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View Poll Results: Have you changed your choice in carry arm in due to its value or replacability?
I have purchased a "disposable" handgun that I am not attached to. 33 22.60%
I am considering a "disposable" handgun that I won't be attached to. 8 5.48%
I will continue to carry my trusted S&W, despite it value or ability to replace. 44 30.14%
Never gave it a thought. 61 41.78%
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:15 PM
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There seems to be a common theme among many of the participants on this forum about choices in concealed carry sidearm so. A month or so ago, many people lamented that if they had to use their prized and cherished Smith, what would they do when it was seized and possibly never be returned. It got me thinking. Most of what I currently consider carrying are not easily replaced models, having been made in limited numbers or been discontinued for a number of years.

How many of the members here have either purchased, or contemplated purchasing, and "ugly" sidearm for concealed carry that they are not attached to?
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I carry a Glock 19. There are a million more just like it
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I have several Glocks, which I believe most folks would consider ugly. The Glock is accurate, reliable, dependable, affordable, and easily replaced. I think I am the only person on this forum that ever missed one; a Glock 31 that was stolen from me in 2011 and took me four years to get back.


Not long ago I purchased a nice, used Sig P250sc .40 S&W and have been toting it. I like it; no safety to fool with, repeat pull trigger, 10+1 capacity, simple to strip.


These two S&W 65's get carried more than my other revolvers.

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For "concealed" carry we're talking about pocket carry in a crowded public place in the Summer in Georgia! There is not a revolver suitable for that. I carry "junk" but dependable guns. The Ruger LCP being my first choice. Second choice is a Glock 380; but, it is a little big. . .still marginally acceptable. We don't wear a lot of clothes in Georgia when it's 100 degrees. If either gun were lost, I really wouldn't care. . .just buy another.
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No. The possibility that firearm used in lawful self-defense could be temporarily seized, held in evidence, and possibly mistreated by disinterested cops / evidence techs does not affect my carry choice. I carry everything from common Glocks to relatively rare or "high-end" Smith and Colt revolvers.

If one of my guns saves my life, it's resale value is of no concern because it's not going anywhere. Any battle scars it acquires along the way would just add character. As far as getting the gun back...I expect to get my gun back if it is used lawfully but understand that it may spend some time in an evidence locker.

On the other hand, I don't think about it very much. I've carried (on and off) for about 50% of my 42 years and never, not even once, had to pull or discharge a firearm in self-defense. Hope to keep that streak going. The thought of leaving my favorite guns at home causes more distress than the thought of having one seized temporarily. I really enjoy them for what they are, tools, as much as neat little machines, art.

**Note, if I have a few of a certain type of blued revolver...its the most "used" that is going into my sweaty waistband on a hot NC summer day, not the show piece.

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I have a private sale, but highly replaceable G26 as my carry gun.

I don't understand carrying irreplaceable guns, but to each their own. I know there are a couple gentlemen on here who occasionally CC Registered Magnums. That seems a bit like weekend racing a Ferrari 250 GTO, but again to each their own.
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I don't understand carrying irreplaceable guns, but to each their own...
Here's my thought on the matter...

I've bought a few fairly "irreplaceable" guns because I wanted to use them with a plan to use them, add wear and tear, and generally consume them to the extent one might expect through ordinary use. Resale was just not a consideration. I pay for the gun and get to use the gun. There might be nothing left when I am done.

On the other hand, I've got some fairly ordinary revolvers that have grown on me over time and have become irreplaceable (to me) by virtue of proving themselves or riding with me on various adventures or for extended times. One example is my 12-13 year old Smith 442. It has a couple thousand rounds down range, a good bit of wear, but has gone to a lot of places with me. In part, because I viewed it as expendable. It's one of those guns that I would back in my checked luggage, etc. It is easily "replaceable" by most standards. These days, I would not sell it for $2000.00, or more.
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My carry guns have a good bit of wear on them, but they were new at one point. They got that way because they are used for that purpose. So in a sense, I made them less valuable than my nicer pieces.
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My carry gun is a G17 I got in trade for a Remington 870. I would NEVER carry my .38/44HD because it is a priceless family heirloom in exceptional condition.
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If I were to lose the Sig P290RS or Glock 19, the "disposable" handguns I use for primary CC and HD, I could easily replace both. I'd rather not have to search for suitable replacements for some of my S&W handguns, especially since I'm retired and prices on those revolvers are going through the ceiling.
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Hey, that's why I got a back up ......................or two ..... five.


3913/14s to 3" 66s to PC Shorty 9s.....................hey' I know everyone can't afford it ..... I was lucky and a single lawyer....... also


most of mine were bought 20 or more years ago; when 3" 66's were $270 out the door...... and 3913 were $350 new.......

in the end; if they save my life....... ................................... money well spent.
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My first service revolver was a 19-7 that I bought in 1997. Around 2003/2004 it occurred to me that they weren't building Model 19's anymore, so I retired the 19-7 and replaced it with a 3" GP-100.
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I don't buy disposable firearms. That would be like a Hi-point right? I carry a relatively inexpensive pistol, Shield 9mm. I would hate to lose it, but it is easily replaced.
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My "disposable" guns are SW revolvers. Might as well go for trusted, beautiful, AND replaceable. A Mod 642 no dash and a Mod 19-4 snub both fit these requirements. The rest are for range/field and a few for the safe only.
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I consider virtually all common, cheap plastic handguns to be disposable just like my plastic razors, pens, sunglasses and hundreds of other plastic products. My all-metal guns? Not so much. Those took a while to acquire and some are pretty hard to find where I live.

Bottom line: I love my all-metal guns to pieces... but I pocket carry plastic.
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No. The possibility that firearm used in lawful self-defense could be temporarily seized, held in evidence, and possibly mistreated by disinterested cops / evidence techs does not affect my carry choice. I carry everything from common Glocks to relatively rare or "high-end" Smith and Colt revolvers.

If one of my guns saves my life, it's resale value is of no concern because it's not going anywhere. Any battle scars it acquires along the way would just add character. As far as getting the gun back...I expect to get my gun back if it is used lawfully but understand that it may spend some time in an evidence locker.

On the other hand, I don't think about it very much. I've carried (on and off) for about 50% of my 42 years and never, not even once, had to pull or discharge a firearm in self-defense. Hope to keep that streak going. The thought of leaving my favorite guns at home causes more distress than the thought of having one seized temporarily. I really enjoy them for what they are, tools, as much as neat little machines, art.

**Note, if I have a few of a certain type of blued revolver...its the most "used" that is going into my sweaty waistband on a hot NC summer day, not the show piece.
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It's not that I seek out inexpensive SD guns, but rather the guns that I belive well fit what I'm looking for tend to be under $500. Handguns like LCP, G19, 642, XDs. From .380ACP to .45ACP, I think are among best in class for my wants and purposes... size, weight, operation and reliability... regardless of price.
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All of my "carry guns" (polymer striker fired pistols) can easily be replaced.
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If I ever need a gun to defend myself or my family, the value of the gun is going to be way way down on my list right then. Want dependable and what I am really familiar with. So a S&W revolver. If there is any serious question about your actions they may just come to your house and remove them all anyway.

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I buy guns mostly for carry because they will do a good job in defending my life. I carry an LCR 357 and it never was meant to be a safe queen. $600 will replace it if that need be. Like some guy said the LCR 357 isn't pretty but it sure is a whole fist full of practical defense.
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I carry the gun I shoot best.

For me, that's a Colt Commander with a good deal of expensive custom work.

I won't compromise top performance by worrying about what happens to it after it's done it's job saving my bacon.
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When thinking about a gun to carry and possibly use to defend my life i do not worry about price, i worry about reliability and accuracy in MY hands. If i have to use my gun to save my own life, it being held in evidence would be the least of my worries. I love my S&W's but for now i Carry an HK P30. I'd rather have to buy a new gun no matter the cost than trust my life to something that might be unreliable for me.
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A carry a Glock 19. There are a million more just like it
My feeling exactly. I mainly carry a G19 and a G30S because they are stone cold reliable, simple, shoot well, and conceal very well. And, I lose zero sleep if anything ever happens to these guns. Plenty more where they came from, and not too big of a $$ hit! I've got some other 'nicer'/more expensive guns that I carry occasionally, but the Glocks are a great choice, IMO.

This said, I just got a Shield 45 with this coupon mania going on. So, I'll soon have another good (once I'm comfortable that it's reliable), concealable, simple, and yes, easily replaceable .45 carry gun...
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A few years back, I purchased a Kimber Ultra RCP II .45 (I'm an OLD 1911 guy!) and I really love this particular 1911. But, Georgia gets wicked 'Warm & Sticky' in the summer and in 2013, I elected to 'try' the Shield 9.... At that time, it was only available with the 'thumb safety' (which was just fine, for my 1911 'muscle-memoried' thumb). It was also lighter, more compact, equally accurate, equally reliable, and required much less maintenance (as well as costing only 1/3 the price of my RCP II!). I quickly named my newly purchased Shield ~ 'Ugly Gun 2' ~ ('Ugly Gun', having been many, many, years earlier given to my Smith Model 469, which was an early 9mm vs .45 ACP experiment.). Well..., I have to say that 'Ugly Gun 2' has certainly won its place in my heart, with its many attributes!! It has become my 'daily carry ~ go to' companion, loaded with Hornady rounds (back in my Model 469 experiments, you had to get an 'HP' round moving at 1000 FPS for reliable expansion ~ 'Super Vel' 95 gr. worked pretty well!). With the newer defensive loads available (with their 'short-barreled', 'cookie-cutter', expansion performance), I'm OKAY with my Shield 9! AND..., my Kimber RCP II..., WELL..., it serves as my 'dress-up ~ Special Occasion' companion. I do LIKE the newer Shield .45 (my good friend has one), but I would NEVER part with my Shield 9 (even as an OLD 1911 guy)!! Sorry to ramble! Be SAFE ~ Out There!! ~ Ron
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Here's my thought on the matter...

I've bought a few fairly "irreplaceable" guns because I wanted to use them with a plan to use them, add wear and tear, and generally consume them to the extent one might expect through ordinary use. Resale was just not a consideration. I pay for the gun and get to use the gun. There might be nothing left when I am done.
100% agree. If I buy a gun that is rare or valuable in order to actually use and make my own because that's what I want and enjoy, then the "perceived value" or "desirability" of it in someone else's view means nothing. I bought it to use as a tool and that's what I am going to do, for good or bad.

My main carry gun isn't listed in the poll, so I couldn't vote. I bought it LNIB, as it's the closet equivalent to factory new you can get when they don't make them anymore. I wanted to be the one to break it in and put honest wear on it so I know it's full history.

Fanboys value this gun really high, but it's not rare by any means and could be easily replaced with enough money. Why use such an expensive gun?, because that's what I have a passion for. So why not? If you're wondering what it is still, look at my avatar.

I carry it OWB/IWB concealed and have already started putting honest wear on it. Don't regret any value loss at all. When I am 70, I can only imagine all the "character" it will have. That means way more to me than any pristine safe queen because it has become a companion.

If it gets passed down to my future son someday then it should be even more special to him. If not, I am dead and I don't care if the next guy grumbles because I turned a valuable like new gun into shooter grade.

If by chance I have to use that gun in a self defense situation, then it will be the most cherished gun ever, granted it saves my life. I won't use deadly force unless absolutely warranted, so I have little fear of never seeing it again from confiscation.

My opinion, if you can't live by the above philosophy, then you should choose a different carry piece then.
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All my guns are older S&W revolvers. My next purchase is going to be a new, little S&W Airweight or something similar. I like them for defense because of the no exposed hammer, lightweight, tough, a revolver (might as well carry what I am comfortable with) and I will not be as attached to it as my others which I feel will actually be a positive.
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What I "think" I will be most effective with is my only criteria for EDC. My current (4th) EDC choice is because it's able to overcome personal shortcomings I've discovered when using certain types of handguns in a hurry.
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My Smith 360J and Ruger LC9s were both under $400 and are a available if replacement necessary. I'm pleased with both and would buy them again
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I don't loose any sleep over it. It's a gun. Bullet goes in one end and comes out the other, which is what I want it to do. Everything from revolvers to 1911 to Glocks and HKs and Sigs were bought for one reason for prize and cherish. To me the only thing that would kinda suck is the fact that I paid money for it and now I don't have either. But that's what it was for so it's not altogether unexpected. Further more I don't see ugly guns or beautiful guns. I see guns that work and guns that don't

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There seems to be a common theme among many of the participants on this forum about choices in concealed carry sidearm so. A month or so ago, many people lamented that if they had to use their prized and cherished Smith, what would they do when it was seized and possibly never be returned. It got me thinking. Most of what I currently consider carrying are not easily replaced models, having been made in limited numbers or been discontinued for a number of years.

How many of the members here have either purchased, or contemplated purchasing, and "ugly" sidearm for concealed carry that they are not attached to?
Never gave it a thought, and I am willing to lay significant odds that one of the pistols in my rotation ranks in the top ten for value of carry pieces carried by members of this forum. I carry it because it will go bang every single time . . .
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I've got a Kel Tec that's small and very light. I could throw it in a swamp and barely miss having it. I bought it for a stopgap gun.

Why would I want to throw it in a swamp?
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Everything that I carry is replaceable, don't really want to lose them but they are replaceable!
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If you use an expensive rare gun for EDC and have to use it for self defense, if you survive, the gun has paid for its self. Worth every penny. If you fail, you wont care.
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In the abstract, virtually everything is replaceable one way or another. So none of us should really care all that much or that deeply about our guns. Heck, isn't that why we are here discussing them all the time? Because we really don't care!
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If you use an expensive rare gun for EDC and have to use it for self defense, if you survive, the gun has paid for its self. Worth every penny. If you fail, you wont care.
I will second that thought!
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I get those who buy a decent mid price range gun because it is very effective, don't mind running a bunch of rounds through it, getting holster wear etc.

I also get those who spend serious money buying a top of the line gun, setup exactly the way they want it. Hey, when the job is defending your life you want the best tool.

I would wonder about who carried a registered magnum or the like. To many guns of very similar configuration to chose from. If your grandpa was a LEO and it saved his life, well maybe if your a bit superstitious.

I can't understand why some one would get a mechanically inferior model for a carry piece. If you ever really need it, $100 or even $1000 isn't going to matter right then. If it does end up in a =court case the cost of the gun isn't going to ba an important issue. Lawyers cost money, won't make much if you end up in the pokey etc etc.

I shoot S&W revolvers when I am shooting handguns. At the range, blinking etc. They are second nature to handle. Drawing, sighting, shooting, during recoil, reloading. For carry I have a 696, a 396 and now a 2 1/2" 325. None of them are cheap. My CA Bulldog is a good dependable gun, so is my Taurus 431. Both are going to be for sale.
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I've said this many times.

Having carried for more than 30 years and never pulling a CCW for self defense, I carry what ever gun I own whenever I feel like it. Take my chances on it going into evidence.

As I read it one post, if one of my guns saved my life and it cost me the gun. Wouldn't that be a small price to pay.
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The ONE and ONLY reason i changed my EDC, is the aforementioned CRAZY Georgia heat. I chose the shield 40 because it was slim, light, and made a "bigger hole" than the 9mm. (just being honest...) Now i just carry it everyday because its what im used to and comfortable shooting. That being said, if my choice of EDC would have cost 1k or better, it still would not have been a factor in my choice of a CC. It all boils down to what we are comfortable with.
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My cheapest firearm by price is around $450 for my S&W Compact in 40 .. my most expensive carry pistol is my Sig Legion 229 in 40 $1100 .. If either were to save my life and I didn't get them back in a good shooting it would be worth while as I could buy another just like it ..

But most likely in a good shoot you'll get the weapon returned after the case has been completely settled which could be months even over a year ..

I don't own a Safe Queen as some do But I wouldn't carry one if I did have one .. something that can't be replaced should be enjoyed but not abused as every day carry will do .. the little dings and holster wear that occurs carrying daily ..!!

But if you want a throw away .. A good carry at a low price and it not be a cheaply made pistol the way to go would be buying a police trade in .. $100 or more cheaper then new and are all reliable brands .. some have never been issued and are new in box ..
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I stated above about the guns I carry, 3 in a rotation as I feel needed.
Now I do have guns that I would be really upset about if they were stolen or lost to some other reason.
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I own a few that I don't carry by choice because they are very old friends and are semi-retired. They are not collectors or worth a huge lot of money. They have just earned their keep and retirement. I don't carry junk, even if it's reliable junk. And if what I carry saves my life or the life of someone important to me, then it also earned its keep! Well worth the cost!!
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"Ugly"
I would think appearance is the last consideration anyone would have in choosing a self-defense handgun. The only thing I can think of in the looks department is not to have the stocks, etc., embellished with skulls, grim reapers, or "Kill 'em All ..." type mottos. And that's only because such decorations are totally unnecessary and how they may look if shown to the jury in a civil case.

"Expendable"
Any gun is more expendable than I am. No one would say "Gee, I have a $1,000 handgun that is rock solid reliable that I am very proficient with, but I carry a $200 junker that I hope might work ok if I'm in a tough spot."
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I carry whatever I feel like.

My property rights are protected by state law and the U.S. Constitution. I don't worry about it a bit.
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I wouldn't say I agree with "ugly" and "expendable," but I think it makes sense to have a carry/self-defense gun that one isn't emotionally attached to (i.e., family heirloom) or is fairly easy to replace (i.e., Glocks), as long as the gun is reliable with one's chosen self-defense ammo and one can shoot it reasonably well.

My EDC is a 642-1. No real attachment for me. If necessary, I could replace it for somewhere around $400. I also have a back-up 642ND for it.

At the same time, having a $4000 custom 1911 is worthless if one doesn't know how to use it under stress or if it's a picky eater and chokes on one's chosen self-defense ammo in less than ideal conditions.

If someone wants to have a carry/self-defense gun that is more expensive, or has significant sentimental value, I see no problem with that, as long as the gun is reliable with one's chosen self-defense ammo and one can shoot it reasonably well.

I have a Beretta 92FS. I do have some sentimentality towards it as it's my first gun purchased over 20 years ago. But most of my early training was done with it, it's been reliable over 4k+ rounds, and I can shoot it well. I would probably carry it if I had a good holster and mag pouches, but for now it serves as my HD gun.

Short version: If you can shoot it well and it's reliable, carry/use whatever you want.
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I did have one taken as evidence, I was without it for a long time, it was a high dollar item. I missed it while it was gone. I wasn't worried about it being mistreated while it was in a evidence locker. (it wasn't) I just opened the safe, got out another one and carried it while I waited. When all was said and done I got it back and I'm still carrying it.
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Here in MA, if you're involved in any kind of gunfight it's very likely the police will show up and remove every firearm, cartridge, scope, hunting knife and related item from your place and you will be lucky to see any of it again. Most departments turn everything over to a bonded warehouse where the storage charges soon exceed the value of your guns. It's a rotten situation, but likely not your most important concern after an incident, especially a deadly one.
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I have never understood carrying or not carrying something due to value or ease of replacement. We are talking about you or your family's lives here; who cares about that!
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My rife and pistol are tools, I am the weapon. Tools are replaceable, I can get more.
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Here in MA, if you're involved in any kind of gunfight it's very likely the police will show up and remove every firearm, cartridge, scope, hunting knife and related item from your place and you will be lucky to see any of it again. Most departments turn everything over to a bonded warehouse where the storage charges soon exceed the value of your guns. It's a rotten situation, but likely not your most important concern after an incident, especially a deadly one.
You only forgot to add that you'll have your license suspended immediately and probably never get it back again due to "suitability"... so no more guns, no more self-defense, no more hobby, no more anything. Be prepared to take up bird watching or maybe knitting instead.

So when I say that I carry cheap plastic in lieu of a valuable, irreplaceable gun... it has nothing to do evidence lockers or losing the companionship of your favorite gun for 6-12 months. It's much simpler and more mundane than that. I just don't wish to drop, damage, lose or possibly have stolen one of my prized, costly, hard-to-replace-in-MA guns. No more, no less.
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What are the characteristics of that gun you don't want locked up in an evidence locker or possibly gone forever?
An expensive, well made, ergonomic, reliable and accurate gun that would be hard to replace?
Why is that? Because they are in high demand? Because of those attributes?
Aren't they the same descriptors of a gun you would bet your life on?
Isn't the fact that they are probably the best choice for self defense also the reason they are expensive and prized?
I would probably favor a family heirloom a little more, but then mine are all hunting guns and not carry pieces.
This is not to say that only expensive, hard to replace guns are best for defense. There are plenty of inexpensive, easily replaced choices these days that work very well.
But, if I trust and shoot my favorite pristine 2" model 19 or whatever, better than any other....that's what I will carry and rely on.
I can't take it with me.
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