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An Amateur’s Guide to Carrying a Gun | chrishernandezauthor.

Chris is well thought of by people I know who are very savvy, and this is a good set of points about the realities of deciding to be armed.
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I was a working cop for 30 years, am a gunfight survivor and every word in this article is absolutely true. For a variety of reasons I'm limited to a small .380 or J frame for EDC but I always carry spare ammo. If things were different, and I was younger (70), I would carry a service sized weapon w/at least one reload.
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On a day in, day out basis, for lots of reasons, I carry a G33, mostly in a pocket holster. It is a tactical compromise, but I gave thought to it. I carry a spare mag and a flashlight, too. My dress clothes (one of the reasons for pocket carry) are all reinforced in the LF pocket (carry pocket), as are the right side outer pockets of my suit coats (for the mag and light). That's what I consider minimal for a relatively low threat setting, which means not leaving the 'Burg and only going to and from work and related errands.

When I had to go to Yakima a couple days ago to get my car serviced, I went with one of my G17s with chopped grip and a spare mag. I would have had other firearms in the car as I do any other time I leave town, but I was leaving it in the hands of the dealer. I do not normally go to Yakima if I can avoid it, of course, and the dealer is in a pretty sketchy area (which is most of the city now). A friend's office is near there and there was a drive-by at NOON on a week day recently within a hundred feet or so of her office. When Bozo (avatar) was alive, he went with me and waited in the car. The muzzle was not for show; he wore it any time we left the property unless he was in the car. He was a Rott X Fila and had the Fila's temperament - loved us, hated and was a true danger to everyone else. An unholy pain in the backside requiring total attention when out, but I do miss him.
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Good article! Thanks for posting Doug!
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I think he could've done well to discuss the importance of a proper belt, and spent some time talking about holster materials (leather, Kydex and its clones, and Nylon/Cordura). And for that matter, I feel that he should have pointed out how a poor-quality holster can make carry less safe. But all in all, not bad.
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The guy comes across as someone who knows what he is talking
about. Good stuff for the most part.
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Interesting article but I need to read it again when I am more awake.
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Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed reading it, thought it was very good.
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Very good article and agree with 99% of it. I choose my ccw every day based on my potential threat level. If I'm going out to mow the back pasture..I'll pocket carry something small or fun..just because. If I'm going into the chity..I'll take something more substantial.(640 or G43) If I'm walking into battle I will be armed with a long gun.
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Overall, a good read.

But: putting Ruger in the same category as Hi-Point?

My Ruger Redhawk costs 900 bucks. Match Champions are in the 750 range. Does Glock even make a 900 dollar pistol?
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Near the end of the comments, "Sherm" notes the Safariland ALS holsters are very positive and secure (and reasonably priced) retention holsters. When Oklahoma CLEET added retention holsters to the state pistol carry class curriculum, I chose the ALS as a good example.
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Great articled and one to pay attention to. Thanks for posting the link to it.
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The "BECAUSE THINGS GO WRONG" section of the article makes the case for revolvers having fewer failure types than pistols.

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In "We Were Soldiers," Sgt. Maj. Plumley said, "if the time comes I need one [an M-16], there'll be plenty of 'em lyin' on the ground."

Now, in certain places, if the time comes you need a gun, just grab the one sticking out of the pocket of the idiot in line in front of you at McDonald's.*

While I much prefer it when people who want to can carry without blowing some government bureaucrat, there will be those who do so without adequate knowledge, training, education, or common sense. When such people are encountered, best to just leave the area.

Perhaps the NRA could have a new Eddie Eagle video: "If you see an idiot with a gun, leave the area." Note, I left out tell an adult, for obvious reasons.

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Overall, a good read.

But: putting Ruger in the same category as Hi-Point?

My Ruger Redhawk costs 900 bucks. Match Champions are in the 750 range. Does Glock even make a 900 dollar pistol?
He pretty much lost his credibility with that one. But we're all experts on the internet.
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He pretty much lost his credibility with that one. But we're all experts on the internet.
Not to defend the guy--he's not that great--but here's what he actually wrote.

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And then there’s your budget. There are many reliable, outstanding pistols on the market like Glocks, Sig Sauers, Smith&Wessons, H&Ks and others, but they’re not free. If you can’t afford a quality pistol you may have to get something cheaper like a Ruger, Jennings or even a [shudder] Hi-Point.
How is that "putting Ruger in the same category as Hi-Point"? It's pretty clear he's writing a descending list by budget.

And yes, Ruger's CCW-oriented offerings are budget-conscious, to put it charitably.

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Because an all-steel revolver and a polymer-framed striker-fired pistol do not cost the same amount of money to make?
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"If you can’t afford a quality pistol you may have to get something cheaper like a Ruger, Jennings or even a [shudder] Hi-Point." I read that pretty much as it's written. He put "Ruger, Jennings, and Hi-Point" in the non quality pistol category. He didn't write "inexpensive" or "less expensive" he chose to go with "quality" implying the others weren't quality.
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Not to defend the guy--he's not that great--but here's what he actually wrote.



How is that "putting Ruger in the same category as Hi-Point"? It's pretty clear he's writing a descending list by budget.

And yes, Ruger's CCW-oriented offerings are budget-conscious, to put it charitably.





Because an all-steel revolver and a polymer-framed striker-fired pistol do not cost the same amount of money to make?
"If you can't afford quality, then you can by a Ruger, etc., Hi-point".

He makes at least two categories: quality vs. non-quality. He puts Ruger in the non-quality category, along with jennings and hi-point.

This is a pretty straightforward reading comprehension issue.

As to the all-steel revolver point you made: Rossi makes all steel revolvers for under 300 bucks: cheaper than a polymer glock. So yes, some all steel revolvers are cheaper than a glock, and Rugers do not fit that category.

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But: putting Ruger in the same category as Hi-Point?

My Ruger Redhawk costs 900 bucks. Match Champions are in the 750 range. Does Glock even make a 900 dollar pistol?
I don't think he was referring to the RedHawks or Ruger revolvers. Also, it's not the price of the gun that's important. Like he said, and I'm paraphrasing.....if you carry then you have to practice a lot. How often do you carry and practice with the Redhawk? Not every gun fits into all categories

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I don't think he was referring to the RedHawks or Ruger revolvers. Also, it's not the price of the gun that's important. Like he said, and I'm paraphrasing.....if you carry then you have to practice a lot. How often do you carry and practice with the Redhawk? Not every gun fits into all categories

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Fair enough. Instead of being wrong, he was just imprecise with his writing.

Suppose I were writing a piece on automobiles, and I said, 'You could buy a quality car like a Mercedes or a BMW, or you can go cheap and get a chevrolete.' That's an imprecise use of language, since the corvette isn't a cheap car buy most standards.

The reply? 'Well, he wasn't referring to the corvette'. My reply? 'Well, precision in language is very important...the difference between "George Washington" and "George Washington Carver" is all the difference in the world.'


I practice with the redhawk regularly, and I carry it frequently.

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The "BECAUSE THINGS GO WRONG" section of the article makes the case for revolvers having fewer failure types than pistols.
IMHO you make a great point. I watched several of the security camera videos on Youtube. I don't know if these were representative or whatever but I came away thinking that in many cases there will not be enough time for clearing a malfunction. Many incidents were over in two or 3 seconds tops.
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Fair enough. Instead of being wrong, he was just imprecise with his writing.

Suppose I were writing a piece on automobiles, and I said, 'You could buy a quality car like a Mercedes or a BMW, or you can go cheap and get a chevrolete.' That's an imprecise use of language, since the corvette isn't a cheap car buy most standards.

The reply? 'Well, he wasn't referring to the corvette'. My reply? 'Well, precision in language is very important...the difference between "George Washington" and "George Washington Carver" is all the difference in the world.'


I practice with the redhawk regularly, and I carry it frequently.
What he's talking about are typical carry guns since this is about self defense and carry. Which is why you also don't see any mention of 22lr, Desert Eagles, SAA, and many others. And he did mention he's not good with revolvers. He's talking about semi autos.

To use your example. It's like saying BMW M5 and Corvette make good race cars but a Corolla isn't. Then you asking what's wrong with my Toyota GT-one

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What he's talking about are typical carry guns since this is about self defense and carry. Which is why you also don't see any mention of 22lr, Desert Eagles, SAA, and many others. And he did mention he's not good with revolvers. He's talking about semi autos.

To use your example. It's like saying BMW M5 and Corvette make good race cars but a Corolla isn't. Then you asking what's wrong with my Toyota GT-one

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A Ruger Wiley Clapp and the SR1911 commander, in the 700 dollar range, *are* typical carry guns. Cheap they are not.
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When Mr. Hernandez wrote, "So instead of carrying a rifle, you should carry a pistol. Pistols are inherently underpowered, have limited ammo capacity, and are relatively inaccurate due to their short barrels. But they’re the most practical self-defense weapons we’ve got."


It kinda dulled my interest right there.
We all know barrel length does not directly affect accuracy....
Only the users abilities affect the accuracy of a firearm for it's intended use.


But to the author credit he did title his piece purty much on the money,

" An Amateur’s Guide to Carrying a Gun"




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That is sooooo true! I spent decades in the military reserves and even my brief active duty time in the Army DID NOT INCLUDE HANDGUN TRAINING. I knew a great many military people who never handled a handgun. But every time someone hears about my military background they just assume handgun proficiency comes with the DoD identification card. I do have both but they are NOT connected!

As to the Ruger controversy, my reaction was that the author was talking about the inexpensive LCP or maybe LC9 or similar small, less expensive Ruger products compared to many other companies' products. He was definitely not referring to 900 dollar Redhawks that are not typical concealment weapons.

And I know this might come as a shock to many of you but a Ruger 1911 or almost any 1911 except a small Kimber or SIG or similar are NOT typical concealment weapons. Well trained pistoleros might carry service sized or Commander sized 1911s but the average concealed carrier of a handgun is NOT going to carry a large single action auto. I have a fairly large assortment of defensive handguns and I save the single action guns for the range as a rule. I won't carry one. Period. At one time I did; I got over it.

I rarely see a single action auto in any concealed carry class that I teach. Your average concealed carry person doesn't want to deal with cocked and locked. YMMV; I am not the average shooter and I refuse to deal with it as well.

Overall, I would give the author of that excellent discussion an A-.

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"If you can't afford quality, then you can by a Ruger, etc., Hi-point".
Where does he say that?

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Suppose I were writing a piece on automobiles, and I said, 'You could buy a quality car like a Mercedes or a BMW, or you can go cheap and get a chevrolete.' That's an imprecise use of language, since the corvette isn't a cheap car buy most standards.
I would actually agree. In order to match the performance of a base Corvette, you'd need an SL65 or an S63--both of which MSRP in the $145k-$155k range, or roughly three times the price of the Corvette. Hence, the Corvette is cheap.

Here, maybe pictures will help. Below is a little snap from Top Gear. On the left is an Aston Martin Vanquish. In the middle, a Lexus LFA. To far right, a Dodge Viper.



The Viper is the fastest of the three, and like the Corvette/AMG comparison, you can buy three Vipers for the price of one Vanquish or LFA.

Hence, it's cheap.

Or is it really that important that the word "Ruger" is never mentioned in the same breath as "Hi-Point"?

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Is the Rossi of the same quality as a Glock? Does it carry the same warranty?

Or how about the real elephant in the room--the DA revolvers sold under the Rossi name are manufactured by Taurus. Would you compare a rebranded Taurus to a Glock?

Me, I think Ruger's steel offerings are decent-enough. Utilitarian, a bit like the Glock. In other words, you do lose a little something not getting a Smith. I'm not a big fan of their 1911s, although I know some are. The price differential between them and an entry-level Springfield isn't enough to justify the trade. To be fair to the Ruger, however, the Springfield frames are made in Brazil (by a high-quality manufacturer, not by Taurus) and the gun is simply assembled here. The Ruger is fully American-made, which of course carries a cost.

I definitely think that the polymer Rugers leave something to be desired, especially the LC9 and LC380. But again, the LC9 is marginally smaller than the late-to-market Glock 43, and size does require compromise in reliability, even today.
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Great read. I love the picture of the 2 idiots at chipotle with rifles. Reminds me of idiots on youtube walking around with rifles just to get reactions from citizens and police.
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Excellent article. Thoughts that can be expanded on many times and I like the author's writing style. I'll still pass on appendix carry; "you'll shoot your wiener off kid".
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:36 PM
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Where does he say that?


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An excellent article. But for myself after 35 years of carrying a revolver, I carry my S&W Shield IWB, AlienGear Cross draw. I don't plan to outdraw anyone to be sure. I can draw swiftly but in today's situations, it is more important to seek cover before you engage, if possible, while assessing the danger or safety of engaging or not. I mentioned AlienGear holsters . They do not advertise any holster for Cross draw but I have found mine works well for that and have told them so. Cross draw permits me to conceal, and protect my weapon with my weak hand, which also helps conceal the pistol by blocking the view or protecting from disclosure when in close personal social contacts when greeting friends. Here on the Southern Border it is customary to greet by 'hugging".The pistol is also concealed from being taken from behind where it is in danger when on the right side. Of course as the article stated each of us must determine what is the best for ourselves, along with which weapon we carry and the position. I wish all of you good luck and pray that we will never have to resort to engaging in any selfdefense actions.

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Excellent article. Thoughts that can be expanded on many times and I like the author's writing style. I'll still pass on appendix carry; "you'll shoot your wiener off kid".
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"Now, in certain places, if the time comes you need a gun, just grab the one sticking out of the pocket of the idiot in line in front of you at McDonald's"

I had no idea another forum member frequented the McDonalds near me.
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I'm going to take my LCP home and cry for a while...
Meh, good point, although I still didn't take it that way. And my opinion on the LCP is well-documented
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I thought this was a thoughtful, well written piece, regardless of any "controversy" it stirred up.


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The article was interesting reading.

The posts from members were also interesting, showing the members loyalty to there gun choices are strong and personal.

I personally say I will continue to CARRY my RUGER LCR 357 because when I pull the trigger it goes BANG.
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...that the only good reason for carrying a gun is self defense. Not to impress, intimidate, giving a feeling of power orto settle disputes like I'm afraid that many people do.
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