Between various threads on the forum, my concealed carry classes, and various programs that I have attended, it seems that when you have to employ your concealed firearm, he who gets arrested tends to be who calls the police last. I was curious how many members here that carry make a cell phone part of your concealed carry gear?

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Judge control not gun control!

I'd consider it pretty much a requirement at this point. Going to be more difficult to articulate that you felt your life was in danger if you didn't dial 911 as soon as it was safe to do so.

I'll walk out my door without a gun before I'll walk out the door without a phone.

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Retired Career Security Guard

Seen many pay phones lately? Can't dial 911 before or after I have to defend myself or if I witness a crime/emergency.

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Life Is A Gift. Defend it!

I voted "No" because it has been a part of my everyday "carry" before (and after) I got my CCW license. It's like asking us if our car keys are part of our concealed carry equipment. Or our wallets.

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Most definitely. Don't leave home without it, along with your EDC. An extra measure of protection when traveling on the highway. Especially these days.

I try to keep my equipment load to a minimum. Although I usually have a knife and a cell phone in my vehicle, I do not regularly carry either.

I too have heard the saying, "he who gets arrested tends to be who calls the police last", but that does not make any sense to me at all. The police are not stupid, and I feel confident they determine what happened and make any necessary and proper arrests 90% of the time, or more.

I have a phone so my wife can contact me, or vice versa. All other purposes are secondary. However, I do think they're extremely important as far as self defense/concealed carry goes, and I'm more likely to not have a gun than my phone. But I always have both.

Personal cell phone and work cell phone.

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Luke 22:36

I generally have a cell phone on me or in the car/truck....... I'd rather call 911 than draw my gun ....... and if I have to I still need to call 911.

At minimum one needs to report an.... assault

So you're completely comfortable with a thin blue god figuring out what happened and deciding your fate? I, for one, am not. I'd like to assist those folks in determining the truth of the situation as much as I am able. People relaying information to the responding officers are listened to with far less scrutiny than someone at the scene. So let's tell our side of the story to the dispatcher and have the cavalry more likely to believe us when they come riding to our belated rescue.

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I always carry a cell phone when armed.

I've even left home without my gun because I forgot to charge my cell phone.

Well... if you get into a gun fight and the other guy ends up to be the one who calls the police afterward... uh...

Really? Not me, I'd rather have a gun.

I know I am a member of US Law Shield, and they regularly hold seminars in our area with program lawyers and other legal experts. What they advise is if you are in a situation where you have to draw and defend yourself is to call 911 as soon as safely possible, saying that you have been the victim of a home invasion, burglary, or whatever the situation may be, and that shots have been fired and medical assistance will be needed. Then describe yourself and clothing and give the location and hang up at that point. Then, the next call you make (for US Law Shield members) is the number on your membership card to the program lawyer. When the police arrive, cooperate but preserve your 5th amendment rights until the program lawyer arrives on scene. He / She will take it from there - getting your story and managing communication with the police. That's one of the things I like about this program - you have a complete plan and know just what you need to do if you end up having to draw.

Obviously, for this to work, you need to have a phone with you at all times.

I don't know about part of concealed carry gear but gun or not I always have my cell phone. I've had it before I owned guns and especially now when a phone is more than just a phone

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I guess it would depend on where you are and how you present yourself. A guy in a suit and a dead crack head..... I doubt the cops are thinking the guy in the suit was trying to rob the crack head! Usually the bad guy has a criminal history. Now if you have two Bubbas going at it.....who knows, right?



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Read my post again, please. You are mis-stating what I wrote. Oh, and drop the drama too.

Right.

I use my smartphone for a myriad of things everyday, navigation, music, stock trading... on and on... and sometimes even to make a call!

I mean... it's not like I'm thinking I better not forget to carry my smartphone in case I get into a gun fight today.

I do not carry a cell solely because I am armed. I have it for what ever I choose and any emergency, large or small, that might arise.
As we have seen at any happening, it will be recorded by multiple cells and multiple calls beside your own.

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I guess I don't understand. My kids carry cell phones . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Not all cases end in administered deadly force leaving the offending individual dead or even shot.
Example A: Heaven forbid I miss and that miss instantly turns a deadly threat into a passive non-threat that has an articulate and vastly different story than mine when the police arrive. How hard is it for someone to have a plausible explanation for interaction with you and being in that area? A smart crook could have this loose end tied up. I try to never underestimate what I may be up against.
Example B: Worse still, I shoot and wound some "pillar of the community" that screams bloody murder and no longer poses a threat. Now I've got a screaming perp and a crowd of "witnesses" with a vastly different account of what really happened.
It isn't all sunshine and lollipops. It sucks and you had better get used to suboptimal situations, outcomes, maintaining a solemn attitude and an infinitesimal amount of patience. I shoot a lot and have a high skill level with a handgun, however I am prepared to deal with something other than a one shot stop. I also cheat and bring a second responsibly armed person with me a lot. Drives my odds of survival/AVOIDANCE way up and there's always two stories that match.

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But what did those people do to deserve to get shot?

There also what called an investigation. It doesn't just go by who called first. Why was the pillar of the community shot? What did he do?

A smart crook is probably already known to the police and if it's in my house he's he better have the deed to my house

Show me where a criminal got off by calling the police first

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With all that angst, you probably should carry pepper spray. Or maybe a stick . . .

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Haha, I'm not going to be carrying pepper spray, but a stick would be great if I were hiking. A futile attempt to illustrate situations where we could possibly be not the only voice in the ear of those asking questions during an investigation. I forget that we are all accosted by crackheads whilst in suits that drop dead as yesterday's news with one shot from the mousefart carry load of the week. I'm realistic about the sequence of events.

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I was always taught that I must exhaust all other means before using deadly force. Az has really fair gun laws but there is a requirement that must be fulfilled. And when the cops show up, the shooter will be the first one in cuffs. Good shoot or not. Ask me how I know.

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Sounds familiar, though I do carry a small pocketknife every day. I know where my cellphone is (or think I do ) about 50-75% of the time - usually in the car.

Would that we all had that foresight . . .

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I am surprised that no one has mentioned the second most important reason to have a cell phone...

It is to photograph the crime scene and witnesses.

After calling 911 I am not calling a lawyer. I am using my cellphone camera and video to document evidence and anyone standing nearby. Evidence can be picked up by someone and disappear before Police arrive. Likewise witnesses may not want to get involved and leave and other that were not present people can claim to be witnesses.

I would carry a cell phone whether I was armed, or not. I don't plan on being in a shooting, but am prepared. My cell phone most likely emergency use would be if I had another heart attack.

As far as getting arrested, not my major concern, getting convicted is a major concern. My favorite attorney has given some good advice. First is KYBMS/Keep Your Big Mouth Shut. It is better to spend a few hours, or a couple of days in jail then years in jail. As far as staying in jail you are either justified, or you are not. Who makes the call makes no difference.

A person does not need a cell phone for that. There are different forms of very small camcorders that are not expensive. I would prefer that any evidence be seen by the attorney first. The police are most likely going to take your cell phone once on the scene.

You walk around with a camcorder in the hopes that you will record an incident and it won't be seized by police?

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

I don't know any normal person who just up and decides to attack someone just because. There are people who commit bad acts while drunk, there are bad guys but there is no normal citizen who just up and decides to rob you on the street.

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When in doubt dial 1911 instead.

Always have my cell phone.

OK. How do you know?

It's kinda a weird question. I mean, I don't feel the need to conceal my phone.

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Freedom isn't free.

Carry my phone when going out .. have it set that when its turned on my video app comes on and with one press I am taping and videoing everything going on .. If a defensive situation does happen and shots are fired that tape may be a deciding factor in your case whether you will be charged or not ..

If my wife is with me she will video anyone there in the area that may be a witness and any cars or other identifying things and a video of the face of anyone that is there .. and especially anyone leaving .. especially if that person seems to be in a great hurry to leave the scene !! that person could well be in with the Perp you have just dealt with .. always watch your back .. another thing my wife will do .. she will be the eyes in the back of my head .. warning me of anyone approaching .. she will continue to record even after police arrive as you will want a video recording of that also .. I will be on my phone to the Emergency Operator (911)

As others have said people have lied about being at a crime scene and about where they were and what transpired and what they saw .. so a sound and video recording of what happened the area and people that are there can be very helpfully if your case has to go to a court of law ..

Got kind of testy in here.

I'm almost eighty, my health is very poor and deteriorating, and I drive an old car. I have a wealth of reasons to carry my little non-smart flip phone besides self defense.

So I do. I don't walk out my door without a gun, a one-hand-opening knife (ever try to cut a seat belt when you're in it?), my rescue inhaler, and the phone. There's also a small flashlight on my key ring.

All this is on my person, not in my car. I'm not, repeat, not paranoid. But I'm old and ill and vulnerable, and have amassed some wisdom the hard way.

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Oh well, what the hell.

When I used to have a cell phone, it didn't take pics. No camera. It was a tracfone and would not get any reception unless you were standing right under a tower. My son has a cell phone, a smart phone and his bill is around 200 a month. I don't want to spend that much. I seem to have lived 66 years without a cell phone and for many of those years no phone at all. No land line or radio type phone. I would never shoot someone that didn't CLEARLY need it and since everyone seems to have a phone, maybe I could borrow one. I just don't want one really. I would forget it like everything else. I do remember the gun though. Even bullets sometimes. I have stuck a stun gun in my pocket a couple of times when I was at a place that was known for trouble. I know, I'm just and old guy with old fashioned ways. I should go get a cell phone tomorrow........but I ain't. Maybe like this in .45 ACP.
Peace,
Gordon

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$200 That's just insane! But it depends on the phone and the provider. If the phone is $1000 plus the highest most expensive plan....well maybe it can get to $200 a month. I have 2 gigs of data, which is more than enough since almost every place has free WiFi and my phone is $500. Add in taxes and fees and I pay $75 a month and that actually high now. I'm stuck in my plan for the time being but at the moment you can get AT&T/Spring/T-Mobile with unlimited data for around $35 + phone.

I use mine for so much. Makes life so much easier

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I thought the same, but you're correct that it depends on the carrier, and also where you're at. In some areas, your choices are pretty limited. I'm paying for four phone numbers, all with unlimited data, and along with making payments on two of the phones through the provider (national carrier), my bill is a little over $300 a month. Would be about $240 without the device payments . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Me the wife and two teens...... $200 isn't out of line!!!!

Crazy but ...............................

Getting old ...I remember when TV was free..... and w/o long distance calls the phone bill was less than $20

Three phones. Unlimited everything including unlimited 4G LTE data not throttled back after a certain point like many unlimited plans these days. $160 for all. But we have an old plan with Sprint when they had little 4G LTE coverage compared to the competition so they were willing to sign up unlimited plans with their 3G network cheaper at the time. On the flip side, we used to get discounted phones every two years but that's now gone. They want to lease ya a phone. Not going to do that.

I'm always seeing want appear to fantastic deals but when you inquire the details there's charges for this and that which explode to price.

The price of smartphones is kinda like guns... pales in comparison to the ongoing costs of use. (Had to add some type of gun related comment here )

No..my cell phone is not part of CC.

In a 3 second life and death situation my cell phone is useless.

My cell phone lilke all others cell phones are 24/7 communications links with the rest of the world and come somewhat of a necessity of everyday life.

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IIRC we pay around $70 a month, tax included for two phones. Both are regular flip phones. When I am out of the house I usually don't want to mess with what I call silly smart phone stuff.

If a person has there nose in the phone 24/7 they are more likely to get in a oh brown stuff situation than I am. IMO

Lol. Like you computer, that stuff only works IF you use it. It's not like you have to use it as soon as you step foot outside of the house

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I'm kinda confused, but then I was raised by parents who grew up in the depression. Why should I pay over double more for something I am not going to use?

I grew up in a similar depression.

Not how you had it phrased.

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I didn't grow up in depression... was a pretty happy kid. Happy older kid now with my iPhone.