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These have been around forever, but I'm finally giving one a try on my Colt LW Commander.

I'm a minimalist as far as carrying a gun goes. I only carry in the waistband, and usually use a simple holster like the Galco Stow and Go. I've done the "Mexican carry" thing, but I always felt like the gun was going to slither down my pant leg.

Here it is, if you don't know what I'm talking about. Its kind of like the old belt hooks used on flintlock pirate pistols.



So far, so good. It really makes this Colt disappear, and it feels very secure.





I wore it to the range today, and put 100 rounds downrange with it attached. No problems.



I'll keep trying it out. I'd be interested to hear other folk's experiences with this set up.
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I have used a similar setup, most of you I am sure have seen one, the Versa clip. The Versa clip has more retention than your belt clip IMO. With that said I have switched to a kydex IWB holster. Virtually the same minimal amount of holster materiel with kydex, has almost no thickness, with better trigger coverage. Just me.....

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Not legal in some states. Ohio is one of them. Handguns must be in a holster. Most experts advise against your device.
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Pretty bad idea. Trigger isn't covered.

Col. Cooper disapproved of these for this reason.
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You couldn't pay me to use one. As soon as the thumb safety gets nudged off, you're a 5# single-action shot away from a Very Bad Time.

Ditto for DA revolvers, DA/SA autos, and strikers.
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Personally, I like the concept of the belt clip. Ages ago, I purchased a Browne and Pharr belt clip for my Government Model. I have a Commander on hold, and I purchased a Clip Draw belt clip, which is identical to the Browne and Pharr. I see the device as being convenient, and the risk of an accidental discharge is greatest when placing the pistol inside the waistband. When in the waist band, the pants and belt cover the trigger.
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Ok if you know what you're doing, and using something with a long, heavy DA (not a striker "DAO" either) trigger. Risky for inexperienced shooter or short SA trigger, regardless of safety.
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You couldn't pay me to use one. As soon as the thumb safety gets nudged off, you're a 5# single-action shot away from a Very Bad Time.

Ditto for DA revolvers, DA/SA autos, and strikers.
Not really, since I also have the grip safety, but I see your point. Thanks.
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I'm not really a huge fan of the grip safety in modern times, tbh. I suppose it made a bit of sense with some of the old-time exposed-trigger and flap holsters in duty carry, but in modern holster designs and CCW, it's too easy to deactivate inadvertently, and is going to be deactivated anyway whenever you're holstering and drawing.

That's not to say I think the 1911 design is any less or more safe than other actions, however!

I simply think that the holster itself is as much a "safety" as anything on the gun, whether it simply provides a stiff shell to protect the trigger, or goes as far as having a strap under the hammer (1911 thumbreak-styles), or over it (strapped revolver holsters).

I'd be interested in trying out your pre-A1 pistol, especially with that grip safety. I was actually looking for one of those in stainless for my .22 match build, but wound up with a plain-old beavertail. I also wanted a Turnbull undercut thumb safety, but at $87 each and having never fit a thumb safety (or much of anything) before, I went with a Wilson Combat.

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Best of luck to you because you are taking a chance on accidental discharge whenever a carry gun's trigger is exposed. I would not use any clip arrangement to carry IWB or OWB.

I carry IWB excerpt when hiking. I have a very comfortable kydex IWB holster for that purpose. It adds only a small amount bulk so to be really unnoticeable. I stay comfortable and safe.
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Best of luck to you because you are taking a chance on accidental discharge whenever a carry gun's trigger is exposed. I would not use any clip arrangement to carry IWB or OWB.

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Good points, for sure. In this case, the trigger isn't exposed when the pistol is being carried - its in my pants with all my other unexposed stuff.

With the thumb safety and grip safety engaged I don't think I'm at increased risk for an accidental discharge, but I like the idea of a thin Kydex holster and may give it a try.
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I agree that a thin kydex holster is probably a better way to go, but, probably like you, I remember when almost every holster used by both outdoorsmen and coppers exposed the trigger of revolvers and no one seemed to suffer much as a result. I used to carry my Commander in a belt slide holster that covered neither hammer nor trigger, but my gun had no extended safety lock and the mechanical detent was strong enough that I didn't worry about the safety lock getting accidentally swiped off. Anyway, nowadays, since they're readily available, an ultra-thin, lightweight IWB kydex holster makes good sense for carrying a Commander cocked and locked.
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Never tried one, if it works for ya, then that is all that matters. Just be safe.
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I agree that a thin kydex holster is probably a better way to go, but, probably like you, I remember when almost every holster used by both outdoorsmen and coppers exposed the trigger of revolvers and no one seemed to suffer much as a result. I used to carry my Commander in a belt slide holster that covered neither hammer nor trigger, but my gun had no extended safety lock and the mechanical detent was strong enough that I didn't worry about the safety lock getting accidentally swiped off. Anyway, nowadays, since they're readily available, an ultra-thin, lightweight IWB kydex holster makes good sense for carrying a Commander cocked and locked.
There is a reason for that, look at the scabbard holsters prior to the Jordan style holsters. DA revolvers of the time had 15# triggers, ND was not much of a problem, except for re holstering. Most police in the time period were trained to get a purchase on the firearm on the draw, including the trigger. The problem came in when they put their gun away, BOOM. The scabbard caused the finger to pull the trigger. The resistance caused a nervous officer to just shove the revolver harder. Also add to the mix that a DA revolver in a well made holster the cylinder cannot rotate.

I carry a GP100 in a Don Hume Jordan style holster with open trigger guard. It takes a good amount of force to rotate the cylinder. The form fitting holsters like safariland sandwich style it was next to impossible.

As far as semi autos, that would mostly be the 1911, and the S&W 39/59. One had a long trigger pull, the other a positive manual safety. Plus many departments required that the 1911 be carried condition 2.

Or it could be that us old timers just put safety on a higher priority than the yutes of today. A lot of the striker ND's can be traced back to covered trigger guards, and the finger in the trigger, or another object.

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In the 60s I saw a picture of a Colt with one but didn't have any idea of where to buy one (long time before internet) so I had one made from spring steel for a Colt .45. That was before permits and when you carried it had to really had to be concealed. I carried a .45 many miles and many places without any trouble. It is still a good option. A few years ago I found a Brown&Pharr for a M39 S&W and a Colt .45 in some junk from an old gunsmith. Larry
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I carried a Glock for a couple years with one. I don't understand all the "trigger uncovered" comments. When it's inside the waist band, the trigger is covered.

I don't care for them for other reasons, but I don't think it's unsafe by itself.
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Or it could be that us old timers just put safety on a higher priority than the yutes of today. A lot of the striker ND's can be traced back to covered trigger guards, and the finger in the trigger, or another object.
No. Proportionally, just as many people shot themselves from 1920-1980. Another popular pastime was shooting through the floor of bathrooms.

The difference today is that we have the internet, so you hear about it every time some knucklehead pops himself in the leg.

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I carried a Glock for a couple years with one. I don't understand all the "trigger uncovered" comments. When it's inside the waist band, the trigger is covered.
I would go so far as to suggest that the Glock is better-suited to this sort of thing. The trigger is longer and can be made heavier, but chiefly, it has a trigger safety.

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but my gun had no extended safety lock and the mechanical detent was strong enough that I didn't worry about the safety lock getting accidentally swiped off.
Which is a whole 'nother issue. With the shoot-fast fad in full-swing, nearly every gun on the market has an enormous, competition-size thumb safety, even ones marketed as CCW-able. Sometimes even two (ambis)!

Worse, people think shoot-fast games are an approximation of defensive shooting, so you couldn't even sell a gun with a decently-sized thumb safety.
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I tried a clipdraw for a while. Struck me as a good idea at first. But I just didn't really like it and took it off the gun. I still think it's an idea that has some merit that may well work for some folks. Just not for me.

I have for years, and still do, Mexican carry some. All day long, its got drawbacks and not always optimal, for me. YMMV.
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I would go so far as to suggest that the Glock is better-suited to this sort of thing. The trigger is longer and can be made heavier, but chiefly, it has a trigger safety.
This is an incorrect assumption. The trigger safety on the Glock, M&P and a host of other guns with the blade in the trigger, is not there to prevent the trigger from being pressed. It is a drop safety. You can read about it here: Is the trigger really a safety?

The Glock and M&P (without a thumb safety) are both exactly the same as a 1911 in condition 0. Anything that gets inside the trigger guard can press the trigger and fire the gun.

The clip draw covers the trigger the same way any holster would. When inside the pants, the trigger is covered. Since this isn't inside a pocket, there is nothing else in there that could get in the trigger guard. It is protected from outside by the pants themselves.

Even though I used a clip draw for some time, I'm not a fan. It's OK, but has other issues that a good quality holster doesn't.
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I wouldn’t even consider that set-up. Years ago before I became “educated,” I bought a brand-name (cheap P.O.S.) inside-the-waist clip holster for my S&W 649. Everything was fine until the day I got out of my vehicle & felt my revolver & holster sliding down my leg headed for the ground. Luckily, I was wearing a long cold-weather coat & caught everything before they hit the pavement. Needless to say, I learned a valuable lesson from that experience...NEVER secure a loaded firearm in a holster that is not TOTALLY restrained 360 degrees by a belt, and that has even the most REMOTE chance of coming off that belt under ANY circumstance. Although extremely remote, that revolver could’ve accidentally discharged when striking the deck. Almost as bad, my beloved old-school 649 could’ve been damaged. And last but not least...in the state I live in, if someone had seen that debacle I would’ve been arrested and my subsequent confiscated “Arsenal” would’ve been the headline story of the 6 o’clock fake news. My humble advise: Forget clips period!
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I won't carry in any way which does not completely cover the trigger guard. That rules out the "clip draw" or anything like it.
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I had one on an early Officer's model Colt. I didn't like it very much and switched back to a Kramer OWB. I have had the safety move on me, but never had any other problems. Mainly I had discomfort from the Colt on my bare skin (it's hot here in S Texas and this was tee shirt and jeans). I do have one clip draw still attached to a S&W 640-1, it makes for very easy AIWB in cargo shorts and a fishing shirt.

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ND's did increase with the use of the striker fired gun, there was a article written on the DC police that showed a clear pattern of increase with Glocks. A covered trigger guard will only stop a trigger pull while the gun is in the holster. It will not stop an article of clothing, or a finger from firing a round when reholstering. Which is how many of these ND's happen.

Yes police officers did have a good number of ND with revolvers, especially using, you guessed it covered trigger guards. But a well made revolver holster does not need a covered trigger. Strap over the hammer, and a tight fit prevent the cylinder from turning. Not so on a semi with no manual safety. If that trigger is pulled it will go boom, whether there is a flipper, or not.

A lot of undercover officers still carry without a holster. A good giveaway that a person is not a criminal is a holster. They are either a CC holder, law abiding citizen, or a cop. Criminals are not going to trust someone wearing a holster unless that have a clear rep as a bad guy. I carried a beat up 1911 condition 2 shoved in the waste band when working undercover. Keep the belt snug and the gun stays put, even running.

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Good points, for sure. In this case, the trigger isn't exposed when the pistol is being carried - its in my pants with all my other unexposed stuff.

With the thumb safety and grip safety engaged I don't think I'm at increased risk for an accidental discharge, but I like the idea of a thin Kydex holster and may give it a try.
To each his own, but IMO the trigger being covered by clothing isn't insurance against a negligent discharge. There are myriad examples of clothing, drawstrings, etc. somehow bunching up enough to activate the trigger of a concealed firearm.

For me, at the end of the day, I don't see NEARLY enough of an advantage to not keep that trigger protected at all times.
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And you don't wear a shirt or t-shirt?
Not one capable of simultaneously taking off my thumb safety, depressing my grip safety, and pulling my trigger, no. But I see your point.

I don't think I would use this for a Glock. The company actually says not to use it with a chamber-loaded Glock. But with a 1911 I think its fine.
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Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw?  
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No. Nope. No way in hell.

If you like it and feel safe doing it, I'm happy for you.

Call me an old fud and I won't argue--I want the trigger covered, even on a DAO revolver.
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Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw? Any of you guys use a ClipDraw?  
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Contrare to the negative post above. I've been carrying my combat commander with a Brown & Pharr clip grip since the early 70's..And will continue to do so......I carry in condition 2.....Never been a fan of cocked & locked....Notice too my gun has a trigger shoe.....So since the early 70's Ive never shot a hole in anything that I didn't want to.........
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