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A five year old girl was mauled today by up to six pitbulls in Detroit. She is hospitalized in critical condition. This has become an all too common occurrence and is the reason I sometimes carry a glock 23 and spare MAG when it's necessary to go there.

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What the heck is someone doing with six pits and why were they loose?
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A five year old girl was mauled today by up to six pitbulls in Detroit. She is hospitalized in critical condition. This has become an all too common occurrence and is the reason I sometimes carry a glock 23 and spare MAG when it's necessary to go there.
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What the heck is someone doing with six pits and why were they loose?
..it may have been a pack of strays. They have a big problem up there with dogs roaming unchecked.
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It doesn't matter where you are, there are a lot of aggressive dogs out there. Two years ago I started walking for exercise, often with my 24 lbs. cocker mix. This year a new dog showed up behind a fence in a home that I believe is a rental. A big fluffy white dog that looks to be in the 120-140 lbs. weight range and I suspect an Akita mix. Also a dog that is very close to gaining the ability of climbing over the fence that is supposed to contain him. Now when I am planning on taking that particular round I have a 45 ACP Commander in my IWB holster AND a Ruger LCS9 in my right front pocket. I've also taken up walking on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street just to gain an additional 30 feet of separation. As they used to say on Hill Street Blues "lets be careful out there".
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Pepper Spray saved me. I was in Fl. For the Winter. Out for a walk and I here growling behind me. A big mix bread dog started circling me and growling. I like dogs and don't want to shoot anyone's dog. I gave a short blast of pepper spray. It was the first time I used it and missed. The stream went over his head. But, that one blast was enough. His eyes got big and he started to cough and sneeze. I got out of there as he just looked at me with a " what did I do ?" Look.
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Prayers for the little girl and the families.

Out at the farm I carry open G 19 with spare mags. I've heard packs of wild dogs roaming nearby often out there.

I've even given the neighbors aggressive dog a warning shot in my own back yard.
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I shot and killed my neighbor's dog as it was killing my chickens. I used my model 63, the dog saw me and the revolver and took off at a dead run. I made a beautiful shot, leading the dog as I would a quail or dove, hit him in the ***. He went home and died on the neighbor's porch. I love dogs, but had told the neighbor on numerous occasions to keep it off of my 24 acres. He ignored me and let the dog run free. As is common animals pay for their owner's stupidity, my chickens and his dog. One should protect themselves from any aggressive animal, be it a dog, cat, raccoon, etc. In Detroit you most likely cannot carry a firearm, so I recommend Pepperblaster II by Kimber over pepper spray.

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Terrible.

A few years ago I was walking around my neighborhood (rural area, housing development) with my wife, my 2 year old in a wagon, and my dad. I was open carrying a .44 magnum single action Ruger, loaded with 240 gr. hollowpoint full magnums.

A large and known to be aggressive rottweiler came out of his yard and stood 25 feet in front of us. My hand went to the .44 magnum, and the owner called the dog back. We crossed the street, my hand on the .44 the entire time.

The guy and his dog moved less than a year later.
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..it may have been a pack of strays. They have a big problem up there with dogs roaming unchecked.
They do have a big problem with roaming packs of dogs, but in this case all six lived at the house where the attack took place.
Ironically, the house next door ALSO has six pit bulls!

The last story I read said that Detroit had in excess of 200,000 pit bulls in the city, some with owners, and many roaming free.

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If you have a valid CPL you can carry in Detroit. In fact, the Police Chief encourages it!

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Terrible.

A few years ago I was walking around my neighborhood (rural area, housing development) with my wife, my 2 year old in a wagon, and my dad. I was open carrying a .44 magnum single action Ruger, loaded with 240 gr. hollowpoint full magnums.

A large and known to be aggressive rottweiler came out of his yard and stood 25 feet in front of us. My hand went to the .44 magnum, and the owner called the dog back. We crossed the street, my hand on the .44 the entire time.

The guy and his dog moved less than a year later.
He probably moved because he had no intentions of being a responsible owner and now YOU made it apparent that it might cost him his dog.
Good for you.
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They do have a big problem with roaming packs of dogs, but in this case all six lived at the house where the attack took place.
Ironically, the house next door ALSO has six pit bulls!

The last story I read said that Detroit had in excess of 200,000 pit bulls in the city, some with owners, and many roaming free.



If you have a valid CPL you can carry in Detroit. In fact, the Police Chief encourages it!



He probably moved because he had no intentions of being a responsible owner and now YOU made it apparent that it might cost him his dog.
Good for you.
Prayers for the little girl. I wonder what they have in those houses, where they feel like they need six pit bulls to protect it?
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I pray the little girl recovers fully and that she is not traumatized for life. I hope she can someday know the love of a good companion dog.
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I really hate to see a news article or forum thread titled like this one. It should read "Another moron who shouldn't own a dog".

Pit bulls have really gotten a bad rap. Look at most of the fools that own them. The dog is just a status symbol for the owner who wants a dog everyone fears. Back in the 70's it was the Doberman, in the 80's it suddenly became the Rottweiler and now in the gangsta era it happens to be the pit bull.

Of my five dogs the pit bull is the least likely to bite anyone or anything outside of a good chew bone. She is one of the most docile dogs I've ever owned. Why? She had a proper upbringing unlike so many of the dogs you hear about on the news. Unfortunately this stereotype follows her anywhere I take her as most folks will avoid her like the plague. I've only had a handful of people ever ask if they could pet her. On the other hand, my little shaggy mutt has people just walk up and pet him and he is the most likely one to bite. Go figure.
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It's not the breed, it's the owners. The breed is easily trained to be vicious or aggressive. Sometimes they can get riled easily but a good owner can control that. A friend of mine has a beautiful pit on his ranch and when he gets to growling they speak to him in a monotone and ask him "what would a good dog do?". That embarrasses him and he lays down, quietly. Good training makes for good dogs.

My Staffordshire mix and German Shepherd mix are incredibly sweet. That's how they get treated and they respond in kind. You can own one dog, six, or sixty - if they are treated correctly and know who is in charge they won't get aggressive.

This idiot owner was already warned according to the story so he knew he had trouble in his pack. He ignore the warning - I bet he loses all of his dogs, not just the one or two that attacked the little girl. He might even get some time in the grey bar hotel. Richly deserved.
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Yeah, they are great family dogs alright. Sorry, but with my experience, I don't like the breed nor do I trust it.
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If you don't control your dog at all times......oh well.
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I think dogs are like kids. If they are raised right they turn out fine. If they are neglected and abused then ..................
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I'm in random people's houses every day at work. I encounter at least one (1) pitbull a day, not including the two (2) we own. All of them just want to lick me and be petted. I never had any issues with any pits. I did have a Pomeranian bite the back of my pants leg, but my boot protected my ankle. My fiance's parents have a shihtzu that is notorious for nipping at her parents and my fiance. It tried to nip me once, but a hard smack on the top of its head ceased that behavior towards me immediately. I also have had a lot of chihuahuas and little white fluffy things growl at me. I'm not a fan of little dogs.
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People don't want to socialize their dogs and treat them as pets. Neither will they respond to orders to keep them contained. Or that even good natured dogs can adopt pack behavior in an instant they are associated with a group of unontrolled animals. The owners want them to act like junkyard dogs so that nobody will mess with them. The downside of this is that their dogs look at any other pets, children and people in general as intruders and fair game.
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In the Stockton CA area about a year ago we had problems with a good-size pack of dogs, mostly pits, attacking people and dogs. City and county animal control got together and chased them down and caught them. To some extent dogs are like people, when they become a back they become aggressive and unaccountable.
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I really hate to see a news article or forum thread titled like this one.

Indeed. It just sets my teeth on edge. "Pit Bull" isn't even a correct term regarding dog breeds. Fear and ignorance about some of the most abused and neglected dogs in America, the American Pit bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier.
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I'm not saying that all "Pit Bulls" are bad, but dogs are predisposed to do what they were bred to do. As an example, every morning my Shetland Sheepdog used to herd me out of the bedroom.
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Indeed. It just sets my teeth on edge. "Pit Bull" isn't even a correct term regarding dog breeds. Fear and ignorance about some of the most abused and neglected dogs in America, the American Pit bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier.
A rose by any other name . . . still has the same stickers.

Raised well, badly, or otherwise, should a pit decide to bite down on you, its instincts will take over.

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I'm not saying that all "Pit Bulls" are bad, but dogs are predisposed to do what they were bred to do. As an example, every morning my Shetland Sheepdog used to herd me out of the bedroom.
Our 45 lbs female pit and 85 lbs male pit are both terrified of my fiance's parents' 3-legged shihtzu. I'm afraid to know what shihtzus are predisposed to do.
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The problem is not the dog. It's the idiot who owns it and lets it run. Any breed of dog, even your cute little fluffy ball of muskie bait, can become dangerous when in a pack. The excitement overwhelms all training and they will bite and kill anything. But the dog gets the bill to pay.
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Raised well, badly, or otherwise, should a pit decide to bite down on you, its instincts will take over.
Instinct is not unique to any one breed of dog. But, it's been beaten to death and this isn't the dog forum.
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I really hate to see a news article or forum thread titled like this one. It should read "Another moron who shouldn't own a dog".

Pit bulls have really gotten a bad rap. Look at most of the fools that own them. The dog is just a status symbol for the owner who wants a dog everyone fears. Back in the 70's it was the Doberman, in the 80's it suddenly became the Rottweiler and now in the gangsta era it happens to be the pit bull.

Of my five dogs the pit bull is the least likely to bite anyone or anything outside of a good chew bone. She is one of the most docile dogs I've ever owned. Why? She had a proper upbringing unlike so many of the dogs you hear about on the news. Unfortunately this stereotype follows her anywhere I take her as most folks will avoid her like the plague. I've only had a handful of people ever ask if they could pet her. On the other hand, my little shaggy mutt has people just walk up and pet him and he is the most likely one to bite. Go figure.
Yeah, that's a real head scratcher.
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Dogs are usually like their owners. If their owners are aggressive people and don't give a $#!^then the dogs will be also.
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I'm shocked that there are still people saying that pits are inherently violent, regardless of raising. That's incredibly ignorant. I'd trust my well trained pit over my mom's Australian Shepherd any day.
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...and yet another child in Detroit mauled today by a Pit bull. An 8 year old this time.
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owners of these creatures MUST be held accountable....ALL assets immediately seized for restitution.....
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What's a pit bull?
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...and yet another child in Detroit mauled today by a Pit bull. An 8 year old this time.
Just another coincidence, I'm sure.

I've said it before: The only dog I ever feared in my entire long sorry life... was a pit bull I encountered when I was working hurricane relief many years ago down in Florida. Now the neighbor across the street has one and thank God Almighty that they have a high fence. I hear it barking all the time but it hasn't gotten loose so far. That said, it's why I switched my primary home protection gun to a .357 Magnum even though it's not my favorite gun or round.
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Absolutely. And if a person's children ever act up, same thing. Hold the parents 100% accountable, seize everything they own and destroy them!
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What's a pit bull?
Pit Bull is reference to a type of dog usually including American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers or Staffordshire terriers, American Bully and crosses between them. Originally bred from terrier and bulldog breeds. I'm sure there's a lot more to it than my brief layman explanation, but even non-experts such as myself are able to identify some types of dogs from others by physical characteristics.

This gorgeous animal would fit the term Pit Bull.



And this guy would be a Pug.



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My guess is that there aren't a lot children being mauled by Pugs misidentified as Pit Bulls.

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I just finished a pro-treadmill video. While doing my research, I typed in "jogger killed by dog", whoo boy! An eye-opener for sure.

I don't discriminate against any breed, although some are admittedly more dangerous. When I run outdoors, I usually carry my FNS40.
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There's so much baloney in this thread, if it was in my refrigerator, I could make several big ol' thick sandwiches.
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...and yet another child in Detroit mauled today by a Pit bull. An 8 year old this time.
Here's a link to the story: Child with autism mauled by pit bulls after being left alone; mother arrested - Story | WJBK

It appears 3 children were left alone at home for over an hour. One of them was 8 and had autism, doesn't say the age of the other two. The mother was arrested which leads me to believe there could be more to this story. Either way I see this and the first story as the owners fault and not the dog.

The only difference between a toy dog and a large breed is the power. IMO I would say far more people have been bitten by chihuahuas or other toy dogs than pit bulls. Only difference is the little dog doesn't have the power to inflict enough damage for an ER visit.

I do agree that pit bulls, rottweilers, dobermans, german shepherds and other large breeds can be dangerous in the hands of stupid people. You put any dog in a small kennel or chain them to a tree with little human contact and no exercise and more than likely they will become aggressive. However, these breeds in the hands of competent owners are some of the most gentle, loving pets you will ever see. This no doubt requires a lot of time, work and commitment that your typical cave dweller is not willing to put in.

I believe had this been a story that involved a child shooting them self with a firearm while left alone the posts here would be a lot different blaming the gun owner or parent instead of the gun. Don't blame the dog, he can't help his owner is an idiot!
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I drove into a farm yard and a large sign stated "BEWARE OF DOG".
I had a phone number and had dispatch call the property owner.
He came out laughing telling me they no longer had as dog !
I believe in signs !
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Ive known people who had pit bulls. None were agressive because they were not trained to be. My BiL and sis had one-he toowasnt agressive. Its not the dog-but the owners. I worked with a guy in L.E. who raised pit bulls to be agressive. They were stuck in a small cage as pups--and water sprayed on them from a hose spray gun. Pups hated that--and I did too.
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Ive known people who had pit bulls. None were agressive because they were not trained to be. My BiL and sis had one-he toowasnt agressive. Its not the dog-but the owners. I worked with a guy in L.E. who raised pit bulls to be agressive. They were stuck in a small cage as pups--and water sprayed on them from a hose spray gun. Pups hated that--and I did too.
It's people like that which are prime examples of who SHOULDN'T own pets.
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Pit Bull is reference to a type of dog usually including American pit bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers or Staffordshire terriers, American Bully and crosses between them. Originally bred from terrier and bulldog breeds. I'm sure there's a lot more to it than my brief layman explanation, but even non-experts such as myself are able to identify some types of dogs from others by physical characteristics.

This gorgeous animal would fit the term Pit Bill.



And this guy would be a Pug.



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My guess is that there aren't a lot children being mauled by Pugs misidentified as Pit Bulls.
Well, I was being a little facetious. My point was there is no such thing as a "pit bull". Nice explanation, by the way.

I just get tired of the mindless breed bashing. If someone applied the same standard to humans and decided that all members of a certain type of human were bad because of the actions of a few, they'd be driven off the internet on a rail. But let someone say "pit bull" and the hysterics start running around, flapping their arms and threatening to shoot them all. Kind of like "assault rifle" gets a knee jerk reaction in some quarters.
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My wife and I have been confronted by loose dogs while walking in the neighborhood. The most threatening was a pack of small dogs, led by a 40 pound mongrel, which assumed the role of pack leader. Dogs may not recognize a deadly threat, but they do understand body language. After a few seconds with their fate in my hand, they wandered off.

The elderly father of a friend was attacked in his driveway and seriously injured by a pair of Irish setters, not known for their aggression.

That said, pit bulls (and I use that term generically) are powerful dogs capable of inflicting serious injury or death, and often the propensity to do so. It surprised me how some will defend their "pit bull" family members. I question their motives. There are far more cuddly pets.

I am on blood thinners. A hangnail can bleed for half an hour. I have no intention of taking a nip from a cocker spaniel, much less a bite from a bull dog.

To those who would defend their "pets" to the death, please have a plan B in mind.
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The last story I read said that Detroit had in excess of 200,000 pit bulls in the city, some with owners, and many roaming free.
I'm going to call baloney on that number. I'll tell you why. For the past two or three days, off and on, I've been doing online searches for stories, news reports, articles, documentaries, etc., etc. on "Pit Bulls" in Detroit. I went as far back as 2010. And how many is "some", and how many is "many"?

So far, I haven't found any source at all for that number. Not one. I found one report from 2016 that estimates there are about 143,000 dogs of all breeds in Detroit. I'm sure there are more now, but still far short of 200,000 Pit Bulls, although the number of them is estimated to be high. But not 200,000 as you say. It's mathematically impossible to have more Pit Bulls than dogs overall. And I seriously doubt every puppy born since last year has been a Pit Bull.

Melissa Miller, Director of Detroit Animal Control says she believes Pit Bulls get a bad rap. Note that she is the director of an agency that is tasked with euthanizing (killing) dogs on a daily basis.

So. Help me out here, please? Give me (us) a link to whatever story you read that says there are 200K Pit Bulls in Detroit. Or just give me a hint and I'll look for it myself. You can even send me a PM if you don't want to post in your thead again. I genuinely want to read that story, because right now, I don't believe it exists.

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He probably moved because he had no intentions of being a responsible owner...
That isn't anything but pure speculation. The fact is, you don't even know the guy being talked about, and have no idea at all why he moved, do you?


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It surprised me how some will defend their "pit bull" family members.
Not that it matters, but are you speaking from personally talking with dog owners, or just going by what you read on this forum or other places on the Internet? Irregardless of that, I honestly don't know why it should surprise you. People have different likes and dislikes, people have different opinions, and people make different choices about what dog they want to have. Everyone isn't going to see things the way you do, and they won't see things the way I do, either.

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I question their motives. There are far more cuddly pets.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but what you're really saying is that you question their motives in your mind, right? Rhetorically. I mean, you don't personally go up to someone and tell them you're questioning their motives regarding why they have a Pit Bull, or suggest to them that they get a "more cuddly pet", do you? I suppose some people would put up with that, but overall it's probably a bad idea. Just my opinion, you understand.

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To those who would defend their "pets" to the death, please have a plan B in mind.
That's pretty vague. What does that mean, "have a plan B in mind"? I don't know what a "pet" is because I don't have any. I do have dogs, though. I don't need a Plan B. I have a Plan A that covers defending my family, friends, home, dogs, etc., etc. Trust me, you do not want to see it in operation.





Note: I've used the term "Pit Bull" because that's what most people use. Fact is, there is no such animal.
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That isn't anything but pure speculation. The fact is, you don't even know the guy being talked about, and have no idea at all why he moved, do you?
Speculation?...yes...hence the word "probably".
Because you deleted HALF of my statement, I will restore it>>"He probably moved because he had no intentions of being a responsible owner and now YOU made it apparent that it might cost him his dog"
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owners of these creatures MUST be held accountable....ALL assets immediately seized for restitution.....
Last year an owner of pit bulls in Detroit that killed a little 4 year old boy right in front of his mother was found guilty of manslaughter. He was originally charged with second-degree murder.

The dogs had engaged with the child before (neighbor's dogs). The mother thought of them to be harmless like puppies. That was before the pit bulls knocked down the mother and ripped the child from her grasp while walking to school, dragged him away from his mother and under a fence into the yard where the dogs were kept, then chomped him to death with 90 puncture wounds.

There's several stories on it. I didn't see anything about the owner treating the dogs poorly. The dogs had got out before on different occasions but reportedly no one called animal control. Reportedly the dogs prevented anyone from getting near to save the boy during the attack. Nice dogs one minute... killers the next? Police shot the dogs and got the boy... good guys with guns.


Owner of pit bulls guilty in death of Detroit boy, 4

Jurors watch video of dogs mauling 4-year-old Detroit boy

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Absolutely. And if a person's children ever act up, same thing. Hold the parents 100% accountable, seize everything they own and destroy them!
I am with you on that one but if it like our situation the mother of this kid hasnt a pot to pee in. Kid runs rural neighbor hood stealing and breaking stuff trepassing. And yes a pit bull that run loose. I called animal control on it due to this dod chasing another one of my neighbors kid.I also had the dog try to come out ob me last week. Was walking down the road to hand a neighbor a pice of mail that got put in my box. Dog came out I as I was walking by. I told dog to "Stay " in a very loud voice it did. I had hand om M &P 40 ready to go if needed.
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Saw more than a few "maulings" as a FF/EMT. Most of those were in the household the dog lived in. Invariably it was " he/she never showed signs of aggression".
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Rottweiler​ kills owner
Man Killed By Rottweiler He Adopted Hours Earlier | HuffPost

Rottweiler kills baby. (And a Jack Russell helps)
Rottweiler kills baby in France after biting its head | The Independent

Rottweiler attacks Tiger!
Rottweiler Saves A Woman From Tiger Attack - Rottweiler Life

Woman attacked by Rottweiler
Weiser woman attacked by two rottweilers owned by relatives in Ontario | KBOI

German Shepherds attack
Horrifying dog attack caught on camera as 6 men drag loose German shepherds from family pet - Mirror Online

Woman almost killed but German Shepherd
https://www.google.com/amp/www.daily...kill-mode.html

Woman killed by German Shepherd
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-basement/amp/

Child killed by Labrador
http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfri...ttack-20160817

Black Lab attacks boy
http://istilllovedogs.com/2015/08/bl...-his-pit-bull/

Labrador Retriever kills baby
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydai...icle-1.1065711

Woman in hospital after attack by Golden Retriever
http://www.orilliapacket.com/2014/08...ut-heartbroken

I can go on and on. These links are never ending. I also didn't include Dobermans, Great Danes, Dalmatians or any other dog over 50lbs.

We only hear about Pitt attacks, just like guns. When was the last time you heard of a baseball bat attack or a hammer attack? Although they are more common!

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I am with you on that one but if it like our situation the mother of this kid hasnt a pot to pee in.
Well, again I was trying to be sarcastic. I probably need to try harder. I thought the idea of immediate, total asset seizure in the case of a terrifying "pit bull" attack was kind of silly.

I've followed your situation and you have more problems than a loose dog.
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