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Old 07-19-2017, 02:38 PM
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I have an on going issuses with neighbors. Last night I pulled on to our street to find the neighbors blocking the road .Its a dirt rural road. I slowed to a crawl when I saw this. As I got closer and crawling alot of the adults moved out the street. The one problem child decided to let his pit bulll loose and run in front of the car too. I still was at a crawl and dog decided to go into his yard. I didn't say a word to any of them . But gave them a look as they where yelling not so nice word. My question did I handel it correctly by refusing to be bullied ? Thoughts please?
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I don't quite understand the problem. How were you bullied? Did they block you? If so why?

I'm guessing there is some history there?

But generally speaking not getting involved in disputes is the right thing to do



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I have an on going issuses with neighbors. Last night I pulled on to our street to find the neighbors blocking the road .Its a dirt rural road. I slowed to a crawl when I saw this. As I got closer and crawling alot of the adults moved out the street. The one problem child decided to let his pit bulll loose and run in front of the car too. I still was at a crawl and dog decided to go into his yard. I didn't say a word to any of them . But gave them a look as they where yelling not so nice word. My question did I handel it correctly by refusing to be bullied ? Thoughts please?
Hard to say if you handled it correctly.

IIRC, you've posted about them quite a bit. The sociopaths next door. Apologies if that's not right. Doesn't sound like you'll ever get them kicked out. No good answer, but from my perspective, you only have three options...

1) You can figure out some way to coexist with them (it may not be possible).

2) You can move.

3) You can live in a constant state of conflict with them. I'm guessing they have a lot more experience living like that than you do, so that may not be a great choice.

If they're swearing at you and you're making faces at them, that probably works for #2 and #3. Not so much for #1.

For #1, you could try the "speak softly and carry a big stick" approach. Give them a big wave and smile every time you see them, regardless of their behavior. Every time they trespass, call the sheriff. If they confront you about it, give them your biggest smile and say "Was that you hon?. I'm sorry, I always call the sheriff when someone I don't recognize is on the property."

If they are as big of sociopaths as you've said, moving or living in perpetual conflict may be the only two realistic options.
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Yes blocking me from being abel to get to my gate. Our history is they trepass and vandazile and steal.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:11 PM
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I'm not sure about your financial situation but to me life is too short to put up w/this 24/7. Sooner or later you will be drawn into a conflict and the outcome will not be good, regardless of who the "winner" is. Sell & move away ASAP. I know b/c I found myself in a similar situation.
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If you are really stuck with this bunch,they shouldn't be too hard to deal with.Look how they live,they are idiots! Schmooze em!
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:18 PM
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I had problems with one of my neighbors and had approached him on my own the first time. Just got a blank stare back. The second time (this involved a firearm) I got the sheriff involved and thought it was taken care of.
Nope!

He decided he was above the law as he continued his behavior.
Again The sheriff was called and this time he was threatened with jail time. Problem solved so far as it has been months since the incident.

It can be extremely aggravating but it is best left up to the police. Maybe a trip to your local PD and have a discussion with the top officer. Good luck.
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Set up cameras around your property. They are not expensive and can link to your WiFi and send images to your phone. Many have two way talk so you can actually talk through the camera and record as well.

Get them legally.
Just deal with it and avoid confrontation
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:47 PM
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If moving is an option it is probable the best one. I doubt this behavior will change; they seem to be trash. In the small town I worked in we had a "family" like the one you described. We were there often. On one call the women stated "If I had a truck I'd move." The next day the Chief rented a truck and we helped her move out of town.
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Been there done that(dirt road,pit bulls and theft)!
Let me fast forward you about a decade.
The wife left the drunken woman beater.
The thief is doing twenty with no parole.
The little **** boys grew up and moved away from drunk daddy.
The school bus mashed three different pit bulls( I worked with the bus driver).
Drunk daddys health has failed to the extent he signed the property over to the young daughter for her help with his care.
Young daughter likes small dogs and does good keeping them outta the road.
Threats, warrants, altercations, civil conversations, hand gestures did nothing but fuel the fire.
One responding officer told me to totally ignore them, they'd find someone else to feud with...felt sorry for a couple sets of new neighbors...but they took the heat until the rotten family caused their own demise.
Ignore...Ignore...Ignore!! I still don't look that way when passing just outta habit.
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Are you still there? You asked for Forum advice about this weeks ago. There will come a time when you can't take it another second. Leave NOW.....Nothing good can come out of this. The fact that it is still going on should be proof enough for you. If you don't leave we will eventually be reading about you in the papers. You do not seem to be the type to ignore these folks, so, a confrontation is sure .
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Are you still there? You asked for Forum advice about this weeks ago. There will come a time when you can't take it another second. Leave NOW.....Nothing good can come out of this. The fact that it is still going on should be proof enough for you. If you don't leave we will eventually be reading about you in the papers. You do not seem to be the type to ignore these folks, so, a confrontation is sure .
Yes with all due respect to all on board. Leaving is not an option. We own it like most likely 99% on board here it's not a just leave solution.
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Yes with all due respect to all on board. Leaving is not an option. We own it like most likely 99% on board here it's not a just leave solution.
So now you're down to two choices. Figure out a way to coexist with them or gird yourself for a long road of conflict.

If you you choose coexistence, what kind of options do you have?
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Are you still there? You asked for Forum advice about this weeks ago.
Yep. And I don't see any new useful advice in this thread that wasn't in the previous threads about this.

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If you don't leave we will eventually be reading about you in the papers.
Nope. If this continues, we'll eventually just get tired of reading about it anywhere, and won't even bother to comment on it, because this has simply become one of those S.O.S.-Different-Day situations.

I sympathize with the OP's problem, but with all the advice he's gotten here (some that was totally ridiculous, if I remember correctly), it's time to either sh...take some kind of action to resolve the problem, or just live with it and stop going on and on about it.
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I don't think you should stop posting about it. You're frustrated. Maybe somewhat fearful. If this is the venue you have for bouncing ideas off people, you should use it. You may not always like the feedback you get. You get to sort through what you think will work for you (and what won't).

You're going to have to come to grips that there is no magic bullet to fix your problem. You can sell and move, probably at a loss. You can try to figure out how to coexist with your neighbor, either by ignoring them or developing a relationship with them. Or you can fight with them for the unforseen future.

Simple choices, hard implementation.
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One last thought...NEVER present yourself to be armed!!!
The fools may gun you down.
They will lie under oath...all of them against you.
They will never confront you in public(witnesses).
The end game is to bring you down to their level.
Always be level headed and the smart' one...anger is NOT your friend.

Invisible revenge: Once a can of 'bad' gas happened to fall off my tailgate at the head of their four wheeler trail( they saw it fall off)...Before I could get back to retrieve it...was already in their ATV and lawnmower. None of the neighbors offered to mow their overgrown grass that summer. For some reason, they never enjoyed that four wheeler again....
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This sounds like a Drama that is not going to end well
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Be nice , you have to live with them.
No way to wave a magic wand and make them dissappear.
Be kind , be civil , give them them the golden rule treatment.
Don't give them ugly " looks ".
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you...
Simply .... Be Nice to them, you don't have to love them , approve of their dress or actions but by being nice , a smile a wave ....how you doing ....that goes a long way in having a harmonious neighborly relationship .
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In the words of the great NY Yankees catcher and former MLB manager Yogi Berra, this sounds like "deja vu all over again." I mean, we've been hearing about these whack-o neighbors now for several months. If it's as bad as the OP states, there are obviously some violations of the law.

Wingriderz has shared similar problems that he's had with his neighbors here on the Forum before, and he has received some very good advice, much of it repeated here in this thread. What has happened? Why hasn't it been used? Are we to believe that the Sheriff's Office of that particular county is staffed with a bunch of incompetents because they aren't doing anything about this or is there more to this "thrilling saga" that we aren't hearing about?

Granted, it sounds like the OP has a real problem, but as I have learned over the years, "it's a mighty thin pancake that doesn't have two sides."

People just don't out-of-the-blue blockade a road. There's usually a reason behind it. It's kinda like peeling an onion....layer upon layer upon layer, and sometimes you cry. Something started this whole fiasco...and I have a tough time believing that it's just because these neighbors are jerks. True, that may be the case, but something preempted the situation.

Also, we're they really blocking the road, or was there just a bunch of them out in the street chatting and having a few beers?

And, last I checked, a dog walking out into the street and then back into his own yard isn't against the law. Heck! That happens on a daily basis in our little town.

I think we're missing a piece of the puzzle here.
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I recall you posting about this back along. Sorry (but not surprised) it hasn't improved. I recommended cameras then and still do. Second the dash cam.

I think this has a high probability of escalating into a physical altercation. Do nothing to provoke it. Be prepared to deal with it. Let the cameras do their job.
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Don't let them intimidate you but do not give them the look. When you give them the look you have given them exactly what they want. A response. And yes get the dash cam. It may keep you from going to jail one day. That is unless you give them the look, or give them the word, or the finger, or flash them a look at your gun. Then "you're" the one in trouble.

I'm sorry you are having to deal with these people.
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There's a mentality that I call "The Ghetto Philosophy" which contends that if you're "disrespected" and you don't respond to this disrespect, you're a punk and people will take this disrespect farther and farther each time until they have every bit of commissary and every stamp you have. And nobody wants to be a punk. Like many things ghetto, it goes back to prison, which is a powerful generator of ghetto mores and values. In prison, you can't let anyone make you a punk. And as they say in the ghetto: "If you're a punk on the street, you're a punk in the joint."

You can see how well this works out for people who live in the ghetto. Look at someone the wrong way: Shot. Call someone out their name: Shot. Let someone's dog poo on your driveway: Punk. Throw the poo into their car: Shot. Look at the town clock across the street when someone's woman is between you and the clock: Shot.

You can see why it doesn't pay to have the ghetto philosophy. If you live in the ghetto, move. If your neighbors just act like they're in the ghetto. Smile, Wave, Forget. SWF. It really doesn't make you a punk. Unless you're a punk. Then at least you'll be a punk who isn't shot.
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It sounds to me like you're outnumbered and fixing to get bushwhacked if you keep fooling with the sand paper. Don't ever show agression toward pets. That is cowardly and incites people to do violent things out of passion. If you had appeared to endanger one of my pets, I'd be inclined to extract you from the vehicle and vigorously encourage your comprehensive understanding of my concerns. Live and let live while being prepared to win at all costs. You've gotten too close and to familiar. Ease back and become a mystery. People can't quantify your ability or demeanor and therefore are less likely to cross you.

Or you could spray the area around the gate with pepper spray or sugar water to draw bugs or plant blackberry bushes and make it not fun standing room.
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Well, not all of us.

As I recall, OP bought a piece of property only to find the "neighbors" using it as their own. Apparently, OP wanting to use his own property offended these fine people deeply.

The indignity! The man deserves the quiet enjoyment of his property.
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It sounds to me like you're outnumbered and fixing to get bushwhacked if you keep fooling with the sand paper. Don't ever show agression toward pets. That is cowardly and incites people to do violent things out of passion. If you had appeared to endanger one of my pets, I'd be inclined to extract you from the vehicle and vigorously encourage your comprehensive understanding of my concerns. Live and let live while being prepared to win at all costs. You've gotten too close and to familiar. Ease back and become a mystery. People can't quantify your ability or demeanor and therefore are less likely to cross you.

Or you could spray the area around the gate with pepper spray or sugar water to draw bugs or plant blackberry bushes and make it not fun standing room.
Keep your dog restrained or face the possibility that it will get run over if it frequents the public thoroughfare. You can't drag someone out of a car to protect property . . .
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Well, not all of us.

As I recall, OP bought a piece of property only to find the "neighbors" using it as their own. Apparently, OP wanting to use his own property offended these fine people deeply.
No, I recall the same as you do. It was a little over a year ago when the OP bought the place and the property is in northern Florida. Believe me, I have read all of the posts regarding these neighbors.

What I was trying to say is that these recurring problems have been met with some great advice from members of this forum...time and time and time again, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Yet, the problems still seem to be happening. What's going on? Much of the advice given was from some of the LEO's on the forum. It was good, thorough, solid advice that would normally eradicate the problem. What happened?

Is the OP ignoring the advice? Why do law enforcement officials continue to ignore the problem? There are obviously some infractions of the law here, but why isn't law enforcement doing anything?

What that tells me is that a.) law enforcement in that county is totally incompetent, or b.) the OP decided not to use the advice that has been given him now for several months, or c.) maybe...just maybe...we aren't getting the full picture.

When the Sheriff's Office has been called and they have responded, why the heck didn't they do anything if these people are obviously breaking the law by illegally blockading the road, issuing verbal threats to the OP, vandalizing property, stealing, etc.? Also, if I remember correctly, didn't the ol' gal threaten Wingriderz with a lead pipe? C'mon, now, folks...don't you think law enforcement would be a little concerned about that? Just how many verbal warnings do these crazies get?

I'm glad you feel you understand the whole situation completely. Personally, I still have a few questions.

Like I said, there are two sides to every coin. It would be interesting to hear law enforcement's perspective...and even more interesting to hear the perspective of these whack-o neighbors.

That's all I was saying.
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I would suggest that you look at what is involved in taking up Bee Keeping. A few well placed hives could discourage trespassing, especially after you "warn" those neighbors that the only bees that are resistant to Colony Collapse Disorder and Africanized bees which tend to attack any intruder that gets too close, even loose dogs. Yeah, That is BS but a fear of bees is quite common and could provide some relief. BTW, Bee Keeping can be a very interesting hobby and honey can be a rather nice bit of a reward.

Another really obvious suggestion is some well placed cameras that are well hidden and capable of producing high quality images. Because at this point your only recourse is clear documentation of what you are dealing with.
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Keep your dog restrained or face the possibility that it will get run over if it frequents the public thoroughfare. You can't drag someone out of a car to protect property . . .
1. I don't have a dog. It was illustrative of how people become passionately violent over pets and agression shown them.
2. Shouldn't not can't. The realm of possibility is not defined/confined by rules/laws.
3. Don't assume that people are following your train of logic. Better to be pleasantly surprised than sorely mistaken.
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Yes blocking me from being abel to get to my gate. Our history is they trepass and vandazile and steal.
My MIL moved out to the country because she wanted horses and for the wholesome lifestyle. The neighbor on one side was a psychopath and the other was a criminal. Oh, she was a real cutie drug runner who got all of her 'boyfriends' to steal for her, MAYBE for some type of 'favors' My MIL was constantly being robbed of saddle tack, tillers, you name it. My MIL came home one day to find her talking to one of her 'boyfriends' in an A/C repair truck in her driveway by her house and in front of her garage. (It's about 1/8 mile from the street. What the hell was she doing there? I know I didn't call those A/C people for any repairs because I'd probably get robbed blind after he 'cased' the place out.
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It would be interesting to hear law enforcement's perspective..

Chip you asked so here goes. First everyone there is angry, bitter, and crazy. There lots of things we can change, but the A.B.C.s arent one of them. So, when one of you kills the other give us a call, and well come out, quickly, and clean up the mess Ya all started. Understand one of Ya is going to the morgue and the other to jail.
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In all seriousness, there's very little you can do. In a civilized world you would be able to have a chat and come to some arrangement with them. Alas, we only have the illusion of a civilized world.

I had a similar situation. When I moved into one house, I didn't realize that my neighbor behind me was a drug dealer. He went to prison. But that didn't stop the every week visit from the police to that same house. Then someone moved in a few houses away that was not a drug dealer, but liked to sit in his driveway, drunk out of his mind and blast his car stereo. Then there was...I could go on and on.

I made the painful decision to take the financial hit and move. It cost me a lot and I had to do a short sale on my house, but it was worth it. Now the only issues I have with my neighbors are humorous, not dangerous.
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I agree with all those who say life is too short and it's not worth the potential consequences and emotional misery.

It may suck in the short term to go through the upheaval of a move but in hindsight you'll thank yourself for making the right decision.
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Video cameras, fences, dogs. Record every interaction, and around your property. Fences, and dogs will help keep them off your property.

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For the record, I HATE the idea of moving as a solution. Sometimes there is no other option. I sincerely hope you can find another solution.
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At my age now,you did the right thing.Killing the a'hole would only cost you money, and maybe time in jail. Not worth it. Just my two cent opinion.
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Aloha,

Slightly OT

I am learning a lot about "country" living.

We will be flying out to Texas in 2 days and looking for property in the country.

Added another thing to look for to our "list"

I think stopping by the Sherriff's office and having a chat about the area is a good idea.

Being able to have a private range and hunting on site is a Must.
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Slightly OT



I am learning a lot about "country" living.



We will be flying out to Texas in 2 days and looking for property in the country.



Added another thing to look for to our "list"



I think stopping by the Sherriff's office and having a chat about the area is a good idea.



Being able to have a private range and hunting on site is a Must.


Varies by county but in general in TX 10 or more acres required as well as distance from occupied structures and roads/hwys.

There are other items but that is he basics.

I am looking for 15 or so myself.

In he area Im looking 10k/acre seems the average.

Its gone up and up he last couple yrs and is climbing still.





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I vote for moving. These people are not going to change and further confrontation is likely. If moving is not an option I would suggest two very good books. "The Sociopath Next Door" and "Without Conscience". Understanding what makes these people tick can be very helpful.
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This isn't likely going to end up as a "right or wrong" issue, but a smart or wrong issue.

People like to read into things whatever they want to see there.

Yep, always at least 2 sides to every situation (because some folks on any particular "side" may not be able to remain consistent where trying to explain something after things have gotten squirrely).

Local LE may not see either "side" as being "right", but various shades of "contributory wrong". The old saying of "2 wrongs don't make a right" still has meaning and relevance.

Dunno what "blocking a dirt road" means without being there to see it. Private property road or unimproved county road? It can matter.

Things in the country might be shrugged off as a civil matter ... until somebody does something "criminal enough" which makes the local LE decide "enough is enough", and somebody gets stuck with avoidable legal trouble. Might not be the "side" that expects it, or which started it, either. (Or which "deserves" it, depending on which perspective holds sway at any particular moment.)

Don't remember enough of previous threads/posts to have an opinion regarding OP's situation. (Situations?)

Get some legal advice, meaning consider speaking to not only the local sheriff, but an attorney who practices in this area of the law. Dunno if that may mean also talking to attorneys who specialize in land use issues, as well as civil disturbances and property disputes. Only you really know your situation, so only you can start looking for answers other than in an online gun enthusiast's forum.

Once you know your options, as well as you might be able, then be prepared to discover that there may not be a perfect answer (in the manner you desire) to your situation.

Neighbor disputes can be many combinations of unique and nasty.

Sometimes even the cops can only sit back, powerless to "do something" demanded by one or another "side", hold their breath, and wonder which "side" is finally going to cross the line where it's all downhill after that.

You have my sympathy and empathy, but I can't pretend to be remotely able to offer any sort of advice. Good luck.
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Just call the cops and let them handle a situation every time it comes up. You do anything on your own and they will use that as more reason to mess with you. Just keep calling the cops. They let their dogs run then call the dog warden to come pick them up. Kids are in the street call child protective services that the kids are playing in the street while the parents don't stop them. Are they drinking in public call to get them arrested for public intoxication. Is there a home owners association? Do they need reported for unkempt property? Use the law to make their life miserable and they might be the ones thinking about moving out. Do you ever smell pot or suspect drug dealing going on? If they are trash then you can bet they have some things stinking about them. Sick the K=9 of the law on them.
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There has been a few city folks moved out here in the country with the idea they could do as they pleased. Several were thinking everybody should hear their music all over 50 acres of land. I call the sheriff on one and another neighbor called another time on the other. The sheriff told me I don't have to wait till it's dark to call the law. The loud music stopped. Let the law take care of it not you.
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