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I ran into a retired corrections officer that we go to same church. I told him once we got to know him a bit about our issuses with neighbors trepassing , petty theft , damaging, property the list is endless. Very small town and rural. He gave me some of the same advice. Cameras and lights . What stood out is he said you have to show the force. Open carry on your property. Make a point to clean your firearms where they can see you doing that. Example he said clean out in yard plain view. Also he said set up outside fireing range. I have looked into that via county and spoke to S O on that. I am getting a yes from some an no from others. My biggest thing I am not sure this type of show of force is good advice? Property is large wide open chain link fence rual. Your thoughts ?? P s I have aways been the conceal is conceal type carrier.
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Leave the " show of force ", to the local Police or Sheriff's office. They will know if it's appropriate. The lights and camera's is a capital idea however.
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I am in total support of any individual who carries a badge in any capacity. However, they are not the best source of legal information. Contact your local district attorney to determine what's legal and what isn't.

Displaying firearms may let the trespassers know where to go next to do a home invasion or burglary.

Is this still an issue on your property, or is the problem on your neighbor's place?

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The 'show of force' idea is flat out silly, dumb and stupid.

Lots of stuff can come of that notion ranging from nothing to very bad.

Threats with firearms don't come out well.
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I am in total support of any individual who carries a badge in any capacity. However, they are not the best source of legal information. Contact your local district attorney to determine what's legal and what isn't.

Displaying firearms may let the trespassers know where to go next to do a home invasion or burglary.

Is this still an issue on your property, or is the problem on your neighbor's place?
Yes me too in those that have been in any type of corrections. This is an ongoing issue on our property .After really thinking about the logic of what he said. I really dont think the force thing would work. The neighbor's all have had extended stays in jail per S . O. So the S .O. Know them all very well. This was the case way before us owning the property too.In the year we have owned it The Sherrifs office has been out to their place weekely to bi weekely in the year we have been here.They harbored a two time sexual offender and rapist. He got snatched up and out of their As of late.These folks dont fear S O.
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I agree with others that the show of force is a bad idea. Flaunting a gun is more likely to make neighbors worried than discourage bad guys. I live in a house that is surrounded by woods and clandestine approach to it would be easy especially at night. I have floodlights around the house exterior that are on motion detection switches. Our local night hunting foxes even set them off. I do not have cameras and feel they are unnecessary as a deterrent.

I clean my guns on the gun bench in the basement. I never open carry, and most neighbors have no idea I carry. I like it that way. Showing guns outdoors opens up a vulnerability. Bad guys cas the places they intend to break into. If they see you a gun or more, they are not coming when you are at home. They would wait until you were out and then break in to get the gun(s).
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Sounds silly to me. I wouldn't want that type to know I had a gun unless they were surprised to find themselves looking down the barrel of it, for some reason. Always best to keep quiet about your guns - especially around people you know you can't trust.
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My thoughts? The whole "show the force" concept is bad advice for a home/property owner. This isn't a national security issue here.

Do the lights and camera things, sure. But the other stuff? Forget it. The reasons should be obvious.
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Thanks to all so far Yes the retired corrections officer at church. Probably means well and after getting to know us he might have reacted more on get those bad neighbors.I am one to always sit back usally pretty quitely and take in all oppinions and advice. And then plan a logic based course of action.He did throw up a red flag about boobie traping the property. I cant help but think he may have been forced into a forced early retirement.
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Around here, you might go to a "corrections officer", (prison guard) for LEGAL advice; but only if at first you find yourself unable to discuss the situation with your first two choices, in this order:
A taxi driver,and a part-time roofer you hire at AA.
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Two possible outcomes.

A) It instills fear, and problem is solved. Or more likely: B) The situation escalates....he starts wearing & shooting guns, and sharpening knifes & such in plain view.

muuhahha...pits of punjisticks, & broken glass around all the windows... stuff of great lawsuits, me thinks.
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I feel for you. It's awful if you can't find peace at your own home. This will wear on you and drag you down. I am sure you don't want to hear this BUT, please, consider moving. This will not get better. You are dealing with people who have NO fear or respect for the law. I understand all the reasons you can come up with why you can't move but at some point you will be over the brink. A person can't take this at your own home, nor should you have to. The quicker you leave that Hell Hole the quicker you can start to TRY to forget about it. Again, so sorry you are having this problem. .....Alternative plan....buy them out!
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I've unfortunately inherited trashy neighbors. After a nasty divorce the house next door was given to the wife who moved out of state and now rents the house. She doesn't care what they do as long as they pay the rent each month.

The current batch of renters are a complete nightmare. One is a registered sex offender and to make it worse the offense was with a child. He was busted a few years ago and charged with trafficking prescription pain killers and got off with probation. They still sell drugs out of the house and the LEO's know it goes on. I've spoke with them multiple times and nothing ever gets done. The house is trashed and the yard is nothing but knee high weeds. Completely kills my property value so I couldn't sell and move if I had to.

My best advise is to photograph everything whether it's you with a phone or other camera or game cameras. There's no denying photo evidence. Every single time get the cops out there and show them the photo. Once they have been warned and it's recorded with the LEO each offense afterwards should be a trespass. Eventually the neighbor may get the idea that you're not giving up and stop the foolishness or the cops will get fed up dealing with it and put a stop to it.

This is basically what I've done and although I hate the sight of the garbage dump next door they know good and well to leave me alone. You're in a really bad situation and I feel for you. Hope you get things straightened out.
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Clean your guns in the front yard and all you're doing is showing me what's available to steal when you leave home.

The "family farm" is located at the end of the road in a very rural county. The county is 82 square miles. The Sheriff's office has three deputies who do patrol, so only one is on duty at any time and the Sheriff tells residents to "take care of their own problems". So, whenever I am on the property, I am carrying; sometimes concealed, sometimes open. But that is one gun. And it is stored separately from my others which are never intentionally displayed in the open unless they are being used.

Lights, cameras, a dog or two are the first line of defense.

Deadly force or the threat of it is always a last resort.
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...a part-time roofer you hire at AA.
Hey, I'll have you know I met a great roofer at AA.

The painter; well, that's another story.

But your point is well-taken, the first stop for legal advice should be an attorney.
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I ran into a retired corrections officer that we go to same church. I told him once we got to know him a bit about our issuses with neighbors trepassing , petty theft , damaging, property the list is endless. Very small town and rural. He gave me some of the same advice. Cameras and lights . What stood out is he said you have to show the force. Open carry on your property. Make a point to clean your firearms where they can see you doing that. Example he said clean out in yard plain view. Also he said set up outside firing range. I have looked into that via county and spoke to S O on that. I am getting a yes from some an no from others. My biggest thing I am not sure this type of show of force is good advice? Property is large wide open chain link fence rual. Your thoughts ?? P s I have always been the conceal is conceal type carrier.
I feel for you in that situation. Unruly neighbors can make life miserable. I had such a neighbor living above me in a condo that we own. We had 9 noise complaints filed against him in less than a year and a half. One night he stomped around over our bedroom at 2am, just after the police (which we called) had left. If he'd known I had a glock 23 on the nightstand that MAY have tempered his tantrum, but I'm way to civil to use it that way.

My wife convinced me that we should move out and lease the place. He did the same thing with our tenants and even stole from their locked storage area in the basement. That was the last straw for them and they moved out in the middle of their lease.

While waiting for the NEXT tenants to move in, I went by to meet a carpet cleaner. The idiot was exiting his car when I pulled up, and started mouthing off about all he was going to do to me. Normally I'd just walked away from him, but now I had enough and turned to face him. This startled him and he stopped in his tracks about 15' away, looked at me for a second, and then slowly reached inside his jacket as though reaching for a gun carried in the crossdraw position while saying "I'll shove this dessert eagle up your... Before he could draw I had cleared my cover garment and had a firm grip on the .40S&W I was carrying at 5:00. He DIDN'T REMOVE HIS HAND from inside the coat, I believe sensing that that movement would be the signal that caused me to draw and fire. He would have been correct.
Instead he chose to slowly back away and entered the building, after which I called the police - again.

Our next tenant turned out to be a State Correctional Officer, and there have been no more problems with the neighbor!

My suggestion would be to install lights and cameras (to record future actions) so you can provide "proof" of their trespassing, theft, etc., if needed. Also, a couple of nasty dogs would be a good topper. I DEFINITELLY don't like the open carry and cleaning guns outside ideas! Too much could go wrong there.
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If you do decide to get a dog (if you don't already own one) pick one that suits your personality.

Definitely keep an eye on your neighbors, that they don't try to interfere with him/her. You know, coaxing it with food, scaring it, shooting it with a bb gun, etc.
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Displaying a firearm with the intent to intimadate is a fool's errand. It will only invite the bad guys to do the same thing. Then what? Very bad advise and while I admire correctional officers they have never been cops or worked the street. Much different professions and I would not follow his advise.
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Get territorial watch animals. A farmer friend had nasty "watch" geese that would gang up on any unaccompanied visitor.
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"Show of force" can quickly become "brandishing a firearm" and you will be in more trouble than the low life's are..
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I feel for you in that situation. Unruly neighbors can make life miserable. I had such a neighbor living above me in a condo that we own. We had 9 noise complaints filed against him in less than a year and a half. One night he stomped around over our bedroom at 2am, just after the police (which we called) had left. If he'd known I had a glock 23 on the nightstand that MAY have tempered his tantrum, but I'm way to civil to use it that way.

My wife convinced me that we should move out and lease the place. He did the same thing with our tenants and even stole from their locked storage area in the basement. That was the last straw for them and they moved out in the middle of their lease.

While waiting for the NEXT tenants to move in, I went by to meet a carpet cleaner. The idiot was exiting his car when I pulled up, and started mouthing off about all he was going to do to me. Normally I'd just walked away from him, but now I had enough and turned to face him. This startled him and he stopped in his tracks about 15' away, looked at me for a second, and then slowly reached inside his jacket as though reaching for a gun carried in the crossdraw position while saying "I'll shove this dessert eagle up your... Before he could draw I had cleared my cover garment and had a firm grip on the .40S&W I was carrying at 5:00. He DIDN'T REMOVE HIS HAND from inside the coat, I believe sensing that that movement would be the signal that caused me to draw and fire. He would have been correct.
Instead he chose to slowly back away and entered the building, after which I called the police - again.

Our next tenant turned out to be a State Correctional Officer, and there have been no more problems with the neighbor!

My suggestion would be to install lights and cameras (to record future actions) so you can provide "proof" of their trespassing, theft, etc., if needed. Also, a couple of nasty dogs would be a good topper. I DEFINITELLY don't like the open carry and cleaning guns outside ideas! Too much could go wrong there.
Your mention of the last tenant being in law enforcement mirrors my experiences here. We had a local LEs home broken into and several guns, his badge, and some electronics stolen. He had it ALL back in 2 days. No arrests were made. Local LEs put 10 officers in a known drug area and told everybody they would go away when his items were returned.
The OP might want to enlist some local LEs and get this taken care of. It works.
I personally think this SUCKS! I told some local guys that if that had been my stuff, it would have been GONE!
First of all, what is a "known drug area"? If it's known, why can't they stop it? Making deals for no arrests?? Anyway, try to get some local LEs to take it on as a personal affront to their authority. Good luck.
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This is a great idea. The Chinese have used geese in this manner for centuries. I've been to houses that had some nasty large geese and they definitely are a deterrent. One drawback, is their droppings are large and nasty.
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I ran into a retired corrections officer that we go to same church. I told him once we got to know him a bit about our issuses with neighbors trepassing , petty theft , damaging, property the list is endless. Very small town and rural. He gave me some of the same advice. Cameras and lights . What stood out is he said you have to show the force. Open carry on your property. Make a point to clean your firearms where they can see you doing that. Example he said clean out in yard plain view. Also he said set up outside fireing range. I have looked into that via county and spoke to S O on that. I am getting a yes from some an no from others. My biggest thing I am not sure this type of show of force is good advice? Property is large wide open chain link fence rual. Your thoughts ?? P s I have aways been the conceal is conceal type carrier.


This is not a good idea and bad advice. Goes along with open carry anywhere. Don't advertise. Might as well stick a big S&W sign in the yard and one of those stupid "we don't call 911" signs.
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...a retired corrections officer...
Let's think about this for a minute. He used to be a prison guard. Therefore, his tactics are probably based on what he did in a prison. Inside a prison, a show of force is effective due to the clientele. It's what they understand.

Outside a prison things are different. As someone said, display of firearms in your yard can carry some very negative connotations. While those connotations may be what you're going for, it could be illegal.

No, I think your concept of "concealed means concealed" is the wise way to handle your guns. Cameras and police reports are the way to handle poor neighbors. Normally I would suggest just talking to the neighbors first, but it sounds like you're beyond that stage.
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"Show of force" can quickly become "brandishing a firearm" and you will be in more trouble than the low life's are..
After you let the guy get a good look at your guns, it will be easy for him to describe any of them when he claims you pointed one at him, even if you didn't.
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Let's think about this for a minute. He used to be a prison guard. Therefore, his tactics are probably based on what he did in a prison. Inside a prison, a show of force is effective due to the clientele. It's what they understand.

Outside a prison things are different. As someone said, display of firearms in your yard can carry some very negative connotations. While those connotations may be what you're going for, it could be illegal.

No, I think your concept of "concealed means concealed" is the wise way to handle your guns. Cameras and police reports are the way to handle poor neighbors. Normally I would suggest just talking to the neighbors first, but it sounds like you're beyond that stage.
Yes way past talking . When we moved in . That week I walked while mowing at the fence line just to introduce and s ay hello. I knew right then this wont work. I learned after the fact of buying that old owner used the property as a winter get away he is in new york. 11 months a year. We closed on property. With him being in New York . He never disclosed his problems till after closing. I called him





I first started haveing issuses. They are two homes on property . One up front and then a Cottage on the rear. Old owner told neighbors would squat on his property 11 months a year. Damage steal break windows and yes even stole part of the chain link fence. I did tell the neighbors after finding that stuff out. That the past is the past and I will not ever tolerate what previous owner went threw. Plus we are retired and here full time.This went on I am told for over 10 years. The pluse side I have meet a few neighbors across from us and nice folks for sure.
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The only way I will commit a "show of force" is for an extremely brief time before I fire the first round, and then only if I'm absolutely certain it's my only option to save my life.

I've never had to draw a gun and pray I never will. I damn sure won't sit around in plain view cleaning them.

What the corrections officer suggested is simply foolhardy. It's asking for trouble and it seems legally shaky as hell if the challenge is taken up. I'm sorry, but it sounds like big talk in the sporting goods department at Wal-Mart on a slow Saturday.

I'd talk to an attorney pronto if I were in your situation.
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You may call it "a show of force," but most law enforcement personnel will call it "brandishing."

From my experience, those who think they are "showing force," picture themselves like this:


Whereas, in reality, most people think those guys look more like this:
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He did throw up a red flag about boobie traping the property.
Throwing up a red flag???!!! D'ya think??? Boy!! That is the understatement of the year! My heck!!! If a retired corrections officer is giving you that kind of information, he's gotta be a half bubble off plumb, in my opinion. Geesh!! And if you even start to consider that kind of action for only a brief moment...well, I'm afraid you're asking for some real serious trouble. I'd listen to the majority of the comments already given and play this one smart.
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If a retired corrections officer is giving you that kind of information, he's gotta be a half bubble off plumb, in my opinion.
I like that..."a half bubble off plumb"...never heard that one before. I've saved it to my Phrases-That-Denote-A-Lack-of-Intelligence File.

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This is a great idea. The Chinese have used geese in this manner for centuries. One drawback, is their droppings are large and nasty.
Not a drawback...just another level of deterrence.

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Throwing up a red flag???!!! D'ya think??? Boy!! That is the understatement of the year! My heck!!! If a retired corrections officer is giving you that kind of information, he's gotta be a half bubble off plumb, in my opinion. Geesh!! And if you even start to consider that kind of action for only a brief moment...well, I'm afraid you're asking for some real serious trouble. I'd listen to the majority of the comments already given and play this one smart.
Yes he had some off the chart ideas for sure. Even the open carry I questioned him on the brandising . Also asked him again you do that every day in your yard? He said yes. I asked how do your neighbors feel about that? He said they dont have a problem with it. I never seen his place . He has alot more land than ours. We are at a lil over an 1.5 . hes has 5.0
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Motion lights and things of that nature. Showing off your firearms is a bad idea. Just tells them you have guns to steal. And that may escalate​ their petty stuff to full on B and E.

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What may happen in a corrections facility differs greatly from measures we can take in the outside world, at least for those of us who do not wish to become residents of said facility.

I don't live in a rural area, but have family that are rooted in rural communities and even have law enforcement experience in rural settings. There are at least two types of net-do-wells in the country (like there are in any neighborhood); those who grew up there and are multigenerational useless, and those who moved out of the big city to avoid social services, etc. The later can usually be persuaded to move again when social services or related entity obtains their current whereabouts. The former will take some effort.

I don't know how much you've discussed the issue with the Sheriff/command staff, but you should. They really need to be aware of the problems you're having with your neighbors. Typically, country thugs are engaging in criminal activity to support themselves; drugs, burglary, oil well engine theft, machinery theft, etc. Law enforcement focus on them might clear up some regional cases. These types of criminals tend to roam multiple counties.

Many rural departments don't have the resources to do much more than the basics, so keep that in mind. Several areas around the nation have grant-funded organizations that own, and can loan out tech and surveillance equipment to departments that don't have those resources.

I would suggest you talk to an attorney also, and not necessarily a local practitioner. But in the end. to deal with these folks, police and lawyers are going to need EVIDENCE. That's where your security systems, video surveillance, enhanced by good fencing and lighting are going to be necessary. Remember to make sure any surveillance footage gets uploaded into someplace other than the computer hard drive that they can steal.

Tom Givens is a long time respected national firearms instructor in the Memphis area. He publishes a periodic newsletter that occasionally includes tips on home defense. Set your search engine for him or Range Master. I access his newsletter through Greg Ellifritz' Active Response website. It's one resource.




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I've been to houses that had some nasty large geese and they definitely are a deterrent. One drawback, is their droppings are large and nasty.
That's not a drawback, that's an additional deterrent--"Don't Tread On Me."
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Yep - on a lot of levels. I'll admit to open carrying occasionally but usually it's out in the woods while hiking, hunting etc. or when just 'field shooting' which I do a lot. I have also open carried around my house and neighborhood but it is a rural area not uncommon to see. It's definitely not for a 'show of force' however and more likely I am trying a new holster, working on the gun or some other reason.
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What may happen in a corrections facility differs greatly from measures we can take in the outside world, at least for those of us who do not wish to become residents of said facility.

I don't live in a rural area, but have family that are rooted in rural communities and even have law enforcement experience in rural settings. There are at least two types of net-do-wells in the country (like there are in any neighborhood); those who grew up there and are multigenerational useless, and those who moved out of the big city to avoid social services, etc. The later can usually be persuaded to move again when social services or related entity obtains their current whereabouts. The former will take some effort.

I don't know how much you've discussed the issue with the Sheriff/command staff, but you should. They really need to be aware of the problems you're having with your neighbors. Typically, country thugs are engaging in criminal activity to support themselves; drugs, burglary, oil well engine theft, machinery theft, etc. Law enforcement focus on them might clear up some regional cases. These types of criminals tend to roam multiple counties.

Many rural departments don't have the resources to do much more than the basics, so keep that in mind. Several areas around the nation have grant-funded organizations that own, and can loan out tech and surveillance equipment to departments that don't have those resources.

I would suggest you talk to an attorney also, and not necessarily a local practitioner. But in the end. to deal with these folks, police and lawyers are going to need EVIDENCE. That's where your security systems, video surveillance, enhanced by good fencing and lighting are going to be necessary. Remember to make sure any surveillance footage gets uploaded into someplace other than the computer hard drive that they can steal.

Tom Givens is a long time respected national firearms instructor in the Memphis area. He publishes a periodic newsletter that occasionally includes tips on home defense. Set your search engine for him or Range Master. I access his newsletter through Greg Ellifritz' Active Response website. It's one resource.




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The S O know these folks real well. They have advised us in past that all residents at that house are mentally ill and all are felons. Robbery , Strong arm robbery,breaking entering assualt. They also harbored another felon there all last year . A sexual offender he did the same thing early this year rape a women at knife point. Car jacked an 18 year old girl at knife point. She jummped put put of the moveing car to get away from him. We had a ton of cops over there
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What may happen in a corrections facility differs greatly from measures we can take in the outside world, at least for those of us who do not wish to become residents of said facility.

I don't live in a rural area, but have family that are rooted in rural communities and even have law enforcement experience in rural settings. There are at least two types of net-do-wells in the country (like there are in any neighborhood); those who grew up there and are multigenerational useless, and those who moved out of the big city to avoid social services, etc. The later can usually be persuaded to move again when social services or related entity obtains their current whereabouts. The former will take some effort.

I don't know how much you've discussed the issue with the Sheriff/command staff, but you should. They really need to be aware of the problems you're having with your neighbors. Typically, country thugs are engaging in criminal activity to support themselves; drugs, burglary, oil well engine theft, machinery theft, etc. Law enforcement focus on them might clear up some regional cases. These types of criminals tend to roam multiple counties.

Many rural departments don't have the resources to do much more than the basics, so keep that in mind. Several areas around the nation have grant-funded organizations that own, and can loan out tech and surveillance equipment to departments that don't have those resources.

I would suggest you talk to an attorney also, and not necessarily a local practitioner. But in the end. to deal with these folks, police and lawyers are going to need EVIDENCE. That's where your security systems, video surveillance, enhanced by good fencing and lighting are going to be necessary. Remember to make sure any surveillance footage gets uploaded into someplace other than the computer hard drive that they can steal.

Tom Givens is a long time respected national firearms instructor in the Memphis area. He publishes a periodic newsletter that occasionally includes tips on home defense. Set your search engine for him or Range Master. I access his newsletter through Greg Ellifritz' Active Response website. It's one resource.




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The S O know these folks real well. They have advised us in past that all residents at that house are mentally ill and all are felons. Robbery , Strong arm robbery,breaking entering assualt. They also harbored another felon there all last year . A sexual offender he did the same thing early this year rape a women at knife point. Car jacked an 18 year old girl at knife point. She jummped put put of the moveing car to get away from him. We had a ton of cops over there
If you initiate a dialog with a representative of your sheriff office, it would promote cooperation. If they're not interested, at least you tried. Getting a dog and surveillance cameras are probably the best options, although you want the cameras hidden.

Call the SO each and every time they interfere with you and/or your property. Of course, protect yourself if you have to. I don't recommend open carry or a "show of force" because you lose the element of surprise. If you have to draw, be ready to follow through if necessary.
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Know the law in your state. Corrections officers are jailers and guards, not law enforcement officers.
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It sounds like the local LEO's are not doing their job! Probably due to funding. You need a friend in a position to get the locals to enforce the law or get the State involved. Just remember, when that is all over you will have no friends in county government (But it sounds that way now!) You are a outsider! The good old boys next door are locals (loco locals). Are the trouble makers doing this to any other locals, if not it seems you are on your own!

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In CA COs have LE status. But the point is well taken.
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I would suggest fences, and dogs. I have never been broke into, my neighbors had. I have always had dogs, he had none. It is no guarantee, but criminals like the easiest target. We did have a numpty try to get in a shed once, bad idea, he took a trip to the hospital.

As far as OC it is frowned on in Florida, and illegal off your property. In NC it is legal, and my wife, and I do it whenever we step outside the house, or where we go. We do not show off though, and neighbors are kewl. OC will deter a home invasion, again criminals do not like citizens with guns, unless they are stealing them.

That may explain the corrections officer advice. Florida did a study on inmates, and a large percentage stated they feared armed citizens. If they think you are home, they will stay away. If they know you are gone, they may try, as long as there is no danger of taking a trip to the hospital, or worse.

Criminals look for the soft target, easy job. If a person is easy, and they have something to steal, criminals will target you. Does not matter if you have guns or not. Which gets back to fences, and dogs. Just make sure there is more than one dog, and they are capable of the job. One dog is easy to defeat, more than one is a tad tricky.

I would suggest a donkey, but ya need several acres to keep them. They are an extremely good watch animal. They bay if something is wrong, and they kick with enough force to break bones.
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It sounds like the local LEO's are not doing their job! Probably due to funding. You need a friend in a position to get the locals to enforce the law or get the State involved. Just remember, when that is all over you will have no friends in county government (But it sounds that way now!) You are a outsider! The good old boys next door are locals (loco locals). Are the trouble makers doing this to any other locals, if not it seems you are on your own!

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You have indeed hit the nail on the head. One other thing I learn after the fact this neighbors home has been condemned snice 2001 with fines growing daily to over $65.000 last year.The county still letting them live there because its homstead. The most shocking to date was the Sherrif office to do nothing with the tolder runing around that junk filled yard dir
During a hurricane .The junk in yard prior to storm
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Can you provide supporting data please?
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Like others here... the show of force is not where I would go. I like the motion lights, cameras and I am a big proponent of medium to large dogs. Of which I have 2. Call the police when they step out of line. Do this a couple of times and then get restraining orders for them, just a thought, maybe this will slow them down some. The history is now logged... and who knows....
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I have never heard this before and, I too, would like to know what makes you think that.
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Wing, how far are you willing to go with this?

The property of a FL dwelling does not require "posting," although visible
"No Trespassing" signs will add legal weight to any trespassing charges.

Tell your pesky neighbor to stay off your property now and forever. Document by memo of record any and all violations and record/photo if at all possible. Press charges if need be. Empty threats are just that.

Mark your belongings in such a way you can identify them. That means tools, equipment, anything likely to be pilfered by the neighbor.

Fight back or allow it to go on. It's up to you to determine how big of a battle in which you wish to engage.

I would not follow the CC officer's show of force advice.
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