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I only way I will carry a semi-auto with a loaded chamber is on DA platform with a full weight / full stroke trigger (safety- 3914, or no safety- P239) or a SA platform with a safety (1911).

No way will I carry a chambered striker gun with only a 5lb trigger moving 1/4" as the only thing preventing a discharge.

I have been carrying handguns for nearly 30 years (since age 13), and I don't need "training" to prove to me that something intrinsically unsafe is somehow safe because you are supposed to keep your "booger hook off the bang switch". Mr. Murphy would beg to differ the one time a jacket cinch/chapstick/pen finds it's way into your trigger guard and your life is changed forever.
I also carried a revolver at the age of 13 or 14. Some people don't understand what it's like to travel in bear country. So it's easy for them to not understand. Still isn't an excuse to bash you. But there are those that judge instead of try to understand.
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Welcome to the forum. Ignore the ole curmudgeons that hate repeat threads. They tend to forget that new thinking, ideas, or opinions may be offered.

Any and all guns that you rely on for self defense should be loaded at all times. If you don't feel comfortable with that gun, it doesn't matter what type of gun it is. It simply means that you need to get more familiar with it. Which means practice. It does not mean that you need another type of gun.

Go shoot the gun. A lot.
Thanks for the welcome.

I didn't say i'm uncomfortable with the gun, or concerned, or scared of it, or any of the other assumptions that seem to be popular. I just wondered what common practice would seem to be, since most of what I see online is just people debating which kind of holster is best, revolvers vs. semi-auto, which caliber, which ammo, etc.

Somehow that turned me into a neophyte that would be better off carrying a rock...
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The way you phrased it. .. the safeties determine..... They don't determine anything

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I said "try to determine" as in their purpose is to differentiate between intentional trigger pulling and incidental.
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I said "try to determine" as in their purpose is to differentiate between intentional trigger pulling and incidental.
Exactly. Safety doesn't "do" or "try" it's all you.

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Thanks for the welcome.

I didn't say i'm uncomfortable with the gun, or concerned, or scared of it, or any of the other assumptions that seem to be popular. I just wondered what common practice would seem to be, since most of what I see online is just people debating which kind of holster is best, revolvers vs. semi-auto, which caliber, which ammo, etc.

Somehow that turned me into a neophyte that would be better off carrying a rock...
Then I guess you have your answer. Don't worry about the negative stuff.
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I also carried a revolver at the age of 13 or 14. Some people don't understand what it's like to travel in bear country. So it's easy for them to not understand. Still isn't an excuse to bash you. But there are those that judge instead of try to understand.
Yes- It is difficult to comprehend for some people across the country that the threat from bears or cats can be a daily occurrence, not just a theoretical talking point for internet forums.
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The guy's a new member, just joined last month. He even apologized for the thread, in case it'd been discussed before. Maybe he hasn't learned to do a search here yet. Give him a break why don't you?
Every forum has its own culture on whether or not it's worse to ask something that's been discussed before or "Lazarus" an old dead thread.
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I carry revolvers 95% of the time... a Ruger LCP the other 5%

They have long trigger pulls that give me confidence they won't go making decisions on their own and shoot off any of my favorite parts or put holes in things not needing holes...

Having said that, you have to have full confidence in what you carry. That comes with time and experience handling any weapon.
I wouldn't feel as easy carrying a striker fired auto with a "light" trigger....simply because I just don't have a lot of experience with them. I "know" they are safe and are safely carried by tons of guys every day, my friends included. I would need more time handling them before trading out my wheel guns.

I just don't agree that someone otherwise well trained is "un-armed or should just carry rocks" if they have a firearm with an unloaded chamber. Yes they may be making things harder than they need be... but if I had to choose between a Glock 19 with a full magazine and empty chamber or a bag of rocks...c'mon guys...really??

All of us are at different stages of our walk through life as legally armed folks. If someone feels a need to carry with an empty chamber until they are more confident or have time/money for more training...who am I to judge or call them names.
Haha! "We were going to give you a gun but you'd have to pull back the slide, so here's a rock instead."
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I like when new people ask questions- it gets them engaged into the forum. I dislike grumpy old "know it all" trolls who say "use the search function" to seek out their pearls (or is that turds) of wisdom they posted six months ago.
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If carry your gun in a proper holster, the trigger is covered until drawn to fire.
That's 99% true for striker fired pistols.

Not always true for revolvers, 1911s, Hi-Powers, and similar pistols. Unless maybe you're carrying a 1911 style pistol in some sort of a flap holster.

I've seen some 1911 holsters that cover the trigger, but I don't know anyone personally who actually carries in one.
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That's 99% true for striker fired pistols.

Not always true for revolvers, 1911s, Hi-Powers, and similar pistols. Unless maybe you're carrying a 1911 style pistol in some sort of a flap holster.

I've seen some 1911 holsters that cover the trigger, but I don't know anyone personally who actually carries in one.
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Who's Mr. Murphy? A member of this forum? What does he carry? I mean, besides Chapstick and pens and stuff.


I'm pretty sure he carries with a round chambered, as do I.
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I keep one chambered at all times and I keep a big rock right next to it also... and the rock has one chambered also...


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I don't know of a single competent instructor who advocates empty chamber carry.

I know a generally-incompetent one who does, but I don't even like to be in his presence when firearms are involved.
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Seriously though, I carried a shield 45 for about six months, shot it a lot, loved it... but I always had thoughts that an accidental discharge is a possibility. (not the guns fault at all). I am new to the game also, I have only been carrying for about a year, so..... the only way to stop the thoughts of an accidental discharge for me was to switch to DAO, I switched over to a CS45D and I feel 100% comfortable carrying it every day and by my side all night... also for me, the thought of one in the chamber became pretty clear after practicing/training both ways, there is no doubt in my mind that my gun is ready to fire and I am qualified to use it at any given moment... also when I re-holster I keep my thumb on the hammer, just another peace of mind... hope this helped, practice a lot and you will find out what you need to do!


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My, my... some awfully touchy folks commenting on this thread.

I read the OP as querying about concealed carry. My vote was for one in the chamber at all times, with every firearm, and adhering to all proper safety procedures. Overwhelmingly, the poll numbers agree. As stated in slightly different ways, any pistol without a round chambered is called a club. One would think that a person exercising his/her CC rights would have the confidence and intelligence to carry their weapon of choice in the most effective manor possible; split seconds count when it comes down to self-defense.

The firearm readiness of anyone else while hiking, or whatever, makes no difference to me. They can wear that Mountain Gun as a hat, with daisies stuffed in the barrel, for all I care.

That strong headwind kinda negates the ******* contest that seems to have developed.
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I don't know of a single competent instructor who advocates empty chamber carry.

I know a generally-incompetent one who does, but I don't even like to be in his presence when firearms are involved.
I know an instructor like that too...it's too bad as he is just about the nicest guy around. He learned to carry with an empty chamber decades ago in the military and never updated his training.
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DA revolver ,357 magnum in town ,44 magnum ( generaly loaded with 44 special) out in the country ,but I'm no expert so I guess I don't trust myself to remember to take off tne safety with a 45 auto in a life or death gun fight and I don't trust myself to not empty a magazine of a high capacity auto in a gun fight therefore possibly sending a lot of bullets flying to who knows where .Im no expert or professional so DA revolvers for me but each one of us who carries a gun needs to be realistic and know yourself I mean who you really are not who you want to be and how you would really react not how you hope you will ,then decide what to carry .For me it's a good powerful dependable easy to operate DA revolver.
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Might as well change the first two options to "I carry a rock"
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Here is my problem, and it is a big problem, I just don't care.

I carry with a round in the chamber, but that is my decision. I don't get worked up with what type of holster, what condition, brand of gun, or caliber size of others. I figure they are adults, and make their own decisions. I am nobodies parent on the internet gun world.
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Right now my casual carry gun is a Ruger LCR .38 and that has all chambers loaded. No manual safety at all to disengage.

Going to the city gun is a XDs.45 and that one also has a loaded chamber and no safety engaged.

Carried a 1911 for many years and that one was carried cocked and locked (chamber loaded, hammer cocked and safety engaged!)
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I also carried a revolver at the age of 13 or 14. Some people don't understand what it's like to travel in bear country. So it's easy for them to not understand. Still isn't an excuse to bash you. But there are those that judge instead of try to understand.
So if I understand correctly, we could make this thread less argumentative and more productive by turning it into a bear thread?
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"Sticks and stones will break your bones ....but bears will f***** kill you" ....

"Whatever does not kill you will make you stronger...except for bears....bears will kill you"....

That does it....from now on I'm carrying a fully loaded bear.
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If you're not comfortable with carrying with one in the chamber, why carry the gun at all?
This ^^^^^
I carry a Glock 19 (most of the time), with a full magazine and one in the pipe.
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So if I understand correctly, we could make this thread less argumentative and more productive by turning it into a bear thread?
Obviously I was making a point. But I guess you don't get it.
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I know an instructor like that too...it's too bad as he is just about the nicest guy around. He learned to carry with an empty chamber decades ago in the military and never updated his training.
I encounter a lot of guys like that, in varying degrees of competent-to-not.

Sometimes I point out that we've learned a lot about handgun shooting since they were in the service (although some of them, I simply cannot believe they were taught to shoot as they do). It's a polite way to start prying off their resistance.

Other times--especially with "empty chamber" or "hammer-down", that sort of thing--I point out that a military handgun is a different animal than a CCW handgun.

In the military, you have a whole host of lethal stuff available. The radio (which calls planes and helicopters and tanks and artillery), grenades, machineguns, rifles, and so on. Basically, a handgun is the second-to-last deadly implement a guy carries, just ahead of a knife. If you need it, the powers-that-be have determined you'll have time to get it ready. They're more concerned with you shooting yourself with it.

In civilian life, the handgun is the only deadly implement you might carry. And nobody is around to tell you how to carry it.
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I encounter a lot of guys like that, in varying degrees of competent-to-not.

Sometimes I point out that we've learned a lot about handgun shooting since they were in the service (although some of them, I simply cannot believe they were taught to shoot as they do). It's a polite way to start prying off their resistance.

Other times--especially with "empty chamber" or "hammer-down", that sort of thing--I point out that a military handgun is a different animal than a CCW handgun.

In the military, you have a whole host of lethal stuff available. The radio (which calls planes and helicopters and tanks and artillery), grenades, machineguns, rifles, and so on. Basically, a handgun is the second-to-last deadly implement a guy carries, just ahead of a knife. If you need it, the powers-that-be have determined you'll have time to get it ready. They're more concerned with you shooting yourself with it.

In civilian life, the handgun is the only deadly implement you might carry. And nobody is around to tell you how to carry it.
Exactly right. CCW as a civilian is much different than carrying a pistol in the military. The other thing that's changed since then - we now have thousands of videos of ambush attacks on YouTube. Many of these attacks happen so fast there's little time to get a gun ready for action. In a few cases you can actually see people trying to rack a slide, failing to do so and dying as a result.

People can do what they want, but at least be aware of the risks inherent to empty chamber carry.

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My carry options include a DA revolver, a DA/SA Semi and a DAO Semi. I carry all fully loaded. Only the DA/SA has a manual safety. I engage it only when stowing the pistol in my car safe. I have no rational reason for using the safety in that case, except for 30-year old training related to securing my weapon in the locker at the jail sallyport.

However, as a teenager I carried a SA revolver with the hammer down on an empty chamber and once had to finish off a porcupine with a rock after he took 5 rounds of .22 Special. Just pretend porky was a bear and I've covered all the bases.
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In civilian life, the handgun is the only deadly implement you might carry. And nobody is around to tell you how to carry it.
That's why I store my XD in the console (on its own, by the way) rather than in my IWB holster when i'm in the car. If something happens and I need it, i'm not going to try to lean against the seatbelt (the sudden movement would probably lock it anyhow) and contort my arm between the seat back and my waist, etc.

I can draw from the holster just fine, but not while sitting in the seat of my car. Until either my local range gets a spare Ford Fusion driver's seat for practicing, or someone drops a lot of money on me so I can build my own apparatus, it's not going to be something that practice will fix.
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That's 99% true for striker fired pistols.

Not always true for revolvers, 1911s, Hi-Powers, and similar pistols. Unless maybe you're carrying a 1911 style pistol in some sort of a flap holster.

I've seen some 1911 holsters that cover the trigger, but I don't know anyone personally who actually carries in one.
I don't personally know anyone who carries a 1911 style auto without a holster that covers the trigger guard.

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I primarily carry revolvers and the cylinders are full. On occasion I do drop a 6946 in my pants pocket and its also full. If on a rare occasion I carry a 1911 it is cocked and locked with strap on. Good luck with your decision.
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If i'm out and about,yep one is in the chamber for sure!
Well it was dying a slow death....thanks for bringing it back. Now we all know the answer to that question.
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Well it was dying a slow death....thanks for bringing it back. Now we all know the answer to that question.
Yup, better let it die instead of respond so someone else can ask again and people can get back into their self-righteous snit.
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If i'm out and about,yep one is in the chamber for sure!
Regardless of being "out and about", mine's always chambered.

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Yup, better let it die instead of respond so someone else can ask again and people can get back into their self-righteous snit.
It's just too much for someone to search a topic...you're right let's keep it around...it should be pinned under topics beaten beyond cold, dead and lifeless.
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My EDC is the 340PD but when circumstances force me to carry my LCP it's carried w/a round chambered.
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I am afraid the poll results are terribly skewed since we are all completely biased. Like asking a vegan forum "who doesn't eat meat raise your hand"?
I'd like a show of hands - who is the one forum member who voted for "unloaded"? They're either trolling or extremely optimistic in terms of their situational awareness.
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I'd like a show of hands - who is the one forum member who voted for "unloaded"? They're either trolling or extremely optimistic in terms of their situational awareness.
I voted for not caring, none of my business.
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I live in Marylandistan......What's a Carry Firearm???
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Why are revolvers not considered in this poll...we deserve to be recognized !
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I don't personally know anyone who carries a 1911 style auto without a holster that covers the trigger guard.
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Glad you said that. That makes two of us. I may have one or two holsters left from my earliest days of shooting that do not have covered triggers/trigger guards, but I don't use them. The 1911, from a purely mechanical viewpoint, is about the safest handgun out there. It requires a proper grip that deactivates the grip safety, a conscious decision to push the thumb safety down, and THEN a decision to press the trigger in order to make it fire. In terms of determining condition (loaded or not), there is much to be said for the DA revolver - open the cylinder and its status is very apparent. That's one of the reasons I prefer that format for introducing a new shooter - makes it easier to demonstrate and for them to remember.

Overcoming the training scars of the military: the experiences of the last 16+ years have impacted doctrine and training quite a bit, and although the pistol is pretty far down as one poster nicely described above, the Army has just adopted a new training manual for handguns and the one for rifles is at or near that stage. When we did joint ops at a nearby base for special events, the complete diversity of firearms experience, training and culture was staggering. Had several friends who came to the agency from the military; all commented on how different it was, which is the same as I get from all of the folks I know who have come from the military to LE.
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If you don't carry with one in the chamber, maybe you shouldn't be carrying at all. It speaks to concerns and doubt, which may cost you your life.
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