firing while watching the tube... or maybe I'm fiddling with a home gunsmith project. Or just admiring a nice firearm. Cleared and verified not loaded while I do this, of course.

I mean really... if you have a Model 29 and a Dirty Harry marathon is on tv... you know it's going to be with you in your easy chair
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I live in a 'safe,' quiet, low crime area. However, there have been home invasion incidents in the surrounding area, and many in the city. Mostly during the day. One guy knocks on the front door, no answer results in the back door being kicked in...

Odds of it happening at MY house, probably very slim. Odds of me wishing I had my gun on me when it does happen, VERY high! If something like this were to happen, you really would not have time to go to another room, unlock your safe/box, retrieve weapon and be on point quick enough. These drug thugs know what areas have homes with valuable possessions, they do this 'for a living.' They are generally desperate, ruthless souls that have no regard for your life. Not a good combo.

This said, I really don't carry as much as I should. I've got kids, and having to be in and out of schools and school/sports activities makes it difficult to be consistent with carrying a weapon; thanks stupid, ineffective gun laws!

It is amazing how we tend to lulled into a false sense of security, especially in our homes, when in reality a lot of bad things happen every day. And, when they happen, they happen with very quickly, with no notice!
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I realize that the odds of my ever needing a gun in my home are next to nil. I also realize that if I'm the one in a million I'm going to need my gun RIGHT NOW. Add to that the convenience of carrying some of the compact handguns that are on the market and it's worth it to me.

If it's not worth it to you don't do it. It's your life, you make the decision, you live with the consequences. But don't talk down to me because I made different choices
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BTW, while I do not approve of telling other people how to store their guns inside their homes, particularly when there are no chillun in the house, I actually have no problem with following this law. It really does seem to me to be the best way to do things.

Obviously, the thing just stays in my pocket (or belt holster), and it is out of sight and out of other folks' minds.

Not sure how to advise you. In my case, the law could have been my excuse, but my wife was not giving me a hard time, anyway. A husband worrying about a wife with a gun ordinarily would seem to me a lot odder than a husband worrying about a wife without a gun.

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I do tell people one thing. That having kids around the house drastically changes the way you keep and store arms.
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Keep in mind that a home invader's top priority upon entry is to gain control of the occupants. They expect people to be home and know that many have firearms. They are counting on the element of surprise, plus fear. Is is unlikely that you will be able to get to a stored weapon unless it is within arms reach. If you are comfortable with the improbability of being a victim, don't carry. I just don't take mine off when I get home. My wife and kids are used to it. When guests come over I don't carry exposed.
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What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
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Some of you may remember this thread of mine from just about a year ago. "Elderly Man Defends Self in Home Invasion" Updated 4/22/2016.

This man lived in a fairly nice part of town, catercorner from a high end restaurant, lots of lighting and not a high crime area. He was older, about 80, if I remember correctly. Fortunately he was carrying even though he was at home, minding his own business.

I realize that he may have made some mistakes, but he is still alive.

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I usually carry at home because I pocket carry and when I go out, I don't want to go looking for it. I have a hard enough time remembering my cell phone, glasses and keys. I also have a couple of other guns at the ready around the house. I also have a couple of fire extinguishers around. I doubt I'll ever need the guns or fire extinguishers, but...well you've heard it before...
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#1, having a backup gun makes a lot of sense to me because if your primary gun goes down for any reason (fails during a trip to the range requiring a trip to the gunsmith) or you need to switch to another one because the one you're using has failed in the middle of an actual confrontation, NOT having it would be bad. 2nd, just because someone you live with has one doesn't mean it's yours. It's theirs and it's their responsibility to maintain control over it at all times including knowing where it is and preventing anyone who has not been expressly authorized to use it from doing so. Therefore, If you're going to have a backup gun, it can't be someone elses, right?

Last but not least, I've read about people who will EDC at home rather than hope they can get to the room with the gun in it in time if one (or more) assailants breach your windows or door, or (even more silly) hide one in every room. A full sized sidearm for OWB EDC at home isn't comfortable or always suitable (i.e., if you have company), so some people IWB EDC at home. Even if you might have a full-size firearm locked up bedside for when you aren't wearing it (sleeping in bed).

Do you? If so, how did you convince the person or people you live with the reasoning behind doing this?

I ask because I tried to have this conversation over the weekend and I got a lot of unexpected feedback. Like, "it's excessive" specially since it's just a two bedroom apartment, and like they're being policed in their own home. Reactions that struck me as very weird. I got questions like, "how many guns are enough?"

At the end of the day, while I am gonna have a spare, if these are the rules, then these are the rules and I'll follow them. But I was just shocked at the response my proposal to EDC at home received... We both have one, we've both gotten training, visit the range from time to time. I didn't think this was going to be that strange of a thing to want to discuss, but the reaction was pretty angry so I just wanted to share my story here and find out if anyone has had a similar experience and if they've ever come around?

What if your husband told you, "if you carry all day at home, I'm moving out."? Or wife for that matter?
To your first point, it's obvious that if the "other person" you live with has a gun in the house they want to be able to defend themselves if need be...and so do you. In the event of an actual home invasion it won't matter if you shoot the intruder with the other persons gun. It happens all the time. The teen in Oklahoma didn't own the gun that he used to kill those 3 intruders. It was ruled self-defense and the issue never came up.

The explanation of your living situation is rather "murky", so it's difficult to give a solid answer. Is the other person your wife, roommate, or someone renting the second room in your place? The answer to that question makes a big difference in determining how best to handle the situation.

Personally, I carry at home, though I live (my wife and I) in an area with almost no violent crime. Still, the question "what are the odds..." is irrelevant to me. The REAL question is - Is it possible that I could be a victim? To me it's no big burden to have my shield 9mm on my hip (or the table beside me), but if I am the unlucky one that the invader breaks in on, and I'm not able to get to my *off body* firearm quick enough....THAT could result in a big burden for my family.

There is a video I saw of a home invasion where the victims had friends visiting and they were sitting at the kitchen table having dinner. They were conscientious enough to have internal security cameras AND a HD firearm in the next room. None of that helped them when two unarmed intruders came in through the door wall screen and proceeded to beat both couples to death before robbing them. They never had a chance to get to their gun. What are the odds? Who cares. The possibility is why I carry at home.

Perhaps showing that to your friend might soften their stance on in home carry.

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I look at it kinda like wearing seatbelts in a car just going to the grocery near by. Chances are good I won't need them, but in that one in a whatever chance that I do need them I won't have time to put them on, and I'll sure be glad I had them buckled.
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I usually carry at home because I pocket carry and when I go out, I don't want to go looking for it.
On the flip side, I'd have to put a Post-it note on the front door, bathroom, refrigerator or computer keyboard to remind myself to disarm everytime I walk in the house. My method of carry is unobtrusive and I simply don't notice it through the day. When I walk in the house it's not like I feel the need to disarm myself from a bothersome carry gun... it simply isn't an issue on my mind.

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My wife and I had this discussion a long time ago. I told her that I carry because I care about her safety, which is true, and because I believe that it is a God given mandate that we are to be good stewards of all that he has entrusted to us, her primarily, and personal property a distant second. This is the same reason that I also carry in church, as a deacon, it is my calling and mandate to care for the personal needs of the church, security being one of those needs.

Since that discussion there has never been a problem.
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I pocket carry both inside and outside the house, I just slip it in my pocket while I'm getting dressed in the morning and so far no one has raised any objections.

FWIW, I live in a nice and very quiet neighborhood and for a while a few family members thought inside carry was a little excessive right up until our neighbors experienced a recent home invasion where they were forced into their own bathroom and thought they were going to be executed (they all survived but I think their sense of security is gone for good). Once the news was out the same family members were very interested in what home security measures I had in place and no longer thought inside ccw excessive.

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As I sit here there are 2 loaded pistols handy, in the bedroom there is a model 36 in my wife's headboard and a Glock 21 in mine. My wife has an LCP in her purse I have on in my pocket when I leave the house. There is a pistol handy in the living room. Overkill?? perhaps. Last year 3 elderly people near here were murdered. The women belonged to my wife's Woman's Club.
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I don't wear a gun in bed or sleep with it under the pillow.
I would get a new room mate / wife, this one isn't working properly.
My wife shoots better than I do, she doesn't give a darn what's in my pocket just as long as I'm glad to see her.
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