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Incident in Mississippi in which a woman dropped her purse that contained a concealed weapon and the weapon discharged.

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So??? What is your point?
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It's for your reading pleasure.
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So you must agree with the author?
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Off body carry is stupid. That being said, she was either carrying it not in a holster and when she dropped the purse something got in the trigger or she had a Jennings or raven in there.
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Off body carry is stupid. That being said, she was either carrying it not in a holster and when she dropped the purse something got in the trigger or she had a Jennings or raven in there.
Article states it was a .22 caliber derringer.

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In a purse or a holster on body, if you carry junk, your asking for trouble. There are plenty of safe affordable guns out there.
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A person who is not mechanically inclined may not know a safe affordable gun from an unsafe affordable gun. One would hope that most adults would not **** around with dangerous devices that they don't know **** about, but I note that even on this forum there is some slight disagreement about safe carry.
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So you feel safer in "gun free zones"?
Do you want everyone else not to be able to CCW while you carry.
The author is not pro 2A.
Just a smug writer, #FAKE 2A, #FAKE CCW.
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... the woman with a (apparently loaded and not on safety) gun in her purse ... dropped her purse in a waiting room and her 22 caliber Derringer inside went off and struck a patient in the leg.
Journalists / Reporters are notorious for their lack of knowledge, particularly about firearms. "Apparently loaded" ?? I think this is pretty obvious. "Not on safety" ?? I doubt it had a safety. He / she misspelled "Deringer" to boot!

As for why post this story, it's a good idea, IMHO. If nothing else, it's a reminder of the serious responsibilities involved when we decide to carry, and the grave consequences of carelessness. She's facing a felony charge. No offense to anyone, just sayin' that a reminder like this is never a waste of time.
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First, it wasn't a hospital. I worked at UMMC and that is a private practice building across the street that houses one of the medical centers Family Practice offices among others. The hospital is across the street.

Second, off body carry is very common for women and particularly for older women that carry. In Mississippi when I was in residency there I was amazed at how many older women carried some interesting weapons in their purses.

Finally, gun buster signs seem to still carry the weight of law in Mississippi from what I can determine.
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Stolen Firearm?

McQuillen, 58, was charged by UMMC campus police and booked into the Hinds County Detention Center. According to the jail website she is charged with possession of a stolen firearm, carrying a concealed weapon and simple assault.

found this herehttp://www.clarionledger.com/story/n...nic/348423001/
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Whether you believe one should be able to carry everywhere or not, the law in Mississippi states that "no guns" signs carry the weight of the law. She was carrying inside a building that had signage prohibiting concealed carry. Having a permit does not put me above the law or allow me to ignore the law; on the contrary, I am more observant of the law. It does "us" no good to take the approach that we have a permit and, the law be damned, I am going to carry anywhere I please. That kind of attitude only hurts our cause and give fuel to the anti-gun crowd. The woman in the article broke the law(s) and should pay the price.
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McQuillen, 58, was charged by UMMC campus police and booked into the Hinds County Detention Center. According to the jail website she is charged with possession of a stolen firearm, carrying a concealed weapon and simple assault.

found this hereWoman charged after accidental shooting at UMMC medical clinic
So, in possession of a stolen gun...gee, wonder what else we will learn about story...thought having a stolen gun was illegal...to begin with...and if it turns out she has a prior felony conviction..must be one of those "loophole" guns I keep hearing about.
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So the woman had no care for laws period. Imagine that, the gun was reported stolen. It's not mine officer, I don't know how it got there. Honest.
I believe most if not all derringers don't have a trigger guard and with it loose in her purse that was an ND waiting to happen.

I have recently been to two doctor's offices that had the 30.06 and the 30.07 posted in their windows at entrances. The one doctor made the comment why are you wearing a Hawaiian shirt. I should have said to hide my gun but it was in my car because of his sign. He definitely was anti-gun it seemed.
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As for why post this story, it's a good idea, IMHO. If nothing else, it's a reminder of the serious responsibilities involved when we decide to carry, and the grave consequences of carelessness. She's facing a felony charge. No offense to anyone, just sayin' that a reminder like this is never a waste of time.
Agreed.

Safety and responsibility should always be a high priority. I don't carry where prohibited or even where it's a request not to. Some people who carry are fairly reckless and nonchalant about it and will go to great lengths to avoid places, cities and whole states where they aren't allowed to carry. From my perspective, that's not usually common sense or preparedness, but more fear and paranoia and that's no way to live life IMO.


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I have recently been to two doctor's offices that had the 30.06 and the 30.07 posted in their windows at entrances. The one doctor made the comment why are you wearing a Hawaiian shirt. I should have said to hide my gun but it was in my car because of his sign. He definitely was anti-gun it seemed.
I don't know the whole story here, and there are many factors that go into choosing a physician, but I would be suspicious of the overall intelligence of anyone who is anti-gun. Where I am, there seem to be plenty of MDs who aren't.
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Agreed.

Safety and responsibility should always be a high priority. I don't carry where prohibited or even where it's a request not to. Some people who carry are fairly reckless and nonchalant about it and will go to great lengths to avoid places, cities and whole states where they aren't allowed to carry. From my perspective, that's not usually common sense or preparedness, but more fear and paranoia and that's no way to live life IMO.


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Well that's good for you.
I CCW all the time everywhere.
I'm not a Kung Fu master like some folks here.
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When the gun discharged a bullet hit a patient in the leg. That is reason to make sure she can never own a gun again let alone carry one. We do not need a careless fool making responsible gun owners look bad.

While it is not clear whether she will or will not be charged, shonoughtnto be. Restitution, a week or two in jail, and maybe a a hundred hours of community service might raise her and other's consciousness. U
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Not all pertinent details here for me to make a judgement.

If the State you live in has laws covering carrying concealed, then follow them explicitly, and you will never have a problem.
Yes, there are places that legally prohibit you from carrying a concealed weapon. You also must comply.
Remember, it is a State's Privilege for one to carry a concealed weapon.
As a retired Federal LEO, this was drummed into your head from your first day at the Academy.
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Well that's good for you.
I CCW all the time everywhere.
I'm not a Kung Fu master like some folks here.
Do you literally carry everywhere, even when it's illegal?

Learning a little H2H is not a bad idea for anyone and is part of being a well prepared and responsible gun owner from my perspective. Not every self-defense problem requires a gun solution.
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Do you literally carry everywhere, even when it's illegal?

Learning a little H2H is not a bad idea for anyone and is part of being a well prepared and responsible gun owner from my perspective. Not every self-defense problem requires a gun solution.
Ya I do CCW everywhere. Look up the definition of concealed.

Hand to hand is a last resort. Anyone with military training will tell you that.
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Ya I do CCW everywhere. Look up the definition of concealed.

Hand to hand is a last resort. Anyone with military training will tell you that.
Do you as you see fit. I think it prudent and ethical to abide by the law.

What the military does or doesn't do is irrelevant to the discussion. Combat and self-defense are two very different topics that have very little in common with each other. In the context of civilian self-defense, using lethal force is actually the last resort.
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Reminds me of the time my Wife took me to the E.R. I remembered to leave the guns home but didn't think about anything els. When I took off my Jeans I just handed them to who ever was closest. It was one of the Nurses or whatever. She just grabbed them and out comes the speed loaders. As she about pooped on the floor my Wife quickly explained that we left in such a hurry that I didn't empty my pockets and ashured her the guns were not with me.
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If the State you live in has laws covering carrying concealed, then follow them explicitly, and you will never have a problem.
Yeah, bad guys aren't allowed to shoot you in a gun free zone.
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Do you literally carry everywhere, even when it's illegal?

Learning a little H2H is not a bad idea for anyone and is part of being a well prepared and responsible gun owner from my perspective. Not every self-defense problem requires a gun solution.
I bet the concealed carrier at Luby's cafeteria wishes she had instead of helplessly watching her parents executed.... oh wait she does

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I'm so glad that Virginia's laws regarding posted signs at private businesses can only get you banned from the store. If they don't know I'm carrying then they can't act on it.

Good belt, Good holster, Proper concealment is the key. I've been carrying concealed since 1986 and not even my family outside of the wife knows it.

Now, I did have to inform the hospital administrator to get his permission to keep it locked up in my car, in a steel vault bolted and welded in the trunk. I did this simply for the fact that they will fire you on the spot if they find you with a weapon. Since I'm a travelling RN and spend very little actual time at the hospital he's ok with it as is the chief nursing officer.
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It is a shame that some innocent victim got shot in the leg.....too bad the woman with her stolen gun didn't accidently shoot herself. that would have been a better headline!
"Criminal with stolen gun ,shoot herself, story at 11:00 PM"
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my family is full of pro 2A doctors. all permitted, and carriers. only place they don't, is 1 hospital in the psych dept. otherwise FULLY heeled at ALL times. good old hippa in action.
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Most derringers have no hammer block safety. The NAA does have safety notches, but one has to be smart enough to use them.

While I obey all laws I have to admit that being legally dead is not a good option. It is only a matter of time before a terrorist picks a hospital. Hospitals should have ARMED security, but I have never seen an armed hospital guard, except for campus hospitals(university police) but then they rarely patrol the hospitals. I did see one in Wake Med 4 years ago when I went in for a pacemaker though. Our local hospital has elderly unarmed security guards.
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This gun fired because she dropped her purse. That means the gun was not being carried properly. Most likely something in the purse pressed the trigger for her or the hammer struck on something hard.

When carried off body, the gun needs to be in a holster or in a compartment by itself.


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GZ would have done himself much better if he learned some common sense. The best outcome of a fight, is not to get into one.
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GZ would have done himself much better if he learned some common sense. The best outcome of a fight, is not to get into one.
Or not to go looking for one like he did.
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In Ohio, not all hospitals prohibit concealed carry. Christ hospital in Cincinnati is one that does not prohibit ccw.
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So would that be the UN or Inter Pol?
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I may be wrong but I think the old colt/colt style single shot 22 derringers would fire if hit or dropped on the hammer. Like a SAA. No block. No transfer bar. No safety. Just the hammer resting on the primer/rim.
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I may be wrong but I think the old colt/colt style single shot 22 derringers would fire if hit or dropped on the hammer. Like a SAA. No block. No transfer bar. No safety. Just the hammer resting on the primer/rim.
IIRC they had a half cock notch like most derringers. I suspect that the woman in this instance did not use it. Wonder if she is blonde.
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Sentara in Hampton here is one of 4 main hospital systems, the policy with them is to check your weapon with security and pick it up on the way out.
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When the gun discharged a bullet hit a patient in the leg. That is reason to make sure she can never own a gun again let alone carry one. We do not need a careless fool making responsible gun owners look bad.

While it is not clear whether she will or will not be charged, shonoughtnto be. Restitution, a week or two in jail, and maybe a a hundred hours of community service might raise her and other's consciousness. U
Well she is already a convicted felon. Now she has at least 3 - 4 more felony charges (carrying w/o a license, felon in possession of a firearm, possession of a stolen firearm, reckless endangerment, ... )

Laws haven't made much of an impression on this woman and probably never will. She's 58.

I foresee all her charges being plea bargained down to one or two misdemeanors, then she will get probation, possibly a fine (which she will never pay), then after a week or so whe will obtain another stolen gun and everything will be back to normal for her.
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Most derringers have no hammer block safety. The NAA does have safety notches, but one has to be smart enough to use them.

While I obey all laws I have to admit that being legally dead is not a good option. It is only a matter of time before a terrorist picks a hospital. Hospitals should have ARMED security, but I have never seen an armed hospital guard, except for campus hospitals(university police) but then they rarely patrol the hospitals. I did see one in Wake Med 4 years ago when I went in for a pacemaker though. Our local hospital has elderly unarmed security guards.
I think Derringers are illegal in many states due to having no safety or trigger block. pretty sure Massachusetts does not allow them.

I try to abide by no carry zones, especially when I know I either cannot properly secure my firearm (like in a hotel safe in a room when I go swimming) or at amusement parks where you are searched (even if it's legal they don't allow them). Also, I do not carry in post offices, schools, or police stations. Doesn't mean it's not locked in my car, just not on my person...

However, someone like "Buffalo Wild Wings" putting gun free zone signs up- I just don't go in there. Food isn't that good, and I am not taking my gun off cause you're phobic.
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Or not to go looking for one like he did.
You guys need to read up on the "less publicized" aspects of the second encounter--which mainstream media decided not to cover.
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