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Old 04-20-2017, 05:49 PM
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Here's Paul Harrell, who is quite knowledgeable, on the subject.
He makes some excellent points.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:40 PM
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Nothing new. Nothing is a 100% and everything is a trade off. However, for me, untill revolvers are made with big enough grips to comfortably hold and conceal they won't be a serious consideration for me. Just last week I did both semi auto and revolver side by side.

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1) Gen 2 Glock 17. . Shooting Aguila ammo at 7 and 15 yards. First 5 shot group with one flyer. Second picture is from 15 yards.



2) G43 9mm. . Again, started at 7 The final target was at 12 yards. And a picture of the target at that distance. The last target picture is both boxes of ammo.



3) G23. Gen 4 First 5 rounds at 7 yards. Second 5 moved back to 10-12 yards. In the 3rd target I had moved all the way back and was trying to see where the POI/POA was..






4) 10-6 snub. shooting slow at 7 yards, in fact I never left the 7 yard line. Couldn't. Just look at the shot placements. Bummed and disgusted with that I moved to the 642.



5) 642. Not good either but not as bad as the 10.



6) The last one was the 13-2.





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Old 04-20-2017, 07:01 PM
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I do not think anyone would survive a couple of rounds on any target....just my thinking
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Given that most self defence shootings happen inside 7 yards, and the difference in sight radius between the semi's and revolvers, I'd not want to be on the receiving end of any of those barrels.

As a member of an "unarmed" police force (we do not carry openly routinely but have access to firearms) back in the mid 90's Ioften carried a 4" Model 10 under my duty jacket at night.

And no-one ever noticed it!

These days we have Glock 17's and rarely get a second look when carrying.

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Given that most self defence shootings happen inside 7 yards, and the difference in sight radius between the semi's and revolvers, I'd not want to be on the receiving end of any of those barrels.

As a member of an "unarmed" police force (we do not carry openly routinely but have access to firearms) back in the mid 90's Ioften carried a 4" Model 10 under my duty jacket at night.

And no-one ever noticed it!

These days we have Glock 17's and rarely get a second look when carrying.
I know it's a whole different topic but I read about the way NZ cops carry and it's definitely different and interesting

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Old 04-22-2017, 05:55 AM
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I was generally a revolver guy, but gradually became a fan of the 9mm Parabellum. When I first was offered a Browning High Power some years ago, someone on this forum posted a picture for me of a High Power next to a three-inch barreled K-frame S&W. It was an interesting comparison. They are about the same weight, overall length and height, but the HP holds 13 rounds and has no cylinder bulge. Grips fit about any hand and the gun disappears inside a waistband. The barrel is long enough to get decent power out of the 9mm and most loads fall midway between .38 and .357 in power with low recoil and blast. Browning and Saive knew what they were doing. The only power advantage to the K-frame is with full .357 loads, which are rough on your ears and hands. The revolver is probably more mechanically accurate in SA fire, but most shooters will find the HP a better shooter in real-world scenarios. Some revolver shooters can run rings around the majority of auto shooters, but I believe most of us mortals will do better with an auto. I certainly wouldn't feel under-armed with any decent S&W revolver in .38 Special or .357 Magnum, but I think I'm better served with either my BHP or my Glock 17L for field use. The 17L, BTW, compares to a four-inch barreled revolver in the same way that the BHP compared to the three-incher, except that it weighs a lot less, and has the sight radius of a six-inch barreled wheelgun (and 17 rounds, to boot plus the performance advantage of a 9mm from a six-inch tube).
Just some food for thought, and your mileage may vary!
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Old 04-22-2017, 04:23 PM
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For me the issue is crystal clear. I prefer the snubby to any semi-auto for the obvious reason there are no failures to feed... ever.

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Reading the posts above it seems to have come down to a debate between 38 revolvers and 9MM semi autos. I am a revolver guy and I also like the 9MM so I compromised.

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Old 04-22-2017, 07:36 PM
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Pretty dang good comparison of revolvers vs semi auto. I may not agree with it 100%, but very good video. It did make me cringe watching him put loaded guns in pockets without a holster.

Of course, I carry 38 Super...

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Don't forget Charter Arm's Pitbull in 9mm: it's actually available & REA$ONABLE..

Then there's the 40 S&W version Pitbull as well!

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I was told by a forum member on here that the cartridge that looks larger will always be more powerful and a better choice obviously in that theory 38 special should be at least 1.5x the power of 9

In all reality I will always choose 9mm over 38 unless I feel the need to put some mileage back on a revolver.

Federal HST puts 13-17" of penetration with amazing expansion in 9mm even with shorter barrels where 38 special seems to be a struggle to find a loading that has adequate penetration and consistent reliable expansion in a short barrel.

Don't get me wrong I am a fan of both
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