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Old 08-17-2017, 12:35 PM
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I am considering legally carrying on a college campus. It is important that my carry method print as little as possible. In your experience, which is the better way to carry—pocket or holster shirt? IWB/OWB is out of the question, as well as ankle carry; too easy to print or accidentally expose.
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Old 08-17-2017, 12:46 PM
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Maximum concealment comes from minimum firearm. Choose a small enough firearm, and you can carry it any way you want.

My Sig P238 came with a wallet holster.



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My Ruger LC9 and a CrossBreed IWB holster works fine for me. I wear my shirts outside my pants and NO ONE has yet to discover I'm carrying.
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Maximum concealment can be achieved with a Smart Carry "crotch" holster. Pants must be worn a bit loose to allow for quick access. It works great because few people are going to stare at your crotch.

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Barami "Hip Grips" on a J-frame will solve your problem. Stick the gun in a pocket, cover with a tail-out shirt. Completely invisible, available in an instant.

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I carried a Colt Commander all over campus (cargo shorts & fishing shirt) and also a J frame in a front pocket. Nobody even looked twice and I was never 'outed'.

Get a Ruger LCP or similar....they are inexpensive (great for broke undergrads), they are reasonably reliable, and will cover the bases when needed.
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Welcome to the Forum. You'll find that carrying a handgun is a series of compromises. When I obtained my first CCL (Concealed Carry License - now known as a LTC - License To Carry), I planned on carrying either a 4.0 inch barreled .357 Magnum, or a Colt's Government Model in .45ACP. That didn't last very long as both of these handguns were simply too large to carry concealed - plus they were heavy.

I eventually evolved to my present day EDC (Every Day Carry) - a S&W Model 38-0 and a Model 638-1 both chambered in .38 Special. I almost exclusively pocket carry using DeSantis Nemesis holsters. (By the way, in case you didn't know, carrying a second, loaded handgun is known as a "New York Reload".)

Because of my back and hip problems, I'm having to off-load more weight, and am now exploring ways to reduce down to 1 revolver, and still have a reasonable back-up - probably a small, fixed blade knife or dagger. See, once more, compromises.

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I've been carrying IWB since the mid-80s...... first a Walther PPK today a S&W 3913NL...... with out any issues....... from 3 piece suits to jeans.

Good belt ..... Milt Sparks holsters and a 4 O'clock carry!!!

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There is always a balance between concealability, accessibility and effectiveness of the firearm to be carried. The pocket holster probably prints the least but might be difficult to access while seated, as would a way-inside-the-pants style. Inside the shirt would be slow or impossible depending on your style of dress. Perhaps a good option is a belt holster that looks like a phone case? Everyone at college has a phone and you would look no different. Good luck in your decision.
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M-dog...... makes a very good point ...........everyone has.... something or things.... "printing" on their belts these days
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I 2nd the recommendation of the Ruger LCP...great little guns. I carry one occasionally. It is the only gun I pocket carry and still feel like it's not obvious I have a gun.

Don't be too quick to throw out ankle holsters. I wear one every day with a j frame. With jeans and work/hiking boots it is completely invisible. Nobody stares at your feet...
They are slower to get a gun into action but with practice one can get pretty quick at it.

And if you ankle carry a Ruger LCP you will all but forget it's there.
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Maximum concealment can be achieved with a Smart Carry "crotch" holster. Pants must be worn a bit loose to allow for quick access. It works great because few people are going to stare at your crotch.
last part not necessarily true on a college campus these days.......

Pocket holster works just fine, especially if you wear things like plaid shorts or similar where there is a pattern to break things up.
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I thought I posted early today but it seems to be missing. I'll try again.

As someone that can NOT print several days a week I have found that pocket carry of a weapon like an LCP is the easiest way to have the weapon available but be certain it won't show. IWB can print, your shirt can come undone, it can ride up, or you can bump into someone in a crowded hallway and they feel it. Pocket carry in pants that are not tight with a good holster (I use a DeSantis that I am very happy with) eliminates those issues in my experience.
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When I need maximum deep concealment it's my LCP in a pocket holster in my L/F pocket (I'm a leftie). Otherwise my EDC is a 340PD, also pocket carried the same way.
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I agree that an LCP of whichever generation will conceal as good as or better than anything else.
I also have an LC9 in a crossbreed IWB that won't be seen until it is too late.
With the right holster a S&W 442/642/638 etc. will carry well in a large enough front pocket and be very comfortable, easy to draw and hard to see for anyone who doesn't know you have it.
You're probably going to have to play the gun/ holster game until you find what works for you.
Just remember, nobody will be looking at your waistband or pockets as critically as you will.

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While I haven't been in your situation, I have given a lot of thought to what I would do if I needed to carry for maximum concealment.

I normally carry my 642 IWB at around 3:30-4:00. Under my typical clothing it is practically invisible, even if I have to bend over to pick something up. However, there is the possibility that I might not be able to wear an untucked shirt. Then again, if I can't wear an untucked shirt, chances are I'm someplace that prohibits carrying a gun.

I haven't tried Smart Carry, but I'm not comfortable with its accessibility (or lack thereof).

I have similar concerns with ankle carry, although it does offer some advantages if you spend much of your time sitting. I carry a small trauma kit in an ankle holster, and with my usual jeans it disappears. I never cross that leg. But accessing a gun quickly can be a problem in any non-sitting position.

I've never tried a holster shirt, so I can't comment on that, except to say that unless you have a lightweight gun and wear the shirt very tight you may have to deal with the gun bouncing against you as you move. I would have similar concerns with something like an upside-down shoulder holster worn under a shirt (something I have considered). Something like a belly band or Kangaroo holster may be an acceptable alternative.

For me, at least, if I couldn't get away with carrying my 642 IWB under an untucked shirt, my first choice would be something like a LCP in a pocket holster. I think that combination would give me the best balance between concealability and accessibility, while acknowledging it has its weaknesses, most noticeably drawing while seated. YMMV.

As has been said, whatever carry method you use will involve compromises in one way or another. You may just have to experiment to find the compromise that works best for you.

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Ditto the small gun in a pocket carry holster. I have a Seecamp .380 that I carry in a DeSantis pocket holster when I absolutely positively can't take a chance on printing.
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Unless you're into skinny jeans, I'd go with a 442 or 642 in a pocket holster. My 442 in a Mika holster is always there.
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I carry my newly acquired 380 in a pocket holster in my back pocket. No one knows I am carrying a gun. If I had it OWB, everyone would know, abs if it were IWB most people who see details would know. It also avoids the problem if hiding waistband holster I guess when you remove a coat in cooler weather. I have a holster that converts from IWB to OWB for those times when full concealment is not an issue.

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I like and use the iTuck by Tuff Products. It holds my Samsung S7 in an Otterbox Defender case and .45 XDs nicely. I've been using the iTuck for over two years.

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Obviously, OWB is not workable UNLESS one dresses professionally. Have you considered a suit/sport coat? (If your position precludes that, understood.)

That said, a proper holster (think Remora) and a jframe is wholly 'invisible' whilst worn IWB. FTR, I have CCW'd for 40 plus years whilst working/playing in big cities wherein CCW is very rare.

Nary an issue...ever...only 'made' once...and that was a long, long, long time ago.

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[QUOTE=ninjamin7;139710121?.. IWB/OWB is out of the question, as well as ankle carry; too easy to print or accidentally expose.[/QUOTE]
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If you are a student, please ignore the foregoing.

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Obviously, OWB is not workable UNLESS one dresses professionally. Have you considered a suit/sport coat? (If your position precludes that, understood.)

That said, a proper holster (think Remora) and a jframe is wholly 'invisible' whilst worn IWB. FTR, I have CCW'd for 40 plus years whilst working/playing in big cities wherein CCW is very rare.

Nary an issue...ever...only 'made' once...and that was a long, long, long time ago.

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I have pocket carried for many years now. I'm not a skinny jeans body type, so I've never been "made" even by folks who know something about me and are gun wise. I used to carry a S&W 642, but for the last several years, I've been carrying a Kahr CM-9. I once used an Uncle Mike's, and for many years used the DeSantis Nemesis holster. They both worked, but I recently switched to a Blackhawk Tec Grip. I'm liking it best for it's staying in the pocket when the handgun is drawn, but we'll see how it holds up over time. I can pocket carry with a suit, jeans or cargo shorts/pants without any problems. Of course I don't have anything else in the pocket except for the gun and holster.

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I've never had a problem with a J-Frame in my pocket and one AIWB. Tonight I decided to change a bit and carried Two J-Frames, one in each front pocket. Worked very well.
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Don't be too quick to throw out ankle holsters. I wear one every day with a j frame. With jeans and work/hiking boots it is completely invisible. Nobody stares at your feet...
I appreciate the wisdom offered here. However, my personal experience with ankle holsters, the way my pants fit me (regular, straight cut, full break), and apparently the way I sit results in my pants working their way up off my shoes and halfway up my socks in a short amount of time. This would, at best, show someone that there's something other than sock around my ankle. :/
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Well, the two most obvious question nobody's asked: why are you carrying, and what are you?

If you're concerned about general criminality, a Ruger LCP or other teensy .380, or a S&W J-frame fits the bill.

If you're worried about "civil unrest" on campus (once laughable, but now a consideration I'd take very seriously), then I'd consider something in at least 9mm, with a bit more capacity.

If you're concerned about something more serious than a little ol' riot, I'd keep the same cartridge, but downsize the capacity, on the basis that the number of threats will be as serious but less-numerous than the prior scenario.

Same deal with method of carry. I would discard truly deep concealment options, strictly on the basis that they're not particularly useful for the most common threat (criminality) that you're likely to face. If you can't get it out in a timely fashion, then the gun is just a liability, in that you're carrying around a very convenient murder weapon for whoever decides to take it off you.

Now--what exactly are you?

If you're a student (male or female) I would discard any rear-side carry option, for the simple fact that you're going to have a smallish to largish number of people sitting behind you, staring at your backside. Not because your backside is super-great to look at, but because lectures are boring as hell and people will generally entertain themselves by staring at their phones or scanning the room.

So--front-pocket carry, most likely, will be the most comfortable.

If you're a professor, IWB might work with a decent tuck. As nice as it would be to wear a jacket all the time, it's not really a comfortable option. Front-pocket might be a bit tough to pull off, but doable with the right holster. Again--where are people going to be looking?

If you're neither of the above, then pick whatever's most comfortable. I wouldn't be that concerned with not printing. People aren't that observant under normal circumstances.

And if you happen to be carrying because you're lawfully allowed to and you feel like making a personal statement--go nuts on the deep stuff.

Point is, more information would be useful.

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Well, the two most obvious question nobody's asked: why are you carrying, and what are you?

If you're concerned about general criminality, a Ruger LCP or other teensy .380, or a S&W J-frame fits the bill.

If you're worried about "civil unrest" on campus (once laughable, but now a consideration I'd take very seriously), then I'd consider something in at least 9mm, with a bit more capacity.

If you're concerned about something more serious than a little ol' riot, I'd keep the same cartridge, but downsize the capacity, on the basis that the number of threats will be as serious but less-numerous than the prior scenario.

Same deal with method of carry. I would discard truly deep concealment options, strictly on the basis that they're not particularly useful for the most common threat (criminality) that you're likely to face. If you can't get it out in a timely fashion, then the gun is just a liability, in that you're carrying around a very convenient murder weapon for whoever decides to take it off you.

Now--what exactly are you?

If you're a student (male or female) I would discard any rear-side carry option, for the simple fact that you're going to have a smallish to largish number of people sitting behind you, staring at your backside. Not because your backside is super-great to look at, but because lectures are boring as hell and people will generally entertain themselves by staring at their phones or scanning the room.

So--front-pocket carry, most likely, will be the most comfortable.

If you're a professor, IWB might work with a decent tuck. As nice as it would be to wear a jacket all the time, it's not really a comfortable option. Front-pocket might be a bit tough to pull off, but doable with the right holster. Again--where are people going to be looking?

If you're neither of the above, then pick whatever's most comfortable. I wouldn't be that concerned with not printing. People aren't that observant under normal circumstances.

And if you happen to be carrying because you're lawfully allowed to and you feel like making a personal statement--go nuts on the deep stuff.

Point is, more information would be useful.
I'm a graduate student, which is probably the most varied role to have. Some days I'll be in class, some days I'll be in front of +/–30 students in a lab setting (so short distances), some days I'll be doing research, some days I'll be presenting research updates to my boss and lab mates, and many days will turn into late nights and potential long walks across campus to where I managed to park my car.

The late night walks are primarily why I would carry. Being able to make a difference in protecting my students or research mates is also important.
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Give some thought to the situations you have described, and think about which method is best for which situation. A single solution rarely solves all the related problems.
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I carry an M&P9c in an IWB Alien Gear Cloak Tuck 3.0. I wear shorts or jeans and t-shirts. I print ever so slightly, but I really don't think anybody else notices. I know people who wear a button down shirt over a t-shirt and their carry gun is completely concealed.

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Always carry, never tell. Oh, and printing is telling.

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First what are you going to carry ?? the smaller the pistol the easier it will be to conceal ..

A sub compact (least some) are able to be pocket carried .. where a full size Sig you probably couldn't get in a pocket ..

I carry at 4-5 either IWB or OWB with a simple t-shirt as a cover garment .. as long as its at least 2 to 3 inches longer then the end of your barrel you should be good to go ..

Canting the pistol will hide the grip next to your body .. I carry anything from my Sub Compact Beretta to my S&W Compact or my Sig P229 Legion and all are easily concealed if worn with the proper clothing .. worn in the right place .. with a quality holster !!

A holster worn OWB/IWB at 3 should be worn straight up no cant .. most appendix holsters don't have a cant either ..
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I imagine that we have all successfully concealed handguns in a variety of ways. I'll chime in with some parallel concepts.

1. Small guns = maximum concealment. I carried a Beretta 950 BS for 20 years and nobody ever saw it. You can do that with any little gun of that type, Ruger LCP, Seecamp, old style Baby Brownings and their modern replicas, etc. The easiest way to carry one is in a pocket holster and I always put a little leather pad in front of it to flatten the entire image. VOILA! It's a wallet if anyone notices it at all. Back pocket, front pocket, any kind of pants except really tight pants (my choice is front pocket - easy access and doesn't annoy your backside while seated).

You can do the very same thing with a J-frame - I have often carried a M642 in my front pants pocket - leather pocket holster, flat leather pad in front - it even looks like a wallet to me!

2. Everything else is second best for maximum concealment but I assure you that I have carried larger handguns, compact pistols (even high capacity) and snubbie revolvers, in IWB and OWB holsters under loose shirts or, mostly, under vests - nobody sees the guns because nobody is looking for them and when my friends look they still don't see them. But you will always run the risk of exposure in wind or something - that can simply never happen when the gun is in your pocket.
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When I need maximum deep concealment it's my LCP in a pocket holster in my L/F pocket (I'm a leftie). Otherwise my EDC is a 340PD, also pocket carried the same way.

I am similar - even down to the LH - I use a LCP, Kahr CM-9 or a 642 in a pocket holster in my front pocket.
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Most of the time I pocket carry using the DeSantis Nemesis holster. It's undetectable and is constructed so the gun slides out while the holster stays put. When I'm going to spend a fair amount of time seated (such as a long drive), I carry in a 5.11 holster shirt. It holds the gun tightly under the arm and there are holster pockets on each side. I wear it with a loose-fitting shirt with snaps instead of buttons, for quicker access. Unless someone gropes your armpit, it is impossible for anyone to know you are carrying.
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I'm a graduate student, which is probably the most varied role to have. Some days I'll be in class, some days I'll be in front of +/–30 students in a lab setting (so short distances), some days I'll be doing research, some days I'll be presenting research updates to my boss and lab mates, and many days will turn into late nights and potential long walks across campus to where I managed to park my car.

The late night walks are primarily why I would carry. Being able to make a difference in protecting my students or research mates is also important.
I would lean on pocket carry if I were you. It should be comfortable all day, and should accommodate a number of different pistols and revolvers that would do the job. And it's particularly well-suited for after-dark walks--you can have your hand on the gun well before a potential threat becomes an overt one.

Can it print? Sure, but a decent pocket holster conceals the shape of the gun. Check out Lobo Gun Leather. I've also heard nice things said about Mika Holsters. A revolver's rounded butt is a little more print-friendly as well.
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KelTec .380, or .32 in black hawk pocket. If you can pull off cargo pants an LC9 in blackhawk pocket as well
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my kids will be taking on their secondary education in a few years , so I appreciate your concerns.
first on the list of requirements is a razor sharp situational awareness practice

for carry protection:
442/642 w pocket holster
speed loading strip in the other front pocket

personally, I cant make the pocket carry work for me.
I like my Shield 9 @ 4:00
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442 or G42 AIWB as BUG
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I'm a graduate student, which is probably the most varied role to have. Some days I'll be in class, some days I'll be in front of +/–30 students in a lab setting (so short distances), some days I'll be doing research, some days I'll be presenting research updates to my boss and lab mates, and many days will turn into late nights and potential long walks across campus to where I managed to park my car.

The late night walks are primarily why I would carry. Being able to make a difference in protecting my students or research mates is also important.
Pocket carry sounds like the best option here, probably with a single-stack .380 or 9 mm. Depending on your circumstances, putting your carry pistol in an outside jacket pocket for those night walks across campus sounds like a good idea.
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I may have missed it, but first be sure a handgun is allowed on campus. If not, should you ever have the need to use it in a self defense situation, you will be arrested, but as many have said before, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
If guns are banned, you may want to look into other defensive methods, a knife, pepper spray or something legal but effective.
Looking at most mass shootings however, they take place where the purps think the victims are not going to shoot back. No gun zones are for that reason, why the good guys should have a gun.
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When I need "maximum concealment" I use either a 10X belly band with a Shield 9, or a Keltec 32 in a pocket holster. Both have limitations: one for difficulty in deployment and the other for caliber. Therefore, I look for clothing options that allow better choices and seldom use the two mentioned.
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I think that generally speaking only police officers and bad guys are observant enough to spot most modes of concealed carry. I've carried a holstered J-frame or the equivalent in my right front pocket for around nineteen years. Nobody, not even a cop, has ever said a word.

People have other things on their minds, and on their phones, nearly all the time. But there are plenty of little handguns with enough punch to save one's bacon and small enough to disappear in a pocket.
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I use a Dillon Day Planner holster with an Air Weight J frame revolver in it. I have had a retired police man pick it up , in his gun shop, and he didn't realize it contained a gun. The weight fooled him. He told me "I picked it up thinking you would have a gun in it but the light weight fooled me, I thought it was just a day planner, this is a pretty neat rig!"
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It is a matter of personal choice of firearms, and how one wants to dress to conceal them. You will get a lot of opinions, and it boils down to you finding what works for you.

I normally carry a NAA mini revolver in my pocket all my waking hours. It is the ultimate max concealment gun. But it is not for everybody, it is slow to reload, has only five shots of 22lr.

OTH as a LEO for a University I carried a model 39 in a pancake holster under a blazer/sport coat to mingle with the students. But then some students back then wore casual sport coats. Today it might stand out like a sore thumb like wearing tactical vests do, or 5.11 pants.
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5-11 Shirts............I use em often.

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Unless you're into skinny jeans, I'd go with a 442 or 642 in a pocket holster. My 442 in a Mika holster is always there.

This.

I have carried my 642 in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster for years on campus ( I am a retired high school teacher). No one ever had any idea. I used boot grips and an untucked shirt always.

As Jeff Cooper said years ago, you can conceal a j-frame in any attire short of a nudist colony.
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I have carried my 642 in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster for years on campus ( I am a retired high school teacher). No one ever had any idea. I used boot grips and an untucked shirt always.

As Jeff Cooper said years ago, you can conceal a j-frame in any attire short of a nudist colony.
Actually even in a nudist colony. Years ago a visitor to county jail had a 25 hidden in her who haw. Not sure how they found she had it. I imagine she could have hid a J frame not much bigger.
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Actually even in a nudist colony. Years ago a visitor to county jail had a 25 hidden in her who haw. Not sure how they found she had it. I imagine she could have hid a J frame not much bigger.

All I can say is........ ewwwww!
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Going by the address in the profile of a certain poster, carry on campus would be explicitly permitted by state law, but could cause negative employment or evaluation consequences from the administration .

I'll explicitly emphasize what others have tip toed around - Clothing is more important than the gun per se . Dress around the gun. Seriously . Pants expose ankle holster too much ? Wear boot cuts or old school bell bottoms, dragging the ground . Being armed is presumably more important than the cover of GQ.

Likewise baggier pants, and looser shirts, both of which made using fabric with some body.

The parameters are necessarily dressing exactly the same as you do now, the requirement is to dress in a manner that is reasonably plausible for your environment .

Not wanting to evoke an unintentional harsh tone, some general suguestions :

* As small as possible * isn't automatically the best choice . You should seek " Reasonably Small ", combined with a degree of accesability, ability to actually shot it with a modicum of speed and accuracy, and a modicum of effectiveness (power) . Admittedly the OP falls closers to the smaller parameter than most, but still a balance is needed .

The elastic undershirts with gun pockets are surprisingly concealable , but a bit of a one trick pony . But keep them in mind for selecting a gun the next step up in size, for occasional needs for extra concealment on specific day.

Pocket carry is more flexible for general use for variety of clothes and situations . ( Doesn't work well for me, with gorilla sized hands that barely fit into front pockets without guns. But is popular with 'normal" proportioned people.)

Todays subcompact .380acp semiautos offer sorta close to sufficient power in a size envelope of traditional .25 autos ( a positive step). With the ability to shoot effectively and capacity of traditional .25autos ( not a compliment ) . Consider these your minium baseline . LCP is a good example, but there are other quality choices.

Next step up is a subcompact 9mm or an Airweight .38 snub . Better capability to shoot effectively, Reasonably Adaquate power level . Bigger to carry, but generally doable with a little care about clothing . I carried a J frame or two as BUGs for several years with no problem . Refer back to my foreshadowing above in this post . Consider 9mm or .38 most of the time in pocket holster , but use holster tee shirt or belly band for special occasions.
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I carry mu Eemington 380, a pocket pistol, in a holster in my back pocket except when wearing outerwear when I carry in the the pocket of that garment. It works.
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