Watch this video link. If anyone thinks carrying with an empty chamber is a good idea and they think they'll have enough time to chamber a round. He's not aware he's got a problem and in the heat of things you're not likely to notice either.
Do what you want but don't think this can't happen to you.

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Oh, boy. Empty chamber carry? Jeez, I dunno. Might depend on if you're open carrying or carrying concealed. Also have to consider whether or not it's a fairly new gun or your trusty EDC that you're more familiar with. Might also depend on if you're carrying your bear gun and what caliber it is. Just so many variables. I'm looking in six other threads where this has been discussed to see what, if any, consensus was reached. I'll get back to y'all later with my expert opinion.

I don't plan on robbing a Jimmy John's.

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When ya ride that slide......Sometimes it fails to go into battery like that.

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I will admit that when I saw the video elsewhere my first thought was the empty chamber debate.

Then I stopped and asked myself "Self, why would you WANT to go online and post what amounts to a call out"?

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So, what would have you've done with a weapon at your head. Me
.. here's the money not worth it for a few bucks.

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Without getting into what the victim should or should not do, let's face it, nobody ever said criminals were bright. He rode the slide, he jammed the gun. That much is clear. But the reason the perpetrator carried that gun with an empty chamber is either (1) he is uncomfortable carrying the gun with a round in the chamber or (2) somebody told him it is intimidating to rack the slide. Not knowing any better, that was his choice.

But for the good guys, unless you practice, practice, and practice some more, carrying a pistol with an empty chamber will always put you in the predicament of having to add an extra step in a self defense scenario.

Too bad the clerk was not armed.

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Biy was the cashier calm or what!!! It's like he didn't even bat an eye.

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That employee needs to apply to the local PD or Better yet the Marines. Totally cool, boy has skills.

If, and that's a pretty big if, I had seen the malfunction, I would have taken the gun from him. But Rowlette's response is probably the best one.

On another discussion they suspected the cashier was high. Could be because he's freaky calm. Or maybe he's been robbed a bunch?

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Capt,


This lit'l deal happen some years ago....


Trooper going up to the house to serve an EPO (emergence protection order),
Male subject jumps the trooper, in the wrestling match the *** hole winds up with trooper's S&W pistol.



Trooper had the good luck of hitting the mag release and when the perpetrator tried to shoot the trooper,
no dice. Perp tried to rack the slide, giving the trooper time to draw and fire his BUG. Bad guy pronounced DRT.




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Visual confirmation gun tied up, step back while drawing. Straightforward. Joe

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Yup, personally knew 4 of our guys who were saved because the bad guy didn't know how to work a S&W auto or the Troop dropped the mag, either intentionally or by accident during the struggle.
Another carried his 459 with the safety on. He stopped a pickup which was occupied by 2 escapees from OK. They overpowered him, got his gun and tried shooting him. They kept racking the slide thinking the round was bad or not loaded. They then hit the mag release I suppose thinking it was a safety. After a few more tries they pistol whipped him and took off leaving his gun in a ditch. Lucky guy.
As far as some thinking they can always load an empty chamber without problems that's not always the case either. We carried our shotguns with the tube full but chamber empty. In the early 1980s one of our Troops had been jumped and taken hostage. The Troop was able to crash his squad and separate himself a bit from the bad guy. The responding Troop fired one round from his 870 while taking fire from the bad guy. While he was squatted down behind the fender he tried getting another round in the chamber but due to his squatted position and lack of ability to move he ended up short stroking the 870 and jamming it up.
Empty chamber carry works great at the range. Never had a paper target shoot back at me tho.

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Possibly better than alternatives, but I'd wager I can tap-rack-bang faster than you can draw from concealment.

I think I'd go to cover and draw.

Then again, that guy's weaksauce attempt at slide operation leads me to suspect failure drills are as foreign to him as the surface of the moon is to me.

+1👍

Laughing at oneself and with others is good for the Soul!😊

Carrying for personal defense with an empty chamber IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA. There absolutely no good reason to consider doing so.

Unless you are a perp - then it's a great idea! ...

The BG was about stupid from the word go. First the chamber was empty. Second he was lucky the round even chambered the way he was fumbling the slide. He stuck the gun right in the clerks face which the clerk probably could have knocked the gun out of his hand if he was quick enough. Not that I would have tried that but just saying it could have happened. Being calm got the clerk another day to live.

I watched the video again and most of the time the BG didn't have his finger on the trigger or inside the trigger guard. Good thing because the way he was waving the gun around it possibly would have gone off if his finger was on the trigger.

That horse must be beaten to a mass of mess by now.

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Oh well, what the hell.

I checked it again. From the time he racks the gun until he walks off camera, his finger was inside the trigger guard. It looks to me like it was on the trigger. The only reason no one got shot was due to the malfunction.

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Don't worry someone will step in here and tell you a failure to feed while racking the slide will never happen to them.

Or that racking the slide of a shotgun is so intimidating it will give the criminal ptsd

Your prediction is probably accurate. But it won't be me.

Bingo!!!!!

My guess is all the clerk saw was the big hole pointed at his face!!!!!

Cool response from the Clerk........ "You want fries with that?"

Can not wait for your "expert opinion"

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Nothing like a revolver for concealed carry, the no-nonsense mechanics will never let you down. I have a Ruger LCR for concealed carry and it's so simple, pull the trigger, pull the trigger, etc .

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...or trained how to disarm.

Agreed. But you are trained...most are not.
The thief provided SEVERAL good opportunities for a disarm.

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One thing I learned during my career in the Marines was to take cover as quickly as possible and then shoot from cover. No cover? Then go into kneeling position with weak side leg pulled in close to your chest to protect vital organs as much as possible. Th
Then shoot until the threat is neutralized. Made it through 4 years in Nam in Recon. Can personally attest to the validity of what I was taught.

Theoretically the perp can shoot you faster than you can kneel, however you present a suddenly diminishing target, and that is distracting to all but the highly competent shooter.

Consider this. You cannot out draw an already drawn gun. You can and should minimize the odds of you getting killed. It is better to get wounded than killed. I can testify that getting shot at is bad, getting shot is worse, and getting killed is the worst. Fortunately I never experienced the worst case scenario.

Without a a chambered round you are drawing nothing more than a club.

The clerk looked more annoyed than anything... Might have been because he had to put that stupid latex serving glove on for nothing. Notice how he tossed the glove and hit the trash basket at the end of the video, pretty good considering what he just went through; calm nerves/skills!

I'm sure the robber, a gentle giant, really, is a good guy, and was just trying to get book money for the college he is planning on attending in the near future.

Empty chamber = don't even bother carrying a gun. Real world is a lot different than at the shooting range...

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