No way in heck would I EVER live under such a repressive regime....no way.
*******' libs are insane.

As an extra bonus, handling a firearm without a permit makes you a felon. Another kick in the nuts

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It would seem that such restrictions and regulations would be a violation of 2nd amendment by making it difficult to exercise that right. When I lived in N.C., I thought that it was a pain to have to "buy" a handgun purchase permit and wait for the Sheriff's approval before making a purchase. Moved to Florida which has a three day wait for handguns unless you have a CCL which after the obligatory background check, allows you to take it home. Living in a free state is a blessing.

Partially true as long as you have no powder, ball, caps for the black powder revolver. You have "the makings" in your dwelling or with you and you have the revolver it is in NY consider the same as a modern handgun and has to be on your pistol permit!

So a strict reading of the law if you have a BP rifle/shotgun you cannot have a BP pistol unless it is on your permit!

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Just a wee question - and, sorry, maybe a little bit off-topic! I assume you have to take the permit into an office each time? I've lived under a similar requirement when I was in Germany for many years. But, IIRC, since I had a sport shooter card, I could buy a pistol from the Rod & Gun Club then take the permit down town and have them add it to the card. In Germany, at that time, the permit (Waffenbesitzkarte or WBK) was a green card with room for, maybe, 10 handguns. The office had to send the WBK to Cologne for the pistol info to be added onto the card. The one tiny advantage of being old is I don't think I have to worry about seeing such a system here in VA ... I hope!!

I found an old copy of one side of my WBK - the Ruger GP-100 was a very sad story - I had to turn it in for (supposedly) destruction ...

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In NY state you have to get a amendment signed by a judge or designated pistol permit clerk to possesses you new handgun. Dependent on what county you are in that could take from minuets to a month or more. In my county its usual within a week.

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In my county its immediate. A few months ago I bought a new handgun, got the bill of sale, drove to the pistol permit office and registered it and then went back to the gun store and picked it up. Total time 2 hours.

Pistol permits are actually easy peasy. As long as you are not a felon, as it should be. But pistol permits are only one thing that we have to contend with, but to call it a hassle....?.

Our State parks are awesome and most open to hunting. Our state lands are open to hunting and fishing everywhere. Our scenery is beautiful, our weather optimum, our cost of living reasonable and the state services are better than most. If you are a sportsman, NY is the place to be.

We hunt and shoot in our backyard. Pristine bass waters are only 2 miles away. Since this is a sportsman's site I won't bother to go into the other social amenities available.

But what makes NY the best is our people - you won't find a finer bunch anywhere.

Am I happy here? - yes. Would I move? - no. When i was working i was a world traveler and I have never found a place that was better.

Now, a caveat.....I speak of NY State. NY City is a world of its own and only a fool would live there...

This was the 80's, I bought the BP pistol (in NY) prior to the permit. No issues buying primers/powder/bullets, later and there was a cooling off period (for the gun). Cuz you know if you want to commit a crime/murder, black powder is always your first choice. No problemo shooting it at Calverton, Huntington range you weren't allowed in the pistol section without your license. Then I added the BP pistol to my license when I finally got it. No rifles or shotguns were ever listed, (on the pistol permit) but I'm sure records existed. If I was illegal, oh well, I did my best. & the kicker, the handguns I had to leave in CO waiting for my permit, got stolen! So much for going by the book, which of course I do, but don't have to like it. Things MAY HAVE changed in 35 some years.

To the best of my knowledge there never was a problem buying black powder (if in small quantities) caps or BP projectiles. Same for BP pistols just go and buy them the sticky wicket came when you also had the means to make it fire. Then it has to be on a permit to be legal.

I bought 3 pistols, 2 right over the counter (a local K mart) but I never had the powder,ball or caps. Two of them were kits I assembled and then sold never firing them, this was in the late 70s early 80s. The other one was for sale at a garage sale and I bought it cheap and sold it. Never owned a BP long gun.

Yes I agree NY laws tend to be rather convoluted.

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All the details above are exactly why I moved out of New York last year to a constitutional carry state! You get to a point where you simply have enough! Most recent purchase in a free state ( having obtained the somewhat redundant carry permit) the permit is considered valid for waiving a nice check, such a different world outside communist territory!

And people say CA is bad.

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By comparison, California is quite bad. We don't have any list of "approved" firearms, for instance. And I'm free to buy as many handguns as I want, as often as I want. If I wanted to transfer a handgun to another member of my immediate family residing in the same household, all I need to do is fill out a form, have it notarized, and apply for the amendment at my sheriff's office. Since you follow the procedures applicable to your county of residence, it's not confusing at all once you get through buying your first handgun.

What's more frustrating are sellers that don't want to ship handguns to NY. There's really nothing complicated. All that's required on the seller's end is to take the gun to their FFL, and have them ship the gun to the buyer's FFL (whatever the FFL charges, you'll save on shipping anyway). And that's it!

The only mildly irritating laws are:

• Internet ammunition purchases must be received by an FFL
• Any new AR-15 you buy must have a hideous NY-compliant stock, or have its detachable magazine replaced with a fixed magazine
• No pistol may have a magazine forward of the trigger (no Pardinis, for example)
• 10-round magazine cap
• No suppressors

And to be honest, when it comes to internet ammunition purchases and "assault weapon" registration, the sheriffs have all collectively said that they don't feel like enforcing it. Literally a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Is it annoying sometimes? Sure, when I get an amendment in the mail at 6 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon, and my FFL closes in 30 minutes and doesn't open again until Tuesday. Would I like it to be easier and less-regulated? Always--but I'd never be happy, tbh. Do I walk around all day griping about how oppressed I am? Not really, although the AR-15 limitations are quite onerous.

I hear ya. Now and then I'll have the displeasure of being lectured by some loud-mouthed genius at the club about how wonderful Tennessee gun laws are and how other states like CA and NY ... blah blah blah... you've heard a million times... with an attitude that somehow Tennesseeans are genetically gun rights superior . I remind them (actually they have no clue to begin with) what Tennessee was like not that long ago.

For anyone curious, this is a glimpse into just how screwed up things were in Tennessee just a few years ago.

Prior to 1989, Tennessee was a limited “open carry” state. Tennessee’s open carry law was limited to “army or navy” pistols but only if such pistols were carried openly in the hand. The statute did not allow citizens to holster the weapons or to carry these types of pistols concealed. A person would have to become a special deputy or receive a special police commission in order carry a handgun that did not fit the “army or navy” designation. These commissions were also necessary if the individual wanted to carry the weapon concealed or holstered.

In 1989, Tennessee overhauled its handgun carry laws to provide that sheriffs “may issue” a handgun carry permit to authorize “any person” to carry a handgun. This change in the law allowed a sheriff to issue handgun carry permits without having to make the person a special deputy or officer. Although the 1989 law authorized a sheriff to issue handgun carry permits there were problems. First, it did not require the sheriff to issue civilian permits. Second, the permits were only good in the county in which they were issued...........
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And the article goes on to document the struggles with getting Shall Issue up and running.

Civilian Permits

For the ammunition deprived, Targetsportsusa has been shipping to your NY doorstep for all but a small period since that onerous unSAFE Law was passed.
And, there's others.

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I think everyone knew it, but everyone was also keeping their mouths shut so it would continue.

In any case, I simply buy rimfire match ammo by the case ($10 FFL fee on $400 for 5000 rounds isn't a big deal), and reload everything else. Reloading in general is a good hedge against ammunition legislation.

Hey, this particular New York state resident has it figured out:

I’m a member of Congress. I’m going to start carrying a gun. - The Washington Post

Simply get elected to Congress, and get your concealed carry permit!

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CA laws are quite bad. No argument there. But I don't have to wait a year for permission from the state to buy a gun. In fact, I don't need permission at all.

Even so, the other stuff is quite terrible.

I'd rather live in a free state, but I'm stuck here for now.

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