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Old 05-18-2017, 04:53 PM
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So, as much as I want to heed the call of carrying an auto, I find myself always coming back to my 442. I feel like it's good enough for my lifestyle. Mostly. However, I have always wanted to figure out that, what if I need more scenario. Either for an everyday carry, or for just those times that I feel like I'm going somewhere and would be comfortable with more. I know, some people say then don't go. But sometimes it's unavoidable.

When I travel I just keep a bigger gun in the center console. But obviously that's only there when I'm in the car.

So..... I've been wanting to dial in my set up for when I want more times. And not sure how to.

At present I carry my 442 with a hogue tamer grip AIWB. I used to carry 4 oclock, but I find this better. I don't have a 2nd revolver yet (that I can carry), so I'm trying to figure out which way to go with this. PLUS, I'm trying to figure out how one performs a NY reload properly. I could've swore I read an article that claimed Cirillo (the one the term NY reload has been coined from I guess) actually threw the first revolver down after using what was in the cylinder. Or was it that he had 3, and threw the first one down but kept 2 more on him. I don't know. In fact, that's a good question, what book is that, that talks about his exploits?

So, there you have it, the beginning of the discussion on NY reloads. I would like to get all of your input. I know one thing is for certain, I REALLy like AIWB for my primary spot. And I don't really want to change that.

One guy I know said he will add the 2nd at 4 oclock. That seems like a good idea.

I have been starting to look for what 2nd revolver I want. I already have a Colt DS, but it's out of time. I did find some place to get it fixed (actually a couple). But I'm not sure I want to go that route. The take down lever is the opposite of the J frame and sort of hard to work sometimes. And I'm skeptical that if I get it fixed that it will hold up to shooting a lot. Not that I shoot tons, but still......

I'm leaning towards a steel J frame in the primary spot and then making the 442 the back up gun.

I did fondle a few wheelguns at my LGS the other day. They had a 686+ 3"er, an SP101 DAO 2.25"er and Model 60 Pro series 3"er.

All of those triggers made my 442's feel like ****. Although it's smoothing out with time. I'll be honest, I almost bought that DAO SP101 a while back. It feels really right. And the trigger is really nice. I would also probably be able to handle Plus P's in that but I really don't like them in the 442. I start flinching after a few rounds. The downside is it really does look like the frame is almost un neccesarily big and bulky. Way overkill which just adds weight and bulk. It does feel very good in the hands though. I've never shot one yet.

The 60 Pro had a super nice trigger. But so did the 686. That one I think is just way to big to carry for me. I'm not a big guy. I'm not even sure I could get away with a K frame. Although it would be nice to try a 2-1/2 to 3" to see.

So.... what do you guys do for hardware and software? Does anybody ever practice throwing their first piece down? Seems like it would be hard on the gun. Is that a viable way to do it? Or is a re-holster recommended? I don't even know if there are any trainers out there teaching this or not.

I guess you could lay a blanket or towel down to minimize the damage.

Here's a pic from a Pat Rogers article I read in the last SWAT mag. Only reason I bought it is because a member on another forum I frequent wrote an article about SOPMOD guns and I wanted to read it.


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I can foresee that a cop might reasonably have a much greater need than a private citizen for a very quick reload, hence the "new York reload", the carrying of a second gun. I am unsure that for a private citizen it is worth the weight and trouble, but if it makes you feel better who am I to say otherwise?
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Yeah, we could argue back and forth whether it's a good idea or not. If the rounds started flying, my guess is you would want more. There are 2 times traveling when I had my gun drawn. I felt much better the one time having my Beretta M9 as opposed to my Colt DS. Obviously feeling aren't what keep you protected. But there probably is something helpful about confidence. As I shoot my J frame more and practice reloading, the more confident I get. But no matter how you slice it, it's still a very small amount of rounds in the gun.

But the upside to having 2 j frames is any primary gun could go down. Murphy and all that.

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I think I would want to distribute the weight evenly so I would have the back up gun cross draw on the exact opposite hip location. It's still pretty easy to draw with your left hand "cavalry style" if your right hand is injured, or if you want to draw both at the same time and look really intimidating!
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I've thought about that. Have you tried it?
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Most of the time I carry two handguns......the backup is always a 642. And I always have at least one speed strip on me.

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Heck, now that I think about it, 2 airweight J frames is probably still less than my M9 loaded. Which I don't really carry much. Last time I did I got a back ache the next day. LOL.
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Can I ask where you carry it? What grips and holster? Bob O

FWIW, I carry 3 speed strips all the time with my 442. Back pocket (primary spot) coin pocket (used to be primary spot until I figured out the back pocket I like better) and in my front right pocket. I keep changing as to how many rounds I keep on them. I go back and forth with 4 and 5.

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That is the main reason I bought two of the 640-1's that Centerfire was selling earlier this year. Main carry position is appendix, backup would be behind the right hip.
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H'yar ya go!! Mind you I don't use this set up.
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At times I carried a .380 PPK in addition to our issue 645, and later 4506. I later found I liked a Gerber boot knife instead. I carried it, it is very sharp, and can be thrown in a last chance situation, plus it was much lighter. Now retired after 30 years of service, I carry a CS 45 with 4 loaded mags, and a SOG fast open knife. Paranoid, perhaps, but I have a good reason. I put a lot of bad guys behind bars.

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I have carried 2 daily for 40 years legally. The 2 have varied, but always 2. Most times in each front pocket on a handful of times one on each hip.
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Unless you are engaged in some form of high-risk occupation or by necessity find yourself in an extraordinarily high crime environment, I would question any private citizen's need to carry two concealed firearms. Under normal circumstances, it is highly doubtful that the typical citizen will ever require even one concealed carry handgun - let alone two. There is a danger that one can, by over-thinking the topic, convince oneself that carrying two guns, or a bigger gun or whatever, is needed for personal safety. The best thing you can do for personal safety is go about your normal course of business while remaining under the radar and maintain normal situational awareness and don't go looking for solutions for unlikely and strictly theoretical problems.

In 13 years of law enforcement when I was paid to look for trouble and to respond to any type of incident 40+ hours a week, I never fired my gun outside the range and only maybe 5 or 6 times did I point my firearm at a bad guy. And on occasion, I worked some high crime neighborhoods. And this includes all my off-duty time just going about my private affairs. So, I would suggest putting things in perspective.
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For me, I would carry one hicap semiauto before I'd carry 2 revolvers.
But, In your case I would suggest 2 of the same revolvers. Get another 442 or 642. Good luck.
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I've carried 2 guns a few times. I had a 3" 65 IWB on my right hip and a 642 in my front left pocket, with a couple of speed strips with .38 ammo in them so I could reload either gun. I found it difficult because I'm one of those guys that carries a bunch of stuff in my pockets, so re-organizing everything was a challenge.

FWIW, I think the best route is to have the same manual-of-arms for both guns. I think it's also a good idea to have one of them accessible to your offhand side, i.e., if you're right-handed and carry your primary gun on your right side then your BUG should, ideally, be accessible to your left hand.

I personally like the idea of carrying two J-frames. Since I now have two 642s I may do some experimenting with it. There are some options. As I mentioned before, I've carried with one gun on my strong-side hip and my BUG on my offhand-side in my front pocket. Some other combinations I've considered, but haven't tried, include: strong-side hip and offhand-side ankle; strong-side hip and upside-down shoulder holster; offhand-side cross-draw and strong-side front pocket (this is actually the one I like the best, but as I've said, I haven't tried it, so it may suck in actual practice...*shrug*); both front pockets; and one on each hip (offhand-side either standard draw or cross-draw). My biggest concern is when my primary gun is not on my right hip, as that's the way I've been trained and have been practicing for years; I'm afraid if I did have to respond with deadly force I might go to my right hip out of habit/programming and find my gun isn't there because it's somewhere else.

However, I don't see carrying a BUG as being critically important. I think carrying a good trauma kit should have a higher priority than a BUG.

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I always have a 442 in my off hand pocket. Another J-Frame a SP101 or a Taurus 617 is AIWB. Normally it's Two J-Frames. I also carry a couple Speed Loaders.
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The off hand pocket is an interesting choice. You would employ it with your left hand I'm assuming? Or weak hand. I'm not there yet. It would have to be at very close range for that to even be a good idea for me. I need to practice more offhand. Even 1 handed with my dominant hand.

Out of curiosity, do speedloaders work with the magnas on the 442? It's a purdy set up.




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Only time I carried a second gun was during my LEO days, always a J frame of some sort, in a ankle rig, pocket or shoulder holster under my winter uniform coat. When we take a road trip I'll take a second J frame along just in case, along w/a 50 round box of ammo.
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If a NY reload is two guns, what do you call three? Afghan style?

I have a friend that showed up carrying a SW 357 titanium 8 round bobbed hammer revolver, a Kahr .40 cal compact single stack, AND recently added a 2-shot derringer in 9 mm! All this in a rural area where I have NEVER heard of a theft, much less a violent crime. Seems to break a few of the rules noted above. Is this the definition of "paranoid" or are they really out to get him? Now he wants to go shooting with me. Should I be worried?
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The off hand pocket is an interesting choice. You would employ it with your left hand I'm assuming? Or weak hand. I'm not there yet. It would have to be at very close range for that to even be a good idea for me. I need to practice more offhand. Even 1 handed with my dominant hand.

Out of curiosity, do speedloaders work with the magnas on the 442? It's a purdy set up.
The speed loaders work with all my grips. If they don't I grind them until they fit. The wood grips are off the 442 and replaced with the old Uncle Mike's Boot Grips. I carry my second gun in the off hand pocket so I can casually walk around with gun in hand if I feel the need. I practice off hand shooting so while not as natural feeling as my right hand, it's not bad. My guess is the off hand gun would probably come out first in an emergency. I Just naturally walk around with my hands in my pocket most of the time. The AIWB gun can be reached by both hands. In a emergency it may be a good thing.
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If a NY reload is two guns, what do you call three? Afghan style?

I have a friend that showed up carrying a SW 357 titanium 8 round bobbed hammer revolver, a Kahr .40 cal compact single stack, AND recently added a 2-shot derringer in 9 mm! All this in a rural area where I have NEVER heard of a theft, much less a violent crime. Seems to break a few of the rules noted above. Is this the definition of "paranoid" or are they really out to get him? Now he wants to go shooting with me. Should I be worried?
This reminded me of something I read. Background info, in case you don't know who Jim Cirillo is: He is well-known for having been a member of the NYPD Stakeout Squad, which had a number of gunfights. IIRC, Cirillo was involved in 12 of them.

The story: Someone asked Cirillo why he carried three guns on him. His response: "Because four would be ostentatious."

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LOL.

Do you know what book is good to read about him and his time in the NYPD?
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Gun writer Massad Ayoob wrote an article back around 2000-2001 in American Handgunner magazine about the practice of carrying two J frames. I remember reading it at the time. I did an internet search a few years ago and found it online. Not sure if it is still available.
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I carry two j frames most days when I'm out and about. I like to try to have the same sight picture as well, so I carry a 640 in my front right pocket and a 637 with a bobbed hammer off body in an Elite Avenger shoulder bag.

I try to practice situational awareness, so if I go some place that doesn't feel or look right, I'll toss the bag over my shoulder with the 637 in a cross draw position. Otherwise, I just leave it in the truck. In the bag are a couple of speedloaders and I carry a couple of speed strips in my rear right pocket or right cargo shorts pocket.

These are the two guns I practice with most at the range and I like to have them both with me when I go out from the house. I have put the 637 in my back pocket or cargo shorts pocket at times. Both gun are also carried in pocket holsters.

I know this may not be for everyone, but it seems to work for me. Good topic ABPOS!
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The 642 is usually on my left ankle, and my 357 is on my right hip. Speed strip in my right pants pocket.

Why carry two, ever have a gun fail?

I dont even want to get into why a police officer, current or former, would question the idea of a private citizen carrying a backup gun.

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Jim Cirillo's Tales Of The Stakeout Squad" by Paul Kirchner.

Guns, Bullets, And Gunfights: Lessons And Tales From A Modern-Day Gunfighter" by Jim Cirillo, Charles R. Grabbatin, Ray Chapman.

Both OUTSTANDING. Cirillo is an absolute hoot in the books. His stories are priceless. Big Smith & Wesson lover too.
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Unless I'm in a non permissive environment, I always carry two guns. A S&W 337 and either a 9mm Glock 19, Glock 43 or a custom 3" Colt Agent. Having survived two gunfights, I can tell you two things for sure; always have a gun, and two is one and one is none.
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I will carry two revolvers when serving warrants, or when I need to visit a particularly unfriendly neighborhood for an investigation. Currently I carry my SP-101 on my right hip at 4 o'clock, and my 340 on my left hip at 8 o'clock. I have practiced drawing and firing with my left hand to the point I shoot just about as good with my left hand as my right. Both guns use the same speedloaders, which is another plus. I also carry a Keltec P32 in my pocket as an additional unobtrusive back up, along with my Kershaw.

When I started carrying the second revolver it was in a cross draw set up. I switched to a specifically left hand holster because I didn't like having a gun butt forward when making an arrest.

Off duty I carry the 340 or a 60-7, plus the Kershaw. In really hot weather I'll just carry the P32, plus the Kershaw.
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So, how do you guys employ the 2nd gun? I'm assuming you guys using your "support" hand or "other" hand don't feel the need to holster your first one?

For those of you who use the second gun in your strong hand, what do you do with the first gun when you transition? Holster? Throw down? Transfer it to weak hand and draw and fire one handed with the strong hand?
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So, how do you guys employ the 2nd gun? I'm assuming you guys using your "support" hand or "other" hand don't feel the need to holster your first one?

For those of you who use the second gun in your strong hand, what do you do with the first gun when you transition? Holster? Throw down? Transfer it to weak hand and draw and fire one handed with the strong hand? Whip the first one at your target/ targets and buy some time to switch to second gun?
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In a "street fight" scenario as discussed here, IMHO, I'm with Jeff Cooper. Far more important than "how many" rounds of .38 (actually .36) can I carry in reasonable comfort, is confident shot placement and combat/survival attitude.
I grew up as an aerial power lineman which requires extensive ropesmanship. You must rig, lift and move things with ropes and knots. A very temporary and weak knot is a half-hitch. The saying goes "13 half hitches will hold anything, but one of the correct knot, will work far better".
The .45acp is a proven fight stopper. If you are in a fight that requires more than seven rounds of .45acp, especially with the exotic ammunition now available to us, you need to be using that "purpose built" defense handgun to fight your way to your long gun, presumably in your vehicle. For carry, Colt's Lightweight Defender is hard to beat. I have one equipped with a Chainmail Crimson Trace laser and it affords absolute confidence. Those who would say that a self loading handgun can malfunction, are correct - any firearm can. But, the 2000 rounds you put through it to gain that confident shot placement and attitude will expose weaknesses and give you an opptuity to correct any problem a thousand rounds before your life depends on it.
Anyone who has not read Jeff Cooper's books: "Principles of Personal Defense" & "To Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth", I highly recommend it. He is, after all, the father of self defense & handgun craft. Just my 2 cents, and worth every penny.
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Once I obtained my LTC, I carried a full sized semiauto in either 9mm. or .40 S&W. I quickly found out that carrying a full sized pistol is no fun (oh the days a few years ago when I carried a Colt's Government Model in .45ACP all day long without complaints). I soon learned that the handgun you will actually carry beats the heck out of anything you leave at home because it was inconvenient. I then started carrying a Model 642-1 in my strong side (right) pants pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster, and a folding lock blade knife in a small pouch on my left hip, and thought that was sufficient.

One night several years ago, I was out walking our two small terrier dogs. I had wrapped a leash around each hand to keep them from crossing each other's paths and tangling their leashes. Suddenly, a woman ahead of us who was walking a pair of Boxer dogs stumbled, fell, and both dogs got away from her and made a bee line for me and my two dogs. It is amazing how fast a pair of Boxer dogs can cover ground, and both were on us very quickly. The heads of both dogs reached my waist level, and they were trying hard to get at my dogs. I could not get the leashes off from around my hands, so I could not get at my revolver, nor my knife, nor the Pepper Spray on my key chain (rear pants pocket). Yep, I was in bad shape. All I could do was turn circles to keep the Boxers away from my dogs, and knee the Boxers every time I had an opportunity to do so. Finally, the other dog owner came and got her dogs off of me.

This incident taught me several things: 1) get your head out of your backside and think before you leave the house; 2) keep at least one hand free at all time; 3) a handgun for each hand can be a good thing to have; 4) always carry a (charged) cell phone when you leave the house - even if you're just going to check the mail or walk the dog(s).

Following this incident, my EDC went from the Model 642-1 to a Model 38-0 in either my off-side front pants pocket, or in my off-side rear pants pocket, and a Model 638-1 in my strong side pants pocket. Both are equipped with CT LG-405 laser grips and loaded with standard velocity .38 Special ammo. I also carry a fully loaded, 8 round speed strip in a small pouch on my belt. Both revolvers are carried in DeSantis Nemesis pocket holsters. I have arthritis in both hands and wrists, and reloading is both slow and painful. For me, if a reload is needed, a NY Reload would work best for me.

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I've known a guy who worked the wet and wild in Florida. He carried a rifle in the truck, a large pistol and a snubby with shot loads for snakes.
He was putting fencing in water, for a large amount of money.
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I'm Brooklyn born and raised and I've developed my own take on a NY Reload. I generally travel with my husband, and we both carry the same firearms, with reloads.

I got him started with firearms by getting matching 9mm Shields, giving him one, and signing him up for CC classes. Then we both got CZ PCR's for carry. For woods walks, we both take 686+'s.
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On occasion I will carry two revolvers. Generally, I use a 442 with another jframe or lcr or m85 in separate pocket holsters (one left and one right) since they all work and feel about the same. But, for the most part I just use a single jframe and a speedstrip and/or a speedloader.

Also, I thought this guy has a pretty good video on this subject
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Is that a pair of pistols in your pockets or do you have elephantiasis?
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As a civilian with 40 year of concealed carry experience......I can only recall a couple of occasions where I felt the desire for a second handgun..... both long stories: one was a prison riot w/ injured being brought to the Hospital and another where we received a threat to break into the Psych ward.

95% of the time I'm content with a 3913(7+1) and an extra mag or two or a PC Shorty ( 12+1 and a 17rd extra mag).

Unless you intend to "just drop" your primary gun ......in all likely hood while moving.......leaving it behind.....I don't think a New York reload is going to be any faster. I'd rather just drop an empty mag!!!!!!

If I thought I'd need for a second gun....... make mine a long gun with a big magazine!


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Can those of you on this post who have ever been in an armed encounter, tell me that after it was over, you ever thought you had too many guns or too much ammo?
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32 years as a LEO. I either carry a 66-3 or G19 strong side IWB or OWB depending on the job and the day. A 340pd is in the off hand front pocket. I always have a reload for each. The K frame 66-3 snubbie disappears AIWB.
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I'm Brooklyn born and raised and I've developed my own take on a NY Reload. I generally travel with my husband, and we both carry the same firearms, with reloads.

I got him started with firearms by getting matching 9mm Shields, giving him one, and signing him up for CC classes. Then we both got CZ PCR's for carry. For woods walks, we both take 686+'s.
Just took a look at that CZ, it's alot of gun for the money, and CZ is known for great products.
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After watching that video, the offhand pocket is starting to make sense to me. I have to start dedicating more practice with my left hand. Which I should be doing anyways.

I didn't actually realize it might not be lawful in my state to have 2 guns. That's a very interesting thought. I'll have to look into that more .
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After watching that video, the offhand pocket is starting to make sense to me. .

Not to hijack........ I wear Wrangler's

right front pocket; Keys and knife clipped
left front pocket; money clip, flashlight and change
Left rear; wallet

right rear; over my IWB holster and 3913.
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After watching that video, the offhand pocket is starting to make sense to me. I have to start dedicating more practice with my left hand. Which I should be doing anyways.

I didn't actually realize it might not be lawful in my state to have 2 guns. That's a very interesting thought. I'll have to look into that more .
Al that I can find is New Mexico is the only state that says you can only carry one gun. I would like to know what others find.
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The story: Someone asked Cirillo why he carried three guns on him. His response: "Because four would be ostentatious."

First Hand Knowledge Tells Me This Is Not True

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Jim Cirillo's Tales Of The Stakeout Squad" by Paul Kirchner.

Guns, Bullets, And Gunfights: Lessons And Tales From A Modern-Day Gunfighter" by Jim Cirillo, Charles R. Grabbatin, Ray Chapman.

Both OUTSTANDING. Cirillo is an absolute hoot in the books. His stories are priceless. Big Smith & Wesson lover too.

I never read them but from those that did comments I think they were greatly embellished.

Jimmy was a great guy and a pleasure to be friends with,work with,shoot matches with,reload with and go hunting with I can attest to his being a mere mortal.
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