|
|
|
07-19-2017, 01:10 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Likes: 342
Liked 445 Times in 203 Posts
|
|
Is the 38 good enough for defense??
After reading this I say hell yes the old timer 38 is plenty good. Even if it did take a couple of shots.
Man shoots mammoth 820 pound wild hog in his front yard | AL.com
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 01:16 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: MA
Posts: 264
Likes: 2,164
Liked 335 Times in 152 Posts
|
|
Has some great info for you
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 01:40 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 8,389
Likes: 2,476
Liked 13,051 Times in 4,535 Posts
|
|
The .38 Special has served Americans well for over 100 years. Nobody likes getting shot, not with a BB gun and not with a .22 and definitely not with a .38 Special. Shot placement is the key. A .22 in the heart works a far deadlier magic than a .38 in the shoulder. But if what you are going for is a fight/threat stopper, which is really all anyone ever needs from a technical perspective, then the .38 Special is more than good enough to do the job. The only reason I am presently carrying a 9mm and not a .38 is for the flatness and concealment capability. I have carried a .38 with me daily for many years and never felt under gunned.
|
The Following 16 Users Like Post:
|
686-380, AZretired, Bill In Texas, fdw, Kevin J., Kframerbluvr, les.b, Lt JL, Mike, SC Hunter, oneounceload, Ranger514, SC_Mike, ShotPlacement, torizus, vytoland, wingriderz |
07-19-2017, 01:44 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,844
Likes: 7,197
Liked 8,699 Times in 3,104 Posts
|
|
If you do your job, your .38 Special will do its.
|
The Following 12 Users Like Post:
|
dirty & hairy, Kframerbluvr, les.b, mgriffin, Mike, SC Hunter, Mr Pokeyman, oneounceload, richardw, rwsmith, SC_Mike, ShotPlacement, vytoland |
07-19-2017, 01:50 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Likes: 342
Liked 445 Times in 203 Posts
|
|
I watched the video, but unless I missed it he never stated the weight of the bullets. While velocity aids in shocking power weight aids in penetration. Was he using the same weight bullets in the 9mm as in the 38?
|
07-19-2017, 01:57 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Wilson, NC
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 462
Liked 816 Times in 373 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda
The .38 Special has served Americans well for over 100 years. Nobody likes getting shot, not with a BB gun and not with a .22 and definitely not with a .38 Special. Shot placement is the key. A .22 in the heart works a far deadlier magic than a .38 in the shoulder. But if what you are going for is a fight/threat stopper, which is really all anyone ever needs from a technical perspective, then the .38 Special is more than good enough to do the job. The only reason I am presently carrying a 9mm and not a .38 is for the flatness and concealment capability. I have carried a .38 with me daily for many years and never felt under gunned.
|
What 9mm gun do you carry, Yoda?
|
07-19-2017, 02:00 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,353
Likes: 10,447
Liked 6,092 Times in 1,249 Posts
|
|
The .38 Special is good enough. When used with good 158 grain lead semi-wadcutters at adequate velocities it is highly effective, assuming good hits.
No cartridge and no "trick" bullet is highly effective with bad hits.
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 02:17 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 5,658
Likes: 15,661
Liked 7,682 Times in 2,744 Posts
|
|
the .38 special is a good self defense cartridge.....
__________________
There's nowt so queer as folk
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 02:37 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Peoples Republic of Calif
Posts: 4,644
Likes: 1,226
Liked 5,988 Times in 2,133 Posts
|
|
Shot placement is requirement number one. If you can hit what you are shooting at any REASONABLE caliber will do the job, including a .38.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 02:45 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Sonoran Desert, USA
Posts: 577
Likes: 967
Liked 1,503 Times in 403 Posts
|
|
"Caliber" doesn't win fights, "Tactics" wins fights.
In the right hands, properly applied, .38 Special is more than "good enough".
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 03:17 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,783
Likes: 4,206
Liked 15,131 Times in 4,142 Posts
|
|
In a word, yes. I was a working cop for 30 years and had the misfortune to be drawn into three on duty shootings, each w/my issued thirty-eight. It dropped the bad guy and I made it to retirement, still carrying a J frame loaded w/Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P. Even though there are more modern weapons it's a platform I'm comfortable with in retirement. UPDATE: Went to the range today (8/9) w/my 340PD and ran a couple of cylinders of +P and as well as around 100 rounds of range fodder. Shot paper plates @ three, five, seven & ten yards. This little gun is amazing.
__________________
Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)
Last edited by Old cop; 08-09-2017 at 10:09 PM.
|
The Following 38 Users Like Post:
|
2ndshift, 427mach1, Arisin Wind, AZretired, bmcgilvray, dirty & hairy, fdw, Fox4506, haywood, Highhawk1948, hkcavalier, JH1951, joe44va, Kanewpadle, Kframerbluvr, Knigge, KSDeputy, les.b, lrrifleman, M.Cunningham, mgriffin, Mr Pokeyman, mrchuck, nachogrande, njdet354, Ole Joe Clark, pawncop, Ranger514, Scorpion520AZ, SC_Mike, Seven High, Skeptic 9c, SVT28, torizus, usmc2427765, VaTom, vytoland, Yiogo |
07-19-2017, 05:22 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: West Texas
Posts: 2,447
Likes: 5,289
Liked 3,903 Times in 1,519 Posts
|
|
Yes it is ... with decent cartridges that you can deliver to the right place to get the job done. I tend to prefer 158 grain bullets, either the lead semi wadcutter hollowpoints like the old FBI load , or a good lead or jacketed semi wadcutter style. The jacketed loads will be called soft points and will have a flat point above the jacket. It's even better if your handgun will handle +P loadings but the standard loads will also work. It will be your level of accuracy with the gun and cartridge regardless of caliber or platform you use that will make the difference. You should use whatever you can handle and shoot the best!
__________________
So long ... Ken
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 05:39 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: SW VA
Posts: 262
Likes: 282
Liked 496 Times in 173 Posts
|
|
To steal a quote...(maybe from this site?):
"the only place the .38spl is not an effective defense round is on the internet"
I trust it...mostly because I shoot them reasonably well and guys with way more experience than me carry .38's daily.
|
The Following 10 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 06:02 PM
|
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 4,388
Likes: 9,733
Liked 7,187 Times in 2,603 Posts
|
|
More times than not I am carrying a 38 spec+p and I don't feel unsafe with it. Carry it with confidence.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 08:56 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Home is Texas.
Posts: 2,769
Likes: 3,402
Liked 1,402 Times in 843 Posts
|
|
I'm good with .38 special. As other have said, you do your job and the cartridge will do it's job just fine!
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 10:14 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,867
Likes: 2,551
Liked 4,707 Times in 1,406 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda
The .38 Special has served Americans well for over 100 years. Nobody likes getting shot, not with a BB gun and not with a .22 and definitely not with a .38 Special. Shot placement is the key. A .22 in the heart works a far deadlier magic than a .38 in the shoulder. But if what you are going for is a fight/threat stopper, which is really all anyone ever needs from a technical perspective, then the .38 Special is more than good enough to do the job. The only reason I am presently carrying a 9mm and not a .38 is for the flatness and concealment capability. I have carried a .38 with me daily for many years and never felt under gunned.
|
Exactly mine thoughts. I cut my teeth on revolvers, carried a model 15 as my duty weapon for many years. I now carry a Kahr PM9 for the same flatness, even though it's not big increase in round count (5 vs 6 or 7 depending on magazine). Reason of the Kahr is the trigger pull, to me, is as close as any slider has come to a true DA revolver feel.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 10:26 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 97
Likes: 2
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
Yes. Absolutely.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 10:36 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 790
Likes: 561
Liked 1,130 Times in 236 Posts
|
|
In answer to your question, let me show you what happens when a 125 gr .38 hollowpoint fired from a S&W 586 with 6" barrel hits something (also shows you what happens when you do something stupid like pulling a trigger before checking to see if the gun is loaded.).
I was standing about 5 feet from the mirror when gun was fired.
1st pic shows where it entered the mirror frame.
2nd pic shows exit hole on other side of wall in hall bathroom.
3rd pic shows what happened when it hit the sink.
4th pic shows actual hollowpoint bullet after it hit sink.
Didn't take 5th pic but it would have showed me dropping to my knees and thanking God it wasn't my foot.
Hope that answers your question.( There are still small pieces of the sink embedded in bathroom wall)
__________________
Psalms 37:4
Last edited by john14_18; 07-19-2017 at 10:38 PM.
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 10:55 PM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: SE PA
Posts: 972
Likes: 292
Liked 2,548 Times in 653 Posts
|
|
The 38 will not only do the job, it will shine in the process. I recently posted a thread about arthritis of the hands making me have to go to a recoilless handgun for SD. I went to a 22 Compact but before I did that I researched the lethality of the 22. After many hours of research I finally was comfortable with the decision. The 38 is an upgrade from the 22LR.
For the doubters, accuracy is the determining factor in a gunfight. A 22 between the BG's eyes is better that a 45 in his arm
Now let's try multiplication. Three 40 gr bullets form a 22 is roughly equal one 115 gr from a 9mm. How about if I can deliver those three rounds as fast and more accurately than the single 9mm round. And I can because I have no recoil to deal with.
Next week, I am going to run a test to see how many gr of 22 lead I can put on target in a five shot burst at 25 feet. I will post the result in a thread here.
With a 38 laying in a couple rounds within a couple seconds the result would be devastating to the BG. Sure and simple.
The kill formula is not hard to understand. The force on target is a multiple of the the weight of the bullet times the velocity. It makes no difference if the weight is distributed over sequential rapid fire rounds or a single round. 120 gr of lead will incapacitate if the hits are rapid sequentially and well grouped. The secret to a small caliber SD gun is accuracy with speed. Combined they are lethal.
Last edited by richardw; 08-10-2017 at 10:21 AM.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-19-2017, 11:40 PM
|
Banned
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Gods waiting room, W/C FL
Posts: 3,736
Likes: 3,334
Liked 4,548 Times in 2,010 Posts
|
|
IT IS
IF YOU IS.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-20-2017, 09:03 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: for now ,Texas
Posts: 2,738
Likes: 185
Liked 3,297 Times in 1,523 Posts
|
|
A lot of bad guys are taking a " dirt nap " because of the 38spl . It's been serving a call to duty , for over 100 yrs w/military and law enforcement around the world . And it will continue to serve .
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-20-2017, 03:24 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Likes: 342
Liked 445 Times in 203 Posts
|
|
Well, when I posted this question I already knew it was. That guy in Alabama in the included link dropped an 820 lb wild pig with one. That alone tells the tale. Pigs tend to be twice as tough as men.
|
07-20-2017, 05:01 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 43
Likes: 55
Liked 29 Times in 18 Posts
|
|
Wow, that is one big pig!
|
07-21-2017, 12:45 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,060
Likes: 336
Liked 725 Times in 370 Posts
|
|
I think a .38 has its real strength in its shootability. A steel frame gun and standard loads can be comfortably used by most anyone. The .357 barks and bites and needs training to overcome. There are loads that can be made that are super deadly in a .357 and super uncontrollable. 22 grains of Win 296 behind a 125 grain XTP vs. 3.5 to 4 grains of Clays behind a 125 grain XTP is an illustration of wild .357 vs. mild .38. I'm fine with a .38; it's something I understand and can wring the absolute best accuracy out of. I bought a .357 for versatility.
__________________
This≠DodgeCity&You≠BillHickok
|
07-21-2017, 05:20 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 968
Likes: 1,729
Liked 808 Times in 378 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickflst
|
This guy is by far the best gun guy on YouTube. I recently just discovered his work and find it to be superb, with a laid-back style that is hard to find.
I believe the .38 is more than enough for defense in most circumstances, with the right ammo of course. No, it is not as powerful as the .357 Magnum in any gun. Many 9mm rounds will perform better. But how many super compact and light guns can launch a 158 grain hollow point downrange at a decent velocity?
|
07-21-2017, 08:39 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2006
Location: N. Ohio
Posts: 1,676
Likes: 9,357
Liked 2,709 Times in 991 Posts
|
|
I watched the video. Very informative. I think I learned what I have herd all along. Carry what I like, what I can carry every day, and what I can shoot confidently and accurately.
__________________
Two Handguns every day
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-21-2017, 08:54 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,624
Likes: 2,003
Liked 1,653 Times in 809 Posts
|
|
Most stops of a criminal with a gun there is no shots fired. I don't think the criminal cares if it is a 38 special.
|
07-21-2017, 10:08 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southwest Iowa
Posts: 10,867
Likes: 2,688
Liked 18,968 Times in 5,588 Posts
|
|
I hope I never get first hand knowledge but I continue to try and be ready.
__________________
Mike
S&WCA #3065
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 10:07 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 73
Likes: 2
Liked 15 Times in 5 Posts
|
|
As a rookie LE in Miami back in 1967, first service revolver was S&W Model 10 .38 special.. we were forbidden from carrying
.357 and no auto loaders.. eventually when auto loaders became more user friendly with the advent of reliable da/sa models like the Smith 39 and 59 9mm, we changed over.. not because of
the difference in effectiveness but rather the increased capacity
Of 15 rounds with the autos.. so today the same holds true for
civilians as well as police officers..
Shot placement is everything in defensive shooting, especially
when using a handgun.. years later when investigating homicides, I worked cases where a single .22 LR caused a fatal wound and others where a victim survived multiple hits from a 45 ACP..
So although I would not recommend anything less than a .380
for EDC, stopping an offender with a handgun is not a perfect
science no matter what you carry.. hence, as they say, some gun is better than no gun.. So carry what you are comfortable with
carrying ALL the time.. The only downside to the .38 is lack of capacity (5 to 7) since only available in wheel guns..
My load of choice being Speer GD 135 gr.
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 10:37 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2006
Location: N. Ohio
Posts: 1,676
Likes: 9,357
Liked 2,709 Times in 991 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavnamvet
As a rookie LE in Miami back in 1967, first service revolver was S&W Model 10 .38 special.. we were forbidden from carrying
.357 and no auto loaders.. eventually when auto loaders became more user friendly with the advent of reliable da/sa models like the Smith 39 and 59 9mm, we changed over.. not because of
the difference in effectiveness but rather the increased capacity
Of 15 rounds with the autos.. so today the same holds true for
civilians as well as police officers..
Shot placement is everything in defensive shooting, especially
when using a handgun.. years later when investigating homicides, I worked cases where a single .22 LR caused a fatal wound and others where a victim survived multiple hits from a 45 ACP..
So although I would not recommend anything less than a .380
for EDC, stopping an offender with a handgun is not a perfect
science no matter what you carry.. hence, as they say, some gun is better than no gun.. So carry what you are comfortable with
carrying ALL the time.. The only downside to the .38 is lack of capacity (5 to 7) since only available in wheel guns..
My load of choice being Speer GD 135 gr.
|
Im all in with cavnamvet's opinion. That's why I carry Two J-Frames or my 7 shot Snub and a J-Frame. Extra Speed Loaders are in my pocket.
__________________
Two Handguns every day
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 10:44 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,566
Likes: 5,443
Liked 2,921 Times in 1,222 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by john14_18
...let me show you what happens ......when you do something stupid like pulling a trigger before checking to see if the gun is loaded......
...pic shows exit hole on other side of wall in hall bathroom.....
|
Looks like you wrote, "I will not pull the trigger in the house." 100 times.
Yes. Thank goodness you and all others were okay but that sink has seen better days.
__________________
Scoundrel & Ne'er-Do-Well
Last edited by g8rb8; 07-23-2017 at 10:52 AM.
|
07-23-2017, 11:02 AM
|
Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: N. Alabama
Posts: 2,572
Likes: 3,960
Liked 7,689 Times in 1,773 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by tx40d
Wow, that is one big pig!
|
We in bama already had a hogzilla hoax a few years back.
Penned up,grain fed, headline grabbing trophy' hogzilla.
Turns out the latest hogzilla killer owns a taxidermy shop, how convenient that trophy walked onto 'his' porch...38 caliber??? Bigger headlines....the slaughter house used to kill cows with one 22 round...daily
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 11:07 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 542
Likes: 136
Liked 1,041 Times in 309 Posts
|
|
I sure hope so. My J Frame is my off duty carry and my on duty BUG. As many here have stated I've taken a liking to the Gold Dot short barrel load.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 11:27 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: (outside) Charleston, SC
Posts: 30,907
Likes: 41,495
Liked 29,151 Times in 13,779 Posts
|
|
They aren't that different in weight.....
9mm run from 90 grains to 147 grains (and higher which I am experimenting with) while .38s run from 110 to 160 grains (typically). Both do well wilth 125 gr. bullets.
__________________
"He was kinda funny lookin'"
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 11:27 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Northern NY-AdirondackMts
Posts: 7,997
Likes: 12,856
Liked 13,380 Times in 5,043 Posts
|
|
I sure think it is for most cases! Just going out I grab a .38+P Ruger LCR and stick it in my pocket. (its in a pocket holster) It conceals well and no one know its available if needed
I certainly hope I never have to prove out the "enough" part!
That gun is for casual carry which covers about 95% of what I do. The other 5% is a .45 in a ISWBH for when I'm going into the city. Finding less and less reasons to go to cities as time goes by.
__________________
14 S&W Revs none with locks!
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-23-2017, 11:35 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Blue Ridge Mtns
Posts: 1,983
Likes: 1,281
Liked 4,401 Times in 1,367 Posts
|
|
From Dr. Gary K. Roberts:
Quote:
Currently, the Speer Gold Dot 135 gr +P JHP, Winchester 130 gr bonded +P JHP (RA38B), and Barnes 110 gr XPB all copper JHP (for ex. in the Corbon DPX loading) offer the most reliable expansion we have seen from a .38 sp 2” BUG; Hornady 110 gr standard pressure and +P Critical Defense loads also offer good performance out of 2" barrel revolvers...
...There is no reason to go with .357 mag in a J-frame, as the significantly larger muzzle blast and flash, and harsher recoil of the .357 Magnum does not result in substantially improved terminal performance compared to the more controllable .38 Special bullets when fired from 2” barrels...
... As always, don't get too wrapped in the nuances of ammunition terminal performance. Spend your time and money on developing a warrior mindset, training, practice, and more training.
|
__________________
642-1, M&P15 TS
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
07-25-2017, 12:09 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Derby City,Ky.
Posts: 4,675
Likes: 5,277
Liked 3,503 Times in 1,680 Posts
|
|
I own seven .38 spl. so yes would be my opinion.
__________________
Life is short,live it fully.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 10:31 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 46
Likes: 60
Liked 32 Times in 18 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda
The .38 Special has served Americans well for over 100 years. Nobody likes getting shot, not with a BB gun and not with a .22 and definitely not with a .38 Special. Shot placement is the key. A .22 in the heart works a far deadlier magic than a .38 in the shoulder. But if what you are going for is a fight/threat stopper, which is really all anyone ever needs from a technical perspective, then the .38 Special is more than good enough to do the job. The only reason I am presently carrying a 9mm and not a .38 is for the flatness and concealment capability. I have carried a .38 with me daily for many years and never felt under gunned.
|
The .38+P is my go to gun most of the time, when I lived out in the boondocks I put down a couple of wounded but still mobile deer with the .38+P after they were tagged on the road.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 12:42 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 9
Likes: 1
Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts
|
|
Summertime means 1 or 2 airweights loaded with wadcutters as daily carry. I feel safe.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 02:07 PM
|
Banned
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 200
Likes: 374
Liked 231 Times in 76 Posts
|
|
My summertime CCW is the S&W 642 stuffed with Buffalo Bore 158 Grain semi wad cutter hollow point +P's.
The manufacture report over 1,000 fps out of a 1-7/8" barrel.
Thats not to shabby in my book!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 03:04 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 8,002
Likes: 35,764
Liked 29,650 Times in 6,014 Posts
|
|
As a member of the NYPD Stakeout Squad Jim Cirillo killed up to 19
armed thugs with his trusty S&W Model 10 4" bull barrel. It isn't so
much the gun or caliber as it is the guy pulling the trigger. As has been
stated do your part and the .38 Spl. will do it's part.
__________________
In Omnia Paratus
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 04:21 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Location: E of America's Great Lake
Posts: 2,774
Likes: 1,416
Liked 4,377 Times in 1,654 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by MCorps0311
I own seven .38 spl. so yes would be my opinion.
|
Only seven, lets see... 34*, 36, 37, 38, 40, 42, 49, 60**, 340**, 637, 638, 640**, 442, 642, gotta have at least one of each flavor;-)
(My wife told me this, but she may have been talking about shoes.)
*ok .38s&w but the BG won't notice.
**Like most people aren't shooting .38 spl out of them.
__________________
Certified Curmudgeon
Last edited by TomkinsSP; 08-09-2017 at 05:48 PM.
Reason: 638, but if there is a 639 I want one.
|
08-09-2017, 04:26 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: A Burb of the Burgh
Posts: 14,748
Likes: 1,614
Liked 19,850 Times in 8,772 Posts
|
|
Yes....... though I like a load that's doing 100fps out of a 3" barrel.
I really like my 3" 65s and 66s loaded with +P .38s for EDC
Last edited by BAM-BAM; 08-09-2017 at 04:27 PM.
|
08-09-2017, 04:26 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,774
Likes: 17,025
Liked 39,804 Times in 7,848 Posts
|
|
...it's all shot placement...
...22 rifle...world record Grizzly...
__________________
A Country Boy Can Survive
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 05:11 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: In the Cloud
Posts: 1,736
Likes: 2,252
Liked 1,872 Times in 582 Posts
|
|
There is research on this topic involving real world evidence for the stopping power of the common handgun calibers as well as rifles and shotguns.
Google " An Alternate Look At Handgun Stopping Power " by Greg Ellifritz .
His conclusion is that there is very little difference in actual street effectiveness among handgun calibers. Rifles and shotguns are more effective.
Worth reading.
__________________
I like Ike.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 07:47 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New England, USA
Posts: 4,468
Likes: 3,068
Liked 4,294 Times in 1,610 Posts
|
|
Yea but,
Yea, but the mall ninja's on the net say I need a forty and two extra mags......
__________________
Dave
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 08:46 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Wilson, NC
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 462
Liked 816 Times in 373 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Hooker
Yea, but the mall ninja's on the net say I need a forty and two extra mags......
|
You need at least 4.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 10:01 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: WV
Posts: 2,426
Likes: 390
Liked 2,827 Times in 1,257 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Hooker
Yea, but the mall ninja's on the net say I need a forty and two extra mags......
|
Those guys are posers. The real operators (and I know they are because they said so) know if you don't have a cocked and locked 1911, you might as well be shooting rubber bands at the bad guys.
|
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 10:14 PM
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,783
Likes: 4,206
Liked 15,131 Times in 4,142 Posts
|
|
The mall ninjas also haunt gun shops & ranges, offering their expertise on how to defend yourself from zombies. I'm 70 and have NEVER seen a zombie and am not sure what they are.
__________________
Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)
|
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
|
|
08-09-2017, 11:43 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,624
Likes: 2,003
Liked 1,653 Times in 809 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old cop
The mall ninjas also haunt gun shops & ranges, offering their expertise on how to defend yourself from zombies. I'm 70 and have NEVER seen a zombie and am not sure what they are.
|
I have, they are on TV all the time. That coroner zombie is kinda cute, though she is a tad pale.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|