Oldest daughter is going to Syracuse U. for graduate school. Got her a Mossberg 20A but she wants a revolver.

I know of the NY requirements for pistol permits for home and range use.

Does it really take six months to get a permit? Can you take a safety course while the permit process is going forward?

Anyone live in Syracuse? What will it be like for a 27 y.o. girleee living on her own? I told her to use both the scatter gun and then the pistol when she is permitted.

thanks for the info..
Blindbirddog

Some counties in NY may take a year or longer to get permission to own a handgun. Each county has their own rules and procedures, and it's up to the county judge. The exceptions to the rule, NYC and Long Island.
I think the Cuse area may be better than most, I've heard it is.
It ain't pretty.
Lotsa luck.

Edit: you need a safety course before applying

I think members Koz and Hillbilly77 live up that way, they should soon chime in.

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well as a life long NY resident...Pistol Permits take time...6 months is very common where i live...there is no way to rush it either....God Bless,John...what takes the time is the research they do when check you out...

It depends entirely on the county. Even what process you go through depends on what the judge and sheriff feel like doing.

In Albany Co, you have to appear before the judge to get a pistol permit. And you're not getting a carry. In other counties, it ranges from 6-12 months, contingent on a safety class. Up in Warren County, practically as rural as it gets, you can get a "Hunting and Target" pistol permit, but there's no way you're ever going to get a CCW.

In some counties, in order to buy/transfer, you have to buy the gun, take/mail the receipt to the sheriff's office for an amendment to your pistol permit, wait a while (I've had as little as 2 weeks, as long as a month and a half back in the Bad Old Days), get the amendment in the mail, and bring that back to the FFL.

In other counties nearby, the sheriff's office happily dispenses blank amendments--you buy the gun like normal, and drop off the filled-out amendment on your way home.

I would call around to some shops in the county and find out. Just because Syracuse is north of Suffolk County doesn't mean it doesn't suck out loud.

What I would not do is send the revolver up with her.

Another thing that can come in handy is a junk gun. Some counties require you to have a handgun purchased before you can even apply. So instead of plunking down $800 on a shiny, she can either pick out some $75 barely-working piece of garbage, or you can FFL said worthless piece of garbage to her. That way, while she's waiting on her permit, you guys have only got a cheap token gun sitting in the FFL's safe. When the permit comes through, then you buy/send the one you really want.

I think under much objections from county Sheriffs, the NYS pistol permit situation is about to get a lot better or a lot worse, The NYSP will be taking over the whole operation in 2018. It will be a big Albany run operation. God help the residence of NY. NYC, and the two counties in Long Island excluded. Thank God I escaped from NY to the sunny, free, gun capital of the country Arizona. Land of the free, home of the heavily armed.

I'm aware of the NYSP plan. All I have to say is: GL trying to condense and consolidate the paper records of 62 counties and umpteen hundred thousand handgun owners, and probably millions of handguns. Especially when said records are frequently for deceased individuals and long-lost guns.

Several counties are comically lax in how they handle things, but the overriding factor is that they are, generally-speaking, overseeing permitting for law-abiding folks. We do have our fringe elements, but they're few and far between.

The bigger issue is that the state wishes to make one rule to govern a big, diverse state. What works in NYC and what voters are willing to support down there, doesn't necessarily work in Saratoga, Washington, or Warren Counties.

So to be honest, I would much rather have the flexibility and deal with the confusion of our current system.

That is an "amazing read".

O U C H ! !

What a nightmare!

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K & N S&W revolvers

You New Yorkers need to replace your government.

There is a 'residence requirement' for NYS P/P applicants (or at least there was).
Again it may vary my County. In Monroe Cty (Rochester) the applications stated that the applicant had to be a resident of the County for at least 6mo PRIOR to the date of their application.
..and you must provide 3 additional character references from the State (or other NYS County) you lived previously if you have not been here for at least 3 years. This is in addition to the 4 local references already required. All references signatures notarized.
Current wait here is about 1 yr. They will tell you 6mo, but at 6mo they tell you they're still working on it and it;ll be another 5 or 6.


Here's a link to the Onondaga Cty Sheriffs Pistol Permit Application:
http://sheriff.ongov.net/wp-content/...ion-6-7-17.pdf

Read through this baby and you'll be drinking early today.
I'm sure there's differences in fine point rules from other Counties around it but the general application is the same.

Best of Luck to you and your Daughter



added: It used to be that you had to actually buy a handgun first, have the dealer give you a receipt w/the gun description, ser#, ect on it and turn that info in with your application. The dealer hung on to the handgun while the permit application was being processed.
When the permit was issued, it came through with that gun already on it. You then went to the dealer and collected 'your' pistola. The dealer gets a small receipt from the P/P licensing agent (County Clerk) that says it's Ok to release the gun to the permit holder.
That worked OK when permits were issued in a few weeks. But now with months and yr(s) wait,,the dealer doesn't want to keep a decent gun out of rotation.Some demanded paid in full w/no refund on an application gun purchase. Always a chance the permit gets denied.
So many started a 'permit getter' selection as Wise A mentioned. Usually cheap top breaks for under $50 just to apply for the permit on.

Now most (all?) countys allow you to apply with out demanding the up front purchase of a handgun (how nice of them).
Your permit does not expire if there are no pistols on it either, but some put limits on them in total number, number of guns in the same caliber, when and where the pistol can be used and for what purpose, ect.
All depends on what the almighty Judges feel like doing.

So happy I left the Northeast for the sunny South.

I left NJ almost 40 years ago. I remember the 4 part form to buy a model 19, a separate card for NJOID. I don't even go back to visit. Joe

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Wisdom chases me; I'm faster

Sure,great advice,unless you're vastly outnumbered by those that want it the way that it is.

What an eye opening read.

My manager is wanting me to take a promotion that would entail me to move to NYC. I'm really resisting the idea, due to all the nonsense you have to deal with up there with gun licensing.

Given that I currently live in GA, where my permit allows me to carry just about anywhere, that would be a major change.

Simply put you will not get a permit in NYC! PERIOD
Also if you get a permit outside of NYC it is not valid there!

As others have stated counties and many cites administer our convoluted Pistol Permit situation. Many go to their own different drum which in this state as long as they stay inside the very wide parameters of the law can make things very interesting.

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

Very very very few carry permits in NYC. First there's the matter of the several thousand dollar, none refundable application fee. Then you will be denied. Period, end of story. You're not special, no one is after you!

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This is why I bore people on the Forum by maintaining: "Never say never." If you live in a less restrictive part of the country, you have to remain vigilant about your firearm rights. Here in Nevada, out-of-state instigators pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment last year, which barely passed, but has been held in abeyance by our State Attorney General, bless him.

The antis will never stop.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

I've read a lot about NY and their gun laws and it begs one question: Are they any safer b/c of all this?

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LEO (Ret.)

I always get a kick out of some who proclaim their state to be "free" but when you dig deeper it ain't quite so.
For instance, in NY we carried in bars all the time, not so in many "free" states.
Heck, I never paid a .01, nor "renewed" my NY permit for 30+ years besides the initial costs to get it. We always had lifetime permits. Most other states have renewal periods.
5 year recerts arestarting next year but still no fee.
No such thing as "free" when you need someone's permission to defend yourself.
ymmv

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Put me down for $20 on "a lot worse".

I'd be more concerned about the rents, high real estate prices and property taxes than anything else.
Prepare for major shock.

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That is what I suspected from everything I've been able to research. NYC already has an astronomical cost of living. With restrictions like that, it is very unattractive to me as a place to reside. I'm almost to the point where if he pushes the issue, I'm willing to change companies to not have to move to NYC. I'm a CPA, so it's not like it's going to be hard for me to find work elsewhere (or even set up my own practice).

Back in the late "70's" when I was a deputy sheriff, NYC jailed one or our young lads that we wanted back so we could give him food and shelter for the next 6 to 30 years.
The mutt waived extradition, and I was all set to fetch him back to Illinois, when the New York copper I was dealing with told me "By the way, you can't bring your weapon to New York." When I suggested that traveling with a violent felon in custody was not something we did while unarmed, he said that no one except NYC police, NY State Police and the feds were allowed to carry in NYC. I told him to keep the mutt.
I did go get him. NYC police took my gun when I entered the jail (standard operating procedure anywhere), escorted me an my prisoner to the jail exit, returned my weapon, and gave us a ride to the airport.
I ended up with the same deal I would have gotten in Texas (except the one time I went to Texas for a prisoner, I drove), just got a hard time first!

A very educational thread. As a Texan, all I can say is .

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What, me worry?

My marriage license and my drivers license are respected in all of this country, and the Constitution says nothing about driving or being married! What is with this thinking and why would Americans stand for it?

Ivan

Ivan, as I said above, the antis will never stop until they do away with all of our firearms. They will stoop to the lowest levels possible if it suits their purposes.

The NYS R&P Association fought for decades to allow upstate shooters to enjoy their rights and hobby. What happened? The governor pushed an anti-assault rifle bill through the state legislature at night, I was told (please correct me if I am wrong). Here in Nevada, out-of-state provocateurs pushed for the Universal Background Check amendment. They allegedly collected over 200,000 signatures for the proposal to be placed on the ballot. I do not believe these signatures were either counted or checked for veracity. These were people not from NV. The initiative passed by about 10,000 votes, but has been blocked by the state Attorney General.

As to how the antis get elected, they support other issues that most would agree on. Gun control goes along for the ride. Also, voters who move to lower tax areas often bring their progressive ideas with them. And people simply vote for their party, regardless. "And what could be bad about UBCs? We'll all be safer." Who said that eternal vigilance is the price we pay for freedom?

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

If I remember correctly it was after midnight on a Friday night, when most people were not paying attention, and right after the Newtown school shooting.
The Gov stuffed the pockets of a number of RINO's and majority leaders of the legislature, and voila, AWB.

The silver lining, minuscule as it may be, two of those crooks got indicted and convicted of financial malfeasance and are spending time in Federal care.

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That was interesting. My daughter grew up in NH. You want a gun, you buy a gun. You get the gun the same day. Now we don't need permits to conceal carry. Not a lot of people get shot here.

I bought her a 20 ga. semi for the interim it takes to obtain the home possession pistol permit. I guess she will have to shoot the S&W combat masterpiece (38SP) when she comes home for a visit. She can take it back to VA with her but can't carry in D.C. when she goes to work in the pentagon.

Thanks to all who commented. I am wondering if the permit is worth it for 18 months of graduate school. 6 shots of #3 buck shot from a semi should be pretty good for self defense in the home. Point and pull.

Regards,
Blindbirddog

I live in Syracuse and just got my ccw permit. My process was first I took the handgun safety course which is required at Runnings in clay. The next day I went to the sheriffs office downtown and got my application at which time they give you your "interview" date. The interview is just when you bring in the finished application and they go over it to make sure everything is complete. From there you call and make an appointment for fingerprints and background check, usually the next week. My interview was 3 weeks after I got the application at the sheriffs office. There are 4 judges that decide which permit you get, 3 are pro-gun and one is anti-gun. I have many friends who have never shot a handgun or really want to ccw but applied and got one of the 3 pro-gun judges and got their ccw. I also know people who work in the gun business and have jobs where it's needed and only got the sportsman permit because they got the wrong judge. Myself, I did get my ccw despite getting judge #4 only because I am ex-military and he made sure I know that from my permit letter. From the day I dropped my application off at the sheriffs office I got my permit letter in the mail 4 weeks later to the day so the whole process took 6 1/2 weeks from the day I took the handgun safety class. You can speed this up by going to the sheriffs office first and getting your interview date and doing the rest before you drop it off.
I'll add this, you mentioned she's a resident of NH? Pretty sure you have to be a resident of NY and specifically Onondaga county to get it here, and your 4 references also have to be residents of Onondaga county. Sorry for the long winded response, PM with any other questions.

Old cop, the answer to your question is a resounding NO! The biased press will tell you that the NYSafe Act which put in all sorts of rules is a great success. The real life statistics say nothing has changed. Now there is a push to have the State Police do a background check on anyone, EVERY TIME,he/she wants to buy ammo in any quantity. The NYS Police so far has not done so due to the massive resources needed not only to do on the spot checks but also for record keeping/retrieval. But what do you expect from a state that is way in red ink and now is giving free college to anyone whose family income is less than $125,000 per year. The NYS government is so far removed from reality it is a joke. So why not vote them out???Because there are a lot more people here on the dole than those that work for a living and all can vote.

Holy smokes......I thought living on the LEFT COAST in the Seattle area was restrictive.....you guys in NY are living in freakin communism!!!
My suggestion, get the heck out of that place and quick! I recently moved down to Prescott Valley AZ and I can honestly say that I finally feel like I now live in AMERICA once more!

Good luck to you guys/gals and let me know when you need some info.....there is lots of room for you to relocate down this way!!

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Good write-up. I'd forgotten about the four personal references--what a nightmare that was! Sounds easy, until you remember that most of the people you know don't actually live in your county, and it's not like you want to broadcast to your neighbors that you're a gunny person.

And yes, there's a residency requirement. Another pita for recent transplants.

As for how bad Syracuse is--probably as bad as Albany. But it doesn't matter where you go, tbh. As soon as you get just a few miles away from the main arteries of the state (I-87, I-90, the Thruway, etc), the scenery gets very Rust Belt / Appalachia-like, and there are pockets of very bad people.

Case in point, where I fish, there's a house owned by a T.D. Waterhouse nephew or somesuch. From that guy's expansive driveway, I can drive about 10 minutes and take you to a house--trailer/shack, really--with a dirt floor, and a Nazi flag flying out front. The guy that lives there has a decent collection of rifles and carbines--at least a few of which are decidedly not-legal--and from what I know of him, is approximately 10-15% of my own personal Why I Carry.

They passed it without reading it. It was so poorly-written, it didn't include a provision exempting the NYSP from the 7-round magazine limitation.

Don't give them a pass, however. The same Republicans voted last year to fund the NYSP database.

The fact of the matter is simple. The people whose ideology ruined NYC have moved north (and south, and west, and are coming to a city near you). The NRA will happily endorse anybody the Republican committees put forth, because there's no alternative. And the ones they nominate, endorse, and get elected, talk about "compromising" gun concerns for economic packages for the North country.

Literally, there is nobody looking out for us that won't sell us out in a heartbeat.

Make no mistake, it doesn't matter where you guys live--what happened to us up here is going to happen to you. Nevada and Colorado are just the start.

There are lots of fine Universities that are not in NY State.

NY is my Home of Record, I've my NY license since 1997, back when they gave them to 18 year olds. When I got mine it took a year to get.

The gentlemen, Mortonjl from Syracuse gave you an excellent run down. I would take him up on his offer of more info via PM. Unlike most folks that will pop up in a thread like this, he actually knows what he is talking about having just gone through it.

You/She needs to look into the residency requirements. Part 400 of the NYS Penal code doesn't require residency (It actually says an alien can get a license) but the local may. The difficult part will be the references, reread Mortonjl's post on that.

Another thing to consider is where she will be living. If it's the dorm, they may not be keen on her keeping firearms there. Also, NYS Penal Code section 265.01 makes it a class E felony to posses a weapon on College grounds without the schools permission. I suspect there are similar laws in other states.

Do not apply for a premise license, apply for concealed carry. The judge may restrict you to Hunting, fishing, camping and target shooting, but make them make the decision. When you put in for premise, you are restricting yourself.

That said the North Country is a great place for shooters and hunters, and there are a number of ranges in that area. I was stationed at FT Drum for a while and had a great time. I would tell you that snow tires are a very good investment.

The other trick Cuomo used was the "Message of Necessity" so the three day waiting period was skipped and the bill went for an immediate vote. This was (using the old -" never let a tragedy go to waste" political scheme) immediately after the Newtown, Connecticut school shooting.

Funny, they already had it written, just waiting for the right emotional pressure point....

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Not a chance here. I'd quit before moving there.

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I always perplexed when gun enthusiasts refuse to sell guns to other gun enthusiasts in Kali, with the reason being that they should change the laws,and since they haven't,we're going to punish them too.That only supports the system and harms friends in sport.

6 months for a permit in NY is nothing. Some counties are pushing 2 year waits.

Unlike some of the upstate counties, a Suffolk county PL holder doesn't have to buy or own a handgun.
Unlike some locales in the US, I can buy several handguns on the same day and have them in my possession,if I want to make the ride to PD HQ for the purchase orders.(which for me,is a bit of a schlep,as I live at the far end of the county)

Good point, Cam. We don't have weekly/monthly limits. Household transfers are also very easy and don't require an FFL, just a notary.

I've been renewing my Suffolk County NY PL every five years,starting from when I first got it in 1998. Bars are a no-no,though I've had mine with me in the restaurant section,on the way back from the range,rather than leave them in my station wagon in sketchy Riverhead.

Whatever semblance of gun owning freedom that existed in NY started north of Westchester and Rockland counties.
Most counties north of that area one can obtain an unrestricted license, not one of those hunting and target shooting things.

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I'm a 5th generation (Western) New Yorker and proud of it. Our standard of living is great, our real estate prices low and cost of living reasonable. I was offered a move to NC with double the salary and turned it down. We are now retired on a beautiful mountainside in southern NY.

My pistol permit was issued in 1972. It took a long time back then because of the county I was in. Five years ago my wife got hers in 5 weeks and my son in 5 days. Overall, after owning countless handguns over 50 years, I'd have to say its not really that bad.

To the OP - NEVER move to NYC - that place is the only place worse than CA. Guns are only the tip of the iceberg.

What is it about living in NY that makes it worth a the **** residents have to put up with?
Seriously.

As hard as we try, downstate will alway elect progressive idiots.

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Coming soon to upstate, NYC style licensing. I can't wait to retire and get the hell out

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In Suffolk county 1983 it took me 8 months & you could not buy/possess until you had it, couldn't even bring handguns I owned in from CO. My work around was a Ruger black powder revolver, that was OK, then. Kinda big for a purse. I hope she's not on campus, That might be frowned upon. A CCL fuggedabowdit.

I got mine relatively quick, but I also got stupidly lucky.

First, an hour after I made my appointment to file my permit (three months in advance), the lady at the sheriff's office called back to offer me an appointment the next day--someone had dropped out at the last minute. So I had to rush to get my four references in order, but I got 'em.

Then I was able to slip into an NRA Basic Pistol class by making a couple calls and showing up unannounced at a class or two--"just in case" someone no-showed to one of those. The lady that did the scheduling took mercy on me and slotted me in two months after my filing.

A months after that and I had my fingerprint appointment. One more month, and the permit was in my grubby little hands.