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2 O Buck 12 .32 pellets 5 3.88%
2" OO Buck 9 .33 pellets 44 34.11%
2" Mag OO Buck 12 .33 pellets 7 5.43%
3" Mag OO Buck 15 .33 pellets 7 5.43%
2" OOO Buck 8 .36 pellets 4 3.10%
3" OOO Buck 10 .36 pellets 1 0.78%
2" #1 Buck 16 .30 pellets 11 8.53%
3" #1 Buck 24 .30 pellets 4 3.10%
2" #4 Buck 27 .24 pellets 36 27.91%
3" #4 Buck 41 .24 pellets 5 3.88%
2" 1oz. Foster Slug @ 1600 fps 1 0.78%
2" ⅞oz. Slug @ 1800 fps 4 3.10%
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My Shockwave should arrive Tuesday. I'll be practicing with and keeping loaded 00 for the scientific reason that I already got a bunch on hand. Poking around the Net... most of what I read indicates there won't be a significant difference in velocity or pattern compared to my 18in Win Defender.

A tape measure reveals that my Defender with a pistol grip installed would only be about 2 inches longer than the Shockwave. Can someone remind me again why I bought the Shockwave?
Reason to buy??? Do not let my wife hear that.LOL
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I know they died. My point was the slugs are used and now you need to take a longer​ shot, maybe outdoors but all that's left is buck shot. In other words the ammo you wanted for A is gone​ and all you have is B.

Rifles are equally devastating outdoor and indoor. More accurate, more ammo and more energy

Hard to say. My ARs have yet to jam. But probably likely hood is about the same

Don't know about Cor Lokt I use Mil/LE ammo for SD. Good, consistent ammo, nothing comes apart. Gold Dots, Federal overruns

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Come on now, there was a purpose for the different load outs. They weren't just random lots of ammunition for task A and B. These guys were shooting folks robbing liquor stores. By night the store was more likely to be crowded so slugs instead of shot inside and shot outside because you can see all that well coming from a lit store out into a dark street. Also the street would be less populated at night. By day, most people had JOBS so the street would be more crowded than the store. Rushing out into the street one would need the precision of a slug for shooting into vehicles and possibly avoiding innocent people at a distance.

AR this and AR that...this is a shotgun thread and shotguns are more reliable. Hahaha
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Come on now, there was a purpose for the different load outs. They weren't just random lots of ammunition for task A and B. These guys were shooting folks robbing liquor stores. By night the store was more likely to be crowded so slugs instead of shot inside and shot outside because you can see all that well coming from a lit store out into a dark street. Also the street would be less populated at night. By day, most people had JOBS so the street would be more crowded than the store. Rushing out into the street one would need the precision of a slug for shooting into vehicles and possibly avoiding innocent people at a distance.

AR this and AR that...this is a shotgun thread and shotguns are more reliable. Hahaha
I never mentioned AR, you did.

So buck shot outside​ in the city? Great idea! Less people doesn't mean no people.

Shotguns are nice but there's nothing they can do that a rifle can't do better and faster and with less recoil. Pretty much why they've disappeared from cop cars and military with a few specialized exceptions

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It all depends on the type of dwelling you live in and who is there with you. If you live in a modern thin walled apartment complex with neighbors right on the other side of the wall or in a house with kids in their bedrooms or other rooms within the house you sure don't want to be loaded up with 00 buck or slugs. Both will blast right on through those walls and can and have killed innocents by accident. I have a 12 Ga Remington 870 loaded with #6 high brass. The rooms in my house average 12-18 feet and at that range if I pop a cap in your A#$ you will drop like a sack of potatoes. At 15' that 1oz load is a solid mass still encased within the wad cup. While very lethal at across the room range, if I should miss and it hits the wall it will penetrate, but quickly disperse and lose energy reducing the risk of killing someone in the next room. Not so with the heavier shot like buck or a slug. A shotgun slug at close range will penetrate the bad guy AND every room in a house and still kill. Buckshot and slugs are fantastic if you live alone and out in the country with no close neighbors. In town or in an apartment I say a stout load of #6 is best. Even at a longer less lethal range, after eating 2-3 rounds of #6 the perp will have changed his mind about what he came for and be looking to get away.
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Here's what Greg Ellifritz found (Greg is the Author of An Alternative Look at Handgun Stopping Power).

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In my study of defensive shootings, I collected data on nearly 200 shotgun shootings. When I analyzed the data to determine which rounds immediately incapacitated the person shot, I found some interesting results:

Birdshot (all types)- 17% of shots led to an immediate incapacitation

Buckshot (all types)- 54% of shots led to an immediate incapacitation

Rifled Slugs- 67% of shots led to an immediate incapacitation

All of the above results were from shootings with 12 gauge shotguns only.


Bird Shot for Self Defense and Some Stopping Power Statistics | Active Response Training

An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
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I ordered the Shockwave with the possibility of making it a permanent truck gun and something to have besides a handgun when staying at cabin rentals in the Smokies we frequent. Not sure I'll find a place for it to remain in the truck or not... 26 inches is still pretty good size. Or maybe it'll find itself in the master bedroom at the side of the nightstand. I duknow... maybe not. I'll figure out something for it. How about you guys?
Mine more or less permanently resides on the bedside table, next to a .45 Shield (I like options). Sometimes I'll bring it back here into my "office", other times maybe out into the room that serves as a home gym...but it always ends up back on the bedside table. I haven't really found a suitable way (for me) for carrying it around in the car or truck...and it's too big to fit into my truck's hidey-hole.

I've actually considered buying a second one, but it's low on my list of gun priorities right now.
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Call me weird if you want but, mine is loaded with Winchester PDX1 shells. Only 6 for now but, someday I'll get around to adding on a magazine extension and make it 9 rounds.

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It all depends on the type of dwelling you live in and who is there with you. If you live in a modern thin walled apartment complex with neighbors right on the other side of the wall or in a house with kids in their bedrooms or other rooms within the house you sure don't want to be loaded up with 00 buck or slugs. Both will blast right on through those walls and can and have killed innocents by accident. I have a 12 Ga Remington 870 loaded with #6 high brass. The rooms in my house average 12-18 feet and at that range if I pop a cap in your A#$ you will drop like a sack of potatoes. At 15' that 1oz load is a solid mass still encased within the wad cup. While very lethal at across the room range, if I should miss and it hits the wall it will penetrate, but quickly disperse and lose energy reducing the risk of killing someone in the next room. Not so with the heavier shot like buck or a slug. A shotgun slug at close range will penetrate the bad guy AND every room in a house and still kill. Buckshot and slugs are fantastic if you live alone and out in the country with no close neighbors. In town or in an apartment I say a stout load of #6 is best. Even at a longer less lethal range, after eating 2-3 rounds of #6 the perp will have changed his mind about what he came for and be looking to get away.
Well out of all the tactical bird hunters, you have the best setup. I can at least respect the high brass #6 as I say that it's not for me. I'll even say that it's quite a respectable amount of power being laid down right there. That a solid shell that can take down larger animals in a pinch. However you're on the lowercase side of incapacitated still. I'm going to be hard pressed to ever get down to BB's and that's going to take a house full of people in the middle of an apartment complex. When we start defending ourselves with fine shot, we might want to ensure we have a fine lawyer as the shooter and the shootee have potential to become entwined over the long term. I always assume that intruders have come armed and the longer they​ remain capacitated the greater the chance they have at shooting back at me and I guarantee that they aren't concerned about over penetration.
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Now a personal note on the viability of such a tool; it's gonna hurt to shoot it. Buckshot is my preferred self-defense load. To be really effective, it needs to be 1,300FPS or more. I've fired shotguns with just a pistol grip and they're not fun. This doesn't even have that.

To be effective with any self-defense tool, you need to practice with it. I wouldn't practice with this because it will just hurt too much. Call me silly, but I want a shoulder stock on my shotguns.
I'll get a chance to find out for myself next week, but so far what I've read here and elsewhere is that the Shockwave isn't as punishing as ya might think. Seen several vids in action. I've got a bunch of low recoil and regular 00, target and birdshot to play with.
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I'll get a chance to find out for myself next week, but so far what I've read here and elsewhere is that the Shockwave isn't as punishing as ya might think. Seen several vids in action. I've got a bunch of low recoil and regular 00, target and birdshot to play with.
Surprisingly easy to control with any load. I am impressed with mine, especially since as a kid I watched an officer test fire a double barrel sawed off that looked like something Jerry Reed carried in Gator and cut his finger on the trigger from the recoil . . .
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Going to get some grip tape for the birds head grip like Hickok45 did to his.
Sweaty palms in the summer might let the safety slip into and tear up the web of my hand like it did to him with a relaxed grip.
Other than that I'm loving the little sucker. Hitting what I'm shooting at with every shot.
Next slugs. When the monsoon ends here.
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I prefer a stock and 18"barrel. The shockwave is useless,but a conversation piece.
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Weird how it works in Missouri but not in OH.

I hope they work in WA because I have my FFL looking for one.
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I hope they work in WA because I have my FFL looking for one.
Got a email from Lanbo's Armory this morning that they have them in stock.
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Just a note on fire power.......

Saw "Jerry" on tv with impossible shots with a new toy.
He loaded a 12 Ga. semi-auto with Remington "Green" STS 12 Ga. shells...

Ten in all and when the smoke cleared the timer read .......
1.21 seconds from the 1st going off, to the last !!
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This depends on what my precived threat level is... Large bear? Griz? Or Meth fueled doper kicking in my door... Literally, a loaded question.. Bear? Gets the slug, garbage gets triple odd buckshot.. Kyle
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Going to get some grip tape for the birds head grip like Hickok45 did to his.
Sweaty palms in the summer might let the safety slip into and tear up the web of my hand like it did to him with a relaxed grip.
Other than that I'm loving the little sucker. Hitting what I'm shooting at with every shot.
Next slugs. When the monsoon ends here.
I'm wondering if grip tape isn't adding fresh grit to the sander. Especially since I'm shooting the 3" shells. I'm thinking he did an inner tube grip job. That'd be the safe way to achieve more grip.
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So here are patterns shot today with my Shockwave using 3" OO Buck fired cold without sighters or any other bogus cheating. The first pattern was at 10 yards and the second at 20 yards with older Federal Premium 3" OO Buck 15 pellets. I didn't even really notice the difference in recoil, but the magnums spread more than the 2" regular shells.
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This is an excellent video (like all of his). It amazed me the regularity with which he can hit the 80 yard gong with slugs and that gun. Even silhouette targets too.


Hickok: I've never tried to hit the gong with this so it will probably take a while to find the range.
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The Nobel Sport 2 1/4" 00 buck shells are effective out to 10 yards and pattern well. They have 6 pellets (the extra hole is the wad). The recoil is negligible out of my Remmy 870 Gatekeeper II. The Hornady Critical Defense 00 buck loads have 8 pellets and are effective farther out (15-25 yds.), but the recoil is much greater (still pretty controllable).
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Well I think in the wake of my test, I need to fire the 3"#1 Buck and 3"#4 Buck to see if they get similar results. I have also found that I can run 3+1 3" magnum shells in the chamber with no loss to original capacity of 5+1 or compression of any of the shells. I ALWAYS CHECK FOR NOSE CRUSHING OR COMPRESSION.

Also the 2" Tula OO Buck 9 pellet load will be tested because it will serve as both a practice and backup load as it is readily available at Walmart in 25 round boxes for nearly the cost of two boxes of five rounds of Federal, Winchester, or Remington.
Another load that is of particular interest is the Federal 3" Flitecontrol OOB 12 pellet load. I wonder if this might just be the load that takes me to thirty or forty yards effectively while staying in OO Buck.
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I think that a solid hit with any of the loads listed above should take care of the problem.
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The first 4 in mine are #4 buck and the last two are OO. Don't ask me why, I don't have a good answer. I have always been a fan of the #4's especially inside a dwelling. I highly doubt I would go chasing a survivor out of my house, but in the unlikely event I think the 00 might be a tad better.


I too learned about the safety the hard way. Since I have changed the way I grip it, it is no longer an issue. I have shot the **** out of mine and I can quarantee if you are within 20yards of me I will own you.
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If anyone is interested Palmetto has the Shockwave for $389. There's also a note: "Not For Sale for Residents of Texas or Ohio"

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I'm one who used to believe that bird shot was best used on birds only. But that has changed with the advancement of certain ammo types and testing.

I have personally tested Federal controlled flight #4 turkey loads

and 00 buck.


The shotguns used: 26" barrel with turkey choke. 24" cylinder bore (no choke). And 28" improved.

We shot turkey size targets at varying distances from 5 yards to 50 yards. This testing was done for two reasons. We were going turkey hunting obviously and my dad wanted to use his favorite shotgun for home defense which is the 24" cylinder bore.

Our findings.

We did not shoot the 00 buck through the turkey gun. But we found that out to 50 yards the turkey gun was awesome with the Federal #4 turkey load. We also shot other #4 and #5 loads without flight control and the results weren't near as good. Not even close. Most of the Federal pellets hit the target at 50 yards. Recoil wasn't bad at all.

We shot the other two shotguns with Federal flight control 00 buck at distances from 5 to 20 yards. With both shotguns results were impressive at 20 yards and even more so at 10 yards. All pellets hit the target. Again recoil wasn't bad.

Then we shot the Federal #4 turkey loads with both guns. Results were the same. Even the cylinder bore gun was impressive at 20 yards.

Our conclusions were that either load would work well inside my fathers home from distances as far as 15 yards with his favorite shotgun. He chose the #4 turkey load. At 1250 fps, it's more than enough to do the job.

So my suggestion is, pick either one and test it. The problem with shot guns and ammo selection is that results can vary from person to person and gun to gun.
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How about a tracer? If you set him on fire , the buckshot will put it out.


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Hickok 45 does a cool video, but as we can see from the bandage on his hand there are out takes. The slug shots were all practiced ahead of time. The gong targets are also quite large at the extended distances. This is not meant to say that the individual doesn't have shooting ability, just to highlight that there is some practice going on in the background.

There are all very solid loads in the poll. It would be really cool if the guys that had Shockwaves could post their test pattern data and maybe we could find out what works best and gives the most useful range.
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Winchester PDX Defender 3xOO Buck and Slug
Federal Flitecontrol OOB 12 pellet 3"
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My house is rather small. Longest distance is probably no more than 5 yards. At that range almost anything out of a 12 GA. is devastating to a human threat.

No, I'm not saying I use the lightest #9 trap load on the market... but yes, at 5 yds that choice is most certainly lethal.

I have 000 BK right now but wouldn't feel defenseless with 00, 0, 4 BK, #6 turkey or whatever.

Any difference between the loads is overshadowed by how much (or little) training and proficiency we have with our guns anyway.
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Don't have a shockwave, but have an 18" 500 and a 6" super shorty. I've tried the good stuff with flite control wads and the cheap Walmart stuff, all 00 buck. The 18" gets cheap stuff cause it patterns better at my realistic distances. The super shorty gets flite control cause it actuall spreads while the cheap stuff doesn't at those distances from that gun. My advice is try it where you'll most likely use it (hopefully never) and use what works for you.
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It is, but I immediately discount the author's intelligence due to this unfortunate mistake:

First, he/she cites this:

Sawed-off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall." Emphasis added.


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The Mossberg Shockwave has a barrel length of 14". Accordingly, with a barrel of less than 16" long, it is considered a "Sawed-off firearm" under Ohio Law. In Ohio, there is no barrel length exception, even with an overall length of 26 or greater.


Stopped paying attention after that misstatement, which constituted the first two paragraphs of Sean's legal opinion. Thanks for trying . . .
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It is, but I immediately discount the author's intelligence due to this unfortunate mistake:

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Sawed-off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall." Emphasis added.


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The Mossberg Shockwave has a barrel length of 14". Accordingly, with a barrel of less than 16" long, it is considered a "Sawed-off firearm" under Ohio Law. In Ohio, there is no barrel length exception, even with an overall length of 26 or greater.


Stopped paying attention after that misstatement, which constituted the first two paragraphs of Sean's legal opinion. Thanks for trying . . .
I saw the "supposed error" in the interpretation also, BUT since the gun is not an SBS or AOW under BATFE rulings this week he's trying to revert to the 16" for the firearm. Then he has the whole phrase in about the law not being interpreted to an absurd result and taking common accepted definitions so that puts it right back in the shotgun category as far the state is concerned. Finally, we have all the OR's which pretty much turn the whole thing into a nope show catch all. Two out of three nopes is bad.
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Don't have a shockwave, but have an 18" 500 and a 6" super shorty. I've tried the good stuff with flite control wads and the cheap Walmart stuff, all 00 buck. The 18" gets cheap stuff cause it patterns better at my realistic distances. The super shorty gets flite control cause it actuall spreads while the cheap stuff doesn't at those distances from that gun. My advice is try it where you'll most likely use it (hopefully never) and use what works for you.
Am I reading this correctly that you are trying to tell us that the Flitecontrol makes even bigger patterns than the cheap buffered buckshot from Walmart?

In other news, I watched some videos of folks patterning their Shockwaves​. First up is "long beard" who single loads OO Buck from the box, but somehow he found a magic load from Speer Lawman of OO Buck that is either glued or magnetized together out to fifteen yards. Or that goofball shot over the target with the patterns at the closer ranges and only the shot cup hit paper. The follow up with Winchester OO Buck clearly shows he didn't miss the target, but he gives cause to wonder.
For your viewing pleasure:Mossberg 590 Shockwave Review - YouTube
A better video where a guy does two tests of #4 Buck one Fiocchi and one Remington followed by Federal Classic OOB. This video is a lot better with someone who is at least comfortable with the pump shotgun:Patterning Buckshot With The Mossberg 590 Shockwave - YouTube
ETA: Speer Lawman OO Buck was/is an eight pellet Flitecontrol offering...no wonder it was super tight.
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I saw the "supposed error" in the interpretation also, BUT since the gun is not an SBS or AOW under BATFE rulings this week he's trying to revert to the 16" for the firearm. Then he has the whole phrase in about the law not being interpreted to an absurd result and taking common accepted definitions so that puts it right back in the shotgun category as far the state is concerned. Finally, we have all the OR's which pretty much turn the whole thing into a nope show catch all. Two out of three nopes is bad.
I have no idea how to relate what you typed to the law at hand . . .
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This depends on what my precived threat level is... Large bear? Griz? Or Meth fueled doper kicking in my door... Literally, a loaded question.. Bear? Gets the slug, garbage gets triple odd buckshot.. Kyle
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147 grain HST if I'm not going to be using a proper long gun. If using a shotgun then all of the shells in it would be either 2.75" #1 or 00 buckshot or slugs.

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Me. Nothing in Hickock45's video showed birdshot demonstrating adequate penetration. His video did demonstrate how awkward, slow, and inaccurate pistol-grip only shotguns are.
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I was trying to demonstrate how I followed his logic. I failed.
Basically the 26+" OAL does not excuse the 14" barrel as it is less than both 16" and 18".
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Me. Nothing in Hickock45's video showed birdshot demonstrating adequate penetration. His video did demonstrate how awkward, slow, and inaccurate pistol-grip only shotguns are.
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Basically the 26+" OAL does not excuse the 14" barrel as it is less than both 16" and 18".
Oh. Yeah, it does, at least federally . . .
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Too bad the state laws trump. Otherwise there'd be full capacity magazines nationwide.
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Just got back from the club's Plinking range. Shot 25ea birdshot and 00.

I followed the advice/techniques from the Thunder Ranch video. I found everything he said and along with what others here have echoed to be true. Easy to put lead on target and not terribly punishing to shoot. There was a couple others guys at the Plinking range who were of course curious and wandered over to see. Naturally, I handed the Shockwave to them and told them to give it a try. Afterward, both had identical grins and said they were buying one. And both commented that it was less punishing to shoot than they imagined. The verdict is in... happy Shockwave camper.

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Phil, did yours come with the rear sling stud or did you add it?
It came from the factory just like that.
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What to stoke up as the leadoff shell in a Shockwave or other short shotgun? What to stoke up as the leadoff shell in a Shockwave or other short shotgun? What to stoke up as the leadoff shell in a Shockwave or other short shotgun? What to stoke up as the leadoff shell in a Shockwave or other short shotgun? What to stoke up as the leadoff shell in a Shockwave or other short shotgun?  
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Well today I went shopping for buckshot to pattern my gadget. I went to Greentop Sporting Goods and picked up a few boxes. I balked at the cost of the PDX Defender shells and felt like the 000 Buck will actually do more damage than the those guys which were super slow. It was an eye opening experience as to how slow some buckshot offerings are. Pay particular attention​ to the #1 and #4 which really shocked me in the 3" offerings​. I will take my time patterning both Shockwaves and see which patterns best with the offerings I was able to procure. ZERO Flitecontrol offerings were in stock. I did pick up an interesting high velocity 12 pellet load from Winchester. Almost 1500 feet per second. I'm sort of pulling for it, but will try to remain objective.
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