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View Poll Results: Which shell would you choose for the first shot in the chamber?
2 O Buck 12 .32 pellets 6 4.26%
2" OO Buck 9 .33 pellets 49 34.75%
2" Mag OO Buck 12 .33 pellets 8 5.67%
3" Mag OO Buck 15 .33 pellets 7 4.96%
2" OOO Buck 8 .36 pellets 5 3.55%
3" OOO Buck 10 .36 pellets 3 2.13%
2" #1 Buck 16 .30 pellets 12 8.51%
3" #1 Buck 24 .30 pellets 4 2.84%
2" #4 Buck 27 .24 pellets 37 26.24%
3" #4 Buck 41 .24 pellets 5 3.55%
2" 1oz. Foster Slug @ 1600 fps 1 0.71%
2" ⅞oz. Slug @ 1800 fps 4 2.84%
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That load will open up and to a beautiful pattern beyond ten and remain full, but spready out to thirty yards.
But it still won't penetrate adequately. Pattern gets you nothing.
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In regard to #1 penetration, here are some excerpts from a lengthy article about home defense shotgun ammo.

This 12 inch minimum penetration performance guideline is meant to ensure that the bullet has adequate penetration potential to reach and disrupt vital organs. The 12 inch standard is the prevailing barometer used by the F.B.I.

[I]The Firearms Tactical Institute reports:

"Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 -inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body."


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I was going to say what Alaskavet already said. The circumstances
dictate what load you would carry. We have the big brown bears
(Grizzly) in all the states bordering Yellowstone, so I would consider
the 1 oz. slug the best first, second, third, etc. etc.
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"Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances."
I prefer some margin, in case the perp is wearing clothes.
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But it still won't penetrate adequately. Pattern gets you nothing.
First, hits on target are everything. Tell me more about the heavy penetrating fliers in your pattern and all the help they are. Secondly, I don't base my choices off ballistic gelatin. I know for a fact that 00 Buck fired at 1100 fps in a 3" shell will penetrate a deer through both ribs at 70 yards. I know at 90-100 yds #4 Buck will not penetrate beyond hide nearside. I have seen #1 Buck penetrate beyond fifty yards for killing effect. No it's not glorious 00, but it does pattern well and make hits that count. 1500 fps of spread out energy. Some of those loads you don't have to aim at all by 20 yards.

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I prefer some margin, in case the perp is wearing clothes.
If you are being accosted by a naked perp, slap yourself at least once to make sure you're not having a nightmare.
Naked perps respond best to 000 anyway.
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I've done lotsa reading about this - including this great thread - I've ordered some rubber pellet (Fiocchi LE) from Midway for my Shockwave for in-house use. I'm sure there are lots of arguments both ways - but I'll take my chances with the first round being non-lethal. I think it provides a better legal standing (I'm pure outhouse lawyer!) and I'm sure at across-the-room range that it'll put a hurt on anyone crashing into our place ...
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I've done lotsa reading about this - including this great thread - I've ordered some rubber pellet (Fiocchi LE) from Midway for my Shockwave for in-house use. I'm sure there are lots of arguments both ways - but I'll take my chances with the first round being non-lethal. I think it provides a better legal standing (I'm pure outhouse lawyer!) and I'm sure at across-the-room range that it'll put a hurt on anyone crashing into our place ...
I can see the idea behind the less than lethal first shot. Have you considered following up with buckshot to keep your posterior out of a sling if your rubber judo pellets don't especially dissuade the affected persons? Also have you considered that you're still going to meet the standards for use of lethal force with your less than lethal loads? Have you considered the potential for a ricochet of one of these rounds making life interesting for you also? I considered this load, but I find a significant risk increase that I am unprepared to accept.
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I've got nothing against 000.
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I've done lotsa reading about this - including this great thread - I've ordered some rubber pellet (Fiocchi LE) from Midway for my Shockwave for in-house use. I'm sure there are lots of arguments both ways - but I'll take my chances with the first round being non-lethal. I think it provides a better legal standing (I'm pure outhouse lawyer!) and I'm sure at across-the-room range that it'll put a hurt on anyone crashing into our place ...
I'm sure that Fiocchi makes quality ammo, but just for info., my buddy bought some less than lethal shotgun shells at a gun show. They were "loaded" with 1 rubber ball. We decided to try them out the same day that I was showing off my Remington 870 Gatekeeper II. He shot them out of his short barreled copy of the Winchester 1887 lever action 12 ga. (I believe his is Norinco). I wasn't favorably impressed with the quality of the gun, but I digress. None of the rubber balls shot ever made it out of the barrel. My point is beware of the "specialty" shotgun shells and if you shoot them, check the barrel for clear after each shot.
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I removed a few posts here.

Stay on topic. Knock off the bickering.
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So today I finally got around to shooting the PDX Slug and shot load, Herters Buck and Ball defensive load, and Hornady Critical Defense 8 pellet 00 Buck. Herters was the winner. The Hornady was stiff to eject so I gave up on it even though the pattern was ok. The PDX Slug and shot was very slug like with fliers. I wasn't impressed at 20 yards. The Herters load out performed the PDX in my opinion and a far better price point. I'm going to stick with my previous loads of #1 Buck from Federal and Winchester despite the fun I had.
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All 8 in the tube are 00 buck.
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I found some Herter's Multi-Defense, 2 3/4's that hold a single .65 ball and 6 No. 1 Buck. Seems like a good choice.
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So just taking a survey and maybe sparking a little discussion on how to load a short shotgun kept for defensive ​purposes. How would you set it up for the first shot?

First shot - 00 Buckshot
Second thru fifth shot - 00 Buckshot

All are 2 3/4 inch and the gun is
a 18" cylinder bore with a mounted light.
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