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A thousand apologies if this has been covered before. In what state of readiness (for lack of a better term) do you have your carry firearm?

I have two handguns that have a safety, but my Springfield XD Mod.2 only has those safeties that try to determine if I REALLY wanted to pull the trigger. Currently my Springfield is in the console of my car and has a magazine in it, but no round in the chamber.

What about you? Do you have have one in the chamber and you're ready to go, or is there some step you would have to complete to be cocked, locked, and ready to rock?
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1911s are always in condition 1. S&W 3914NL round chambered and full mag inserted. On safe when not being carried. Off safe when carried.
Sig 220 and 239, round chambered with full mag.
You are playing with fire, otherwise.
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1911s are always in condition 1. S&W 3914NL round chambered and full mag inserted. On safe when not being carried. Off safe when carried.
Sig 220 and 239, round chambered with full mag.
You are playing with fire, otherwise.
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For my Colt M1911, it's carried in Condition 1. For my Shield 9, it's with mag+1 (full mag with one in the chamber) and safety off when holstered.
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These guns are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. Your XD already has multiple redundant internal safeties, plus a grip safety. If you're not feeling confident in keeping a round chambered perhaps that's an indication it's time for more training.
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I carry gun holstered, empty, and one bullet in my shirt pocket, just in case...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Actually, DA revolvers I carry in a hip holster, fully loaded. Most all of my DA revolver use these days is for sporting use.

S/A's - Ruger new models fully loaded and holstered. Colts, and Colt clones, 5 rounds with the hammer down on an empty chamber.

1911's, fully loaded, cocked and locked. I prefer a holster with a safety strap that goes between the hammer and frame.

DA semi's like the LCP or SIG, fully loaded, usually with the safety on, if it has one. I practice using the safety so it's second nature.

For pocket carry, only semi's or revolvers with a long DA first shot. I don't like to carry cocked and locked SA's, or striker fired pistols with typical striker fired triggers in my pocket. Call me a prude, but I have seen bad things happen when pocket carry and short, light trigger pulls are mixed.

Striker fired, always in a holster that covers the trigger guard, preferably stiff Kydex so there is no chance of soft leather getting into the trigger guard.

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If your XD is loose in the console of the car, then you need to get a proper holster. No handgun should be carried loose in a container with other items, or similarly loose on your body. When you have your XD in a fitted holster that covers the trigger, it is considered inert until you draw it, and it can be safely fully loaded in the holster.
Having the handgun in a proper holster rather than banging around loose is far more important than how many mechanical safeties it has.
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What's this magazine thing? Is that like the clips you use in those semi-automatic pistols I've heard about?

Carry a revolver. If six shots aren't enough, carry another revolver. If twelve shots aren't enough, carry yet another revolver. Repeat as necessary.

Where do you load and unload that pistol, and in what direction do you point it when doing so?
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Another one of these threads? Burn it with fire.
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There are opinions:

I am of the school that holds if you are nervous about a round in the chamber, carry a revolver. Double Action or for the absolutely paranoid a Single Action revolver.

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Who carries a round in the chamber, a full magazine and a full backup magazine. (I also carry 8 round Kahr magazines, because I can.)
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Thanks for the laugh FF & I wish I could get that pic in a poster of Barney for the mancave. I BELIEVE it's been covered before but IMO a CC gun belongs on your person & if it is not ready to use immediately it is a prop. If said gun has an external safety (I don't want one for CC) I would use it, BUT be VERY WELL PRACTICED in it's use.
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What do you mean......"only has those safeties that try to determine if I REALLY wanted to pull the trigger" how does a safety determine anything for you? You control it not the other way around.


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An unloaded gun (and one with a full mag and none in the chamber is unloaded) is merely a rock. You'd be better off not carrying a gun but something else if you are afraid to carry with one in the chamber.
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What do you mean......"only has those safeties that try to determine if I REALLY wanted to pull the trigger" how does a safety determine anything for you?
Seems like that would be a billion dollar idea . . .
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I am of the school that holds if you are nervous about a round in the chamber, carry a revolver. Double Action or for the absolutely paranoid a Single Action revolver.
I fully agree. However, for those who choose to carry a single action revolver, sometimes called Tactical Historical Carry, it should be pointed out that there is actually a legitimate question as to whether one should carry a loaded round under the hammer of a SA revolver. There are, in regard to this question, two kinds of SA revolvers made today. For each revolver, there is one right answer to the question (it is generally "yes" or "no"), and which it is depends on the design of the revolver itself.

It is difficult to avoid the impression that firearms should only be carried by those who know how they work. I know that that's not completely true - some individuals who respect tradition, respect [legitimate] authority, and can walk and chew gum at the same time are capable of handling firearms safely, and many do. But it's a lot easier when you understand what's going on inside.
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If you don't want to carry a loaded gun (1 in the chamber), get yourself a bunch of rocks instead. A lot cheaper and you won't hurt yourself....unless you drop one on your foot.
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I voted in your poll but wanted you to be aware that with repeated chamberings, the impact to the chambered round associated with the slide driving it into the chamber can push the projectile into the case, affecting the rounds pressure. If you repeatedly load and unload the same carry rounds, track the one that's been chambered and compare its length to unchambered ones or better yet, shoot it at the range.
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A thousand apologies if this has been covered before. In what state of readiness (for lack of a better term) do you have your carry firearm?

I have two handguns that have a safety, but my Springfield XD Mod.2 only has those safeties that try to determine if I REALLY wanted to pull the trigger. Currently my Springfield is in the console of my car and has a magazine in it, but no round in the chamber.

What about you? Do you have have one in the chamber and you're ready to go, or is there some step you would have to complete to be cocked, locked, and ready to rock?
Welcome to the forum. Ignore the ole curmudgeons that hate repeat threads. They tend to forget that new thinking, ideas, or opinions may be offered.

Any and all guns that you rely on for self defense should be loaded at all times. If you don't feel comfortable with that gun, it doesn't matter what type of gun it is. It simply means that you need to get more familiar with it. Which means practice. It does not mean that you need another type of gun.

Go shoot the gun. A lot.
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Any firearm is worthless for self defense if not loaded, and ready to go. My pistols are DA/SA and the safety if always off.
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I rotate a couple of M&P Shields, both have no thumb safety. Chambered, ready to fire. Same as any revolver I might decide to carry. Same as my Bodyguard if I decide to throw it in my pocket.
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My Shield is in my pocket holster with full magazine and one in the chamber. My full size M&P is in the night stand tabletop safe with full magazine, one in the chamber sitting next to 2 full additional 17 round magazines.
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Every one of my carries 32, .380,.38, 9mm,.40, 45. All in holsters all fully loaded. None since 1980 have never "JUST WENT OFF "
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Ok, so here is my regular plan-

Revolver - fully loaded, usually speed loader and/or strips nearby.

1911 - Fully loaded, cocked, locked, holstered. Several spare mags close at hand.

Sig DA/SA - Fully loaded, de-cocked, one in the chamber, spare mags close at hand

Pump Shotgun - Full tube, empty chamber (truck or house)

Double barrel shotgun - Not really used for SD/HD purposes - empty until ready to shoot.

Mag fed AR, M1A, Mini-14 - Loaded mag, empty chamber. Mag inserted if carried in vehicle or slung, mag separate if at home.

Bolt guns - unloaded until ready to use (not for HD/SD)

Magazine fed bolt guns - (for critter defense) loaded mag separate from rifle.

There is no answer to fit everyone. Know 100% how your guns work. Always handle them as if they were loaded!

My SD/HD guns are ready to go RIGHT DANG NOW, not later.
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I only way I will carry a semi-auto with a loaded chamber is on DA platform with a full weight / full stroke trigger (safety- 3914, or no safety- P239) or a SA platform with a safety (1911).

No way will I carry a chambered striker gun with only a 5lb trigger moving 1/4" as the only thing preventing a discharge.

I have been carrying handguns for nearly 30 years (since age 13), and I don't need "training" to prove to me that something intrinsically unsafe is somehow safe because you are supposed to keep your "booger hook off the bang switch". Mr. Murphy would beg to differ the one time a jacket cinch/chapstick/pen finds it's way into your trigger guard and your life is changed forever.

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If carry your gun in a proper holster, the trigger is covered until drawn to fire. ANY NDs are from folks who violate your booger hook scenario.
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I carry revolvers 95% of the time... a Ruger LCP the other 5%

They have long trigger pulls that give me confidence they won't go making decisions on their own and shoot off any of my favorite parts or put holes in things not needing holes...

Having said that, you have to have full confidence in what you carry. That comes with time and experience handling any weapon.
I wouldn't feel as easy carrying a striker fired auto with a "light" trigger....simply because I just don't have a lot of experience with them. I "know" they are safe and are safely carried by tons of guys every day, my friends included. I would need more time handling them before trading out my wheel guns.

I just don't agree that someone otherwise well trained is "un-armed or should just carry rocks" if they have a firearm with an unloaded chamber. Yes they may be making things harder than they need be... but if I had to choose between a Glock 19 with a full magazine and empty chamber or a bag of rocks...c'mon guys...really??

All of us are at different stages of our walk through life as legally armed folks. If someone feels a need to carry with an empty chamber until they are more confident or have time/money for more training...who am I to judge or call them names.

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Only about a thousand times. To answer your question, I carry a J frame, so yes, there's one in the pipe.
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I voted "Live round chambered", but actually since its a revolver, lets just say the cylinder is full.
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I carry my Shield .40 holstered, 1 round always chambered, Safety ON. I practice with the Safety on and as soon as I draw my thumb automatically depresses the Safety lever. Your pistol in the console unchambered is useless. Trying to rack a round into the chamber once you are threatened is dangerous and foolhardy. At that time you are likely to make many miscalculations, locating the pistol, even fumbling to get a grip on the pistol to bring it to bear on target. Why take an extra step? I choose to carry with the Safety ON, but practice continually until it is second nature. Pistol Out - Safety OFF before lining up on target. Never mind just the unchambered pistol, I would not put my pistol in a console. Practice! Practice! Practice!

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good afternoon , carry a Kahr P-9 in a crossbreed inside waist band holster, pocket mag holder with 8 rd mag. always one in barrel ,only way to carry defensive in my opinion . Remember Just My Opinion !!!!!!!
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Putting aside the points made about single action revolvers, which are correct but NMFP as I don't own any, any serious handgun should be carried as it is designed to be. Fully loaded. Period. Anything else is indicative of a need for remedial training, at best.

As shown by a few, 1911s get a loaded chamber, thumb safety on, then top up the mag, plus whatever spare mags fit your life. DA revolvers; all holes in the cylinder loaded. Striker fired or other format - just like the 1911s, without the additional safety. A pistol is what you carry for emergencies when you have no reason to expect a problem. As emergency rescue gear, it must be carried ready to use. Your method of carry/transport for the XD is a no go for two reasons already given.

Pocket carried pistols get carried in a proper holster, to both avoid wear to the pocket, and keep crud out of the trigger. Nothing else gets carried in that pocket. If you are deviating from that, ask Gunny Ermey for his two word direction for overcoming your shortcomings.
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We transitioned to the Glock and carried w/a loaded chamber. I have the LCP and on the rare occassion when it's carried it always has one in the chamber. My EDC is the 340PD so it's always ready to go.
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All guns are chambered. I don't carry my 1911 but it is chambered in a drawer with safety off.

edit: and hammer cocked...

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Empty chambers for safety is an antiquated practice. If the gun comes out it will be a hectic, adrenaline-fueled, stressful bit of business going on. If you pull your pistol it better be because you need it now. I wouldn't wanna be messing with empty chambers (or even safeties) when life is on the line. Modern pistols can safely have a round in the chamber.
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I only way I will carry a semi-auto with a loaded chamber is on DA platform with a full weight / full stroke trigger (safety- 3914, or no safety- P239) or a SA platform with a safety (1911).

No way will I carry a chambered striker gun with only a 5lb trigger moving 1/4" as the only thing preventing a discharge.

I have been carrying handguns for nearly 30 years (since age 13), and I don't need "training" to prove to me that something intrinsically unsafe is somehow safe because you are supposed to keep your "booger hook off the bang switch". Mr. Murphy would beg to differ the one time a jacket cinch/chapstick/pen finds it's way into your trigger guard and your life is changed forever.
What he said x1000, as far as I am concerned. To answer the OP directly, whatever it is, if I am carrying it, it's loaded.
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The guy's a new member, just joined last month. He even apologized for the thread, in case it'd been discussed before. Maybe he hasn't learned to do a search here yet. Give him a break why don't you?
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A thousand apologies if this has been covered before. In what state of readiness (for lack of a better term) do you have your carry firearm?
I carry one in the chamber of a semi-auto. Doesn't really matter if it's a 1911 or a striker fired pistol with or without a thumb safety.

Just my opinion here, but to carry without one in the chamber is not far removed from carrying an unloaded pistol. I'm no law enforcement person or any kind of a gunfighter, but I do know seconds count, and I don't move as fast as I did thirty years ago.

Everyone has their own opinion about this. You have to do what you're trained for and what you are confortable with.
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. . . I have been carrying handguns for nearly 30 years (since age 13) . . .
If you have been carrying a loaded handgun with the intention of using it in self defense since age 13, which is clearly the substance of this thread, my hat is off to you. Otherwise, keep the hyperbole from the discussion . . .
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From one Eagle Scout ('72) to another, you need to be prepared. If there is an imminent threat to the safety of my children or myself, I can't risk the microseconds necessary to bring a handgun into battery. When I carry a wheelgun, the cylinder is full, if I am carrying a 1911, it is in Condition 1. If I am carrying my 439 or my Mauser HSc, they are loaded mag +1, hammer dropped, and ready to go with the first shot DA.

Any other way just turns the handgun into a paperweight!
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Mr. Murphy would beg to differ the one time a jacket cinch/chapstick/pen finds it's way into your trigger guard and your life is changed forever.
Who's Mr. Murphy? A member of this forum? What does he carry? I mean, besides Chapstick and pens and stuff.
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If you have been carrying a loaded handgun with the intention of using it in self defense since age 13, which is clearly the substance of this thread, my hat is off to you. Otherwise, keep the hyperbole from the discussion . . .
Yes- It may cause some people to soil their dainties, but I started carrying a defensive revolver on an almost daily basis at 13, and it was not a .22.

No hyperbole required, and I am not sure why you are the self appointed person to judge anyway.
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Who's Mr. Murphy? A member of this forum? What does he carry? I mean, besides Chapstick and pens and stuff.
Why a safetyless polystriker, of course....

... and a matching Series 80 1911 with the hammer cocked, thumb safety off and the grip safety pinned, because there is ZERO practical difference between that and most polystrikers.

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Yes- It may cause some people to soil their dainties, but I started carrying a defensive revolver on an almost daily basis at 13, and it was not a .22.

No hyperbole required, and I am not sure why you are the self appointed person to judge anyway.
Not judging, but you seem a little defensive having to defend my question. Just glad I didn't live in your neighborhood. Nothing to see here, Mr. Norris. Everyone move along.
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Not judging, but you seem a little defensive having to defend my question. Just glad I didn't live in your neighborhood. Nothing to see here, Mr. Norris. Everyone move along.
The neighborhood was (is) fine. The primary threat at the time was (is) four-legged, though the two legged threat is increasing nowadays.
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If you're not comfortable with carrying with one in the chamber, why carry the gun at all?
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What do you mean......"only has those safeties that try to determine if I REALLY wanted to pull the trigger" how does a safety determine anything for you? You control it not the other way around.
That's what a grip safety and trigger safety do, try to prevent the gun from going off except when the trigger is intentionally pulled. It's not about some sort of "the gun is in control" hyperbole. What did you think grip safeties and trigger safeties are for?
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That's what a grip safety and trigger safety do, try to prevent the gun from going off except when the trigger is intentionally pulled. It's not about some sort of "the gun is in control" hyperbole. What did you think grip safeties and trigger safeties are for?
The way you phrased it. .. the safeties determine..... They don't determine anything

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