cz RAMI, decocker vs safety

[beagleye]

I am close to making a move on a cz RAMI. I don't have enough experience with semis to have an informed opinion about which option is better for my purpose, being concealed carry and plinking/practice. Not competition.

Please advise.

Thanks, Pete

[kbm6893]

Originally Posted by beagleye

I am close to making a move on a cz RAMI. I don't have enough experience with semis to have an informed opinion about which option is better for my purpose, being concealed carry and plinking/practice. Not competition.

Please advise.

Thanks, Pete

I like a safety AND a decocker, but since they don’t offer both I would choose decocker. Lowering a hammer on a live round by thumbing the hammer and squeezing the trigger is not something I would do anywhere but outside the range. I know there is a system in place to prevent that but I still would feel nervous manually lowering a hammer.

It depends on what you want. A safety to render the weapon inoperable it the safety is on, or being able to decock without manually lowering the hammer

[bigwheelzip]

For concealed carry, I've come to like best a no safety, decocker, with a short reset trigger pistol best, after carrying every other type of action first. I'm not saying it's ideal for everyone, but it suits me best (I EDC a CZ PCR).

The things I prefer is that I just point and shoot, without needing the intermediate action of disengaging a safety, or having the safety present at all to possibly interfere with firing.

I'm more at ease with the long and heavy first pull lessening the chance of an accidental discharge, as I holster out of view IWB at 4 o'clock.

The short reset and lighter trigger helps me with followup shots and eliminates short stroking for me, that I experience with long resets on DA guns.

A counterman at my gun range, who introduced me to his PCR, carries the Rami and loves it.

[fdw]

I'd go with a de-cocker, I have one on my CZ. The 7lb pull provides enough safety for me for the first shot.

[TTSH]

Originally Posted by kbm6893

It depends on what you want. A safety to render the weapon inoperable it the safety is on, or being able to decock without manually lowering the hammer

Exactly. I have the safety version just because that was all I could get my hands on at the time I was hot for one... but the decocker version is considered by most concealed carriers to be the better choice between the two. If I ever have the option to trade up, I plan to do so.

[ContinentalOp]

I'm with bigwheelzip. For self defense/carry use, I'd prefer the decocker version.

To me, the only reason to get the safety version is because you want to carry cocked-and-locked, like a 1911 or Hi-Power (full mag, round in chamber, hammer cocked, safety engaged). I've owned 1911s and I can't recall ever failing to disengage the safety, but I've never had to do it with the stress of someone trying to kill me. Lots of people have successfully defended themselves with a cocked-and-locked gun so it is a viable option if that's what you prefer and are willing and able to train with it that way.

I prefer to be able to simply draw and pull the trigger if I need to shoot under stress. I also like the heavier, longer DA trigger for a bigger margin-for-error in terms of safe handling, at least for the first shot. Being a revolver guy, it works for me.

If possible, try both. But, in my opinion, for self defense/carry use, I think you'll be better served with the decocker version.

[beagleye]

Great answers. This is the best gun forum.

[Arik]

Decocker for me.

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[Pisgah]

Whichever you choose, learn to use it properly. Either will work perfectly fine.

[Rpg]

Depends on training and skill level.

You can carry either with the hammer down for a long, hard pull for the first shot with follow up shots a nice, crisp, short pull.

Of course, you have to shift grip a bit between first and subsequent shots.

Few shooters have the skill to get first and subsequent shots in the same place when starting hammer down, especially when shooting quickly.

I’m a big fan of cocked and locked carry: quicker, more accurate and quite safe. We don’t lower the hammer on a loaded round: we apply the safety.

In many ways, the hammer dropping safety is a feature designed for those with modest gun handling skills.

For me, the attraction of CZ’s is that they can be carried cocked and locked.

[ContinentalOp]

Originally Posted by Rpg

Of course, you have to shift grip a bit between first and subsequent shots.

No, you don't. I've shot DA/SA guns, Sigs and Berettas, and have never had to shift my grip. I never had to change trigger finger placement, either.

[iPac]

I like the safety/decocker guns. My PX4 Storm compact is like that. I can remove the safety aspect so it is just a decocker if I wanted, but I don't see a reason to do so. The safety function doesn't affect shooting.

[Whitwabit]

Two of my carry weapons are models with a decocker .. Sig P229 Legion and Beretta PX4 - Type G: Single and double-action. Decocker. No manual safety.. so I like the models with out a safety but with the SA/DA trigger ..

My bug is Sig P238 in 38 ACP carried cocked and locked .. looks similar to a baby 1911 ..

[ldryder]

I don't like "cocked and locked" so I opted for the decocker model. Here's a discussion from the czfirearms.us forum.

Preferred For CC

[Tanners Owner]

I prefer decockers for my carry semi autos. Similar to a revolver, the DA first trigger pull makes it simple to operate safely.

All that said, agree w/ other posters who mentioned getting training with whatever gun you get. Regardless of gun, good training and practice will help tremendously with your ability and confidence with the gun.

[Tanners Owner]

Originally Posted by SWWheelGun

I like the RAMI but do not have one. I wanted a stainless CZ 75 and the only one I found was a safety model. Personally I am fine with the lack of the decocker. My advice would be: if you are used to and/or prefer 1911 action a safety model would be best, if not, you may be better served by a decocker model.

Nice looking CZ. I have a few, and don’t believe they import a stainless decocker model- if they did, I’d be all over it.

[whataboutbob]

"decocker",Very happy with mine

[beagleye]

Y'all are great.

[Tanners Owner]

Beagleye- where are you located? If near me, will let you try my CZs to get a sense of the decocker

[beagleye]

Tanners Owner, your are a gentleman indeed. I think we may be at opposite ends. I am in NC. Thanks!

[beagleye]

Well, as the story goes, I stumbled into a RAMI at my all time favorite pawn shop! It was the B, non decocker, but I would have bought it either way. Long odds to run into one locally so I jumped! Great price, LNIB. I will need to apply and wait for a license, probably have it at home next week sometime.

This is my first modern handgun. Hand ejectors and 1911s have been my mainstay. My son pointed out to me recently that I was missing some of the coolest guns, and nudged my ego with some crack about "practicality". I was forced to agree. I collect BRNO rifles so I was immediately interested in the CZ. I hope it will prove to be trusty. Handling it at the shop, it gave the impression of a very well crafted and surprisingly dense package. The controls were very sturdy and the action was very smooth and well fitted with hardly any detectable play in the slide on the frame. I hope to god that neither I nor anyone in my family will ever need it. But it seems a very prudent thing meanwhile to own, practice with and maintain the best tools available to preserve our families in terrible times or circumstances. I hope the CZ will fulfill this need.

[bigwheelzip]

Once you get it out to the range, stop back with your impressions. We don't hear much from owners of the sub-compact CZ. Good luck.

[les.b]

Originally Posted by Rpg

I’m a big fan of cocked and locked carry: quicker, more accurate and quite safe. We don’t lower the hammer on a loaded round: we apply the safety.

For me, the attraction of CZ’s is that they can be carried cocked and locked.

IIRC...that was exactly why Col. Cooper liked the CZ 75 when it first came out. And he was not big on 9mms either.

Best Regards, Les

[REM 3200]

I'm a 1911 fan, have been since I shot one in 1946. Just fell in love with it.

Fast forward to 2015 - I decided I wanted to try a sub-compact 9mm pistol.
Looked at and shot a lot of them and settled on the CZ 2075 RAMI with safety.
500 rounds later it became my EDC gun. It's going on 3500 rounds now without a bobble in function.
But, because the safety is not as wide as the 1911 and it takes considerably less thumb pressure
to move it in either direction I normally carry with it with the safety off and the hammer down.

If it ends up cocked for some reason I will carry it on safe until I can get home
where I have a sand filled clearing barrel that I can use while lowering the hammer.

The holster is by Lobo Gun Leathers and gets an A+ from me.

[Cellar Hound]

I have the rami with the decocker. Very well made and very accurate for a small gun. It’s one of my favorites.