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Old 06-20-2017, 05:05 PM
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My sister keeps sending me email (shes 400 miles from me) about how she can get a virginia CHL by basically taking some online test and paying a small fee and then she will be legal to carry in our state of Texas.

Sounds crazy to me and I havent been able to research it due to a big workload but hopefully someone on here has and knows something about it. Whats the deal?
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Old 06-20-2017, 05:23 PM
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I found this through ushandgunlaw.com:

Virginia State Police - Nonresident Concealed Handgun Permits

There is a long list of qualified training that can be used to establish competence, but none of it appears to be a simple online test.
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Old 06-20-2017, 05:46 PM
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Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps - USA Carry
According to the site above, she can carry in Texas with a Virginia Non-Resident Permit.
Why doesn't she get a Texas license? Does she live in Texas?
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Old 06-20-2017, 06:24 PM
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Sadly this is true.
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My sister keeps sending me email (shes 400 miles from me) about how she can get a virginia CHL by basically taking some online test and paying a small fee and then she will be legal to carry in our state of Texas.

Sounds crazy to me and I havent been able to research it due to a big workload but hopefully someone on here has and knows something about it. Whats the deal?
true she can plus some paperwork and $$$$.
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yes she lives in far south Texas. Evidently she wants a chl but doesnt want to participate in taking the Texas course because its 4-6 hours long. She's not a stranger to guns by no means but Ive never heard of someone being able to get a CHL in this manner. I got mine years ago in Texas the old fashioned way. Thanks for those links above, I will read up on it.
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"My sister keeps sending me email about how she can get a virginia CHL by basically taking some online test and paying a small fee and then she will be legal to carry in our state of Texas."

...and how will a VA CHL tell her what the various TX laws are that apply towards using deadly force, etc.?

Please gently inform her 4-6 hrs. training in her home State is valuable & not to be looked upon as a chore. She may/probably learn some things she'd never heard of before.

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Now I just briefly looked at those links in this thread. THATS NUTS to me that anyone can get a CHL just by watching some video, taking a small test then paying less than $100, cant believe this even exist.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:00 PM
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I think she should take the state course. I took no course and I was super lucky not to have any screwups before I became educated about the laws. Virginia...accepts a hunter safety course certificate of completion as demonstration of firearms competency. We fired zero shots in the course. You're kidding to call that qualified. Thankfully I can actually shoot, but I had no knowledge of the laws and happy little places where guns weren't allowed.
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yes it is true,My wife got her CCL by taking one of these courses, I think it was 25.00. The big difference is we shoot most every Sunday at her dads farm and we have been over rules and laws. In VA you can open carry with no training. Buy it, strap it on and go.
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yes it is true,My wife got her CCL by taking one of these courses, I think it was 25.00. The big difference is we shoot most every Sunday at her dads farm and we have been over rules and laws. In VA you can open carry with no training. Buy it, strap it on and go.
And there's the rub. It sounds crazy that you can get it online, it does to me also, But, with open carry with no requirements....
What difference does it make whether it's concealed or not?
Now, if the state were to require training for any kind of carry it would solve that problem but open other bigger problems, such as the Constitution and needing permission from the state to exercise a right.
See where this heads? Maybe we should be like Israel and require all people that are physically able to perform military service. Training problem solved.
Of course there is that issue of state laws that you should know. Hmmm...

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Here in NC, I found an ex-Army guy giving the class for $55. By law the class must be at least 8 hours and he filled the time with lots of small talk because there just wasn't 8 hours of material. Then, it requires shooting from 3, 5 and 7 yards. There was a guy sharing the table with me who could hardly even hit the paper from 3 yards. And a woman with a Hi Point which neither the instructor nor the RSO could make fire.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:02 AM
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I think it's outrageous that you have to take any course and pay any fee at all to get a CHP in Virginia. As a matter of fact, I think it's outrageous that we have to HAVE a CHP in the first place. Just another tax.
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Old 06-21-2017, 08:56 AM
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The thing people forget about is the importance of learning your states carry laws and use of force. I live in VA and had a non resident permit before we lived here. My wife just got her permit. My prior service counted as my "class". I encouraged my wife to take the local instructor led course who was a local county sheriff's deputy. Yes it's true no practical is required to get your permit but the course material she brought home that was simplified VA code was very beneficial. Just bc you have your permit it's not a license to carry everywhere at anytime and draw in any situation. I learned a lot from things I misinterpreted by just reading VA code myself. That **** is written almost with the intention of making you not understand it. I believe most that want to legally carry a firearm will learn practical competency for their own and families safety but may not really take the time to understand the code to save themselves a fine or worse if they are carrying in the wrong way, in the wrong place...

Now if you're a criminal or just a ****ty person you are not going to let either of those things keep you from carrying a firearm and using it in whatever manner you decide if that's what you want to do. So what's it matter that someone in another state doesn't agree with our requirements for us here in VA?

And all of these same people want federal reciprocity, here is a prime example on why it would be a disaster... There are too many differences state to state and you will never get all the states to agree on carry law requirements and restrictions.

And if restrictions are still left up to the state and not federally unified your average citizen will not be able to keep up with them state to state.

If you don't agree with your states reciprocity agreements that's something you need to take up with your state. I am perfectly ok with how we handle things here in VA lol. We could use less restrictions not more like cajunbass stated above.

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In an ideal world ( country ), all that should be needed is a knowledge of where it's illegal to carry ( and they should be few and far between) and when it's legal to use deadly force.
Anything else begins to " infringe" or is nothing more than a revenue machine.
Maybe someday soon we'll get there.
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Yes, it's easy to get a concealed handgun permit in Virginia. But for you that are amazed at Virginia requirements consider that in 9 states you don't need a permit at all. It's constitutional carry in AK, AZ, KS, ME, MS, MO, NH, VT, and WV.

Do I think that you should get practical firearms training and be well versed on the law? Absolutely! The more the better.
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I have taught gun courses in three states, and I am a GREAT advocate of people getting training and being responsible.
HOWEVER, my favorite state-mandated course to teach was the Utah course, you are there to learn the laws, and if you don't know how to shoot take an NRA course or three and learn.
If you want to see how STUPID marksmanship requirements from a state can be, look at Rhode Island, where it takes long-range shooting with a target pistol to pass the state mandated course. Infringement, pure and simple.
I dislike the OK mandated class having shooting because the student obsess about the piddly bit of shooting instead of listening to the laws.
The state-mandated "shooting classes" have less benefit than most imagine, because there is no way to learn to shoot defensively in ANY one or two day class. And the states with the least restrictive training requirements have the best safety records among licensed carriers.
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I live in Va., had a CC permit for years under the "old" rules where you had to actually show that you knew how to fire a pistol at a real target.
Now IMHO it's way to easy, one of the ladies in our office did the on-line training course, applied for and got her CC permit.
Recently she had her pistol a BG 380 inside the office, attempting to unload it waving it all over the place trying to eject the round in the chamber. Dam near gave myself and 2 other guys a heart attack, struggling with the slide with a hot round in the gun.
One of the other guys beat me too it, but he ask her to please point it at the floor and hand it too him, so he could take it out of the building and clear the weapon.
We ask her if she had every actually fired the gun, and the answer was NO she was afraid of guns!
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Yes, it's easy to get a concealed handgun permit in Virginia. But for you that are amazed at Virginia requirements consider that in 9 states you don't need a permit at all. It's constitutional carry in AK, AZ, KS, ME, MS, MO, NH, VT, and WV.
I would add the Great State of Wyoming to your list. Lotsa old people carry in my neighborhood and, Thank God, so far there haven't been any serious problems around here ...
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Illinois the last state to adopt conceal carry has 16 hours of training .. The Deputy Sheriff I took the CC class from took all of just over 13.5 hours with the last 1/2 hour traveling to the range and 2 hours everyone shooting .. we could only shoot 2 at a time at the range as it was full that day ..

Time was spent going over the complete law item by item and question and answers anyone had on each item !! The law was very well explained during that time .. Time was also spent going over auto/revolver usage ..

One man in the class didn't know when you dropped the mag a round was still in the weapon if you had racked the slide .. he had some little 38 auto he had never shot (NIB) .. needed help loading the magazines.. he did pass the shooting test but barely .. not all shots made the paper .. I shot early and got out of the range area !!

Even though the first day class was 8 hours after everything was covered and we were done the Deputy stayed round another hour answering questions about scenario's we might encounter ..

Not taking a course you could loose out on very valuable information on your state law(s) that could put you jeopardy if you have a self defense encounter and react wrong ..
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I can get a CHL online and never fire a gun or really not even know anything about them from a state thats a 1000 or more miles away? Man that still doesnt make sense to this dumb ol' Texan.

Thats like me being able to get a drivers license and never drove a car in my life.

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I said it earlier and I'll say it again sounds like a lot of folks really don't want federal reciprocity, or if you do, you want it by infringing on other people's rights that don't live in your state...hmm Wonder how all of that will shake down in Congress if 10 people can't agree in an online public forum...

You don't want people from VA carrying in TX that's a TX issue not a VA issue... Just saying

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I can get a CHL online and never fire a gun or really not even know anything about them from a state thats a 1000 or more miles away? Man that still doesnt make sense to this dumb ol' Texan.

Thats like me being able to get a drivers license and never drove a car in my life.

What a world we live in, I learn something everyday!
There is more than one State with no training requirement and several States with Constitutional Carry. How deep is the blood running in the streets in them? It is a non issue
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There is more than one State with no training requirement and several States with Constitutional Carry. How deep is the blood running in the streets in them? It is a non issue
Obviously there are more states than Virginia, but in my opinion, which doesnt mean anything, it just doesnt seem right.
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Why? When a criminal wants to carry concealed, they simply jam a pistol in their pants and call it good.

To be frank, there is no CCW education requirement I've ever seen that was sufficient without being discriminatory--

If it costs money, then it discriminates against poor folk and older people living on a fixed income. In other words exactly the kinds of people who tend to need CCW the most. I got an idea--how about the NRA takes some of those prodigious annual fees, and establishes a program to subsidize licensing fees for the economically-disadvantaged?

If there's a shooting accuracy requirement, then it discriminates (again) against the elderly and visually-impaired. Not to mention, I fail to see how shooting at a nice, big, stationary, non-threatening target on a bright sunny day has anything to do with trying to stop a murderous attacker.

If there are requirements in general, then who writes the requirements?

The only part that's ever made a lick of sense to me is a written test on the state's deadly force requirements--simply because I'm constantly surprised at how many gun owners don't know them. But then again, if even that is such a problem, why aren't they running around already, shooting people willy-nilly?

Every single aspect of CCW licensing requirements is pernicious, discriminatory, and arbitrary. They are something we tolerate, not something we should be supporting or advocating for.
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I believe in training in order to get a carry permit. When the going gets tough you fall back on your training. If you have no training to fall back on you may find yourself in a big jam. Good training helps to protect you.
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Steve, I respect your position. That said, it is the exact justification used for a great deal of idiocy on the part of the most incompetent instructor I've personally ever run across.

The problem is that that line of thinking places someone in charge of deciding what counts as sufficient training. If there's a written policy, then it's going to unfairly impact somebody--probably the folks who most need a CCW. And that's presuming the folks in charge know how to do a good job, and are interested in doing so.

I've come across all sorts of people that wanted a CCW, and a few that weren't able to get one due to physical infirmities--the absolute height of irony. Recovering stroke victims, rheumatoid arthritis sufferers, you name it.

And frankly, there's no way to put sufficient training into a CCW test that can be reasonably administered.

Hence--why bother? There's no objective standard or level of over-regulation that ensures competency, and no guarantee that the CCW holder will continue those practices after getting their permit.

I think people should seek to improve their skill levels through the means available to them. But there's a big, fat ocean between "should" and "must".
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I'm curious for those that feel one must complete some arbitrary training before being allowed to carry a concealed firearm would you also support similar training before any purchase or ownership of a firearm?


How about if the CCW training is $500, 10 days in length, requires firing 1,000 rds and an expert qualification to complete and you have to do it yearly?
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Countless "instructors" have shot themselves or others or had a ND while teaching class....nuff said.
In PA you get a license with just a NICS check. Are people being shot willy nilly in PA?
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If you go by what a lot of people think in this thread we will move further away from trying to obtain this and get closer to having to obtain a practical certificate to purchase as well...
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If there are requirements in general, then who writes the requirements?
I have noticed that generally speaking, those who advocate for some type of qualification standard, want to set the bar somewhere below their level. After all, they're OK. It's those "other people" they want to keep out.
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Do you know what's worse, Cajun?

The people who write CCW training requirements--not just the ones that want to, the ones who in fact write and administer the process--have in my experience been completely, utterly, inexcusably incompetent. As in, not only would I not engage in some of the CCW practices they teach to others, I would not engage in the practices they themselves engage in.

I think that for far too long, the mindset of the handgun-owning public, not to mention the NRA, has been one of containment. In other words, "no new gun laws". Unfortunately, we are fighting a war of attrition. Every time we fail to stop a new gun law, that law never comes off the books. That's another bit of freedom that will never be enjoyed again. On a long-enough time scale, "no new gun laws" is a strategy guaranteed to lose.

CCW regulation is just one area where otherwise well-meaning gunny folks are embracing compromising in an arena where there should be none.

Hence--no gun laws. Period.

It is painful. It does require answering some painful questions--How do we reconcile our ideal of zero regulation with the unpopular idea of felons legally possessing firearms?*--but it's the only position that doesn't result in the gradual diminishing of our rights.

*Answer: They're going to get them anyway if they want them.
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As a VA resident my ccw permit process was simple. I sent copies of my retired creds, along w/up to date LEOSA certification to the circuit court and they returned my ccw in about four weeks. I realize that I don't need a VA ccw, but before the presidential election it seemed like a good CYA idea.
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Now I just briefly looked at those links in this thread. THATS NUTS to me that anyone can get a CHL just by watching some video, taking a small test then paying less than $100, cant believe this even exist.
**Indeed ! How ya feel about that old 2nd amendment ??

Perhaps more importantly, to whom should the judgement fall, as to who CAN, and who CANNOT have what ever weapon they choose ?
Should it be the Clinton lackey that presently sits as the governor of Va.?
The one who is just now going to have Va. taxpayers pay for hypodermic needles so the intravenous drug users can be "safe" and happy with their recreational pursuits ?

Or perhaps his A G. The same self-righteous dolt who last year took it solely upon himself to declare Va. would no longer honor some 20 other states right to carry ?

Do you think a bad person with an intent to do harm with a gun to you or yours will give a hoot in hell about some "permission" he is supposed to have to carry a gun ?
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I have noticed that generally speaking, those who advocate for some type of qualification standard, want to set the bar somewhere below their level. After all, they're OK. It's those "other people" they want to keep out.
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I can get a CHL online and never fire a gun or really not even know anything about them from a state thats a 1000 or more miles away? Man that still doesnt make sense to this dumb ol' Texan.

Thats like me being able to get a drivers license and never drove a car in my life.

What a world we live in, I learn something everyday!
The state of VERMONT has NEVER had any law about carrying firearms....IF you wish to have a firearm on you that is your business. I have not heard of issues in that state....after them came Alaska - followed by Arizona...now the others are joining in. I don't see the problem with people allowed to exercise a RIGHT.....

Now, it would be nice if every state taught the laws of when and if you could use a firearm in your defense in MIDDLE SCHOOL. But, then the legislatures would change the laws and we would all be ignorant again.

My state of Iowa passed a law this year that we can carry in the capital building!!! NOW, that is a new one for you....
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